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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #20 on: 09/29/2025 04:56 pm »
A basic calendar approximation doesn't tell the whole story.

The primary hurdle right now is commissioning of the second mobile launch platform and vertical integration facility. My estimate of December is based on when I think that will be ready.

Achieving that unlocks a significant improvement to cadence that the year-to-date trend would fail to recognize, including multiple launches in a single month, something that is impractical otherwise.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #21 on: 09/29/2025 05:54 pm »
A basic calendar approximation doesn't tell the whole story.

The primary hurdle right now is commissioning of the second mobile launch platform and vertical integration facility. My estimate of December is based on when I think that will be ready.

Achieving that unlocks a significant improvement to cadence that the year-to-date trend would fail to recognize, including multiple launches in a single month, something that is impractical otherwise.
How long does it take from start of processing in the existing VIF until launch? When does the new VIF need to begin processing its first launch until that launch occurs? My guess: the very first launch will take at least a little bit of extra time. Use this to compute the latest "opening day" for VIF-A to have any effect on the 2025 statistics.

You are correct: the past cannot be blindly used to predict the future. Is should not be ignored, either.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #22 on: 09/29/2025 06:14 pm »
A basic calendar approximation doesn't tell the whole story.

The primary hurdle right now is commissioning of the second mobile launch platform and vertical integration facility. My estimate of December is based on when I think that will be ready.

Achieving that unlocks a significant improvement to cadence that the year-to-date trend would fail to recognize, including multiple launches in a single month, something that is impractical otherwise.
How long does it take from start of processing in the existing VIF until launch? When does the new VIF need to begin processing its first launch until that launch occurs? My guess: the very first launch will take at least a little bit of extra time. Use this to compute the latest "opening day" for VIF-A to have any effect on the 2025 statistics.

You are correct: the past cannot be blindly used to predict the future. Is should not be ignored, either.

As-of a couple weeks ago:

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Q: When do you expect the first launch stacked out of VIF-A? Is it still October?
Quote from: Tory Bruno ‪@torybruno.bsky.social‬
This year
« Last Edit: 09/29/2025 06:14 pm by sstli2 »

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #23 on: 09/29/2025 06:48 pm »
A basic calendar approximation doesn't tell the whole story.

The primary hurdle right now is commissioning of the second mobile launch platform and vertical integration facility. My estimate of December is based on when I think that will be ready.

Achieving that unlocks a significant improvement to cadence that the year-to-date trend would fail to recognize, including multiple launches in a single month, something that is impractical otherwise.
How long does it take from start of processing in the existing VIF until launch? When does the new VIF need to begin processing its first launch until that launch occurs? My guess: the very first launch will take at least a little bit of extra time. Use this to compute the latest "opening day" for VIF-A to have any effect on the 2025 statistics.

You are correct: the past cannot be blindly used to predict the future. Is should not be ignored, either.

As-of a couple weeks ago:

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Q: When do you expect the first launch stacked out of VIF-A? Is it still October?
Quote from: Tory Bruno ‪@torybruno.bsky.social‬
This year
I hope he is right. He seems to be a good guy. However, that's not past experience, it's a prediction. upper-level executives in the space industry have a consistent track record of grossly over-optimistic schedule predictions. Tory may be better than average but the average is really horrible. With specific reference to VIF-A, there are dependencies on things that may be out of ULA's control, like Kuiper availability and stacking.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #24 on: 10/08/2025 02:58 pm »
Centaur V upper stage for this mission was seen passing the VAB on NSF's SpaceCoast Live camera's:
https://nsf.live/spacecoast
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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #25 on: 10/08/2025 03:00 pm »
Video version

NSF - NASASpaceflight.com@NASASpaceflight

ULA rolling what appears to be a LEO-optimized version "stubby" Centaur V, potentially for the Vulcan KV-01 mission.

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1975937812261167536
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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #26 on: 10/10/2025 05:26 pm »
Anyone care to speculate what the implications of the above are? I would have thought that this was heading towards the VIF, but isn't that transport going the wrong direction?

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Kuiper KV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : NET Fall 2025
« Reply #27 on: 11/07/2025 07:22 pm »
Looks like this wasn't cross-posted here but as of mid-September there were 3 remaining Kuiper flights planned in 2025. Since then KA-03 and KF-03 have launched bringing the total Kuiper satellites to 153 so KV-01 should bring the total to 198 which is in line with the 200 mentioned below. However, it's looking more and more unlikely that this mission is going to occur this year. ViaSat-3 F2 is still on the ground as a result of LOX valves, add in at least a few weeks to prepare GPS III SV09 (assuming it's next given the satellite shipped to the Cape), and VIF-A not being online yet makes this less likely.

https://twitter.com/JackKuhr/status/1967608505998950472?s=20 [Sep. 15]

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Kuiper update at WSBW from Ricky Freeman, President of Kuiper Govt. Services:

- 3 more launches this year
- End of year: 200 sats in orbit
- Q1 2026: continuous coverage
- End of 2026: in 26 countries
- 2027: 54 countries, full global coverage
- 2028: up to 100 countries and begin launching gen-2 constellation of an additional 3,200 sats

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https://twitter.com/Amazonleo/status/1989015616666149302?t=iYtdp15JPseizeekmxG1JA&s=19

Since Project Kuiper is now Amazon Leo, will there be a name change for previous and future missions, including this one?

