Russian Orbital Station (ROS) Development

[Nicolas PILLET]

The information noise in the Russian space programme (and beyond) continues...

The situation is very clear, but not in the English-language media, which like to invent noise on these matters

Nauka (and only Nauka) will be taken from the ISS.
NEM will be launched on Proton-M from Baikonur.
UUM and ShM modules will be launched on Soyuz-2.1b from Baikonur.
Crew and cargos will be launched on standard Soyuz MS/Progress MS from Baikonur.
And that's all.
No other modules, no Oryol, no Angara, no Vostochnyi.

[JSz]

No other modules, no Oryol, no Angara, no Vostochnyi.

If so, Russia remains with its achievements from the 1960s and 1970s.

[Nicolas PILLET]

No other modules, no Oryol, no Angara, no Vostochnyi.

If so, Russia remains with its achievements from the 1960s and 1970s.

In part, yes. Except NEM.

[owais.usmani]

So is Oryol fully cancelled or just delayed?

[Nicolas PILLET]

So is Oryol fully cancelled or just delayed?

It has a budget of zero ruble for years 2026 to 2028. But I don't know if it has been officially cancelled or not.

[marcdrnl]

Nauka (and only Nauka) will be taken from the ISS.

Nauka with Prichal or only Nauka ?

[Nighthawk117]

It now sounds like only Nauka will be undocked.  But, this raises some questions.

1. Nauka is a module with a toilet and one Electron oxygen generating system.

2. Prichal is a docking port with 6 ports, 2 are in use, the other 4 are not.

3. Prichal must be undocked by a Progress before Nauka is undocked.

4. What is the status of UUM (Prichal 2) I've never seen a photo of it.

5. Prichal is their newest module on the ISS.  Is its structural design that bad?
      Is the engineering dept at Energia that bad?

6. When will Prichal be undocked?  When will Nauka be undocked?  When will UUM be launched? When will        NEM be launched?

7. Everything you have heard so far from Russian officials, is subject to change in the future.

[big_gazza]

Nauka (and only Nauka) will be taken from the ISS.
NEM will be launched on Proton-M from Baikonur.
UUM and ShM modules will be launched on Soyuz-2.1b from Baikonur.
Crew and cargos will be launched on standard Soyuz MS/Progress MS from Baikonur.
And that's all.
No other modules, no Oryol, no Angara, no Vostochnyi.

Could you please advise what you mean by "No other modules, no Oryol, no Angara, no Vostochnyi"?

There will be follow-on modules once ROS is established, and these will be lofted by A-5M from Vostochny. Are you suggesting that ROS will never be more than NEM + Nauka + UUM?

So is Oryol fully cancelled or just delayed?

It has a budget of zero ruble for years 2026 to 2028. But I don't know if it has been officially cancelled or not.

Oryol is low priority as Soyuz is adequate for LEO operations, but what are the sources for this claim?  Are they authoritative, or just more pointless conjecture from somewhere like Novosti Kosmonavtiki?

[catdlr]

Can all of you move this kind of political discussion out of this area before the thread gets locked?

Moderator:

Thank you, Eric. I was waiting in the bleachers for someone to issue a red card on the field. I have now removed that inappropriate content.

To the others listed above, please refrain from engaging in that type of discussion here in the future.  I'm not taking sides; it's just not appropriate here.

Continue one.  I'll return to the bleachers.

Tony

[Nicolas PILLET]

Nauka (and only Nauka) will be taken from the ISS.

Nauka with Prichal or only Nauka ?

Only Nauka.

[Nicolas PILLET]

4. What is the status of UUM (Prichal 2) I've never seen a photo of it.

I don't know.

5. Prichal is their newest module on the ISS.  Is its structural design that bad?

There are cracks in the module's structure. It was known well before launch and does not threaten the ISS. But lifetime is shortened. That's why they can't take it to the ROS. UUM will be basicaly the same module as UM (Prichal), but without cracks.

6. When will Prichal be undocked?  When will Nauka be undocked?  When will UUM be launched? When will NEM be launched?

I don't know.

[daedalus1]

It might help the discussion if people provided a link to comment information.

[Nicolas PILLET]

Are you suggesting that ROS will never be more than NEM + Nauka + UUM?

