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Has anyone else got paranoid about You Tube that when it suggests an astronomy or space flight video to you, and it’s from some channel you’ve never heard of before, that it’s going to be some AI generated slop these days? I just don’t trust You Tube’s algorithms.

From the other side Fraser Cain talks about how as a space journalist creator he is increasingly encouraged to produce AI slop by You Tube, and how frustrating it is.

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I would like to note that numerous Space News channels are emerging, which almost certainly utilize AI-generated scripts derived from prompting to generate them from current events and employ AI voice interpreters to produce these videos.

My greater concern is that YouTube itself might begin creating these content types—and potentially others beyond space— as a means to generate advertising revenue independently, rather than relying on content creators to do so.
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Indeed very worrisome.

On top of that I read an article by a Danish psychologist who had interacted with AI engines while pretending to  suffer from various psychological illnesses. He said that the conversations with AI would surely exacerbate illnesses people might suffer from, because the AI constantly encouraged him and egged him on, even when he displayed severely sociopathic behaviour.

We're right now repeating all the errors we made fixteen years ago with social media. But repeating those errors with a much more potent technology. It will have huge societal impact.

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It isn't just spaceflight content on Youtube.  It's happening on every platform on just about every topic.  It's making all these platforms untrustworthy even if you think you know who the content provider is.

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It isn't just spaceflight content on Youtube.  It's happening on every platform on just about every topic.  It's making all these platforms untrustworthy even if you think you know who the content provider is.

And that goes both ways. I’ve seen disgusting comments on channels saying that voices on videos are AI-generated, forcing the content creators to come out and defend themselves. Just because you're reading a script that you created yourself doesn’t mean that the use of "no voice" editing to speed up the video makes your voice appear to be AI-generated or interpreted.  I think making a small box at one corner with you speaking will help, but many don't due to gender, handicap, or other biases.
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It isn't just spaceflight content on Youtube.  It's happening on every platform on just about every topic.  It's making all these platforms untrustworthy even if you think you know who the content provider is.

And that goes both ways. I’ve seen disgusting comments on channels saying that voices on videos are AI-generated, forcing the content creators to come out and defend themselves. Just because you're reading a script that you created yourself doesn’t mean that the use of "no voice" editing to speed up the video makes your voice appear to be AI-generated or interpreted.  I think making a small box at one corner with you speaking will help, but many don't due to gender, handicap, or other biases.
I’ve seen that more than once. It’s not a channel I follow or science related but most recently the guy running it had been accused of being an AI. Purely it seems because he sounds a lot like the American gentleman who used to do a lot of trailer voiceovers for films. It was completely ridiculous.

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Indeed very worrisome.

On top of that I read an article by a Danish psychologist who had interacted with AI engines while pretending to  suffer from various psychological illnesses. He said that the conversations with AI would surely exacerbate illnesses people might suffer from, because the AI constantly encouraged him and egged him on, even when he displayed severely sociopathic behaviour.

We're right now repeating all the errors we made fixteen years ago with social media. But repeating those errors with a much more potent technology. It will have huge societal impact.

A recent example of this:

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There is a lot of fake content created to generate ad revenue.  A prime example, not to get into politics, is a song that has gone viral on Youtube that is supposed to be by Adele about Charlie Kirk.  Lots of people think it is real.  It is not.  It is AI generated.  AI has reached the point where it is getting much harder to tell the difference.



There are versions supposedly sung by Ed Sheeran, Celine Dion and even Eminem.

There is very little cost or effort required to generate false content that goes viral and makes significant ad revenue for those who do it.  I'm scared to think of how much phony crap will be published online with AI generated video that looks and sounds real for the next elections because it is so cheap and easy to do.

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I’ve also noticed astronomy and space flight channels that rip off legitimate channels created content. Effectively repackaging it probably using AI tools.

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The CEO of a company that’s pumping out thousands of lazily AI-generated podcasts thinks everybody is complaining too much about having AI slop shoved down their throats.

Inception Point AI CEO Jeanine Wright told the Hollywood Reporter that “people who are still referring to all AI-generated content as AI slop are probably lazy luddites.”

