In the latest step in sending astronauts to the lunar surface within five years, NASA issued a draft solicitation June 14 to industry seeking comments for a future opportunity for American companies to deliver cargo and other supplies to the Gateway in lunar orbit.The first logistics service to the orbital outpost is expected to deliver science, cargo and other supplies in support of the agency’s new Artemis lunar exploration program, which includes sending the first woman and the next man to the surface of the Moon by 2024.Last fall, NASA asked American companies for ideas on how to best supply the Gateway, which will be located in an orbit around the Moon about 250,000 miles from Earth. The Gateway will be a command and service module for missions to the lunar surface and eventually, exploration farther into the solar system. Following up on that initial request for information, today NASA published a draft solicitation for industry comments on its logistics approach, which are due July 10, 2019.
Relevant bits from the Statement of Work after a brief scan.{snip} * Gateway Refueling{snip}
The vehicle will need the ability to automatically dock to the Gateway since it is arriving before the arm has been installed. Although an Orion, Dragon or CST-100 may be able to push it into place.
* The Logistics Module shall perform autonomous docking and departure at any available Gateway radial port.
Relevant bits from the Statement of Work after a brief scan. * Fast delivery: docking 30 days or less from the time of launch.
Quote from: theinternetftw on 06/15/2019 03:04 amRelevant bits from the Statement of Work after a brief scan. * Fast delivery: docking 30 days or less from the time of launch.It's a pity in some ways this was included - ion propelled cargo may have been an interesting addition, though it has radiation challenges.
Although nominal Logistics Service Missions may take several months to deliver cargo, express services may take less than a week.
The Gateway uses Xenon for its main propellant....
Quote from: speedevil on 06/15/2019 10:49 amQuote from: theinternetftw on 06/15/2019 03:04 amRelevant bits from the Statement of Work after a brief scan. * Fast delivery: docking 30 days or less from the time of launch.It's a pity in some ways this was included - ion propelled cargo may have been an interesting addition, though it has radiation challenges.To clarify, Fast Delivery is a "Mission Unique Capability" and is optional. It may be needed for certain missions and offered at a premium. From the requirements doc:QuoteAlthough nominal Logistics Service Missions may take several months to deliver cargo, express services may take less than a week.
The minimum pressurized payload requirement also helps protect contractors from Dragon without extensive mods.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 06/15/2019 07:33 pmThe minimum pressurized payload requirement also helps protect contractors from Dragon without extensive mods.For Dragon 1 yes but what about Dragon 2? I recall it having the ability for more pressurized cargo. Also that requirement would seemingly exclude the current 3 segment Cygnus too so I don't see how it's about "protecting contractors" from SpaceX.
Dragon is smaller than NASA really wanted for CRS, I don't see it being competitive for the Gateway missions without extensive mods (go expendable, ditch the heat shield, cut a hole in the bottom and put more pressurized space in a larger trunk?)
Quote from: gongora on 06/15/2019 10:40 pmDragon is smaller than NASA really wanted for CRS, I don't see it being competitive for the Gateway missions without extensive mods (go expendable, ditch the heat shield, cut a hole in the bottom and put more pressurized space in a larger trunk?)Musk has said they could extend the length of the Dragon trunk, so they could stick pressurized cargo in there, assuming it's in its own pressurized containers.
I’m really struggling with the silly 14 ton max mass limit. The fully fueled lander will weigh a lot more than that with all three components.ISS, even from the beginning when it was tiny, had Shuttle dock with it. Mir had Shuttle dock with it, too. That was like 100 tons. Why are they intentionally trying to exclude more ambitious solutions? It’s so stupid.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 06/15/2019 11:53 pmI’m really struggling with the silly 14 ton max mass limit. The fully fueled lander will weigh a lot more than that with all three components.ISS, even from the beginning when it was tiny, had Shuttle dock with it. Mir had Shuttle dock with it, too. That was like 100 tons. Why are they intentionally trying to exclude more ambitious solutions? It’s so stupid.I'm not sure this matters, I don't think SpaceX wants to park a Starship on Gateway for 3 years, the opportunity cost would be way too high. I suspect it applies to Dragon too, do they really want a Dragon that has been in deep space for 3 years back? Seems to me it would be much easier if they just expend it, this way they don't need to fly the reentry equipment (parachutes, heat shields, etc) either.I think the biggest issue with this RFP is the 3 years clause, why does NASA needs the cargo module to last two manned missions? They can afford to launch two SLS/Orion, but couldn't afford to launch two matching cargo re-supply missions? That makes no sense, the number of cargo missions should exceed the number of crew missions, just like ISS.