Yes (except it will get ShM too).

Oryol is low priority as Soyuz is adequate for LEO operations, but what are the sources for this claim?  Are they authoritative, or just more pointless conjecture from somewhere like Novosti Kosmonavtiki?

My source is Russia's federal budget, accessible here: https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/

[Nicolas PILLET]

It might help the discussion if people provided a link to comment information.

My source is the official history of RKK Energiya for period 2011-2015.

[russianhalo117]

4. What is the status of UUM (Prichal 2) I've never seen a photo of it.

I don't know.

5. Prichal is their newest module on the ISS.  Is its structural design that bad?

There are cracks in the module's structure. It was known well before launch and does not threaten the ISS. But lifetime is shortened. That's why they can't take it to the ROS. UUM will be basicaly the same module as UM (Prichal), but without cracks.

6. When will Prichal be undocked?  When will Nauka be undocked?  When will UUM be launched? When will NEM be launched?

I don't know.

Per RSW Subscription content UUM is in outfitting as I posted in an earlier post and was per RKK Energiya etal.

[zubenelgenubi]

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/2016223034995036530

1. Starting with great discoveries: Roscosmos head Dmitry Bakanov at AMTExpo forum said that the orbit inclination of the planned new Russian space station #ROS was changed from 97° to 51,6° as a result of Bion-M №2 flight. ⤵️

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/2016223609669230855

It turned out that the radiation load in the polar orbit exceeds that on which the ISS is currently located. Thanks to this experiment, we were able to draw conclusions and avoid making mistakes in the inclination of the orbit that we choose." - he said. ⤵️

[big_gazza]

Radiation levels are higher in polar lattitudes? 

Who'd have thunk it?   

In further news, scientists have determined that rain is wet. 

[JSz]

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/2041000121140191262

Translation:

The first module of the Russian Space Station will be deployed in 2028, Roscosmos head Bakanov said in an interview with TASS Director-General Andrei Kondrashov:

https://tass.ru/kosmos/27010673 (this conversation is in Russian)

The full text of this interview is due to be published on 7 April, i.e. tomorrow.

In any case, the Russians are sticking to unrealistic deadlines for both the ROS and the Orel (Eagle).

[JSz]

I’ve read the full interview with the head of Roscosmos: https://tass.ru/interviews/27009217. It’s extensive, but almost nothing of substance comes out of it. Perhaps apart from the fact that more than 10 countries – though we don’t know which ones – are interested in participating in the ROS programme.

The rest is mostly propaganda: the West is jealous of Russia’s ROS programme, Russia is a space power and without Russia the Americans won’t achieve much in space, and even slightly veiled support for the aggression against Ukraine.

Meanwhile, today the TASS news agency published a brief report, the main part of which reads as follows in English (https://tass.ru/kosmos/27044279):

The Russian orbital station could be fully operational by 2034. This was announced by Vladimir Kozhevnikov, Deputy Chief Designer of the Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) Energia (part of Roscosmos) and Chief Designer of ROS.

[big_gazza]

... and even slightly veiled support for the aggression against Ukraine.

Hmmm... and here we have the real source of the criticism. Sorry, but I'm not much interested in the opinions of someone who can't (or won't) recognise the root causes of the conflict in Ukraine.  Sounds to me like the criticism is simply based on the fact that Russians are... Russian.

BTW the ROS fully operational in 2034 would be reasonable if the first elemenst are lofted in 2028 as planned. I would not consider a 6-year program as excessive.  Russia isn't China who built Tiangong in 18 months... however neither is the USA if truth be told, and the demise of the Lunar Gateway tends to underline this fact.  I have close to zero confidence that "commercial stations" will prove to be any sort of replacement for the ISS.  This switch is driven solely by ideology that private enterprise (profit making and rent-seeking is always better than publically owned services delivered at-cost) will improve "efficiency" or "cost effectiveness" when in reality they will operate no better and will be more expensive due to the overriding profit motive.  Was private Boeing capsule better than NASA-developed Orion?  Manned space generates no real revenue other than taxpayer monies spent to generate activities. Take away the government funds and these "private stations" suddenly have no feasible business plan...