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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #1 on: 03/19/2010 06:19 pm »
Claims Obama will only announce a date for Mars.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #2 on: 03/19/2010 06:22 pm »
How can he? How can anyone?

"Only"? What else could he announce?

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #3 on: 03/19/2010 06:24 pm »
How can he? How can anyone?

"Only"? What else could he announce?

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You HAVE to be kidding me! The argument is there's no specific goals or milestones. So the solution is to announce a date no one will be held to, Obama sure won't be as he won't be president.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #4 on: 03/19/2010 06:25 pm »
Cabana- his 39A plans are to have 2 clean pads and 4 VAB bays with multiple types of rockets being prepared- 4 MLs to move to clean- multi vehicle capable (paraphrase) pads

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #5 on: 03/19/2010 06:27 pm »
Nelson wants to have NASA focused on HLV and SC for BEO. Repeats president should have used the word "Restructure" rather than cancel in referance to CxP, should have also stated outright that he should have said R&D for HLV rather than just undefined R&D (paraphrase)
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #6 on: 03/19/2010 06:27 pm »
Ares was a dog - Nelson.

The shuttle is not unsafe, I'd fly on it tomorrow - Cabana.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #7 on: 03/19/2010 06:30 pm »
How can he? How can anyone?

"Only"? What else could he announce?

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You HAVE to be kidding me! The argument is there's no specific goals or milestones. So the solution is to announce a date no one will be held to, Obama sure won't be as he won't be president.

And so far out that it won't matter.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #8 on: 03/19/2010 06:33 pm »
How can he? How can anyone?

"Only"? What else could he announce?

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You HAVE to be kidding me! The argument is there's no specific goals or milestones. So the solution is to announce a date no one will be held to, Obama sure won't be as he won't be president.

Kidding? No. Such an announcement will be cheap talk, nothing else. Just like anything beyond about 5 years. Just like the VSE: "Moon, Mars and beyond." Dropping in some artificial dates - like 2010, 2014, 2019 - does not help.

This being the problem with goals, the vision thing. Be it from Bush or Obama. Obama did avoid this for now. Should he "talk Mars" he does it because people cry "goal" or "vision". Does not mean anything, did not mean anything in 2004. Yet people may feel better - or not.

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #9 on: 03/19/2010 06:34 pm »
This is very fluffy. Nelson is becoming weaker and weaker as he tows the party line with Obama. Such a shame.

Blaming everything on the previous admin and government.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #10 on: 03/19/2010 06:35 pm »
*Back a bit*

Nelson- the president was ill-advised by his advisors when it came to rolling out the budget (paraphrase)

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #11 on: 03/19/2010 06:36 pm »
How can he? How can anyone?

"Only"? What else could he announce?

Analyst

You HAVE to be kidding me! The argument is there's no specific goals or milestones. So the solution is to announce a date no one will be held to, Obama sure won't be as he won't be president.

Kidding? No. Such an announcement will be cheap talk, nothing else. Just like anything beyond about 5 years. Just like the VSE: "Moon, Mars and beyond." Dropping in some artificial dates - like 2010, 2014, 2019 - does not help.

This being the problem with goals, the vision thing. Be it from Bush or Obama. Obama did avoid this for now. Should he "talk Mars" he does it because people cry "goal" or "vision". Does not mean anything, did not mean anything in 2004. Yet people may feel better - or not.

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But that's your personal opinion :)

You aren't bothered about goals, fair enough. However, the problem noted by the lawmakers, such as Senators and Congress is that they aren't happy with the lack of goals and specifics. So while Analyst isn't bothered, they are - Obama isn't going to change the opposition by just announcing an arbitory date for Mars.

That's the problem.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #12 on: 03/19/2010 06:37 pm »
*back a bit*

Canana- wants an LAS that can cover the crew from T-0 to MECO, thus safer than shuttle.

Nelson now- repeating that in detail

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #13 on: 03/19/2010 06:40 pm »
Nelson- "the new rocket that NASA is designing takes all of that risk (as in sts black-no abort zone) out.

NASA was working on Ares (I) and underfunded and thus gap extended (paraphrase)

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #14 on: 03/19/2010 06:40 pm »
Ok, now Senator Nelson is beefing up a bit. Notes the problem remains the gap.
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #15 on: 03/19/2010 06:41 pm »
Subject: shuttle extension

Host: How workable is that?

Cabana, says it can be done, but do we have the funding and what is the priority?

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #16 on: 03/19/2010 06:42 pm »
Host: what's gonna happen (with all of these proposals)?

We are going to put money into aggressive R&D for HLV using parts for the Ares Rocket- Nelson
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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #17 on: 03/19/2010 06:44 pm »
Nelson- we're gonna put money into development of a spacecraft- call it Orion or whatever, but we're going to do that (in the Congress) (paraphrese)


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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #18 on: 03/19/2010 06:45 pm »
Nelson- is really blowing holes in this budget and in the ideal that Bolden has been trying to sell and he expects the president to come out and do the same on the 15th

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Re: Sen. Nelson, KSC Director Cabana Live debate NOW
« Reply #19 on: 03/19/2010 06:48 pm »
Host, ? about cultural change in NASA about privatization and such.

Cabana- Yes they have been working a working with commercial operators for a long time. Talks about the increased level of oversight for human rating- they are still working on that.

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