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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #20 on: 08/24/2022 09:15 pm »
Well, this might be helpful for Mars, too, if they’re cheap enough. You can refuel a Starship enough to return to Earth in one synod if you have like 10 of those, which would be about 60t, which should be doable for a refined cargo lander of Starship HLS to Mars.

Yes, on slide 16 they specifically mention Mars:

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NASA’s focus is on designing, building, and demonstrating a low enriched uranium fission surface power system that is directly applicable for Moon and Mars, scalable to higher power levels

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #21 on: 08/28/2022 03:44 am »
This document seems to confirm that the lunar surface fission power will be delivered by HDL/HLS-cargo (also called cargo lander):

Quote from: pages 30 and 31 of HEOMD-007
. Two large dedicated lunar cargo missions, likely launched on CLVs [commercial launch vehicles], are needed to deliver the Pressurized Rover (PR) and the Surface Habitat (SH) to the Artemis Base Camp site in preparation for longer term exploration of the lunar surface. A Fission Surface Power (FSP) system is also delivered on a cargo lander to demonstrate this capability, and as possibility serve as a dissimilar backup power supply to support base camp operations. [...]

FSP is a compact fission electric power system with a common design approach for both the Moon and Mars surfaces and for deep space science applications. The concept envisioned for the lunar analog shall be a self-regulating design capable of distributing power to other surface assets at a (TBD-HEOR-006) power level up to a minimum of one kilometer via a cable and provide radiation shield protection to the crew and other assets to mission dependent (TBR-HEOR-006) as low as reasonably achievable (ALARA) levels. The FPS operations shall also be controllable via commands from Earth. The system is designed to be activated within 24 hours after landing via commands from the lander or from Earth. After boom and radiator deployments, a simple mechanism is commanded to retract the control rod in the reactor core, allowing fission to begin. Once the reactor reaches operating subsystem temperature and a commissioning phase is complete, continuous power is available. There is no radiation hazard prior to activation on the lunar surface, and the system includes a dedicated radiation shield to protect the crew and surface assets following activation. To maintain ALARA human radiation dosages, the FSP must be landed to maximize the use of natural terrain shielding from the SH. The reactor is self-regulating, and power management and distribution, along with 1 km of power cable, are provided to demonstrate and, if necessary and as able, provide recharging capabilities for other lunar assets such as the Pressurized Rover. Surface assets, such as the unpressurized rover, will deploy the 1 km power cable from the FSP.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210022080/downloads/HEOMD-007%20HEO%20SCOPE%20-%2009-28-2021%20NTRS.pdf
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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #23 on: 09/04/2023 11:14 am »
BBC story about  British (Welsh) take on nuclear power for the Moon. The article is low on technical details, but what is said is that their approach uses Trisofuel (TRi-structural ISOtropic particle) cells the size of poppy seeds in a car-sized generator to be built by Rolls Royce.

Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-66687056

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #25 on: 03/03/2024 09:42 pm »
The FY24 CJS Appropriations Explanatory Statement indicates that CLPS should be used to deliver the nuclear power demo unit on the lunar surface:

Quote from: page 70 of the explanatory Statement (or page 71 of the PDF)
Lunar Surface Power.-The agreement provides up to $40,000,000 and no less than the fiscal year 2023 enacted level for Lunar Surface Power, including up to $20,000,000 for Fission Surface Power. NASA is directed to use Lunar Surface Power demonstration funding for payload development and associated delivery services via the Commercial Lunar Payload Services program.


https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20240304/FY24%20CJS%20Conference%20JES%20scan%203.3.24.pdf

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #26 on: 12/07/2024 01:30 pm »
Italy Begins Development of Nuclear Reactor for Lunar Settlements:
https://europeanspaceflight.com/italy-begins-development-of-nuclear-reactor-for-lunar-settlements/

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #27 on: 01/07/2025 08:53 pm »
Westinghouse Awarded NASA-DOE Contract to Continue Development of Space Microreactor Concept
https://info.westinghousenuclear.com/news/westinghouse-awarded-nasa-doe-contract-to-continue-development-of-space-microreactor-concept

NASA and DOE Continue Collaboration with Westinghouse on Fission Surface Power Project

Cranberry Township, PA, January 7, 2025 – Westinghouse Electric Company announced today that NASA, working with the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), has selected Westinghouse to continue development of a space microreactor design through the Fission Surface Power (FSP) project.

The FSP project is focused on developing concept designs for small, electricity-generating nuclear fission reactors that could provide astronauts a reliable power supply for use on the moon and beyond. This contract, awarded by Idaho National Laboratory (INL), will build on the successful design work Westinghouse completed during Phase 1 to optimize its contributions to the design of FSP systems and their configuration, and begin testing of critical technology elements. The continued progress under the FSP project can enable NASA’s goal of a lunar demonstration within the next decade.

“Westinghouse appreciates the opportunity to continue demonstrating its leadership in designing microreactors for space and lunar exploration missions,” said Richard Rademacher, President, Westinghouse Government Services. “This award reflects our close collaboration with NASA and the progress we’ve made on the FSP program that will enable a strategic capability for the Artemis mission. We look forward to testing and demonstrating our proprietary microreactor technology in the coming years under this important NASA initiative.”