For example, Amazon LV-01 instead of Kuiper KV-01.
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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : 2025?
« Reply #30 on: 12/05/2025 08:08 pm »
Stacking for this mission will start in "a few weeks" from VIF-A:

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When do you expect to start stacking the first Vulcan in VIF-A?
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A few weeks

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1995558409618563390
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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #31 on: 12/13/2025 01:45 pm »
2111-EX-ST-2025 [Dec 12]

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This STA request is for commercial satellite launches and commercial crewed launches at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station Launch Complex 41. The Atlas and Vulcan launch vehicles will be using the standard S-Band telemetry transmitter. While Atlas missions will also use the standard S-Band GPS transmitter. Trajectory data shall be provided directly to NTIA, USAF, and NASA.

Operation Start Date: 02/10/2026
Operation End Date: 08/10/2026

For Vulcan

The Vulcan missions will be launched on a North Easterly trajectory from Eastern Range (ER) Launch Complex 41 (SLC-41). Two Centaur V main engine burns using Guidance Commanded Shutdown (GCS) will place the spacecraft into a Low Earth Orbit (approximately 450 km circular at 51.9 deg inclination). The first spacecraft separation event will occur at approximately 1 hour and 10 minutes after liftoff. The separation sequence (21 events) lasts about 26 minutes. After the final separation event the Centaur V coasts for approximately 650 seconds before turning to the third burn attitude. The third burn (which occurs almost two hours after liftoff) will place the Centaur V onto a reentry trajectory to dispose of the upper stage in the Pacific Ocean. Impact occurs about two and a half hours after liftoff.

This makes a specific reference to 21 separation events. Should we be able to extrapolate the number of satellites from that number? I would have thought each event is 3 satellites, but that would imply 63 which is too high. 1 satellite would be 21 which is too low. So is the logical interpretation here that each event is 2 satellites and Vulcan will carry 42 Amazon LEO satellites per launch?

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #32 on: 12/13/2025 01:59 pm »
This makes a specific reference to 21 separation events. Should we be able to extrapolate the number of satellites from that number? I would have thought each event is 3 satellites, but that would imply 63 which is too high. 1 satellite would be 21 which is too low. So is the logical interpretation here that each event is 2 satellites and Vulcan will carry 42 Amazon LEO satellites per launch?

ULA launches first production Amazon Kuiper satellites on Atlas 5 rocket from Cape Canaveral [Apr 28]

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Bruno said they are looking at late summer for the first launch of Kuiper satellites on a Vulcan rocket, which would carry 45 Kuiper satellites on board.

Though there's some uncertainty whether that figure is out of date.
« Last Edit: 12/13/2025 02:06 pm by StraumliBlight »

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #33 on: 01/20/2026 02:18 pm »
https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/2013616312426107340

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The Vulcan mobile launch platform (VLP-A) is at the launch pad undergoing its second phase of technical testing, marking a significant milestone as we advance toward the inaugural
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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #34 on: 01/20/2026 02:40 pm »
The window on a February launch is running out...seems like this will be NET March.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #35 on: 01/20/2026 03:57 pm »
It says second phase of testing, not final. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it seems there are lots of milestones with ULA.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #36 on: 01/20/2026 08:02 pm »
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Progress toward another inaugural heavy-lift launch, as @ulalaunch preps an all-new launch platform (VLP-A) and integration facility (VIF-A) dedicated to Leo missions on Vulcan.

Payload for LV-01 is fully stacked ahead of launch, and processing is already underway for LV-02.

https://twitter.com/Amazonleo/status/2013717959529689486
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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #37 on: 02/06/2026 03:44 am »
In Amazon's filing for an extension or waiver of the 50% milestone, they stated Vulcan, Atlas V, New Glenn, and Ariane 6 delays caused ~12 months of delay to the deployment schedule and that they had planned on ~20 launches in 2025 but were only able to achieve 7. Amazon stated they either had or would have produced enough satellites to meet their schedule. Based on that it seems the slips to this mission have been due to ULAs launch priorities and/or Vulcan readiness.

Given USSF-87 is now targeting February 12th, this mission should be in late February/early March. It should be next up after USSF-87 and right before GPS III SV10 (NET March). Since it uses VIF-A while both USSF-87 & GPS III SV10 use VIF-G, it should be able to launch regardless of any potential further delays to USSF-87.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #38 on: 02/06/2026 02:07 pm »
Given:

- ULA have yet to stack and launch a Vulcan in under a month
- We have not heard an indication of the commencement of stacking
- This is the inaugural launch of a new configuration (VC6) with a new MLP

It seems to me February is out of the question, and possibly early March as well. I think you have to go with a NET of mid March.

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Re: Vulcan VC6L : Amazon Leo LV-01 : CCSFS SLC-41 : Early-2026
« Reply #39 on: 02/06/2026 03:00 pm »
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Vulcan, Atlas V, New Glenn, and Ariane 6 delays caused ~12 months of delay to the deployment schedule

This smells of Amazon trying to put the blame on the launchers and really surprising that they tried to lump Atlas in there, assuming that is not a typo on AndrewM's part since Atlas V was flying and available waiting for Amazon to get enough satellites built to fly in 2024. The only real delays with Atlas have been minor technical, weather, and range availability ones, which are typical for any rocket.

Had there been enough satellites, all eight Atlas earmarked for Kuiper/Leo could have been flown off by now and they would have nearly 300 satellites in orbit.

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