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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2240 on: 07/13/2022 10:01 am »
OneWeb backs up Starlink 5G interference warning..

https://twitter.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1546993071275081728

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2241 on: 07/21/2022 06:33 am »
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1549961916344582144

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OneWeb SL0251 reentered sometime between 1100 and 1300 UTC Jul 20.  The satellite was never raised to the OW operational shells; orbit lowering began in May . Of 428 satellites launched, this is the second to reenter.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2242 on: 07/22/2022 10:27 am »
We have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Hanwha Systems Corporation and Hanwha Defense Australia to explore the joint provision of connectivity services to the Australian defence market.

https://twitter.com/OneWeb/status/1549651974408355841

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2243 on: 07/23/2022 01:50 pm »
It's hard for me to see how the interests of a UK government looking for national technological pride (and potential GPS replacement) coincide with an Indian private telecom company presumably looking to provide satellite internet to rural Indian customers. It's a weird match, and it's also a bit strange that the UK is trumpeting this as their acquisition, their "sovereign global satellite system" -- are they an equal partner with Bharti Enterprises, since they both kicked in an equal amount for the purchase? And given that the UK and Bharti only own 90% of the company, it seems like the UK may not hold a majority equity stake.

Those statements sounded weird two years ago... now they're demonstrably false, as expected:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCAmos/status/1550822890525933569
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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2244 on: 07/24/2022 08:15 am »
More on the Merger

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/23/british-satellite-champion-brink-takeover-french/#Echobox=1658643760

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Government sources, however, were insisting that this was a positive move that would guarantee the future of the loss-making company while maintaining UK involvement. They said that the UK will retain a golden share in the company, which gives it a veto over moving OneWeb’s headquarters and a first preference for future manufacturing.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2245 on: 07/24/2022 05:42 pm »
https://www.ft.com/content/c0437c6d-b807-43d9-926e-e03b857c1569
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UK and France to get board seats in planned Eutelsat and OneWeb tie-up

Bharti will hold a roughly 18 per cent share, according to two people with knowledge of the deal.

Eva Berneke, current Eutelsat chief executive, is expected to remain in her post.

The UK and French governments are expected to have similar stakes of roughly 10 per cent each. France’s stake will be held through the Banque Publique d’Investissement, a state-backed business development bank.

Britain will also retain its golden share in OneWeb, giving it a veto over sales on national security grounds, and rights over the location of the headquarters and over any technology transfer. France will also receive guarantees about the headquarters of Eutelsat.

« Last Edit: 07/24/2022 05:42 pm by alanr74 »

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2246 on: 07/25/2022 10:33 am »
It's just a 1st impression: The market doesn't like @Eutelsat_SA's proposed @OneWeb takeover. But what @defis_eu @ThierryBreton
thinks may be more important over time.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1551486760974172160

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2247 on: 07/25/2022 10:35 am »
Despite issues @Eutelsat_SA-@OneWeb deal to close by tomorrow. UK & French gov to get board seats, HQs to stay in London & Paris, ES's $500m FCF to close OW's $2-3bn funding gap, Bharti remains chairman w/ 18% stake post-merger (⇒NewCo valuation ~$7.2bn).

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1551273196498067456

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2248 on: 07/25/2022 04:34 pm »
My guess is that this will probably be spiked by the US via CFIUS.  The Chinese government is the fourth largest shareholder in Eutelsat.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2249 on: 07/25/2022 06:26 pm »
https://www.eutelsat.com/en/news/press.html#/pressreleases/clarification-from-eutelsat-communications-3195609

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PRESS RELEASE - 25 JULY 2022 08:49

CLARIFICATION FROM EUTELSAT COMMUNICATIONS

Paris, 25 July 2022 – Following recent market rumors, Eutelsat Communications (Euronext Paris: ETL) confirms that it has engaged in discussions with its co-shareholders in OneWeb regarding a potential all-share combination to create a global leader in Connectivity with complementary GEO/LEO activities.

The combined entity would be the first multi-orbit satellite operator offering integrated GEO and LEO solutions and would be uniquely positioned to address a booming ~$16bn (2030) Satellite Connectivity market. OneWeb is one of the two only global LEO networks and has experienced strong momentum over recent months, with service expected to be fully deployed in 2023.

The transaction would represent a logical next step in the successful partnership between Eutelsat and OneWeb, started with Eutelsat’s equity investment in OneWeb in April 2021 and deepened with the Global Distribution Agreement announced in March 2022. Eutelsat currently holds 23% of OneWeb’s share capital, alongside a consortium of high-profile public and private investors.

