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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #20 on: 12/03/2008 02:29 pm »
I did a quick review of the SCA compared to your average 747-100 (MTOW, Service Ceiling, etc.). I guess range should be around 1000-1200 miles with a shuttle. Minimum runway length should be around 10,000 feet. So if anyone want's to look up all the airstrips between Europe and the US with a 10k runway and a max distance of 1000miles in between... ;)
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #21 on: 12/03/2008 03:14 pm »
I did a quick review of the SCA compared to your average 747-100 (MTOW, Service Ceiling, etc.). I guess range should be around 1000-1200 miles with a shuttle.
Are you factoring in the SCA ceiling with the orbiter on top for range?  Can't fly much higher than 15k feet.

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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #22 on: 12/03/2008 03:28 pm »
I did a quick review of the SCA compared to your average 747-100 (MTOW, Service Ceiling, etc.). I guess range should be around 1000-1200 miles with a shuttle.
Are you factoring in the SCA ceiling with the orbiter on top for range?  Can't fly much higher than 15k feet.


Yep 15k was what I read as ceiling.

But I have to say my numbers for range are just an educated guess, based on a Flight Level vs. Range chart for the 747-200F and roughly calculating the differences between -200, -100 and SCA.
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #23 on: 12/03/2008 05:19 pm »
Don't they use Air Force bases anyways? Or has DFW been utilized in the past? It just seems strange to think they would fly it in to regular airports...
In only a cursory search I found mention of one case, during the ferry after STS-30.  That was a long time ago, but more importantly it was before 9/11.


I seem to remember the most recent Ferry-Back made a stop at Amarillo (commercial airport)??
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #24 on: 12/03/2008 06:15 pm »
Out of interest, if an Orbiter were ever to land at a TAL site in Europe or Africa, what would be the plan for returning her to KSC? Would the SCA have the range to fly across the Atlantic Ocean, or would it have to go the long way round the planet, East all the way?

Might have to copy this across to Shuttle Q&A as I've always wondered about that too. You'll of seen the emergancy landing site document on L2 with all the contingency landing sites and you have to wonder if they could even land the SCA on some of the "sporty" runways (wide enough?) - so maybe they'd have to lift her on to a barge?



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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #25 on: 12/03/2008 07:48 pm »
Was there coverage on NASA TV of the MLP being moved to the parking position?
If so are their any videos of it. :)
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #26 on: 12/03/2008 07:51 pm »
Was there coverage on NASA TV of the MLP being moved to the parking position?
If so are their any videos of it. :)
No coverage which is usual.
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #27 on: 12/03/2008 08:24 pm »
Out of interest, if an Orbiter were ever to land at a TAL site in Europe or Africa, what would be the plan for returning her to KSC? Would the SCA have the range to fly across the Atlantic Ocean, or would it have to go the long way round the planet, East all the way?

Might have to copy this across to Shuttle Q&A as I've always wondered about that too. You'll of seen the emergancy landing site document on L2 with all the contingency landing sites and you have to wonder if they could even land the SCA on some of the "sporty" runways (wide enough?) - so maybe they'd have to lift her on to a barge?



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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #28 on: 12/03/2008 10:16 pm »
I am at EDW this week... the parking lot over at DFRC is *packed* compared to the usual.  Noted that there are currently two SCA's on the NASA ramp.  Anybody know if they use the 2nd 747 as the pathfinder airplane or if they use a C-130 or maybe the STA aircraft for that role, or maybe something else entirely?

If there is anybody on here that is local at EDW, hey, I have a flight line badge and would love to go have a look!  Lunch?  Hey, I'm buying! (PM me....)
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #29 on: 12/03/2008 10:45 pm »
Anybody know if they use the 2nd 747 as the pathfinder airplane or if they use a C-130 or maybe the STA aircraft for that role, or maybe something else entirely?


IIRC, I think they used the C-9 as the pathfinder aircraft for Atlantis/SCA post-117. If I remember what I saw on flightaware.com, they were about 100 miles or so out front of the SCA. I believe the aircraft was NASA 932. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong on this. :)
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #30 on: 12/03/2008 10:49 pm »
I am at EDW this week... the parking lot over at DFRC is *packed* compared to the usual.  Noted that there are currently two SCA's on the NASA ramp.  Anybody know if they use the 2nd 747 as the pathfinder airplane or if they use a C-130 or maybe the STA aircraft for that role, or maybe something else entirely?

If there is anybody on here that is local at EDW, hey, I have a flight line badge and would love to go have a look!  Lunch?  Hey, I'm buying! (PM me....)

If I recall correctly, the plan that was briefed pre-launch was to use 911 as the primary SCA and the C-9 for Pathfinder.

In the past, pathfinder was a USAF 141 but C-9 has filled that role most recently.  Of course the use of the C-9 is contingent on it not having any other flight commitments during the planned ferry flight days.

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It just struck me that in most other NASA references, the orbiter is distinct from the Shuttle. Is there any special reason why the acronym for the customized 747 is not "OCA"?
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #32 on: 12/04/2008 03:35 am »
It just struck me that in most other NASA references, the orbiter is distinct from the Shuttle. Is there any special reason why the acronym for the customized 747 is not "OCA"?

It mainly depends on how specific one chooses to be when naming these things.  Some see the orbiter as THE shuttle and not just one part of a larger "shuttle" set.  Others see the orbiter as just the orbiter and see the orbiter, ET and SRB stack as the shuttle.  Either that, or perhaps someone didn't feel like having a three-syllable word in the acronym. ;)
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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #33 on: 12/04/2008 08:11 pm »
First time post for me. I've followed the space program since my distant and vague memory of Friendship 7 and have read these forums for a couple of years.  Great work everyone!

By the title and subtitle of a 12/2 msnbc.com article, the implication might be that if the SCA and Endeavor do't make it back to Florida, we may all be doomed!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28023610/

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28023610/

Oh! That's funny! Clearly some Space.com writer or MSNBC editor had a left over subtitle from some prior article (probably about HST)  ::)
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MSNBC's published the wrong abstract, can happen with Content Management Systems, so it'll be some subeditor over there, not space.com who messed up. Hardly end of the world ;)

Was a boring article, however.

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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #36 on: 12/04/2008 11:27 pm »
It's taken almost a week for MSNBC to find Endeavour?

NSF scoops the MSM again!  Congrats, Chris.

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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #37 on: 12/05/2008 12:06 am »
Oh! That's funny! Clearly some Space.com writer or MSNBC editor had a left over subtitle from some prior article (probably about HST)  ::)

IIRC, the subtitle refers to a survey of systems with dust, and speculating that star systems with a different amount of cometary bombardments are less likely to form life on those worlds. Something about Spitzer as well.

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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #38 on: 12/05/2008 12:14 am »
Oh! That's funny! Clearly some Space.com writer or MSNBC editor had a left over subtitle from some prior article (probably about HST)  ::)

IIRC, the subtitle refers to a survey of systems with dust, and speculating that star systems with a different amount of cometary bombardments are less likely to form life on those worlds. Something about Spitzer as well.

Or it was speculating on the result of opening the MPLM containing trash and dirty laundry once it reaches the SSPF.  ;)

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Re: STS-126: Post Flight (Dryden, SCA Ferry to KSC) Coverage
« Reply #39 on: 12/05/2008 03:35 am »
Was a boring article, however.

Not only that, but it read as if it were written by a third grader at the last second for his English class presentation.
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