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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #520 on: 10/06/2021 02:10 pm »
Astronomers Get Ready to Probe Europa’s Hidden Ocean for Life

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Planetary scientists are discovering more about Jupiter’s fourth-largest moon, one of Earth’s nearest ocean worlds—places like Saturn’s moons Titan and Enceladus that have bodies of salty water and other liquids that could be amenable to the emergence of life. They’re presenting new findings this week about Europa’s cracked surface, hidden ocean, and geological activity at the biggest annual planetary conference in the United States, organized by the American Astronomical Society, held virtually for the second year in a row. The research serves as a prelude to tantalizing opportunities for new observations by upcoming missions being dispatched by NASA and the European Space Agency.

“Europa is fantastic. Of anywhere in the solar system, outside the Earth, it has the greatest potential, I think, for maintaining a habitable environment that could support microbial life,” says Michael Bland, a US Geological Survey space scientist in Flagstaff, Arizona. After modeling the moon’s dynamic, rocky interior, Bland believes the conditions on its deep seafloor could be amenable to life, according to new work that he and NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist Catherine Elder presented at the conference on Monday.

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After that, Bland, Babcock, and their colleagues look forward to NASA’s Europa Clipper, a mission years in the making that’s planned for launch in 2024. “The Europa Clipper will assess Europa’s habitability and how we might be able to use these investigations for other ocean worlds, thinking about the potential for life there as well,” says Kathleen Craft, a planetary scientist at Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Baltimore, who will be presenting at the conference on Thursday.

The car-sized orbiter, with 100-foot solar panels unfurled on each side, will use radar, radio signals, and gravity science to study the structure of the moon, including measuring the thickness of the ice shell and the depth of the underground ocean. It will also try to snag samples from its plumes, which could include droplets from the ocean itself that might reveal information about how conducive to life it really is, Craft says. A baguette-sized instrument will ingest gas and vapor, analyze and classify the contents, and then beam the crucial data back to scientists at home.

Its mission also includes conducting aerial surveillance for a potential lander mission to Europa, which could scoop up material on the surface, or drill down for it, looking for that coveted evidence of extraterrestrial lifeforms.

https://www.wired.com/story/astronomers-get-ready-to-probe-europas-hidden-ocean-for-life/

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #521 on: 10/14/2021 06:43 pm »
Water vapour detected in the atmosphere of Europa:

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #522 on: 11/16/2021 11:00 pm »
The side boosters that will be used on the Psyche mission in 2022 will be used for the launch of the Europa Clipper mission.
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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #523 on: 01/12/2022 05:05 pm »
Engineers just tested of the E-THEMIS instrument yesterday:

http://spaceref.com/astrobiology/nasa-europa-clipper-instrument-captures-breathtaking-first-light-images.html

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Arizona State University (ASU) scientists and engineers building the Europa Thermal Emission Imaging System (E-THEMIS) for NASA's Europa Clipper passed a major hurdle recently by capturing the first successful test images from this complex infrared camera, known as "first light" images.

Also, I meant to post these in December, but I forgot:

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/a-few-steps-closer-to-europa-spacecraft-hardware-makes-headway
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/are-water-plumes-spraying-from-europa-nasas-europa-clipper-is-on-the-case

The first is a status update of various components from August. The second is from November and details the evidence for plumes, how EC will try to detect them and what it will do if it does.

Lastly, I just saw this now and figured I'd post it as well - it's a report on the engineers refining the flyby trajectories:
https://europa.nasa.gov/news/38/mission-dispatch-tweaking-the-trajectory/

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #524 on: 01/31/2022 06:47 pm »
Two interesting updates on Clipper plans from today's OPAG meeting.

1) There will be no Jupiter system science. The last Decadal Survey said that to constrain costs on a reformulated Europa mission (which eventually became Clipper) that the system science should be dropped. The current mission plan does that.

2) The only measurements at Ganymede and Callisto will be to calibrate the instruments, not to conduct science observations (although useful science might come out of the calibration measurements).

While this may seem disappointing, the JUICE mission is designed to do extensive Jovian system science and to conduct science campaigns at Ganymede and Callisto.

While looking at the slides of last year's August 2021 OPAG meeting presentations, I see that the Europe Clipper slides have impressive photos of the payload instruments and their placements on the probe.

