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Offline Rondaz

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We have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Hanwha Systems Corporation and Hanwha Defense Australia to explore the joint provision of connectivity services to the Australian defence market.

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1549651974408355841

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It's hard for me to see how the interests of a UK government looking for national technological pride (and potential GPS replacement) coincide with an Indian private telecom company presumably looking to provide satellite internet to rural Indian customers. It's a weird match, and it's also a bit strange that the UK is trumpeting this as their acquisition, their "sovereign global satellite system" -- are they an equal partner with Bharti Enterprises, since they both kicked in an equal amount for the purchase? And given that the UK and Bharti only own 90% of the company, it seems like the UK may not hold a majority equity stake.

Those statements sounded weird two years ago... now they're demonstrably false, as expected:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCAmos/status/1550822890525933569
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More on the Merger

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/23/british-satellite-champion-brink-takeover-french/#Echobox=1658643760

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Government sources, however, were insisting that this was a positive move that would guarantee the future of the loss-making company while maintaining UK involvement. They said that the UK will retain a golden share in the company, which gives it a veto over moving OneWeb’s headquarters and a first preference for future manufacturing.

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https://www.ft.com/content/c0437c6d-b807-43d9-926e-e03b857c1569
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UK and France to get board seats in planned Eutelsat and OneWeb tie-up

Bharti will hold a roughly 18 per cent share, according to two people with knowledge of the deal.

Eva Berneke, current Eutelsat chief executive, is expected to remain in her post.

The UK and French governments are expected to have similar stakes of roughly 10 per cent each. France’s stake will be held through the Banque Publique d’Investissement, a state-backed business development bank.

Britain will also retain its golden share in OneWeb, giving it a veto over sales on national security grounds, and rights over the location of the headquarters and over any technology transfer. France will also receive guarantees about the headquarters of Eutelsat.

« Last Edit: 07/24/2022 05:42 pm by alanr74 »

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It's just a 1st impression: The market doesn't like @Eutelsat_SA's proposed @OneWeb takeover. But what @defis_eu @ThierryBreton
thinks may be more important over time.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1551486760974172160

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Despite issues @Eutelsat_SA-@OneWeb deal to close by tomorrow. UK & French gov to get board seats, HQs to stay in London & Paris, ES's $500m FCF to close OW's $2-3bn funding gap, Bharti remains chairman w/ 18% stake post-merger (⇒NewCo valuation ~$7.2bn).

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1551273196498067456

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My guess is that this will probably be spiked by the US via CFIUS.  The Chinese government is the fourth largest shareholder in Eutelsat.

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https://www.eutelsat.com/en/news/press.html#/pressreleases/clarification-from-eutelsat-communications-3195609

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PRESS RELEASE - 25 JULY 2022 08:49

CLARIFICATION FROM EUTELSAT COMMUNICATIONS

Paris, 25 July 2022 – Following recent market rumors, Eutelsat Communications (Euronext Paris: ETL) confirms that it has engaged in discussions with its co-shareholders in OneWeb regarding a potential all-share combination to create a global leader in Connectivity with complementary GEO/LEO activities.

The combined entity would be the first multi-orbit satellite operator offering integrated GEO and LEO solutions and would be uniquely positioned to address a booming ~$16bn (2030) Satellite Connectivity market. OneWeb is one of the two only global LEO networks and has experienced strong momentum over recent months, with service expected to be fully deployed in 2023.

The transaction would represent a logical next step in the successful partnership between Eutelsat and OneWeb, started with Eutelsat’s equity investment in OneWeb in April 2021 and deepened with the Global Distribution Agreement announced in March 2022. Eutelsat currently holds 23% of OneWeb’s share capital, alongside a consortium of high-profile public and private investors.

Under the terms of the transaction being discussed, Eutelsat and OneWeb shareholders would each hold 50% of the combined group’s shares.

The transaction would be structured as a contribution by OneWeb’s shareholders of their stake in OneWeb to Eutelsat in exchange for newly issued Eutelsat shares. Any combination would be subject to, among other conditions, approval by the requisite majority of Eutelsat shareholders and receipt of all relevant antitrust and regulatory (including foreign investment) approvals.

There can be no assurance that these discussions will result in any agreement. Eutelsat will inform the market as soon as soon as there are any new developments.


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My guess would be the 3% share the Chinese investment is worth will end up being sold.

