I'm assuming that the Ariane-5 GS is a variant like the Ariane-5 ECA. Could someone point me to a link showing the differences between the variants? Thanks in advance.
The Ariane 5 GS is the latest evolution of the Ariane-5 Generic launcher, produced after the end of the Ariane 5 G+ series. This version integrates more recent elements produced in the frame of the Ariane 5 ECA and Ariane 5 ES ATV developments. It incorporates: EAP boosters with more propellant in the S1 segments a composite VEB with the electrical equipments identical to those produced for the Ariane 5 ECA version an EPS stage loaded with 300 kg more propellant The central core stage (EPC) uses the Vulcain 1B engine which delivers a thrust level of 110 tonnes.
Huh. I could have sworn no further Vulcain 1 engines existed but it seems you are right:http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Launchers_Access_to_Space/SEMGPDVLWFE_0.htmlThe Ariane 5 GS is the latest evolution of the Ariane-5 Generic launcher, produced after the end of the Ariane 5 G+ series. This version integrates more recent elements produced in the frame of the Ariane 5 ECA and Ariane 5 ES ATV developments. It incorporates: EAP boosters with more propellant in the S1 segments a composite VEB with the electrical equipments identical to those produced for the Ariane 5 ECA version an EPS stage loaded with 300 kg more propellant The central core stage (EPC) uses the Vulcain 1B engine which delivers a thrust level of 110 tonnes.
Isn't the Vulcain 2 EPC more powerful than the 5G/5G+ EPC? Or is it more massive because of the ECA upper stage. I am confused.EDIT: O.k I got it: It is a heavier EPC (for Vulcian 2/ECA) with the old Vulcain 1.Analyst
Whether it coincides with the original in French?"...sur l'orbite visée."
Quote from: V.V. on 12/08/2009 11:15 pmWhether it coincides with the original in French?"...sur l'orbite visée."It needs the equivalent of a Centaur upper stage to raise it's orbit. That must be the missing mass.
Really? Ariane 5 launching from the equator can't put a 4200 kg mass into a final orbit of 680 km circular? I'm not buying it.
Whether it coincides with the original in French?"La performance demandée au lanceur Ariane GS pour ce vol est de 5 954 kg dont 4 200 kg représentent la masse du satellite HELIOS 2B ŕ séparer sur l'orbite visée."
Has this launch been postponed?http://www.videocorner.tv/index.htm
During final count-down operations for Flight 193 slated for today, an anomaly occurred in a launcher subsystem.As a result, Arianespace has decided to replace this part, and thus to postpone the launch for a few days.The launch vehicle and its HELIOS 2B satellite payload have been placed in stand-by mode and maintained in fully safe conditions.
The Ariane 5GS is dramatically overpowered for the launch of Helios. In order to dissipate excess power, it will embark on a de-optimized trajectory and it uses the ASAP platform and MFD ring(s) as additional ballast.
Just a thought, if this is a recon/intel bird, shouldn't it be launched into a polar orbit? Do they do that direct from CSG or do they do a plane change burn after reaching an initial equatorial orbit? It might explain the over-powered LV.
The launch kit is available :http://www.arianespace.com/news-launch-kits/launch-kit.asp
The destination orbit is sun-synchronous polar. The launcher first climbs vertically for 10 seconds, then rotates towards the North. I think the trajectory graphic shows it crossing the Gulf of Saint Lawrence before making landfall over Quebec.
Quote from: sdsds on 12/09/2009 10:44 pmThe destination orbit is sun-synchronous polar. The launcher first climbs vertically for 10 seconds, then rotates towards the North. I think the trajectory graphic shows it crossing the Gulf of Saint Lawrence before making landfall over Quebec.landfall over Quebec??? ummm, I don't think that sounds quite right.
Actually "rotates towards the north" didn't sound right either. Isn't the English language fun?
Quote from: robertross on 12/09/2009 10:49 pmQuote from: sdsds on 12/09/2009 10:44 pmThe destination orbit is sun-synchronous polar. The launcher first climbs vertically for 10 seconds, then rotates towards the North. I think the trajectory graphic shows it crossing the Gulf of Saint Lawrence before making landfall over Quebec.landfall over Quebec??? ummm, I don't think that sounds quite right.Sorry, all those big land masses up there look kind of the same to me.
Or was "makes landfall" the trouble?
Should I have said, "goes feet dry"? Or "where the projection of the vehicle's trajectory onto the Earth's surface first crosses from a body of water to a land mass?"
