Author Topic: Where will BFR be built? (Read 241992 times)

envy887 · « **Reply #240 on:** 10/23/2017 01:41 pm »

Quote from: alexterrell on 10/21/2017 06:58 pm

I'd only saw the area marked in Yellow, which is too narrow to turn around a BFR - though I still don't see why you would want to turn it around.

Isn't that where they currently dock JRTI?

nacnud · « **Reply #241 on:** 10/23/2017 01:44 pm »

Yep, it was the only story I could find on SpaceX and LA port, but I thought it was relevant.

Jim · « **Reply #242 on:** 10/24/2017 07:04 pm »

Quote from: Nydoc on 10/15/2017 02:38 pm

Building BFRs in LA Harbor and shipping to Vandenberg is currently problematic. From what I can tell the nearest port to Vandenberg is Santa Barbara Harbor. Moving these 9 meter diameter spaceships and cores from Santa Barbara Harbor to VAFB will not happen.

Really? How did Shuttle ET's get to Vandenberg?

oldAtlas_Eguy · « **Reply #243 on:** 10/24/2017 07:45 pm »

Quote from: Jim on 10/24/2017 07:04 pm

Quote from: Nydoc on 10/15/2017 02:38 pm

Building BFRs in LA Harbor and shipping to Vandenberg is currently problematic. From what I can tell the nearest port to Vandenberg is Santa Barbara Harbor. Moving these 9 meter diameter spaceships and cores from Santa Barbara Harbor to VAFB will not happen.

Really? How did Shuttle ET's get to Vandenberg?

A sea port was created to receive the barge carrying the ET and as well the tugs bringing back the boosters. As far as I know those facilities (PORT) are in use by the Coast Guard as well as being used by SpaceX ASDS to return the booster back to the launch site.

Coastal Ron · « **Reply #244 on:** 10/24/2017 08:03 pm »

Quote from: oldAtlas_Eguy on 10/24/2017 07:45 pm

A sea port was created to receive the barge carrying the ET and as well the tugs bringing back the boosters. As far as I know those facilities (PORT) are in use by the Coast Guard as well as being used by SpaceX ASDS to return the booster back to the launch site.

Must not be very big, since I didn't notice them on a satellite view of the coastline. Any idea where it is/was?

nacnud · « **Reply #245 on:** 10/24/2017 08:32 pm »

Here? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@34.555894,-120.6082481,1044m/data=!3m1!1e3

catdlr · « **Reply #246 on:** 10/24/2017 11:58 pm »

Quote from: nacnud on 10/24/2017 08:32 pm

Here?

Correct and here is a video example of a core stage unloading operations at this port....

Delta Mariner Time Lapse Nov 5, 2014

30th Space Wing, Vandenberg AFB
Published on Nov 12, 2014

Time-lapse video of the cargo ship MV Delta Mariner arriving, offloading, and departing the Vandenberg AFB dock on Nov. 5, 2014, Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif. The MV Delta Mariner made its way from a production facility in Decatur, Ala., to deliver a United Launch Alliance Delta IV rocket, scheduled to launch in 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMGCcVqACZ4?t=001

Space Ghost 1962 · « **Reply #247 on:** 10/27/2017 04:16 am »

Quote from: oldAtlas_Eguy on 10/24/2017 07:45 pm

Quote from: Jim on 10/24/2017 07:04 pm
Quote from: Nydoc on 10/15/2017 02:38 pm

Building BFRs in LA Harbor and shipping to Vandenberg is currently problematic. From what I can tell the nearest port to Vandenberg is Santa Barbara Harbor. Moving these 9 meter diameter spaceships and cores from Santa Barbara Harbor to VAFB will not happen.

Really? How did Shuttle ET's get to Vandenberg?
A sea port was created to receive the barge carrying the ET and as well the tugs bringing back the boosters. As far as I know those facilities (PORT) are in use by the Coast Guard as well as being used by SpaceX ASDS to return the booster back to the launch site.

~~Port Hueneme, near Oxnard. Carried by a transporter onto the base.~~

This article is mostly correct on the subject:
The Space Shuttle’s Military Launch Complex In California That Never Was

add:

More useful:

Currently used to offload from the Delta Mariner:
Vandenberg South Harbot

(I can't find the pile of documentation that referred to the sequencing of the program at Vandenberg, so I've relied on faulty memory - I can remember better the details of the ALT tests because it involved me directly, and I was rather frakked off with a certain unpleasant AF general who didn't believe in automated landings by software. IIRC it went into port, was prepared for debarkation, and then towed by tug via barge to a bunch of pilings and ramp that was called a harbor. Four of them this way, later out.)

catdlr · « **Reply #248 on:** 10/27/2017 04:52 am »

Quote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 10/27/2017 04:16 am

Quote from: oldAtlas_Eguy on 10/24/2017 07:45 pm
Quote from: Jim on 10/24/2017 07:04 pm
Quote from: Nydoc on 10/15/2017 02:38 pm

Building BFRs in LA Harbor and shipping to Vandenberg is currently problematic. From what I can tell the nearest port to Vandenberg is Santa Barbara Harbor. Moving these 9 meter diameter spaceships and cores from Santa Barbara Harbor to VAFB will not happen.

Really? How did Shuttle ET's get to Vandenberg?
A sea port was created to receive the barge carrying the ET and as well the tugs bringing back the boosters. As far as I know those facilities (PORT) are in use by the Coast Guard as well as being used by SpaceX ASDS to return the booster back to the launch site.

Port Hueneme, near Oxnard. Carried by a transporter onto the base.

