We're due to start new threads for the monster threads (Like "General Falcon and Dragon discussion (Thread 14) ", with the next thread "15") etc. But looking at the sections, "SpaceX Mars" seems a bit "off" to me.
May I be so bold as to suggest that a section be created in the Commercial and US Government Launch Vehicles for Dragon/Dragon 2 and the H-II Transfer Vehicle (HTV) same as the ones for SNC Dream Chaser Section and Boeing Starliner (CST-100) Section.
Here are the sections I would use, if it were up to me: * SpaceX General * SpaceX Missions * SpaceX BFR/BFS * SpaceX Mars * Starlink * SpaceX Speculation (for posts proposing other things SpaceX could do that they haven't said they are doing) * SpaceX Megathread Archive
I think BFR/BFS should have a separate section from SpaceX Mars. They are related, but there are definitely a lot of things related to BFR that have nothing to do with Mars, and also a lot of things related to Mars that aren't directly related to BFR/BFS.
I'd also propose a separate section for Starlink. That's going to be more and more important in the future, and there's already a lot of discussion around it. It's time for Starlink to have its own section, I think.
I also think a separate section for reusability has outlived its usefulness. It made sense when reusability was a research project, but now it's part of everything SpaceX does, current and future. It's no longer the best way to categorize what SpaceX does.
* SpaceX General * SpaceX Missions * SpaceX BFR/BFS * SpaceX Mars * Starlink * SpaceX Speculation (for posts proposing other things SpaceX could do that they haven't said they are doing) * SpaceX Megathread Archive
* SpaceX General* SpaceX Missions* SpaceX Vehicles* SpaceX Facilities* SpaceX Speculation* SpaceX Megathread Archive
If SpaceX Mars becomes BFR, where do old Red Dragon threads get archived? Just a thought.
SpaceX Company (or corporate? Or simply "SpaceX". Specifically/directly about it and its locations and related ventures)SpaceX Missions and Tests (anything in a mission flow start (test?) to finish (recovery/disposal)SpaceX Current Vehicles/Pads (vehicles/facilities in use or under construction? F9/F9US/Dragon/FH/BFS, 39A, 40, 4E, LZ1 ...)SpaceX Current Vehicle Recovery/Reuse (actual practice and economics of the business, effectively how does it yield)SpaceX Future/Other Vehicles (not in use or under construction (like BFR), ITS/F1/F5/BFS tanker?)SpaceX Plans and Options (include Mars, moon base, other)
Similarly, actual BFR/BFS development is fairly low-traffic. There's just not enough information flowing to fill a section. This will ramp up at the same rate that Falcon ramps down.
I think we should keep the number of sections unchanged, it's already tiresome to click through to 4 sections, I think 5+ is overkill. A lot of the proposed sections would have very little traffic, for example Starlink. Also what's wrong with having speculation/future discussion in General section?
Quote from: 2megs on 04/09/2018 11:33 amSimilarly, actual BFR/BFS development is fairly low-traffic. ...This is far from true. If you look at the first page in 'SpaceX general' almost half the threads are BFR threads...Not only that but BFR is the hottest topic in SpaceX Mars and maybe SpaceX Reuse as well...
Similarly, actual BFR/BFS development is fairly low-traffic. ...
Am I the only one wondering if this site is fast-moving enough to demand so many SpaceX subforums? Would one forum for all things SpaceX really be that bad?Maybe one for SpaceX news articles, and one for SpaceX general?The thing about categorization is it's always gonna be ambiguous; one good way to not get lost in the weeds is to create as few categories as is practicable.
Totally disagree!
* Spacex Operations and infrastructure (all the stuff about factories, production, pads, ships, barges, and other facilities and assets. Including core tracking/moving - they are operational assets now)
-SpaceX Falcon Family and Merlin (I think that now that reusability for F9 and FH is established, the Reusability section is somewhat redundant, plus it currently contains a mix of F9 and BFR and other things).
Working off suggestions and likes and my own personal opinion (counts for something ) I'm liking this. No need for a Starlink section (for now).SpaceX General.SpaceX Missions.SpaceX Facilities and Fleets (from pads to Mr. Stevens)SpaceX BFR - Earth to Deep Space (not enough for a SpaceX Mars standalone yet. BFR Earth to Earth and BFR Deep Space)SpaceX Speculation (Jury is out on that. Could it become a New Physics Section style hotbed of nonsense? Although I do like it as a relief valve for the other sections. Maybe call it something other than "Speculation"?)SpaceX Megathread (that'll fill up some more as we do the housekeeping and move some of the massive older threads).Will work on the framework over the weekend and then the work will begin where we move threads across where required. When we do we'll have a lead thread in the section to post links to threads to be moved, so we can all help out.But first, still time for thoughts.....
Quote from: Elmar Moelzer on 04/09/2018 05:58 pm-SpaceX Falcon Family and Merlin (I think that now that reusability for F9 and FH is established, the Reusability section is somewhat redundant, plus it currently contains a mix of F9 and BFR and other things).I agree with the above and think it's missing from your proposal Chris. Without it, there are a number of reusability threads (such as fairing re-use, S2 use etc) that'll end up going back to General and I wonder if General then becomes too large/unbalanced? There are plenty of Falcon threads to warrant their own section. That may reduce General somewhat, but don't see that as a bad thing.