The official Arianespace webcast is to begin in ~46 minutes.
Quote from: Ben the Space Brit on 12/17/2009 02:19 pmThe official Arianespace webcast is to begin in ~46 minutes.Wasn't it supposed to start a couple of months ago? (see date in upper right)
Nice bit of security at the launch site.
Order backlog of 40 satellites at Arianespace!
Gee, where's all the clamoring for information about the problem? Other folks get criticized for not leaving data on the screen during a coast, and Ariane gets a pass for pulling the plug in less than 5 minutes of a scrub, with no information whatsoever.
They mentioned (while the promotional video about Soyuz was playing in the background) that the red condition was due to the "Ensemble de lancement", that is, the launch pad systems. They seem to have a real problem with that pad, as most of the cutoffs have been caused by it in the last few launches.
Quote from: eeergo on 12/17/2009 04:42 pmThey mentioned (while the promotional video about Soyuz was playing in the background) that the red condition was due to the "Ensemble de lancement", that is, the launch pad systems. They seem to have a real problem with that pad, as most of the cutoffs have been caused by it in the last few launches.Or it's simply some phrase under which they sum up a lot of different issues.
Arianespace put their CE on the podium within two minutes of the scrub. Just don't speak much French, which is why we don't know what the problem is.They are *easily* the best at webcasting launches.Who criticized the coverage of the launch you're speaking about?
Quote from: pippin on 12/17/2009 05:05 pmQuote from: eeergo on 12/17/2009 04:42 pmThey mentioned (while the promotional video about Soyuz was playing in the background) that the red condition was due to the "Ensemble de lancement", that is, the launch pad systems. They seem to have a real problem with that pad, as most of the cutoffs have been caused by it in the last few launches.Or it's simply some phrase under which they sum up a lot of different issues."Ensemble de Lancement" is one of the entries on the status display that they show on the left-hand side of the screen during countdowns. It often goes red to indicate problems with things like the fuel and oxidiser supply equipment and other pad services.
WRT previous discussions, I had to go back and look; it was only a complaint about the lack of jazz music during the coast. ;-) But I still think this group would have been much more critical (and speculative) if it had been an NRO payload on top of an Atlas or Delta.
http://www.arianespace.com/images/launch-kits/launch-kit-pdf-eng/HELIOS_2B_GB.pdfThere you go.Analyst
Nothing more known about any secondary payloads sitting on the asap-ring?
Liftoff is set for Friday, December 18, 2009Evry, December 18, 2009Following additional checks, Arianespace has decided to restart the final countdown for its mission with the HELIOS 2B satellite.Liftoff of the Ariane 5 launcher is now set for Friday, December 18 at 1:26 p.m. local time in Kourou (16:26 UT, 5:26 p.m. in Paris).
Yeah, and it's not even that voiceover testing the comm ahead of the webcast starting.
Uh-oh
Was it me or was the pad camera knocked out by the SRM ignition shockwave?
Heh, I thought the French MOD guy just said they'd be able to spy on the GB!
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 12/18/2009 03:42 pmHeh, I thought the French MOD guy just said they'd be able to spy on the GB! Frankly, Britain is only nominally a French ally. [edit]From the ground motion in the simulation window, the US is thrusting at about a 30-degree angle to orbital direction.
Reviewing the military sats. UK MOD's Skynet:
French Foriegn Legion - 3rd Infrantry provide ground security at the launch site.
Looks like this time the camera located close to the launch pad didn't survive the shock of the boosters ignitions
French officials said they were unable to find compatible co-passengers for this launch despite the ample space and power available on the Ariane 5 vehicle.
The British forums were full of 'Terminator' jokes when Skynet was first named.
Quote from: Ben the Space Brit on 12/18/2009 04:23 pmThe British forums were full of 'Terminator' jokes when Skynet was first named.That's amazing, considering the first UK Skynet launch was in 1969.
Really? That's news to me. I'd never heard the name IRL before when it was announced a few years ago (which, as it is a milcom satellite maybe isn't surprising). Quite a few people took the 'Terminator' parallels quite seriously. Learn from that what you will.
Quote from: Ben the Space Brit on 12/19/2009 04:32 pmReally? That's news to me. I'd never heard the name IRL before when it was announced a few years ago (which, as it is a milcom satellite maybe isn't surprising). Quite a few people took the 'Terminator' parallels quite seriously. Learn from that what you will.Skynet was never classified (see Flight International from 1969: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1969/1969%20-%202888.html?search=skynet )