NASA’s FSP program expands on the efforts of the agency’s Kilopower project to develop affordable fission nuclear power technologies for long-duration stays on planetary surfaces. Currently, NASA is working with DOE to design a fission power system that would provide up to 40 kilowatts of power – enough to continuously run 30 households for 10 years. A future lunar demonstration will pave the way for sustainable operations and base camps on the Moon and Mars.

Westinghouse is leveraging its eVinciTM microreactor technology to develop a resilient and mass efficient nuclear electric power and propulsion system for satellite, spacecraft and planetary surface power applications. Building on decades of industry-leading Westinghouse innovation to bring carbon-free, safe and scalable energy wherever it is needed for a variety of applications, the eVinci microreactor generates reliable electricity and heating for remote communities, universities, mining operations, industrial centers, data centers, defense facilities, and soon the lunar surface and beyond. These resilient microreactors have very few moving parts, providing versatility for mission types with the reduction of failure points, simple operation and increased reliability for the harsh environment of space.

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #28 on: 08/05/2025 02:43 pm »
See below:

Duffy to announce nuclear reactor on the moon:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/nasa-china-space-station-duffy-directives-00492172

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1952475477781692747

From the article:

Quote from: the Politico article
The reactor directive orders the agency to solicit industry proposals for a 100 kilowatt nuclear reactor to launch by 2030, a key consideration for astronauts’ return to the lunar surface. NASA previously funded research into a 40 kilowatt reactor for use on the moon, with plans to have a reactor ready for launch by the early 2030s.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/nasa-china-space-station-duffy-directives-00492172
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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #29 on: 08/05/2025 02:53 pm »
NASA plans for lunar fission power systems face fiscal challenges:
https://spacenews.com/nasa-plans-for-lunar-fission-power-systems-face-fiscal-challenges/

https://twitter.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1681995836408971264
Those radiators remind me of Ernst Stuhlinger's designs 1957. Granted, that was for a ship to Mars but the umbrella radiators are similar.
http://www.astronautix.com/s/stuhlingermars1957.html
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see screenshot.
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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #30 on: 08/05/2025 03:46 pm »
A NASA Nuclear Reactor On The Moon? Bold Proposal Is Unfeasible By 2030 – Here's Why

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While a nuclear reactor proposal seems a feasible development for human lunar exploration, the date makes it unfeasible. Both Starship and Blue Origin’s Blue Moon lander are expected to be operational by 2030, and the companies involved in the Fission Surface Power project can probably have prototypes ready by that deadline, given their work over the last several years. Still, nothing can go wrong to make the deadline, and we feel that nuclear reactors are not one of those things you would want to rush to get out there.

https://www.iflscience.com/a-nasa-nuclear-reactor-on-the-moon-bold-proposal-is-unfeasible-by-2030-heres-why-80289

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #31 on: 08/06/2025 08:40 am »
Until permanent human settlement is working, no RFP will be necessary.

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #32 on: 08/06/2025 09:52 am »
Until permanent human settlement is working, no RFP will be necessary.
That might be a bit late though. Get planning now and then the inevitable delays/hand wringing can be addressed and resolved in time.
or not
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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #33 on: 08/06/2025 08:26 pm »
Duffy has been talking about this now, it seems to basically boil down to the US believing it can claim the best part of the Moon for itself.

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”There's a certain part of the moon that everyone knows is the best," Duffy said. "We have ice there. We have sunlight there. We want to get there first and claim that for America."

Because the moon rotates so slowly, the lunar surface experiences two weeks of darkness at at a time. That means solar power won't be efficient to power a crewed outpost  — most robotic lunar rovers can't even survive the lunar night.

https://www.space.com/astronomy/moon/we-want-to-get-there-first-and-claim-that-for-america-nasa-chief-explains-push-for-nuclear-reactor-on-the-moon-video

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #34 on: 08/06/2025 08:31 pm »
Neil deGrasse Tyson weighs in on plans for a moon-based nuclear reactor

There are a few minutes of joking, but he gets into it and weighs in his opinions.

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #35 on: 08/07/2025 03:03 am »
Until permanent human settlement is working, no RFP will be necessary.

Surface power doesn't need to be tied to human missions at all. As a post in the Artemis thread said, you need power for any sort of lunar industrial activity, and most lunar industry doesn't need humans.

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #36 on: 08/07/2025 05:06 pm »
I can't believe that it's the year 2025 and we're still arguing over putting a measly little 100kW reactor on the Moon.

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #37 on: 08/08/2025 02:00 am »
 At 1:03 in the video,  Duffy says:

It's a hundred-kilowatt output. That's the same amount of energy a 2000-square-foot home uses every three and a half days.

He doesn't understand the difference between energy and power. Ugh.
« Last Edit: 08/08/2025 02:01 am by Proponent »

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #38 on: 08/08/2025 02:52 am »
At 1:03 in the video,  Duffy says:

It's a hundred-kilowatt output. That's the same amount of energy a 2000-square-foot home uses every three and a half days.

He doesn't understand the difference between energy and power. Ugh.
I noticed that too.  I am not surprised.  Duffy is not an engineer.  It will be interesting to see if Trump ever appoints an administrator.

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Re: Lunar Surface Fission Power RFP
« Reply #39 on: 08/08/2025 04:15 am »
« Last Edit: 08/08/2025 04:36 am by yg1968 »

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