Looking at the "Payload accommodation" slide 9, I wondered who has the final say on placing these instruments? Presumably, just guessing, they must be distributed for a good centre of gravity of the probe and easy handling, but the science requirements might dictate another placement. If that guess is correct then who would actually balance out the probe? APL?


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Lastly, I just saw this now and figured I'd post it as well - it's a report on the engineers refining the flyby trajectories:
https://europa.nasa.gov/news/38/mission-dispatch-tweaking-the-trajectory/

While I saw the quoted blog post, I wondered about slide 7 in the attached Clipper slides, suggest that the final tour would be selected in November 2021. Are there any pointers to which tour was actually selected?

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #525 on: 01/31/2022 06:56 pm »

While looking at the slides of last year's August 2021 OPAG meeting presentations, I see that the Europe Clipper slides have impressive photos of the payload instruments and their placements on the probe.

Looking at the "Payload accommodation" slide 9, I wondered who has the final say on placing these instruments? Presumably, just guessing, they must be distributed for a good centre of gravity of the probe and easy handling, but the science requirements might dictate another placement. If that guess is correct then who would actually balance out the probe? APL?


JPL is responsible for the total design and has to trade payload vs spacecraft requirements.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #526 on: 01/31/2022 08:08 pm »
JPL is responsible for the total design and has to trade payload vs spacecraft requirements.

I heard something last year while working on the planetary decadal survey and I cannot remember the specifics, but there's actually a set of guidelines about who can ultimately trade off payload--and science--for spacecraft requirements. In other words, NASA has specific rules that say that "Person X can decide that some science cannot be done and remove that from the mission in order to accomplish other mission goals." They get the last word, although they will have to justify those decisions to the associate administrator.

The context of that is important, because the scientific community has established high-level science goals for the mission, and then through a series of steps, turned those into specific science goals for the mission. And they become very attached to those goals and mad if they are not going to be achieved. But somebody actually has to make the mission work, and it is possible that something like a fuel or mass margin requires losing some of the science (not always deleting a payload, but maybe not performing observations or not allocating comm to a payload). I think that this discussion came up because of the magnetometer issue, when JPL had to accept much lower science, and members of the community were really upset and asked how they could do that, because the science requirements were clear. NASA has put in place rules that give certain people the power to do that. They have to. It's necessary when managing complex programs. I'm sure JWST operated under similar rules.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #527 on: 02/01/2022 01:23 am »
I heard something last year while working on the planetary decadal survey and I cannot remember the specifics, but there's actually a set of guidelines about who can ultimately trade off payload--and science--for spacecraft requirements. In other words, NASA has specific rules that say that "Person X can decide that some science cannot be done and remove that from the mission in order to accomplish other mission goals." They get the last word, although they will have to justify those decisions to the associate administrator.

[...] NASA has put in place rules that give certain people the power to do that [downgrade science to get mission to work]. They have to. It's necessary when managing complex programs. I'm sure JWST operated under similar rules.
If you have a fixed budget, or a fixed launch date, then there may be no alternative to dropping science.  Planetary missions have both constraints, so it's doubly necessary.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #528 on: 02/01/2022 06:04 am »
If you have a fixed budget, or a fixed launch date, then there may be no alternative to dropping science.  Planetary missions have both constraints, so it's doubly necessary.

So any non-Europa science would have to wait until a mission extension, right?  Presuming 'Clipper holds up well, how much might an extension cost, and could it have the flexibility to investigate Jupiter and the other moons?
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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #529 on: 02/01/2022 12:08 pm »
Presuming 'Clipper holds up well, how much might an extension cost, and could it have the flexibility to investigate Jupiter and the other moons?

Extended missions don't cost much. They're usually less than the operating cost of the mission in its last year of the prime mission phase. That's because a lot of the science team gets offloaded. And NASA has a budget for extended missions, they don't have to find new money.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #530 on: 02/01/2022 12:16 pm »
So any non-Europa science would have to wait until a mission extension, right? 
Yes, this is extra-true of a multiple flyby mission like Europa Clipper.  Unlike a conventional Earth-bound telescope (for example), the whole observing campaign is laid out in advance, designed so that (as a whole) it will address each of the Europa science objectives.  Plus each flyby is critical to the ones that come after, so even small changes are almost impossible.

