You claimed Starliner doesn’t exist (as a backup) right now. By pointing out they could extend the CFT if they wanted, I’m demonstrating that yes, it in fact does exist as a backup capability already.
What is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)
Quote from: Robotbeat on 09/20/2022 02:06 pmYou claimed Starliner doesn’t exist (as a backup) right now. By pointing out they could extend the CFT if they wanted, I’m demonstrating that yes, it in fact does exist as a backup capability already.This reads like you are responding to my post, but I think you're referring to someone else's post.
Quote from: Targeteer on 09/30/2022 03:48 pmWhat is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)It sounds like Epps is scheduled fly on the ISS rotation in H2 2023 regardless of which of the two companies provides it, Boeing with Starliner or SpaceX with Dragon.Getting to orbit not the main goal, just something on the way to that goal, which is working on the ISS.This is as it should be, IMO.What's not clear is "Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made..." but three out of four are assigned.This sort of reads like they are assuming Starliner-1 will be delayed and Epps's seat will be filled after she flies on Dragon.
Quote from: Comga on 09/30/2022 10:08 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 09/30/2022 03:48 pmWhat is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)It sounds like Epps is scheduled fly on the ISS rotation in H2 2023 regardless of which of the two companies provides it, Boeing with Starliner or SpaceX with Dragon.Getting to orbit not the main goal, just something on the way to that goal, which is working on the ISS.This is as it should be, IMO.What's not clear is "Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made..." but three out of four are assigned.This sort of reads like they are assuming Starliner-1 will be delayed and Epps's seat will be filled after she flies on Dragon.My point is why not just assign her to a flight, period, like every other astronaut? Ever since she was mysteriously dropped from a Soyuz flight for still undisclosed reasons, her treatment by NASA has been unusual to say the least...
Quote from: Targeteer on 10/02/2022 12:43 pmQuote from: Comga on 09/30/2022 10:08 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 09/30/2022 03:48 pmWhat is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)It sounds like Epps is scheduled fly on the ISS rotation in H2 2023 regardless of which of the two companies provides it, Boeing with Starliner or SpaceX with Dragon.Getting to orbit not the main goal, just something on the way to that goal, which is working on the ISS.This is as it should be, IMO.What's not clear is "Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made..." but three out of four are assigned.This sort of reads like they are assuming Starliner-1 will be delayed and Epps's seat will be filled after she flies on Dragon.My point is why not just assign her to a flight, period, like every other astronaut? Ever since she was mysteriously dropped from a Soyuz flight for still undisclosed reasons, her treatment by NASA has been unusual to say the least...Does she have "a particular set of skills that they need"? So she would need to go up at a particular time, rather than on a particular flight, which might be delayed....
Quote from: litton4 on 10/03/2022 01:00 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 10/02/2022 12:43 pmQuote from: Comga on 09/30/2022 10:08 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 09/30/2022 03:48 pmWhat is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)It sounds like Epps is scheduled fly on the ISS rotation in H2 2023 regardless of which of the two companies provides it, Boeing with Starliner or SpaceX with Dragon.Getting to orbit not the main goal, just something on the way to that goal, which is working on the ISS.This is as it should be, IMO.What's not clear is "Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made..." but three out of four are assigned.This sort of reads like they are assuming Starliner-1 will be delayed and Epps's seat will be filled after she flies on Dragon.My point is why not just assign her to a flight, period, like every other astronaut? Ever since she was mysteriously dropped from a Soyuz flight for still undisclosed reasons, her treatment by NASA has been unusual to say the least...Does she have "a particular set of skills that they need"? So she would need to go up at a particular time, rather than on a particular flight, which might be delayed....Probably more along the lines of as a 'mission specialist' her training is more ISS focused and her ride up is less important. Thus it is easier to move her to a Dragon if the Starliner continues to be delayed. Tingle and Finke, on the other hand, are receiving craft specific training to fly Starliner and thus would not be reassigned unless the Starliner contract were cancelled.
Quote from: Cherokee43v6 on 10/03/2022 01:17 pmQuote from: litton4 on 10/03/2022 01:00 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 10/02/2022 12:43 pmQuote from: Comga on 09/30/2022 10:08 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 09/30/2022 03:48 pmWhat is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)It sounds like Epps is scheduled fly on the ISS rotation in H2 2023 regardless of which of the two companies provides it, Boeing with Starliner or SpaceX with Dragon.Getting to orbit not the main goal, just something on the way to that goal, which is working on the ISS.This is as it should be, IMO.What's not clear is "Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made..." but three out of four are assigned.This sort of reads like they are assuming Starliner-1 will be delayed and Epps's seat will be filled after she flies on Dragon.My point is why not just assign her to a flight, period, like every other astronaut? Ever since she was mysteriously dropped from a Soyuz flight for still undisclosed reasons, her treatment by NASA has been unusual to say the least...Does she have "a particular set of skills that they need"? So she would need to go up at a particular time, rather than on a particular flight, which might be delayed....Probably more along the lines of as a 'mission specialist' her training is more ISS focused and her ride up is less important. Thus it is easier to move her to a Dragon if the Starliner continues to be delayed. Tingle and Finke, on the other hand, are receiving craft specific training to fly Starliner and thus would not be reassigned unless the Starliner contract were cancelled.I have been a frequent critic of NASA's "first woman and person of color" emphasis in Artemis coverage. I suspect handling of Epps flight status follows a similar track...
