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Quote from: cscott on 06/17/2016 05:52 pmNo, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo. It's way too small.
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.
Quote from: abaddon on 06/17/2016 05:53 pmQuote from: cscott on 06/17/2016 05:52 pmNo, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo. It's way too small.And the trimming is imprecise. The lights from the hangar are visible but the carrying ring to the left is cropped.It's a photo.
BLIZZARD WARNING:FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTERTHE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTERQuoteWatch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com. On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster. As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen. Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy. Gradatim Ferociter! Jeff Bezos
Watch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com. On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster. As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen. Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy. Gradatim Ferociter! Jeff Bezos
Quote from: MattMason on 06/17/2016 05:44 pmBLIZZARD WARNING:FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTERTHE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTERQuoteWatch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com. On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster. As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen. Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy. Gradatim Ferociter! Jeff BezosErrr.... Shouldn't that be the 'Infernal Weather Center' I mean Heaven isn't the one freezing over, after-all.
Quote from: Jim on 06/17/2016 06:20 pmQuote from: jpfulton314 on 06/17/2016 06:14 pmThere's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right. And, in this case I would love to be wrong. It would be so much better for all of us.Again, it is not a hardware problem. There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass. It is real easy. Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km. GSO is at 42,164 km. So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy. It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months Since people are still not understanding this is a margin and not a lack of performance issue. I have an analogy. A spacecraft is comparable to a new car and it weighs about 5500kg. Lets call the car the 5.5. The F9 is comparable to a car carrier truck.GSO is the car's final destination (home)GTO is the car dealership locationSuper-synchronous GTO is a location between the dealership and homeThe car is to be delivered to the dealership with a full tank of gas, which allows it to get home and then have a enough for 10 years of operation. (just work with me on this, since GSO spacecraft don't get refueled)So Carx has designed the F9 car carrier to deliver the 5.5 from the factory to the dealership with the car carrier having enough fuel to return back to the factory. The F9 car carrier has just come out and it is going through its test phase. It is doing some test runs and it is going to carry cars to make revenue. It just so happens that there are no 5.5s that need to be delivered but there are some 4.1, 3.2, 4.7, etc available. Delivering these spacecraft to the dealership and returning the carrier to the factory will be no problem, just that there will be more than enough fuel left. Carx, being customer friendly, has offered to deliver these smaller cars to destinations in between home and the dealership. This way the customer will able to save some fuel and add few more years to the car's life after it gets home. Carx has done some analysis and has figured out the waypoints to deliver the cars to and allow for the F9 car carrier to return to the factory with just slightest amount of fuel left. Carx figures that will maybe lose some car carriers during this test period due to working out the margins. A few may come up short on fuel and not make it back to the factory. Carx is ok with this since they can produce car carriers cheaper than other one way car carrier producers and they are leader in trying to make reusable car carriers. Carx could just deliver the cars just to the dealership and work on returning the car carriers and figure out the margins but they rather work with their customers on where they want to be dropped off
Quote from: jpfulton314 on 06/17/2016 06:14 pmThere's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right. And, in this case I would love to be wrong. It would be so much better for all of us.Again, it is not a hardware problem. There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass. It is real easy. Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km. GSO is at 42,164 km. So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy. It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months
There's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right. And, in this case I would love to be wrong. It would be so much better for all of us.
I didn't want to add noise to the original thread, but I wanted to declare this the "Best Car Analogy in a Rocket Discussion." Ever.Quote from: Jim on 06/20/2016 05:30 pmQuote from: Jim on 06/17/2016 06:20 pmQuote from: jpfulton314 on 06/17/2016 06:14 pmThere's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right. And, in this case I would love to be wrong. It would be so much better for all of us.Again, it is not a hardware problem. There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass. It is real easy. Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km. GSO is at 42,164 km. So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy. It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months Since people are still not understanding this is a margin and not a lack of performance issue. I have an analogy. A spacecraft is comparable to a new car and it weighs about 5500kg. Lets call the car the 5.5. The F9 is comparable to a car carrier truck.GSO is the car's final destination (home)GTO is the car dealership locationSuper-synchronous GTO is a location between the dealership and homeThe car is to be delivered to the dealership with a full tank of gas, which allows it to get home and then have a enough for 10 years of operation. (just work with me on this, since GSO spacecraft don't get refueled)So Carx has designed the F9 car carrier to deliver the 5.5 from the factory to the dealership with the car carrier having enough fuel to return back to the factory. The F9 car carrier has just come out and it is going through its test phase. It is doing some test runs and it is going to carry cars to make revenue. It just so happens that there are no 5.5s that need to be delivered but there are some 4.1, 3.2, 4.7, etc available. Delivering these spacecraft to the dealership and returning the carrier to the factory will be no problem, just that there will be more than enough fuel left. Carx, being customer friendly, has offered to deliver these smaller cars to destinations in between home and the dealership. This way the customer will able to save some fuel and add few more years to the car's life after it gets home. Carx has done some analysis and has figured out the waypoints to deliver the cars to and allow for the F9 car carrier to return to the factory with just slightest amount of fuel left. Carx figures that will maybe lose some car carriers during this test period due to working out the margins. A few may come up short on fuel and not make it back to the factory. Carx is ok with this since they can produce car carriers cheaper than other one way car carrier producers and they are leader in trying to make reusable car carriers. Carx could just deliver the cars just to the dealership and work on returning the car carriers and figure out the margins but they rather work with their customers on where they want to be dropped off Party On.
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it
Quote from: kevin-rf on 06/20/2016 09:51 pmSo that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...
I wonder why they left out CRS-3.
Quote from: yokem55 on 06/21/2016 02:37 amQuote from: kevin-rf on 06/20/2016 09:51 pmSo that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...AKA the Red Tesla.
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads.
Quote from: wannamoonbase on 06/21/2016 04:40 pmCan we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. Which is the Party Thread.
Quote from: kevin-rf on 06/21/2016 06:02 pmQuote from: wannamoonbase on 06/21/2016 04:40 pmCan we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. Which is the Party Thread.My bad, I had two windows open and got my threads mixed up.Carry On.