It is remotely possible that some non-Europa science could be squeezed in.  If, for example, an asteroid was found that would impact a (non-Europa) Jupiter moon during Clipper's mission, and it was found far enough in advance that the tour could be tweaked to include it, then that *might* be worth the impact to Europa science. But overall, any non-Europa science will have to wait for the extended mission.  Even there it will have to compete with the additional Europa science that could be done.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #531 on: 02/01/2022 05:22 pm »
JPL is responsible for the total design and has to trade payload vs spacecraft requirements.

I heard something last year while working on the planetary decadal survey and I cannot remember the specifics, but there's actually a set of guidelines about who can ultimately trade off payload--and science--for spacecraft requirements. In other words, NASA has specific rules that say that "Person X can decide that some science cannot be done and remove that from the mission in order to accomplish other mission goals." They get the last word, although they will have to justify those decisions to the associate administrator.

The context of that is important, because the scientific community has established high-level science goals for the mission, and then through a series of steps, turned those into specific science goals for the mission. And they become very attached to those goals and mad if they are not going to be achieved. But somebody actually has to make the mission work, and it is possible that something like a fuel or mass margin requires losing some of the science (not always deleting a payload, but maybe not performing observations or not allocating comm to a payload). I think that this discussion came up because of the magnetometer issue, when JPL had to accept much lower science, and members of the community were really upset and asked how they could do that, because the science requirements were clear. NASA has put in place rules that give certain people the power to do that. They have to. It's necessary when managing complex programs. I'm sure JWST operated under similar rules.


I was thinking about this a bit more and a bit more of my memory came back. The issue was over who "owns" the science requirements for a science mission. And the answer that came back from NASA was that in the end, it is the program manager (who is an engineer and not a scientist) who "owns" those requirements and can trade them off for other factors, like mission success, margins (safety, fuel, mass), etc.

When you dig really far down into Europa Clipper, you can find some scientists who are not happy with the quality of the science that the mission will do. They wanted something that would achieve X, Y, and Z, and what they're getting is something that will achieve X-1, Y-1, and Z-1 instead. But that's not true for all of the scientists, and some of them may be unhappy that they are not getting everything they want, but happy that they are getting something. It's a matter of how much some people complain, because just about everybody can complain.

I think that this issue of "ownership" of the science requirements also came up with Perseverance with landing site selection, and you can probably find mention of that in the Perseverance threads. There the issue was who had the final say in where the rover landed, and it really rested with the person who ran the mission based on engineering considerations.

And if you take a broad enough perspective, and look at historical examples, you will find that this kind of stuff happened throughout the planetary space program. An example was the tradeoffs for a moveable instrument platform on Cassini vs. fixed instruments that required the spacecraft to turn and point for observations and limited simultaneous observations. The scientists wanted a moveable instrument platform. But at some point, somebody had to make a call on that, and they calculated that eliminating the platform would save a lot of money and that was more important to the program. In the end, somebody has to be authorized to make the tough calls on mission design.
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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #532 on: 02/01/2022 08:01 pm »
One unusual issue that Clipper faces is that ESA is flying a mission with a  similar instrument payload which will be operating at Jupiter at the same time. Clipper arrives 16 months before JUICE so it could theoretically take some discoveries away from the Europeans before they arrive. This would lead to questions from the press about duplication and waste. Focusing Clipper entirely on Europa and leaving Ganymede and the rest of the system to Europe is both a sensible division of effort and good politics.

In the extended mission, the Europeans will be in orbit around Ganymede so that will leave Io for Clipper. Even a single flyby should produce a big leap in knowledge about that very interesting moon.

NASA should study a couple of areas where joint observations between Clipper and JUICE might be valuable. For the magnetosphere, scheduling simultaneous measurements of magnetic field strength and plasma properties would help to understand the large scale behavior.

Also, it might be possible to transmit signals between the two spacecraft. The radars on both spacecraft operate at 9MHz, and the radio waves instrument on JUICE is also capable of observing at that frequency. Observing what happens as Jupiter or the moons pass between the two spacecraft might yield information on the properties of the atmosphere or the icy crust. JUICE also has a Ka band radio science transmitter and a laser altimeter which could be pointed towards Clipper.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #533 on: 02/01/2022 09:23 pm »
One unusual issue that Clipper faces is that ESA is flying a mission with a  similar instrument payload which will be operating at Jupiter at the same time. Clipper arrives 16 months before JUICE so it could theoretically take some discoveries away from the Europeans before they arrive. This would lead to questions from the press about duplication and waste. Focusing Clipper entirely on Europa and leaving Ganymede and the rest of the system to Europe is both a sensible division of effort and good politics.