There is no strategic value to it and it is diluted enough that they have no say or power in the direction of oneweb.

It is mearly an investment to make money at this point.

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It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

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The shareholders wont be happy, they wont be paid a dividend for two years, as that money is funding the MKII satellites.

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Satellite operators Eutelsat and OneWeb announce merger.

French and British satellite operators Eutelsat and OneWeb announce merger.

10:13 07/26/2022 (updated: 11:06 07/26/2022)

MOSCOW, July 26 - RIA Novosti. French and British satellite operators Eutelsat and OneWeb have announced a merger, according to a press release from Eutelsat.

Eutelsat Communications and OneWeb 's key shareholders have signed a memorandum of understanding to create the world's leading satellite communications player. It is specified that Eutelsat will eventually combine its 36 geostationary satellites with 648 OneWeb satellites in low Earth orbit, 428 of which are currently in orbit.

The merger is expected to be completed by the end of the first half of next year and will be structured as an exchange of OneWeb shares by its shareholders (except Eutelsat) for new shares issued by Eutelsat, so that Eutelsat will eventually own 100% of OneWeb shares (excluding the "special share" of the government Great Britain). And OneWeb shareholders will receive 230 million newly issued Eutelsat shares, representing 50% of the increased share capital.

https://ria.ru/20220726/sputnik-1804945855.html

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It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

A further 15% stock price drop today, for a total of a 32% drop overall.  A very negative response from capital.

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It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

A further 15% stock price drop today, for a total of a 32% drop overall.  A very negative response from capital.
I do wonder if this is actually that good a deal. Is it just a response to Starlink and nothing else.

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It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

A further 15% stock price drop today, for a total of a 32% drop overall.  A very negative response from capital.
I do wonder if this is actually that good a deal. Is it just a response to Starlink and nothing else.

It certainly shows how people think about Onewebs potential. Starlink will probably make ~2 billion in revenue by the end of the year and is the biggest part of SpaceX >$100 billion valuation, Oneweb gets treated like an overpriced cash sink even at $3 billion.
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Offline eeergo

Or maybe "the market" is seeing through what megaconstellations might actually really be, stripping away the varnish: not such a good investment, or even concept.

After all, from the horse's mouth: "Starlink V1, by itself, is financially weak". OneWeb as currently conceived is an already-bailed-out, strongly politicized, weak version of Starlink V1.
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Or maybe "the market" is seeing through what megaconstellations might actually really be, stripping away the varnish: not such a good investment, or even concept.

After all, from the horse's mouth: "Starlink V1, by itself, is financially weak". OneWeb as currently conceived is an already-bailed-out, strongly politicized, weak version of Starlink V1.
There is a good technical case for an integrated GEO/LEO system. You can offer global service pretty much immediately from GEO and then build out your LEO gateways to offload the traffic in higher-density areas. This would require suitable terminals and a fair amount of software. I have no idea if OneTelsat (EutelWeb?) could or would try this.

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Or maybe "the market" is seeing through what megaconstellations might actually really be, stripping away the varnish: not such a good investment, or even concept.

After all, from the horse's mouth: "Starlink V1, by itself, is financially weak". OneWeb as currently conceived is an already-bailed-out, strongly politicized, weak version of Starlink V1.
There is a good technical case for an integrated GEO/LEO system. You can offer global service pretty much immediately from GEO and then build out your LEO gateways to offload the traffic in higher-density areas. This would require suitable terminals and a fair amount of software. I have no idea if OneTelsat (EutelWeb?) could or would try this.

Maybe, but no idea if the constellation densities required are worth it, or the threshold user densities for LEO-on-GEO backup to be worthwhile plausible, given megaconstellations aim for isolated, low-density traffic - not to mention the latencies offered would wildly vary.
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Does folks think the demise of PM Boris Johnson have any effects on the support of OneWeb by the UK government?

1. He's not actually gone anywhere yet.
2. It was the brainchild of Dominic Cummings, who has been persona non grata for a long time now
3. $500m is *not* a lot of money to this government. They've just spent $150m to send 200 refugees to Rwanda... who didn't end up going because it was deemed unlawful.

More on topic, the OneWeb deal is simply not on the political radar any more. Hardly anybody paid attention at the time, let alone now.

Does anybody have an up to date account of who the current shareholders are, and what stakes they hold?
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