Under the terms of the transaction being discussed, Eutelsat and OneWeb shareholders would each hold 50% of the combined group’s shares.

The transaction would be structured as a contribution by OneWeb’s shareholders of their stake in OneWeb to Eutelsat in exchange for newly issued Eutelsat shares. Any combination would be subject to, among other conditions, approval by the requisite majority of Eutelsat shareholders and receipt of all relevant antitrust and regulatory (including foreign investment) approvals.

There can be no assurance that these discussions will result in any agreement. Eutelsat will inform the market as soon as soon as there are any new developments.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2251 on: 07/26/2022 07:13 am »
My guess would be the 3% share the Chinese investment is worth will end up being sold.

There is no strategic value to it and it is diluted enough that they have no say or power in the direction of oneweb.

It is mearly an investment to make money at this point.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2252 on: 07/26/2022 08:40 am »
It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2253 on: 07/26/2022 09:28 am »
The shareholders wont be happy, they wont be paid a dividend for two years, as that money is funding the MKII satellites.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2254 on: 07/26/2022 09:54 am »
Satellite operators Eutelsat and OneWeb announce merger.

French and British satellite operators Eutelsat and OneWeb announce merger.

10:13 07/26/2022 (updated: 11:06 07/26/2022)

MOSCOW, July 26 - RIA Novosti. French and British satellite operators Eutelsat and OneWeb have announced a merger, according to a press release from Eutelsat.

Eutelsat Communications and OneWeb 's key shareholders have signed a memorandum of understanding to create the world's leading satellite communications player. It is specified that Eutelsat will eventually combine its 36 geostationary satellites with 648 OneWeb satellites in low Earth orbit, 428 of which are currently in orbit.

The merger is expected to be completed by the end of the first half of next year and will be structured as an exchange of OneWeb shares by its shareholders (except Eutelsat) for new shares issued by Eutelsat, so that Eutelsat will eventually own 100% of OneWeb shares (excluding the "special share" of the government Great Britain). And OneWeb shareholders will receive 230 million newly issued Eutelsat shares, representing 50% of the increased share capital.

https://ria.ru/20220726/sputnik-1804945855.html

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2255 on: 07/26/2022 02:42 pm »
It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

A further 15% stock price drop today, for a total of a 32% drop overall.  A very negative response from capital.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2256 on: 07/26/2022 03:42 pm »
It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

A further 15% stock price drop today, for a total of a 32% drop overall.  A very negative response from capital.
I do wonder if this is actually that good a deal. Is it just a response to Starlink and nothing else.

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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2257 on: 07/26/2022 04:09 pm »
It doesn’t appear that the deal is very popular with Eutelsat shareholders.

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Investor reaction to the deal was negative on Monday, with Eutelsat shares dropping 18% after announcing deal talks. Shares remained flat on Tuesday. Eutelsat will also suspend its dividend for two years after this year, to help pay for the next generation of OneWeb’s satellite launches.

The merger presents concerns around short-term cash burn and government contracts, Deutsche Bank analyst Roshan Ranjit said in a research note.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/eutelsat-oneweb-agree-3-4-billion-deal-to-create-spacex-rival

A further 15% stock price drop today, for a total of a 32% drop overall.  A very negative response from capital.
I do wonder if this is actually that good a deal. Is it just a response to Starlink and nothing else.

It certainly shows how people think about Onewebs potential. Starlink will probably make ~2 billion in revenue by the end of the year and is the biggest part of SpaceX >$100 billion valuation, Oneweb gets treated like an overpriced cash sink even at $3 billion.
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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2258 on: 07/26/2022 04:49 pm »
Or maybe "the market" is seeing through what megaconstellations might actually really be, stripping away the varnish: not such a good investment, or even concept.

After all, from the horse's mouth: "Starlink V1, by itself, is financially weak". OneWeb as currently conceived is an already-bailed-out, strongly politicized, weak version of Starlink V1.
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Re: OneWeb constellation
« Reply #2259 on: 07/26/2022 04:58 pm »
Or maybe "the market" is seeing through what megaconstellations might actually really be, stripping away the varnish: not such a good investment, or even concept.

After all, from the horse's mouth: "Starlink V1, by itself, is financially weak". OneWeb as currently conceived is an already-bailed-out, strongly politicized, weak version of Starlink V1.
There is a good technical case for an integrated GEO/LEO system. You can offer global service pretty much immediately from GEO and then build out your LEO gateways to offload the traffic in higher-density areas. This would require suitable terminals and a fair amount of software. I have no idea if OneTelsat (EutelWeb?) could or would try this.

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