Obviously the key thing is that people can find threads and are clear about where to start new ones (so we don't end up with duplicates in different sections).
Edit to add: expanding that last point - one danger with 'Speculation' as a separate section is that is can be hard to get consensus on where normal discussion/debate ends and speculation begins! For exanple, quite a lot about BFR is inherently speculative currently, as it's early days and not much detailed info is known/released. So which BFR threads belong in a BFR section and which in speculation? I'm all for separate speculative threads, but not sure about separate section.
I too vote against the speculation section, and to use clear titles.Someone said that 'too many sections cause confusion'. I disagree, the number isn't the real problem: it's all about title clarity.The titles of the sections should be unequivocal. Sections should not juxtapose and their name should set them apart without leaving room for interpretation A 'speculation' section would result in endless snarky, off-topic posts to move things there, discussions over what's speculation and what isn't etc.Another example is the 'Facilities and Fleets (from pads to Mr. Stevens)' section that Chris proposed. IMO this is too long and unclear. Wouldn't 'SpaceX Infrastructure' be shorter and clearer?Even ' BFR - Earth to Deep Space' should be shortened to 'SpaceX BFR' for the sake of clarity IMO. 'Earth to DS' doesn't really add anything after all.Also: this is a forum, we are here for discussion, not just for the news. Speculation is part of the discussion, and if you don't like speculation threads you can just avoid them. I don't see why we should have apartheids just because some can't stand the sight of a 'BFR SSTO' thread in the BFR section. I mean you are not forced to click on it...
Another example is the 'Facilities and Fleets (from pads to Mr. Stevens)' section that Chris proposed. IMO this is too long and unclear. Wouldn't 'SpaceX Infrastructure' be shorter and clearer?
Disagree. "Facilities and Fleets" is quite clear. By contrast, "Infrastructure" does not obviously include ships, and people looking for info on the fleet may not think to look under "infrastructure." That would be confusing, to me at least.
Quote from: Kabloona on 04/21/2018 01:57 pmDisagree. "Facilities and Fleets" is quite clear. By contrast, "Infrastructure" does not obviously include ships, and people looking for info on the fleet may not think to look under "infrastructure." That would be confusing, to me at least.Agree that infrastructure doesn't obviously include the recovery and support vessels. However, the way SpaceX is heading, "Fleets" could equally be misinterpreted as fleets of rockets. "SpaceX Infrastructure (land and sea)" might clarify that, but lacks brevity. Any other ideas?
If "SpaceX Facilities and Fleets" was coupled with a "SpaceX Vehicles and Spacecraft" section, it would be pretty clear which covered which topic.
Is the Megathreads section meant to be an archive for old threads? If so, it might be useful to call it 'Megathreads Archive' or similar.
Where will threads reside that are about setting up a SpaceX colony on Mars but aren't necessarily BFR focused? Still in the BFR section?
SpaceX Reusability
Took me a little bit to find the Boca Chica thread. I think that one deserves a "Moved" token thread, in the board=45 General group, like you do for Live coverage. Make sure the token thread has "Texas" in the name, and even better "Boca Chica", so we see it when scanning for it.So, now I add board=80 to my regular read sequence ...
Separately, considering the recent realignment of the SpaceX threads, should the "Where will BFR be built?" / Long Beach thread be moved over to the Facilities and Fleets thread group?
You may wish to consider scrapping the SpaceX Reusability section and merging all the threads into SpaceX General. There are few (semi) active threads with hardly any posts to them (probably because reusability is now a given, especially when it comes to SpaceX).
On the front page right now, there are10 starlink related posts one small sat related post plus the starlink index. It might be time for a separate starlink and satellite business sub forum
Quote from: rakaydos on 03/23/2020 09:57 amOn the front page right now, there are10 starlink related posts one small sat related post plus the starlink index. It might be time for a separate starlink and satellite business sub forumThink this deserves a bump. Starlink is ramping up rapidly and so are the number of topics. It deserves its own sub forum.
Quote from: Jansen on 10/27/2020 06:52 pmQuote from: rakaydos on 03/23/2020 09:57 amOn the front page right now, there are10 starlink related posts one small sat related post plus the starlink index. It might be time for a separate starlink and satellite business sub forumThink this deserves a bump. Starlink is ramping up rapidly and so are the number of topics. It deserves its own sub forum.Double Bump. Can't find "general SpaceX" threads in there anymore. And it's more like 20 now.
Separate topic, but since Starlink is likely to be the majority of SpaceX's revenue in a year or two, it probably makes sense to consolidate a couple of the SpaceX forum subsections and create a new Starlink subsection. The top 4 threads on this current subforum are Starlink-related....
Could not the sticky threads in the SS/SH section be realigned? Other than the "First Posters Guide" they seem to all refer to Hopper or old Articles. The currently premier prototype's update thread, and the "SS Ecosystem Tweet updates" could use that screen real estate.