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PDF of online press kit.

Do I need remedial reading lessons (oops, maybe -- but that is off topic)
The last flight had a number of simulated payloads -- was it  8?
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I didn't read that in the PDF that Steve referenced.  Did you accidentally read the flight 10 press kit?
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PDF of online press kit.

[snip] The flight 7 pdf for Oct 13 [snip]

None of this is in the Flight 11 press brief... What are you reading?  ???

duh is a time traveler from the past, and was reading the Flight 7 press kit.

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Future vehicles and their upcoming assembly hall, called the Gigabay, are in focus ahead of Flight 11, all aimed at the next phase of the Starship program.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60390.msg2722450#msg2722450

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Join us 🔴LIVE🔴 Today, October 2nd, from 2:00 p.m. CDT / 19:00 UTC on @NASASpaceflight  Starbase Live stream for another Raptorside Chat.

We’ll discuss all the latest developments at Starbase, and beyond, and try to answer any questions you may have!

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Maybe the matt finish on the dome is from heat used in the process of making those curved sections before they are welded together.  Or else maybe a different, more heat resistant grade of stainless steel.
Possibly I'm hallucinating, but I seem to recall other bicurved domes and nosecone sections being shiny. As to a different alloy, stainless is already heat resistant, but certain other steel like HSS does have a somewhat higher melting point. I think to go higher than that, you need a refractory coating, which is why I asked. I'm still not sure it's really all that much less shiny, which is why I asked. Catdlr's pictures seem to show it as less shiny, but maybe I'm just seeing what I think has to be there.

dull v. shiney has been going on since the beginning - it's the mfg process that makes them dull or shiny.

Bocachicagal pic attached

The segments for the dome are draw-formed over mandrels, right? This process essentially stretches the outer surface of the metal, so it starts shiny and flat, but one stretched into shape, the surface finish will lose its shine.

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Maybe the matt finish on the dome is from heat used in the process of making those curved sections before they are welded together.  Or else maybe a different, more heat resistant grade of stainless steel.
Possibly I'm hallucinating, but I seem to recall other bicurved domes and nosecone sections being shiny. As to a different alloy, stainless is already heat resistant, but certain other steel like HSS does have a somewhat higher melting point. I think to go higher than that, you need a refractory coating, which is why I asked. I'm still not sure it's really all that much less shiny, which is why I asked. Catdlr's pictures seem to show it as less shiny, but maybe I'm just seeing what I think has to be there.

dull v. shiney has been going on since the beginning - it's the mfg process that makes them dull or shiny.

Bocachicagal pic attached

The segments for the dome are draw-formed over mandrels, right? This process essentially stretches the outer surface of the metal, so it starts shiny and flat, but one stretched into shape, the surface finish will lose its shine.

The draw-formed over mandrels are pictured here form RGV Aerophotography:
Source:  https://youtube.com/watch?v=Co1-2AZnPx8#t=133s

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Timeline Comparison

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Event   Flight 11Flight 10   Flight 9   
SpaceX Flight Director conducts poll and verifies GO for propellant load   01:15:00   01:15:00   01:15:00   
Ship fuel load underway00:53:0000:53:0000:45:20
Ship LOX load underway00:46:1000:45:2000:51:37
Booster fuel load underway00:41:1500:41:3700:41:37
Booster LOX load underway00:35:5200:35:5200:35:52
Raptor begins engine chill on booster and ship00:19:4000:19:4000:19:40
Ship propellant load complete00:03:2000:03:2000:03:20
Booster propellant load complete00:02:5000:02:5000:02:50
SpaceX flight director verifies GO for launch00:00:3000:00:3000:00:30
Flame deflector activation00:00:1000:00:1000:00:10
Raptor ignition sequence begins00:00:0300:00:0300:00:03
Liftoff00:00:0200:00:0200:00:02
Max Q00:01:0200:01:0200:01:02
Super Heavy MECO00:02:3700:02:3600:02:35
Hot-staging00:02:3900:02:3800:02:37
Super Heavy boostback burn start00:02:4900:02:4800:02:47
Super Heavy boostback burn shutdown00:03:3800:03:3800:03:27
Hot-stage jettison00:03:4000:03:4000:03:29
Super Heavy landing burn start00:06:2000:06:2000:06:19
Super Heavy landing burn shutdown00:06:3600:06:4000:06:40
Starship engine cutoff00:08:5800:08:5700:08:56
Payload deploy demo start00:18:2800:18:2700:18:26
Payload deploy demo complete00:25:3300:25:32N/A
Raptor in-space relight demo00:37:4900:37:4800:37:49
Starship entry00:47:4300:47:2900:47:50
Starship is transonic01:03:3001:03:1501:03:11
Starship is subsonic01:03:5201:04:3001:04:26
Landing burn start01:05:5801:06:2001:06:16
Landing flip01:06:0001:06:1401:06:11
Landing burn 3 to 2 engines01:06:09N/AN/A
An exciting landing!01:06:2501:06:3001:06:38