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Besides pumping out thousands of AI podcasts, Inception Point also aims to turn AI-generated personalities into influencers on social media, a tactic vaguely reminiscent of Meta’s ill-fated attempts to launch AI chatbots based on real-world celebrities and load its platforms with AI-powered characters.

For its podcasts, the Inception’s AI chooses topics based on Google data and social media trends, according to the Reporter. It then launches five different versions of each show to see if any of them stick. To double down on search engine optimization, some of the podcasts’ titles are extremely basic, such as “Whales,” a show about whales.

Wright defends those appalling practices, saying it’s all a numbers game.

“We might make a pollen podcast that maybe only 50 people listen to, but I’m already at unit profitability on that, and so then maybe I can make 500 pollen report podcasts,” she told the Reporter.

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My feed on You Tube today has been absolutely infested with AI slop astronomy videos mostly about a certain interstellar comet. It definitely feels like the issue is getting worse rapidly.

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 The animated Star Trek cartoon series is back now on MeTV Toons channel at 11pm Saturday night. I don't think they had AI
back then!  ;D

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Imagine what happens when AI can produce more than just text-audio-visual material.

Imagine when AI can produce design files for actual working machines.
In the humanoid robots thread we'd talked about how such robots can be a general-purpose jack-of-all-trades to perform a wide variety of tasks that were doable by humans. Such robots wouldn't be optimized for any one particular task (ie. jack-of-all-trades is master-of-none)
But what happens when AI allows us to easily whip up machines custom-designed for particular tasks. At that point it could be just as easy to create machines tailored for particular tasks, as compared to relying on general-purpose machines.
That's when we could have the machine version of spam. Instead of just text spam & audio-visual spam, we could have a spam-of-machines, or spam-of-things. We could be up to our eyeballs in custom-made one-offs created to do some particular thing, simply because it was effortless enough to make them that way.

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But what happens when AI allows us to easily whip up machines custom-designed for particular tasks. At that point it could be just as easy to create machines tailored for particular tasks, as compared to relying on general-purpose machines.
That's when we could have the machine version of spam. Instead of just text spam & audio-visual spam, we could have a spam-of-machines, or spam-of-things. We could be up to our eyeballs in custom-made one-offs created to do some particular thing, simply because it was effortless enough to make them that way.

Whilst not specifically 'custom builds', if you look around you'll see we have that already in the mass multitude of cheap, disposable tech manufactured by a certain large Asian country pre-loaded with in-built Planned Obsolescence and exported by the ship-load to the world.  Ask yourself: Exactly how many mobile phones have you had since the mobile phone was invented, not all that long ago??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

It doesn't get really scary until machines are optimising machines (eg. in production of the above)... but as I understand it, humans are still needed to set parameters for any AI system to work within otherwise, like the current audio-visual spam, given enough iterations it quickly defies all known laws of physics and is exposed for what it really is - unadulterated rubbish.
 
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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It is a bit harsh to Blame AI for the proliferation of junk. It will only produce this stuff if somebody orders it to, and more importantly, if somebody buys it. There are mountains of older phones out there that have been replaced by something "better", but for the sheer volume of waste produced, you can't beat the '60's, where some people literally  traded their cars in  every year for something with more power and larger tailfins. Junkyards were major landscape features.

AI videos are coming into a market where there are already so many videos, and so many people watching videos, that you can  do almost anything and get at least a few clicks. Unless audiences really prefer them, this style of content will fade out like any other fad. If the  movie industry is any guide, the main market will be taken over by the really expensive blockbusters. Which is boring.

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It is a bit harsh to Blame AI for the proliferation of junk.

Two recent examples.
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It is a bit harsh to Blame AI for the proliferation of junk.

Two recent examples.

Extraordinary!! :o  The truth is out there.. it's just hidden amongst the lies.
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
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A genuine artist addresses the issue of individuals claiming to be artists when they are not, but are merely skilled at prompting AI generators to produce art and subsequently asserting to be artists based on this. Furthermore, the author of this video discusses the process by which an AI generator produces images. This detailed and engaging video maintains viewers' interest by covering numerous pertinent topics. He indeed takes AI-generated images and refines them to produce legitimate artwork. Although it does not explicitly discuss SpaceFlight, the methods demonstrated in this video are applicable to all AI-generated artwork.

