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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1620 on: 11/16/2018 03:57 pm »
It's like the Boring Company attracts puns.  The lady is literally complaining about a NIMBY issue.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1621 on: 11/16/2018 04:21 pm »
I think you mean NUMBY.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1622 on: 11/17/2018 07:48 am »
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1623 on: 11/17/2018 09:30 am »
The underground works should not be noticeable, but turning a house into a tunnel excavation sounds pretty disruptive to me.

In what way? Additional traffic? Noise? Are either of those particularly distruptive?

I was mainly referring to the construction phase, but yes, additional traffic on the scale supported by this tunnel would be disruptive.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1624 on: 11/25/2018 04:46 pm »
The underground works should not be noticeable, but turning a house into a tunnel excavation sounds pretty disruptive to me.

In what way? Additional traffic? Noise? Are either of those particularly disruptive?

I was mainly referring to the construction phase, but yes, additional traffic on the scale supported by this tunnel would be disruptive.

What makes you think this tunnel will support traffic, never mind "at scale"?

This test tunnel doesn't really go anywhere one would want to go. 
It isn't an effective shortcut between any useful points.
It wouldn't get SpaceX employees to a highway entrance.
No one would use it as a shortcut to the Hawthorne airport, because the other end is harder to get to.

TBC has said they will be experimenting with lift mechanisms there.
Now if they had a big crane working there, that could be a different kind of disruption than the highway noise, the airport flights, and the "wildlife" described in the Atlantic article.
But we don't know if that will happen, either.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1625 on: 11/26/2018 12:04 am »
The Atlantic article makes a couple of good points, such as the people along the alignment were not adequately informed, but makes a lot of bad points and misses the big picture. It is likely true that if this were done in a more affluent area the locals would object strongly and stop it, which is what happened to the extended test tunnels they were planning.

The big picture that is missing is that the degree of disruption which was demonstrated was far less than any other transportation project, and point the way to increasing the transportation capacity of the city with far less disruption than new freeways, elevated rail, or digging traditional subway lines. That is, no disruption to areas that are being tunneled under, but only where it is accessed from the surface, for the construction period. How to deal with increased traffic in and out of the tunnels is a planning issue that is relevant to actual projects, but not this test tunnel. Elon's concept of many small stations rather than a few big ones actually can mitigate the issue.

The question of racial or economic justice is a good question to ask, but is misplaced here. In many cities in the US, low income areas have been flattened or cut in half by freeway construction, but these tunnels do not require that, only the specific access points, and once built they will increase transportation options, making the areas more desirable. That itself could raise home values and price low income people out, but the idea of many inexpensive tunnels going everywhere, instead of expensive, subsidized transit lines that fewer people can benefit from could change that reality and especially benefit lower income people.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1626 on: 11/28/2018 12:59 pm »
Elon Musk’s Boring Co. drops LA Westside tunnel plan (techcrunch.com)
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“The Boring Company is no longer seeking the development of the Sepulveda test tunnel and instead seeks to construct an operational tunnel at Dodger Stadium ...”

Sounds like they've decided that the benefits of the Sepulveda test tunnel no longer outweigh the disadvantages (costs of construction and fighting in the courts) when they can just build the Dodger Stadium tunnel instead.
« Last Edit: 11/28/2018 01:00 pm by CuddlyRocket »

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1627 on: 11/28/2018 01:25 pm »
Elon Musk’s Boring Co. drops LA Westside tunnel plan (techcrunch.com)
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“The Boring Company is no longer seeking the development of the Sepulveda test tunnel and instead seeks to construct an operational tunnel at Dodger Stadium ...”

Sounds like they've decided that the benefits of the Sepulveda test tunnel no longer outweigh the disadvantages (costs of construction and fighting in the courts) when they can just build the Dodger Stadium tunnel instead.

Once again, a vocal minority stop a project that in all likelihood would have been of benefit to them?