Quote from: deadman1204 on 09/20/2022 05:52 pmQuote from: Robotbeat on 09/20/2022 02:06 pmYou claimed Starliner doesn’t exist (as a backup) right now. By pointing out they could extend the CFT if they wanted, I’m demonstrating that yes, it in fact does exist as a backup capability already.This reads like you are responding to my post, but I think you're referring to someone else's post.The next CCP flight is Crew-5 on 3 October. Can Starliner fly on 3 October? If no , then it's not a backup right now.
Quote from: Comga on 09/30/2022 10:08 pmQuote from: Targeteer on 09/30/2022 03:48 pmWhat is up with the administrative gymnastics of Epps status on this flight?September 30, 2022 RELEASE 22-103NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation FlightNASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT),...(snip)It sounds like Epps is scheduled fly on the ISS rotation in H2 2023 regardless of which of the two companies provides it, Boeing with Starliner or SpaceX with Dragon.Getting to orbit not the main goal, just something on the way to that goal, which is working on the ISS.This is as it should be, IMO.What's not clear is "Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made..." but three out of four are assigned.This sort of reads like they are assuming Starliner-1 will be delayed and Epps's seat will be filled after she flies on Dragon. I’m kinda surprised they didn’t give fincke the command and tingle the pilot spot based on experience but fincke was probably forced to relinquish the command spot cuz more than likely he’ll command expedition 70 on the first half. But we have yet to have that confirmed have they announced who’s commanding expedition 70, ovchinin would be my guess for the first half & fincke second half
Boeing’s Starliner – Advancing Innovative TechnologyQuote from: SpaceNews sponsored article by BoeingOne day after launching May 19 from Florida’s Space Coast on a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket, the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft docked to the International Space Station, or ISS, signifying a historic moment for the program.That moment was the first step toward next carrying astronauts to and from the space station, which will expand Starliner’s reach in low-Earth orbit and shape the future of commercial human spaceflight.What followed was ISS astronauts opening the hatch of the uncrewed Starliner and then floating inside, marking the first time the spacecraft hosted people on orbit.Starliner Mission Director LeRoy Cain had a front-row seat. The deputy program manager and director of program integration for Boeing’s Commercial Crew Program was on console at the Mission Control Center in Houston after watching the 6:54 p.m. ET launch in person a day earlier at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.
One day after launching May 19 from Florida’s Space Coast on a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket, the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft docked to the International Space Station, or ISS, signifying a historic moment for the program.That moment was the first step toward next carrying astronauts to and from the space station, which will expand Starliner’s reach in low-Earth orbit and shape the future of commercial human spaceflight.What followed was ISS astronauts opening the hatch of the uncrewed Starliner and then floating inside, marking the first time the spacecraft hosted people on orbit.Starliner Mission Director LeRoy Cain had a front-row seat. The deputy program manager and director of program integration for Boeing’s Commercial Crew Program was on console at the Mission Control Center in Houston after watching the 6:54 p.m. ET launch in person a day earlier at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.
Well, the article was written by Boeing.
QuoteDid You Know: The extendable ring ⭕️ on #Starliner's NASA Docking System (NDS) reaches out ➡️ to assist with soft capture to @Space_Station. The NDS then retracts ⬅️ for hard capture and 12 structural hooks lock 🔒 into place ensuring the vehicles are structurally sound.
Did You Know: The extendable ring ⭕️ on #Starliner's NASA Docking System (NDS) reaches out ➡️ to assist with soft capture to @Space_Station. The NDS then retracts ⬅️ for hard capture and 12 structural hooks lock 🔒 into place ensuring the vehicles are structurally sound.
QuoteNASA's Kathy Lueders says just now that Boeing could have chosen to "not do a second uncrewed flight" of Starliner. Says that decision was taken by the company's top level of management. It strikes me as wild that NASA would have gone for that, but Kathy was the boss.https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1587143140527542272?cxt=HHwWgMC8rd-R1YYsAAAA
NASA's Kathy Lueders says just now that Boeing could have chosen to "not do a second uncrewed flight" of Starliner. Says that decision was taken by the company's top level of management. It strikes me as wild that NASA would have gone for that, but Kathy was the boss.
Quote from: centaurinasa on 10/31/2022 07:51 pmQuoteNASA's Kathy Lueders says just now that Boeing could have chosen to "not do a second uncrewed flight" of Starliner. Says that decision was taken by the company's top level of management. It strikes me as wild that NASA would have gone for that, but Kathy was the boss.It's really striking to me that Boeing top level management obviously had less confidence in the Starliner team than NASA did. Probably they were still in shock of the 737 MAX mess and didn't want to get into another possible nightmare.
QuoteNASA's Kathy Lueders says just now that Boeing could have chosen to "not do a second uncrewed flight" of Starliner. Says that decision was taken by the company's top level of management. It strikes me as wild that NASA would have gone for that, but Kathy was the boss.