AI Art is Theft: a Response to Shadiversity

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This science channel decided to use AI tools to create a video on Brown Dwarfs, and then fact checked it with experts and the results are interesting to say the least. By the way they state that internet traffic has now reached 51% bots, and 49% humans. Let alone the fact that many scientific papers at the very least have been assisted by AI in their writing.

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You Tube AI Filter Is Making My Videos Dangerous To Watch:



What he means is the AI filter has added a flicker/glitch that some people with epilepsy maybe sensitive too.
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It’s Getting Harder To Know What’s Real

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Oct 30, 2025  Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains...

What is real on the internet? Neil deGrasse Tyson breaks down deepfakes, discusses the time a deepfake video tricked Terry Crews, and learns about how AI is used to deceive with the help of Bitdefender Chief Security Strategist, Alex Cosoi.

Timestamps:
00:00 - IT’S FLAT
00:32 - What is “Deep” About a Deepfake?
2:35 - Neil Getting Deepfaked
6:06 - The Stakes of Political Deepfakes
8:11 - Scams to Watch Out For
13:50 - Are We Losing Against Deepfakes?
16:00 - Knowing What’s Real

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Yeah, surfing various social media sites, I've seen this steady increase--the tech gets better, the disinformation gets easier.

There are weird side effects too, which is that people are increasingly skeptical of real images. I don't think that's unexpected, and in fact it is often part of the point for disinformation and propaganda (erode trust in legitimate sources, and reality). But I've seen it even in obvious situations where somebody posts a video/image that by any measure is legit, but some people still say "It's AI." If they had clicked a few different sources, they would have confirmed that it was legit.



Addendum: just the other day I saw another related example. Somebody had posted space art, and some comments were that it was AI generated. The poster then responded that he was a graphic artist and had created it using various CGI tools. He was polite about it, but I could sense that he was rather mad that he had spent a long time creating something that was dismissed so easily.
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Yeah, surfing various social media sites, I've seen this steady increase--the tech gets better, the disinformation gets easier.

There are weird side effects too, which is that people are increasingly skeptical of real images. I don't think that's unexpected, and in fact it is often part of the point for disinformation and propaganda (erode trust in legitimate sources, and reality). But I've seen it even in obvious situations where somebody posts a video/image that by any measure is legit, but some people still say "It's AI." If they had clicked a few different sources, they would have confirmed that it was legit.



Addendum: just the other day I saw another related example. Somebody had posted space art, and some comments were that it was AI generated. The poster then responded that he was a graphic artist and had created it using various CGI tools. He was polite about it, but I could sense that he was rather mad that he had spent a long time creating something that was dismissed so easily.
This is happening more and more. I’ve seen various examples of where merchandise is produced for a property, and because the artist in question has used a particular style in their art people think it’s AI generated. The artist then has to post online their working to show that no it wasn’t AI generated it’s just their style.

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Here's a good example. He just reposted this from 2023. He spends a lot of time producing incredible animations (not so much still images). And then somebody comes along and gives a prompt to an AI and produces junk.

I don't know what he does for a living, but he has great CGI skills.

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Here's a good example. He just reposted this from 2023. He spends a lot of time producing incredible animations (not so much still images). And then somebody comes along and gives a prompt to an AI and produces junk.

I don't know what he does for a living, but he has great CGI skills.

From my recent perusal around the fighting ring, the hostility between the long-term GCI fans and the recent rise of AI prompters and their "ART" is worse on social media than our SpaceX vs Blue Origin rivalry.
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I generally despise laziness (except, I guess, when I'm being lazy), and I've seen how AI is contributing to laziness. People go to AI and say "give me a spacecraft image" and plop it in their post about Voyager when they could just as easily go to a search engine and say "Voyager" and get the right photo. Here's an example.

I've recently seen this from a guy on Twitter who should absolutely know better. He regularly posts images of a specific topic (not space), and everything I've seen indicates he knows the subject well. And recently he has been re-posting AI images that in two seconds an expert can tell are wrong. Fortunately, his followers are calling him out on it and telling him that his credibility is suffering.