BFR carried from Port Hueneme to VAFB??. I don't think so. I travel that route a lot. State 101/1 is the only route and there are way too many very old and very low bridges along the way let alone the mountain tunnel just north of Gaviota Beach. Port Hueneme is a great port for transport of equipment for missile testing at Point Magu NAS.

Nydoc · « **Reply #249 on:** 10/27/2017 12:04 pm »

Quote from: catdlr on 10/20/2017 10:29 pm

Quote from: Dave G on 10/20/2017 09:50 am
Quote from: alexterrell on 10/20/2017 09:29 am
That size of factory won't fit on the plot of land indicated up post...

Which plot of land do you mean? At least 3 have been mentioned up-thread.

Dave didn't I read above that the area SpaceX is interested is in the area highlighted in Red?

SpaceX is doubling their footprint at the Port of LA already. However the new area is just north of their current spot. This will be for Falcon 9 operations.

IntoTheVoid · « **Reply #250 on:** 10/27/2017 02:00 pm »

Quote from: Nydoc on 10/27/2017 12:04 pm

SpaceX is doubling their footprint at the Port of LA already. However the new area is just north of their current spot. This will be for Falcon 9 operations.

Parcel 6 looks peculiar; 72 sqft in the middle of the road divider.
Is it known/plausible that this is possibly an achor point for a guy wire when a returned booster is sitting in its fixed stand?

catdlr · « **Reply #251 on:** 10/27/2017 09:56 pm »

here is a link search for additional information on the Los Angeles Port Authority website:

https://www.portoflosangeles.org/idx_search.asp?q=spacex

A question for Nydoc, a couple of the pictures you provided looks like it came from a video. Can you provide that to us and you have a link to it?

deruch · « **Reply #252 on:** 10/28/2017 06:37 am »

Quote from: IntoTheVoid on 10/27/2017 02:00 pm

Quote from: Nydoc on 10/27/2017 12:04 pm
SpaceX is doubling their footprint at the Port of LA already. However the new area is just north of their current spot. This will be for Falcon 9 operations.

Parcel 6 looks peculiar; 72 sqft in the middle of the road divider.
Is it known/plausible that this is possibly an achor point for a guy wire when a returned booster is sitting in its fixed stand?

Yes. That's what it is for. From the amendment:
https://www.portoflosangeles.org/Board/2017/February%202017/020217_Regular_Agenda_Item_2_Transmittal_2.pdf

rsdavis9 · « **Reply #253 on:** 10/29/2017 11:11 am »

link

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-marina-del-rey-office-lease-playa-vista/

Damn close to a port...
Just a few bridges in the way.

catdlr · « **Reply #254 on:** 10/29/2017 03:19 pm »

Quote from: rsdavis9 on 10/29/2017 11:11 am

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-marina-del-rey-office-lease-playa-vista/

Damn close to a port...
Just a few bridges in the way.

I live just two blocks away from that building. It's not that big. It was a former telemarketer center. It's a bit smaller than a Home Depot and not as high roof line. Talk here that it will be a Telesa Model 3 distribution point for the Santa Monica store or customer service center for them. I'll keep you posted as I drive by that building daily. P.S. There are no bridges between there and the Marina del Rey port.

Dave G · « **Reply #255 on:** 10/29/2017 08:42 pm »

From what I understand, Tesla and SpaceX are totally separate companies. Different investors. One is public, the other private VC.

The only similarity is the man at the top.

As an example of the difference, SpaceX's relationship with Texas is very good, while Tesla is basically blocked from selling in Texas.

Elon has to wear different hats.

So a building that's leased by Tesla probably wouldn't be used to build BFR.

docmordrid · « **Reply #256 on:** 10/30/2017 06:17 am »

On the other hand, there is some level of cross pollination going on between Tesla and SpaceX,

https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/02/spacex-helped-tesla-with-a-huge-headache-in-its-cars/

It wouldn't surprise me one little bit to see Tesla have its own facility for developing SpaceX motorized devices, robots, and other vehicles.

Dave G · « **Reply #257 on:** 10/30/2017 11:20 am »

Quote from: docmordrid on 10/30/2017 06:17 am

On the other hand, there is some level of cross pollination going on between Tesla and SpaceX,

https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/02/spacex-helped-tesla-with-a-huge-headache-in-its-cars/

It wouldn't surprise me one little bit to see Tesla have its own facility for developing SpaceX motorized devices, robots, and other vehicles.

Sharing ideas is one thing. Sharing cash is another.

There are many cases where different companies have some meetings and share ideas.

But to have a facility that's leased by Tesla and used by SpaceX, I'm sure some Tesla share holders wouldn't be happy about that.

In any case, as catdlr says, the facility in question doesn't appear to be big enough to build BFR.

aero · « **Reply #258 on:** 10/30/2017 01:41 pm »

It's a real stretch but Tesla sub-lease to SpaceX might be an option. But Why?

Nydoc · « **Reply #259 on:** 10/30/2017 01:45 pm »

Quote from: catdlr on 10/27/2017 09:56 pm

here is a link search for additional information on the Los Angeles Port Authority website:

https://www.portoflosangeles.org/idx_search.asp?q=spacex

A question for Nydoc, a couple of the pictures you provided looks like it came from a video. Can you provide that to us and you have a link to it?

Certainly. Videos of board meetings and planning commission meetings for the Port of Los Angeles are here: https://www.portoflosangeles.org/commission/videos.asp

You can click the "Audio/Video" link for the Feb 2, 2017 board meeting. In the pop-up window you can click in the bottom left on the 2nd resolution item to jump to the appropriate time stamp (should be about 1:39:00 in the video).

This isn't the only board meeting video where SpaceX is discussed. You can find other relevant dates if you're interested by doing a search like this one: https://www.google.com/search?q=spacex+site%3Aportoflosangeles.org