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Event                        Flight 11   Flight 10   Flight 9   
Starship is transonic01:03:3001:03:1501:03:11
Starship is subsonic01:03:5201:04:3001:04:26
Landing burn start01:05:5801:06:2001:06:16
Landing flip01:06:0001:06:1401:06:11
Landing burn 3 to 2 engines01:06:09N/AN/A
An exciting landing!01:06:2501:06:3001:06:38
1) 1st stage burn is 1s longer (at same thrust levels so less prop reserved for booster recovery?)
2) boostback burn is 1s shorter and landing burn is 20% shorter (using the middle ring more aggressively?)
3) Upper stage out-of-atmosphere trajectory is 13s longer (higher Ap or entry interface 100km further downrange?)
4) Time spent to decelerate through trans-sonic regime down from 75s to 22s (!)
5) Spends 16s longer in a subsonic bellyflop (presumably from a higher initial altitude)
6) Landing burn starts before the flip is initiated (unlike previous flights)
7) Flight 10 had a short 10s landing burn which is not being repeated. In fact it's even 5s longer than (planned) on Flight 9

The minimum time spent trans-sonic is interesting. Have they changed the definition? Or are they decelerating 240% faster? It doesn't seem like it will be in thicker air (lower altitude) to achieve this, unless terminal velocity is significantly lower to explain the increased time spent subsonic.

There was comment about the Flight 10 splashdown and whether it was sufficiently controlled - it seems that's not the way forward.
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Event                        Flight 11   Flight 10   Flight 9   
Starship is transonic01:03:3001:03:1501:03:11
Starship is subsonic01:03:5201:04:3001:04:26
Landing burn start01:05:5801:06:2001:06:16
Landing flip01:06:0001:06:1401:06:11
Landing burn 3 to 2 engines01:06:09N/AN/A
An exciting landing!01:06:2501:06:3001:06:38
1) 1st stage burn is 1s longer (at same thrust levels so less prop reserved for booster recovery?)
2) boostback burn is 1s shorter and landing burn is 20% shorter (using the middle ring more aggressively?)
3) Upper stage out-of-atmosphere trajectory is 13s longer (higher Ap or entry interface 100km further downrange?)
4) Time spent to decelerate through trans-sonic regime down from 75s to 22s (!)
5) Spends 16s longer in a subsonic bellyflop (presumably from a higher initial altitude)
6) Landing burn starts before the flip is initiated (unlike previous flights)
7) Flight 10 had a short 10s landing burn which is not being repeated. In fact it's even 5s longer than (planned) on Flight 9

The minimum time spent trans-sonic is interesting. Have they changed the definition? Or are they decelerating 240% faster? It doesn't seem like it will be in thicker air (lower altitude) to achieve this, unless terminal velocity is significantly lower.

There was comment about the Flight 10 splashdown and whether it was sufficiently controlled - it seems that's not the way forward.

Based on this I'd expect a pitch up maneuver to go transonic quicker.

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Here is the corrected updated online press kit with the launch time in UTC (the SpaceX website shows GMT).

Thanks Steven for doing this.  I've added mention of it to the first post of the update thread.  If you post further updates to that PDF, hopefully I'll notice and will edit that update in ...

I'm on record as a huge fan of timezone pedantry, per my profile, so hear hear for pointing out SpaceX's error.  But are you saying that your PDF has it in proper UTC?  Because it doesn't.  Maybe you uploaded the wrong file?
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B-15.2 on the move
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Meanwhile, at the village....

Two Teslas, a Starlink on the roof, and a Superheavy in the backyard. Suburbia in the 20s.


https://twitter.com/StarbaseTX/status/1976013752530268644
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Meanwhile, at the village....

Two Teslas, a Starlink on the roof, and a Superheavy in the backyard. Suburbia in the 20s.


https://twitter.com/StarbaseTX/status/1976013752530268644

Hard to tell from the photo, but this doesn’t look like new construction (at least to my eyes).  Is this one of the buy-out houses that had solar shingles put on them?

Might need to have Mary or Nomadd chime in for this answer.

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Here is another time-lapse of the booster move

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Booster 15-2 arrived at the launch site this morning after the trek down Highway-4 in Starbase! 

@NASASpaceflight covered it all live.

https://twitter.com/wvmattz/status/1976052383630123492


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After arriving at Pad 1 a few hours earlier, Booster 15-2 was lifted onto the OLM.  Mark one more item off the pre-launch checklist.  Flight 11 is coming up soon!

https://twitter.com/wvmattz/status/1976083079992312218
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Flight-proven Super Heavy booster moved to the pad at Starbase ahead of launch

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Tonight's "NSF Starbase Update," hosted by Ryan Caton, goes over the IFT-11 test plan for the upcoming flight.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60109.msg2724017#msg2724017

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Hard to tell from the photo, but this doesn’t look like new construction (at least to my eyes).  Is this one of the buy-out houses that had solar shingles put on them?  Might need to have Mary or Nomadd chime in for this answer.

You might ask that in the property acquisition thread, where there are lots of people knowledgeable about this:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49090.2320

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Road closures are posted:
(image of announcement document from Cameron County)

Groaning at use of "C.S.T." for the local timezone, especially in an official government document.  As rdale used to say here, "you're off by an hour".

As it says in my profile, just use "CT" (or "ET", or "PT") all year round.  This moment of timezone pedantry has been brought to you by the letter "S".
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Starship Flight 11: Ship 38 finally starts rolling down Highway 4 to Pad 1.

Look how close the public can get! Amazing!

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