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I generally despise laziness (except, I guess, when I'm being lazy), and I've seen how AI is contributing to laziness. People go to AI and say "give me a spacecraft image" and plop it in their post about Voyager when they could just as easily go to a search engine and say "Voyager" and get the right photo. Here's an example.

I've recently seen this from a guy on Twitter who should absolutely know better. He regularly posts images of a specific topic (not space), and everything I've seen indicates he knows the subject well. And recently he has been re-posting AI images that in two seconds an expert can tell are wrong. Fortunately, his followers are calling him out on it and telling him that his credibility is suffering.

It has proliferated across all platforms and YouTube content, including "how this is made" videos, military news, space news, etc. It appears that even in the absence of AI within the video content itself, the curator's use of AI-generated 'YouTube Cards' is undermining confidence in their productions. I believe they regard these visuals as 'eye-catching," primarily employing them as a 'clickbait' tactic to attract viewers. However, this approach is having the opposite effect.
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I generally despise laziness (except, I guess, when I'm being lazy), and I've seen how AI is contributing to laziness. People go to AI and say "give me a spacecraft image" and plop it in their post about Voyager when they could just as easily go to a search engine and say "Voyager" and get the right photo. Here's an example.

I've recently seen this from a guy on Twitter who should absolutely know better. He regularly posts images of a specific topic (not space), and everything I've seen indicates he knows the subject well. And recently he has been re-posting AI images that in two seconds an expert can tell are wrong. Fortunately, his followers are calling him out on it and telling him that his credibility is suffering.

What is crazy, in my mind, is that the Voyager is iconic and how would anyone not recognize that it's the wrong one immediately? Maybe it's a generational thing...
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I generally despise laziness (except, I guess, when I'm being lazy), and I've seen how AI is contributing to laziness. People go to AI and say "give me a spacecraft image" and plop it in their post about Voyager when they could just as easily go to a search engine and say "Voyager" and get the right photo. Here's an example.

I've recently seen this from a guy on Twitter who should absolutely know better. He regularly posts images of a specific topic (not space), and everything I've seen indicates he knows the subject well. And recently he has been re-posting AI images that in two seconds an expert can tell are wrong. Fortunately, his followers are calling him out on it and telling him that his credibility is suffering.

What is crazy, in my mind, is that the Voyager is iconic and how would anyone not recognize that it's the wrong one immediately? Maybe it's a generational thing...
I suspect it is generational. It might be iconic to my generation, but I suspect to people born more recently it just isn’t. I can still remember the live coverage we used to get over here in the UK on the BBC children’s show Swap Shop, complete with actual scientists to explain stuff that was being beamed back as well as NASA press conferences being covered. Cannot think we’d get anything like that now. But those were different times.

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What is crazy, in my mind, is that the Voyager is iconic and how would anyone not recognize that it's the wrong one immediately? Maybe it's a generational thing...

Most people don't know spaceflight or space hardware. I don't know anything about that account, but it may have been generated by a content farm in Asia that simply spews out posts for the clicks to increase advertising revenue. The person involved might have produced dozens of them in an hour, didn't know anything at all about the subject, and may have had ChatGPT creating the text and maybe even the graphics. So no knowledge of the subject matter, and maybe 10 seconds devoted to creating it. Hence, you get junk. I hate that this happens, but that's the world we are in.

There are corollaries to this as well. This image uses the wrong USS Constellation--a scrapped aircraft carrier rather than the still not-built frigate (which is much smaller). However, I've seen people suggest that YouTube channels do this on purpose to get people to write in the comments telling them that they are wrong. This counts as "engagement" and makes them more money. So they're wrong on purpose. That's the world we are in.



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Monsters from the Id



All we have to do now is think it, and AI gives it form

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when humans were introduced to AI


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when humans were introduced to AI

Sadly, yes.

Well, of course it is a lot more complicated than that. AI has value and isn't just garbage. But I'm increasingly concerned about what it is doing that we are not even aware of. I just saw a post indicating that a lot of people (students, academics) are using AI to write papers and it is hallucinating sources such as nonexistent journals. Okay, we knew about that. But what is now happening is that the hallucinated nonexistent journals are now being cited so many times that they are showing up in databases of legitimate sources. The structure of reality is breaking down.

