Apologies for bringing this thread back to life after so long, but this appears to be the thread with the most relevant and current information on this topic gathered together.If SpaceX were to want to build a 10-meter or 12-meter stage and 13-meter or 15-meter max width spaceship at Hawthorne, could it be transported to Long Beach in a cost-effective manner?Let's assume motivated California development officials, but no big infrastructure additions, like bridges over freeways, etc. Likewise, let's also assume no airships.For instance, could SpaceX use cranes to get these pieces over the two or three bridges/overpasses? Admittedly, this doesn't seem elegant, cheap, or non-annoying to the good residents of LA County to do this a couple of times a year, but I wonder how expensive it actually would be.
Quote from: RedLineTrain on 06/12/2017 03:25 pmApologies for bringing this thread back to life after so long, but this appears to be the thread with the most relevant and current information on this topic gathered together.If SpaceX were to want to build a 10-meter or 12-meter stage and 13-meter or 15-meter max width spaceship at Hawthorne, could it be transported to Long Beach in a cost-effective manner?Let's assume motivated California development officials, but no big infrastructure additions, like bridges over freeways, etc. Likewise, let's also assume no airships.For instance, could SpaceX use cranes to get these pieces over the two or three bridges/overpasses? Admittedly, this doesn't seem elegant, cheap, or non-annoying to the good residents of LA County to do this a couple of times a year, but I wonder how expensive it actually would be.basically, it is impossible.
Quote from: Jim on 06/12/2017 03:49 pmQuote from: RedLineTrain on 06/12/2017 03:25 pmApologies for bringing this thread back to life after so long, but this appears to be the thread with the most relevant and current information on this topic gathered together.If SpaceX were to want to build a 10-meter or 12-meter stage and 13-meter or 15-meter max width spaceship at Hawthorne, could it be transported to Long Beach in a cost-effective manner?Let's assume motivated California development officials, but no big infrastructure additions, like bridges over freeways, etc. Likewise, let's also assume no airships.For instance, could SpaceX use cranes to get these pieces over the two or three bridges/overpasses? Admittedly, this doesn't seem elegant, cheap, or non-annoying to the good residents of LA County to do this a couple of times a year, but I wonder how expensive it actually would be.basically, it is impossible. Thank you, Jim.
maybe go to Marina Del Rey and barge to Long Beach.
Quote from: SpacexULA on 08/01/2011 12:14 amQuote from: Lee Jay on 08/01/2011 12:03 amYeah, but where would you take it off from? The runway at the facility is nowhere near long enough. So you'd have to transport over-land anyway.That's the reason I was sugjesting the A300-600ST Beluga it can use standard runways, and the stages of a rocket sans engines are not that much heavier than aircraft frames.It still needs up to 3,000 feet of runway they don't have.
Quote from: Lee Jay on 08/01/2011 12:03 amYeah, but where would you take it off from? The runway at the facility is nowhere near long enough. So you'd have to transport over-land anyway.That's the reason I was sugjesting the A300-600ST Beluga it can use standard runways, and the stages of a rocket sans engines are not that much heavier than aircraft frames.
Yeah, but where would you take it off from? The runway at the facility is nowhere near long enough. So you'd have to transport over-land anyway.
After looking at pictures of Endeavor and the External Tank moving through the streets of Los Angeles from Marina del Rey, I'm absolutely convinced that moving a BFR stage and the spaceship from Hawthorne to port would be perfectly doable... if you are willing to shut down LA for three days. http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-101612f.html
Following up on Jim's suggestion, the move to Marina del Rey would be retracing many of the steps of the Shuttle External Tank move detailed here.http://www.latimes.com/visuals/graphics/la-g-space-shuttles-external-tank-comes-to-la-20160226-htmlstory.htmlThe External Tank is 8.4 meters diameter by 47 meters long.
Quote from: Lee Jay on 08/01/2011 12:37 amQuote from: SpacexULA on 08/01/2011 12:14 amQuote from: Lee Jay on 08/01/2011 12:03 amYeah, but where would you take it off from? The runway at the facility is nowhere near long enough. So you'd have to transport over-land anyway.That's the reason I was sugjesting the A300-600ST Beluga it can use standard runways, and the stages of a rocket sans engines are not that much heavier than aircraft frames.It still needs up to 3,000 feet of runway they don't have.The Beluga needs 1386 m for takeoff per http://www.aertecsolutions.com/download/infographics/Infographic-AirbusBeluga-ENG.pdfHawthorne Muni has 1511 m of runway per https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1706/05120AD.PDF
Quote from: envy887 on 06/12/2017 04:37 pmQuote from: Lee Jay on 08/01/2011 12:37 amQuote from: SpacexULA on 08/01/2011 12:14 amQuote from: Lee Jay on 08/01/2011 12:03 amYeah, but where would you take it off from? The runway at the facility is nowhere near long enough. So you'd have to transport over-land anyway.That's the reason I was sugjesting the A300-600ST Beluga it can use standard runways, and the stages of a rocket sans engines are not that much heavier than aircraft frames.It still needs up to 3,000 feet of runway they don't have.The Beluga needs 1386 m for takeoff per http://www.aertecsolutions.com/download/infographics/Infographic-AirbusBeluga-ENG.pdfHawthorne Muni has 1511 m of runway per https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1706/05120AD.PDFI wonder what this thingy's take off distance would be while carrying a big cylindrical thing. - Ed Kyle
Is there a way to take it down the 105 and use the LA River basin to get it to Long Beach? What are the bridge clearances along that stretch?
I guess I'm missing something here (Is this OT??) I thought the plan was to build and launch from south Texas, or is this thread an exercise in speculation? I know it has just been 'reactivated', but thought they were headed this way (to south Texas) back in 2011.
Quote from: HankinNM on 06/12/2017 09:55 pm I guess I'm missing something here (Is this OT??) I thought the plan was to build and launch from south Texas, or is this thread an exercise in speculation? I know it has just been 'reactivated', but thought they were headed this way (to south Texas) back in 2011.This thread is an exercise in speculation, but SpaceX has never specified where they are going to build the bigger stages. It's not really out of the question for initial production to happen in LA.
so...how easy would it be to pack up and move to florida? jb