Is this speculation? Or do have you have a basis for saying this?

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #534 on: 02/01/2022 09:48 pm »
It's speculation. I have no inside knowledge.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #535 on: 02/01/2022 11:53 pm »
JPL is responsible for the total design and has to trade payload vs spacecraft requirements.

I heard something last year while working on the planetary decadal survey and I cannot remember the specifics, but there's actually a set of guidelines about who can ultimately trade off payload--and science--for spacecraft requirements. In other words, NASA has specific rules that say that "Person X can decide that some science cannot be done and remove that from the mission in order to accomplish other mission goals." They get the last word, although they will have to justify those decisions to the associate administrator.

The context of that is important, because the scientific community has established high-level science goals for the mission, and then through a series of steps, turned those into specific science goals for the mission. And they become very attached to those goals and mad if they are not going to be achieved. But somebody actually has to make the mission work, and it is possible that something like a fuel or mass margin requires losing some of the science (not always deleting a payload, but maybe not performing observations or not allocating comm to a payload). I think that this discussion came up because of the magnetometer issue, when JPL had to accept much lower science, and members of the community were really upset and asked how they could do that, because the science requirements were clear. NASA has put in place rules that give certain people the power to do that. They have to. It's necessary when managing complex programs. I'm sure JWST operated under similar rules.


I was thinking about this a bit more and a bit more of my memory came back. The issue was over who "owns" the science requirements for a science mission. And the answer that came back from NASA was that in the end, it is the program manager (who is an engineer and not a scientist) who "owns" those requirements and can trade them off for other factors, like mission success, margins (safety, fuel, mass), etc.

When you dig really far down into Europa Clipper, you can find some scientists who are not happy with the quality of the science that the mission will do. They wanted something that would achieve X, Y, and Z, and what they're getting is something that will achieve X-1, Y-1, and Z-1 instead. But that's not true for all of the scientists, and some of them may be unhappy that they are not getting everything they want, but happy that they are getting something. It's a matter of how much some people complain, because just about everybody can complain.

I think that this issue of "ownership" of the science requirements also came up with Perseverance with landing site selection, and you can probably find mention of that in the Perseverance threads. There the issue was who had the final say in where the rover landed, and it really rested with the person who ran the mission based on engineering considerations.

And if you take a broad enough perspective, and look at historical examples, you will find that this kind of stuff happened throughout the planetary space program. An example was the tradeoffs for a moveable instrument platform on Cassini vs. fixed instruments that required the spacecraft to turn and point for observations and limited simultaneous observations. The scientists wanted a moveable instrument platform. But at some point, somebody had to make a call on that, and they calculated that eliminating the platform would save a lot of money and that was more important to the program. In the end, somebody has to be authorized to make the tough calls on mission design.
If you look at the various Clipper updates, their and the JUICE teams have been having meetings on coordinating science. That said, in a public meeting Curt N. (forget his exact role, but he is/was the HQ person for Clipper) said that non-Europa science isn't being planned. The last Decadal Survey said that what became the Clipper mission should do only Europa science and therefore no other systems studies are planned or budgeted. That includes collecting science during flybys of other moons.

However, I believe that the plan is to collect continuous fields and particles data so that the data collected at Europa can be compared to system-normal data.

(If anyone on the project reads this, corrections are welcome if needed.)

All that said, I personally won't be surprised if NASA doesn't end up budgeting some money to collect other system data, sort of an extended mission during the actual prime mission. But that is my pure speculation.

As for an Io flyby, I think that commits the spacecraft to a series of orbital pump down maneuvers that I suspect that the mission team won't want to accept as long as Europa science remains prime. Last I heard, the plan is to dispose of the spacecraft by crashing it into the surface of Ganymede. However, a former mission manager (now retired, I believe) said his personal hope was that the spacecraft would remain healthy enough to instead end the mission with a series of Io flybys and an eventual crash onto Io's surface.  Any planning for that, though would seem to be 10 to 15 years into the future. With any luck either NASA or China will fund a dedicated Io mission before then.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #536 on: 02/02/2022 12:18 am »
All that said, I personally won't be surprised if NASA doesn't end up budgeting some money to collect other system data, sort of an extended mission during the actual prime mission. But that is my pure speculation.