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when humans were introduced to AI

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OxLjvY5CrjQ

Like drugs, once you use it, it's hard to stay away from it.
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This can be any kind of history including spaceflight or astronomy.

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We used to worry that history was written by the victors. Today, we should be scared for a different reason. For if you want to see the future of our historical record, look no further than the dozens of YouTube and TikTok accounts – many with hundreds of thousands of subscribers and millions of views – which pump out AI-generated “documentaries”.

One popular account I came across does the seemingly impossible by churning out a two-hour “programme” every other day. For any human being or production team – actual historians who care about accuracy, nuance or truth – this pace is physically and intellectually impossible. For an AI, however, it’s just another hour or two (if that) in the office and that is a massive problem.

We are witnessing the industrial-scale pollution of our collective memory. The colourful and intricate tapestry of human history is being shredded and replaced by a cheap, often grossly inaccurate one. And the worst part is that many viewers believe what they see.

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May I offer a different perspective? Instead of all the "the sky is falling and rubbish is everywhere" posts, maybe, just maybe, it is just time to let go of YouTube et al? There was a time when the quality of content was important. No quality, no readers. Today, Google and Facebook care only about the money. As such, any content that make people click on serves them an advertisement and as such generates money for them. Not for the reader/user. Let it go people and find a better platform to discuss and express yourself :)

We have seen similar issues, on a smaller scale, in the early 90s, with the transition from Usenet to WWW/Html. Html pages and graphics were so sexy and new :) Usenet was already besieged by spam and rubbish. I remember the neo-hippies posting daily in sci.physics with "I had a dream about the structure of space time and all is clear to me". Really, that was worse that semi accurate AI generated content. Then we had examples like Geocities. Good concept and the whole thing went under with spam, lack of good content, and more sexy alternatives like Fakebook (excuse me "Facebook").

Today, similar stories, YouTube et all go under with the lack of "anything useful". As such, I'd love to see new content servers and sites with factual and accurate stories. NSF maybe? There is plenty of text and video to host on Chris' own site if he chose to do it. I have seen this transition with one or two other sites which I use frequently and it seems to work. There is a subset of readers and contributors who pay and make it work. On you own site, you can moderate.

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May I offer a different perspective? Instead of all the "the sky is falling and rubbish is everywhere" posts, maybe, just maybe, it is just time to let go of YouTube et al? There was a time when the quality of content was important. No quality, no readers. Today, Google and Facebook care only about the money. As such, any content that make people click on serves them an advertisement and as such generates money for them. Not for the reader/user. Let it go people and find a better platform to discuss and express yourself :)

We have seen similar issues, on a smaller scale, in the early 90s, with the transition from Usenet to WWW/Html. Html pages and graphics were so sexy and new :) Usenet was already besieged by spam and rubbish. I remember the neo-hippies posting daily in sci.physics with "I had a dream about the structure of space time and all is clear to me". Really, that was worse that semi accurate AI generated content. Then we had examples like Geocities. Good concept and the whole thing went under with spam, lack of good content, and more sexy alternatives like Fakebook (excuse me "Facebook").

Today, similar stories, YouTube et all go under with the lack of "anything useful". As such, I'd love to see new content servers and sites with factual and accurate stories. NSF maybe? There is plenty of text and video to host on Chris' own site if he chose to do it. I have seen this transition with one or two other sites which I use frequently and it seems to work. There is a subset of readers and contributors who pay and make it work. On you own site, you can moderate.

I'd like to think you're correct, but the big players have such a stranglehold on the whole internet that it's hard to see anything really changing.
Amazon runs a huge chunk of the internet via AWS.
Early social media (Friends Reunited, MySpace, Bebo) rose and fell in quick succession, but Facebook broke that cycle and nearly twenty years later remains dominant in that sector.
YouTube has never really had a serious competitor, and with the might of Google behind them it's hard to see that changing.
Any serious challengers simply get bought up by the big boys, and nothing really changes.

I hope I'm proven wrong though.
"I don't care what anything was DESIGNED to do, I care about what it CAN do"- Gene Kranz

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Is Slop Helping to Burst AI Bubble ?


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