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1628 on: 11/28/2018 02:16 pm »
This doesn't seem like a big deal.  TBC is well underway (;)) to developing a good method to get through the bureaucracy via the Dugout Loop.  And they won't be able to do much in Culver City until there are new politicians there.

Agreed with Jcc on the big picture.  It appears that the Atlantic or the reporter wanted to do a Musk/TBC hit piece.  They didn't find much bad.  I don't know why they wanted to do a hit piece.  Maybe they are doing the bidding of the unions.
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1629 on: 11/28/2018 05:58 pm »
This doesn't seem like a big deal.  TBC is well underway (;)) to developing a good method to get through the bureaucracy via the Dugout Loop.  And they won't be able to do much in Culver City until there are new politicians there.

Agreed with Jcc on the big picture.  It appears that the Atlantic or the reporter wanted to do a Musk/TBC hit piece.  They didn't find much bad.  I don't know why they wanted to do a hit piece.  Maybe they are doing the bidding of the unions.

They’ve also got a serious transit project, not a demo, going in Chicago between the block 37 station and O’Hare. Success at that would make TBC a real player. They’d have more support and encouragement in LA.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1630 on: 11/28/2018 07:28 pm »
It appears that the Atlantic or the reporter wanted to do a Musk/TBC hit piece....I don't know why they wanted to do a hit piece.

The Atlantic readership is center/left. Musk has incurred the ire of "progressives" for alleged abusive labor practices at Tesla and SpaceX, for what anti-space elements on the left perceive to be the wastefulness and social callousness of a human spaceflight program, for the elite character of Tesla products. I am not familiar with the editorial foundation of the magazine, but if any of the legacy aerospace corporations or automotive manufacturers and/or fossil fuel interests have a stake in it, they would have a reason to discredit Musk and sow a lack of confidence in his enterprises. Basically, it's likely about readership and money.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1631 on: 11/28/2018 07:38 pm »
I am not familiar with the editorial foundation of the magazine, but if any of the legacy aerospace corporations or automotive manufacturers and/or fossil fuel interests have a stake in it, they would have a reason to discredit Musk and sow a lack of confidence in his enterprises. Basically, it's likely about readership and money.

It is owned indirectly by Laurene Powell Jobs (i.e., the widow of Steve Jobs).  Don't know how much editorial control she exercises.

In any event, Musk is a darling of some on the left.  It is complicated.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1632 on: 11/28/2018 07:42 pm »
And it may be that The Boring Company has made such progress that digging at 1/10 "Garry speed" no longer advances its agenda.
Perhaps this end point is also a good place to work on the car elevator development.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1633 on: 11/29/2018 06:52 am »

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1634 on: 11/29/2018 10:12 am »

The dugout loop isn't a 'larger tunnel network'. Wonder if they'll announce additional tunnels soon.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1635 on: 11/29/2018 10:43 am »
TBC tunnel?

Video:
« Last Edit: 11/29/2018 10:48 am by jpo234 »
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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1636 on: 11/29/2018 06:31 pm »
Yes! I watched that video an hour ago and completely missed it.

It seemed so appropriately “Terminator” I didn’t think about what it actually was as a location.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1637 on: 11/29/2018 09:17 pm »
« Last Edit: 11/30/2018 07:24 am by jpo234 »
You want to be inspired by things. You want to wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great. That's what being a spacefaring civilization is all about. It's about believing in the future and believing the future will be better than the past. And I can't think of anything more exciting than being out there among the stars.

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1638 on: 11/30/2018 06:40 am »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1068396869884071937

Looking forward to seeing the EIR, will hopefully give some details of their improved TBM (at least an indication of tunnelling speed).

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Re: Elon The Boring Company
« Reply #1639 on: 11/30/2018 02:44 pm »
Alon Levy, a transit scholar at NYU's Marron Institute, thinks the premise of tunnel difficulty increasing by the square of the radius is flawed.

https://twitter.com/alon_levy/status/1068268234544164864

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