In my posts I did not refer in any way to non-Europa science. So you can interpret what I wrote as referring to Europa science.

Let me kinda make stuff up to further explain my point:

Suppose that a bunch of scientists determine that measuring the thickness of the ice on Europa is a #1 science goal. And suppose they also determine that in order to measure that ice thickness to 95% reliability, they have to perform 50 observations for each flyby. But the person managing the mission determines that considering things like fuel, power, comms, and other engineering factors, the best they can do is 40 observations for each flyby. And the scientists then calculate that this will only determine the ice thickness to 75% reliability, and they state that this is unacceptable. The issue is, who "owns" the science requirements? And the way the program management works, it is the program manager who owns those science requirements, and he/she gets the last word. He/she says 40 observations, full stop. And the scientists then say "that is too low, that is unacceptable." They don't overrule the program manager, because in the end, somebody has to make those decisions based upon the entirety of the mission.

Several years ago (prior to the decadal survey) I heard some grumbling like this--at least one prominent scientist who felt that the science had fallen to the point where the mission was not worth doing. But I don't know if he was right, and I have not heard anything more about that. I only mention this because I'm sure that these kinds of arguments have come up for almost every major space science mission. It's the nature of making these things happen. And I think that part of the issue is that the decadal surveys have given the scientists more say in the prioritization and a greater feeling of ownership of the results, so they get mad when they think that their interests are not being given sufficient weight.
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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #537 on: 02/02/2022 04:18 am »
On these flagship missions, there are certain appeals beyond the Program Manager to HQ.  The Program Manager is essentially under contract with SMD to deliver a mission that satisfies a set of minimum requirements.  If they’re having trouble doing that — and the science community cares — the AA can pull on levers like budget reserves, risk posture, and plain old schedule slips to fix that.  Throwing more dollars at a problem is invisible from the outside unless it requires drawing on another project’s budget.  And schedule slips are rarely noticed unless they become egregious or run up against launch windows.  But about three years ago, we did see Zurbuchen lower the risk posture on the coronagraph for WFIRST to that of technology demonstration to preserve the mission’s primary science goals.  That’s a fairly good and visible example of the kinds of puts and takes that can go on at mission reviews and milestones.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-seeks-cost-cutting-changes-in-design-of-wfirst-mission/

I’d also note that most other, non-flagship SMD missions are headed by Principal Investigators instead of Program Managers.  PIs arguably have a greater sense of personal ownership over mission science requirements (and probably their missions overall) than the PMs at JPL and GSFC.  I’m sure that leads to some different management dynamics on PI-led versus flagship missions.  (I’ve often wondered how much of the greater percentage overruns on flagships versus PI-led are due to greater mission complexity versus management model.)
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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #538 on: 02/02/2022 04:50 pm »
If they’re having trouble doing that — and the science community cares — the AA can pull on levers like budget reserves, risk posture, and plain old schedule slips to fix

That's a reminder, and maybe you know more, but I think that most major programs divide up their reserves and the program manager has some reserves, but the AA also has some reserves. So the program manager is required to fix their problems using their own reserves, but if they have to, they can appeal to the AA for some of their reserves. That's not something they do lightly, because it's the equivalent to going to the boss for more money. But those reserves are established early on.

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Re: Europa Clipper
« Reply #539 on: 02/03/2022 03:05 am »
I think that most major programs divide up their reserves and the program manager has some reserves, but the AA also has some reserves. So the program manager is required to fix their problems using their own reserves, but if they have to, they can appeal to the AA for some of their reserves. That's not something they do lightly, because it's the equivalent to going to the boss for more money.

That’s right.  For most missions in development, some percentage of reserves are held at HQ, and the PM has to have a come-to-Jesus review with the AA to access those HQ reserves.  HQ reserves are not about the money per se.  They’re really a tool to force discussions on missions that are in some trouble.

Paradoxically, there is a positive correlation between reserves (of any kind, program or HQ) and budget overruns.  The bigger your reserves, the bigger your likely budget overrun.  This is probably related to mission size and complexity, but there may be also some moral hazards associated with reserves and there is a never-ending debate over appropriate/optimal reserve levels.

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