When will NASA release the source selection document? They said it would be after SNC was briefed, they've obviously been briefed.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/26/2014 10:06 pmQuote from: mkent on 09/26/2014 10:01 pmThere goes 2017. We'll be lucky to hit 2018 now.QuoteIt was almost universally expected that NASA would select Dream Chaser alongside SpaceX’s Dragon V2...Universally expected? No. Not even close. It was expected only by casual observers. Aerospace professionals expected Boeing and SpaceX (in that order) with Sierra Nevada a very distant third.I wouldn't call the large amount of people I know as "casual observers" so you're inaccurate to make such a representation.I'm trying to be polite while differentiating between aerospace engineers and the general public. It's at least as accurate as "...almost universally expected..."Talking to other aerospace engineers throughout the industry, one phrase regarding SpaceX and Sierra Nevada kept coming up regarding Commercial Crew, "They don't know what they don't know." SpaceX earned the second spot with cargo Dragon. Sierra Nevada has flown nothing remotely comparable.
Quote from: mkent on 09/26/2014 10:01 pmThere goes 2017. We'll be lucky to hit 2018 now.QuoteIt was almost universally expected that NASA would select Dream Chaser alongside SpaceX’s Dragon V2...Universally expected? No. Not even close. It was expected only by casual observers. Aerospace professionals expected Boeing and SpaceX (in that order) with Sierra Nevada a very distant third.I wouldn't call the large amount of people I know as "casual observers" so you're inaccurate to make such a representation.
There goes 2017. We'll be lucky to hit 2018 now.QuoteIt was almost universally expected that NASA would select Dream Chaser alongside SpaceX’s Dragon V2...Universally expected? No. Not even close. It was expected only by casual observers. Aerospace professionals expected Boeing and SpaceX (in that order) with Sierra Nevada a very distant third.
It was almost universally expected that NASA would select Dream Chaser alongside SpaceX’s Dragon V2...
QuoteI guess this means, that all CCtCap work is stopped for now?NASA will likely issue a stop-work order on Monday, if not earlier.QuoteThey now need to continue their program on their own for the coming 3 months.I don't think that's allowed during a protest.
I guess this means, that all CCtCap work is stopped for now?
They now need to continue their program on their own for the coming 3 months.
NASA can't just give the CCtCap entrants some funding and expect them to produce certified vehicles by 2017. They need to fully fund them, not only for development but for some crew flights, because the value of those crew missions are costed in to the price to help pay for development. If they cut Boeing and and SpaceX by 33% each to pay for SNC, that guarantees nothing flies. Even if they came up with an additional 3B for DC, then they have to divide the crew flights 3 ways instead of 2, making those seats cost a whole lot more than Soyuz.
Let's see the selection committee explain, in intimate and everlasting detail how and why they came to their conclusions.
I would argue that different missions are available, and that there's good reason to have different vehicles. DC can act as a rapid-rescue vehicle, a low-g reentry vehicle, and a quick-return of experiments vehicle. All of them can act as taxis to move people up and down.
I don't know about Boeing, but there's no way SpaceX and SNC would need full $2.6b and $3.3b commitments to fly. They are both deeply invested in and heavily committed to these vehicles. Actually, I'd expect to see manned launches from both of them eventually even if NASA "down-selected" to zero further development support and offered only to buy flights on proven crew vehicles, and only if they could beat the Soyuz price.If Boeing can't say the same, they shouldn't have even been in the running. Subsidies have an ugly dark side. They should be spread out fairly and used to hurry things along that the market was doing anyway, not concentrated and spent creating artificial propped-up obstacles to true free-market products.
Plus it probably has more down cargo capacity then any other vehicle.The volume is comparable to the standard version of Cygnus.
CCtCap work will stop, if anyone's started. All three companies will continue to work on their CCiCap milestones. SNC will probably announce CDR completion some time fairly soon, and they'll probably do another flight test or two. GAO has 100 days to make a judgement, but given the price disparity it's a serious protest.
Boeing: $4.2 BillionSNC: $3.3 BillionSpaceX: $2.6 Billion
CCtCap rumor1: Was to be SpaceX/SNC at about $5b total until the announcement delay about 2 wks ago. [...]10:29 AM - 17 Sep 2014
Quote from: bunker9603 on 09/26/2014 11:24 pmIf SNC prevails with their law suit, what would that mean for Space X? (Assuming Boeing is untouchable in all this)Boeing is not untouchable in this. Nor are they unassailable, as another poster claimed.
If SNC prevails with their law suit, what would that mean for Space X? (Assuming Boeing is untouchable in all this)
Give Boeing the same funding as SpaceX, and the remainder from the original Boeing award to SNC.
Quote from: Lars-J on 09/26/2014 11:42 pmQuote from: bunker9603 on 09/26/2014 11:24 pmIf SNC prevails with their law suit, what would that mean for Space X? (Assuming Boeing is untouchable in all this)Boeing is not untouchable in this. Nor are they unassailable, as another poster claimed.I hope your right and that's refreshing to read, but do you have any links that a none-L2 user could access? I'd love to join your opinion.
SNC must accept that they have lost the CCtCap contract and stop wasting NASA's, Boeing's, and SpaceX's time and let them get on with it.
Perhaps a solution would be to cut Boeing's award to $2.6 Billion, give the rest to SNC who can put their DC on a F9.