First to reach orbit, New Glenn vs Starship?

[ugordan]

In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?

Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.

Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...

No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...

I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...

But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....

Sure, you aren't... Remind me, again, how many posts did you make in various threads overjust  the last couple of days, praising the ultimate majesty of engineering that is the BE-4?

[Tywin]

In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?

Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.

Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...

No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...

I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...

But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....

Sure, you aren't... Remind me, again, how many posts did you make in various threads overjust  the last couple of days, praising the ultimate majesty of engineering that is the BE-4?

YES, because I really believe that the New Glenn will be an amazing rocket, and even more important, Blue Origin is go to be a giant space company in the future...

Blue will be the other leg of the table that was missing in the US space industry, to dominate the world space for several more decades...


And bring an even greater era of splendor in the cislunar ERA we live in....

[dglow]

In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?

Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.

Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...

No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...

I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...

But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....

Sure, you aren't... Remind me, again, how many posts did you make in various threads overjust  the last couple of days, praising the ultimate majesty of engineering that is the BE-4?

YES, because I really believe that the New Glenn will be an amazing rocket, and even more important, Blue Origin is go to be a giant space company in the future...

Blue will be the other leg of the table that was missing in the US space industry, to dominate the world space for several more decades...

Back to the subject of this poll: Starship will reach orbital velocity before New Glenn’s upper stage. Any real fan of Blue shouldn’t let that bother them in the least.

[Tywin]

Orbit is orbit, if the IFT-3 is the same profile that IFT-2, then is not orbit...


And this is a poll, nobody is bother...

[spacenut]

To me, SpaceX is trying to do a lot more than just reach orbit.  Hot staging, flips, landings.  Vulcan reached orbit, but the Superheavy booster completed it's mission through the second stage lighting and separation, so the Superheavy booster worked as a booster.  Flipping, sloshing, and exploding later didn't affect whether the second stage reached orbit.  Somehow the second stage didn't work right and it was destroyed before it could possibly hit somewhere in Florida.  Now, this is comparing with Vulcan.  New Glenn hasn't even tried yet. 

Is New Glenn going to try to land the booster?  Are they going to try to get the second stage to return in one piece? 

SpaceX from what I understand are going to try to boost back and land the booster in the Gulf.  Second stage will try to get through reentry and land in the ocean near Hawaii. 

This poll is only about who will reach orbit first.  Now is SpaceX going to be a true orbit if it doesn't completely circle the earth? 

Starthip 100-150 tons to orbit.  New Glenn 40 tons to orbit.  New Glenn compares to Falcon Heavy not Starship.  Starship compares to SLS for capability. 

To me SpaceX is trying to do far more than just reach orbit.   Don't know if Blue will try to do everything like SpaceX on one launch. 

Also, Blue is taking a very conservative approach it seems while SpaceX is trying different options to get more payload to orbit, like hot staging. 

[Tywin]

To me, SpaceX is trying to do a lot more than just reach orbit.  Hot staging, flips, landings.  Vulcan reached orbit, but the Superheavy booster completed it's mission through the second stage lighting and separation, so the Superheavy booster worked as a booster.  Flipping, sloshing, and exploding later didn't affect whether the second stage reached orbit.  Somehow the second stage didn't work right and it was destroyed before it could possibly hit somewhere in Florida.  Now, this is comparing with Vulcan.  New Glenn hasn't even tried yet. 

Is New Glenn going to try to land the booster?  Are they going to try to get the second stage to return in one piece? 

SpaceX from what I understand are going to try to boost back and land the booster in the Gulf.  Second stage will try to get through reentry and land in the ocean near Hawaii. 

This poll is only about who will reach orbit first.  Now is SpaceX going to be a true orbit if it doesn't completely circle the earth? 

Starthip 100-150 tons to orbit.  New Glenn 40 tons to orbit.  New Glenn compares to Falcon Heavy not Starship.  Starship compares to SLS for capability. 

To me SpaceX is trying to do far more than just reach orbit.   Don't know if Blue will try to do everything like SpaceX on one launch. 

Also, Blue is taking a very conservative approach it seems while SpaceX is trying different options to get more payload to orbit, like hot staging.

THAT always have been the definition of ORBIT...

And all the other specifications, and future goals,  are good for other thread, the poll, was very simple, reach orbit FIRST...

Will see...

[jamesborr]

I would agree with the purpose of this poll, but it also seems to be a bit similar to a prior "bragging rights" type of poll, i.e. what company first recovered a 1st stage booster, which was won by Blue Origin. However, I would argue that this event was not nearly as impactful as the subsequent Falcon 9 recovery which was far more "interesting" from a space launch perspective, and indeed, has yet to be equaled after all these years.

[dglow]

To me, SpaceX is trying to do a lot more than just reach orbit.  Hot staging, flips, landings.  Vulcan reached orbit, but the Superheavy booster completed it's mission through the second stage lighting and separation, so the Superheavy booster worked as a booster.  Flipping, sloshing, and exploding later didn't affect whether the second stage reached orbit.  Somehow the second stage didn't work right and it was destroyed before it could possibly hit somewhere in Florida.  Now, this is comparing with Vulcan.  New Glenn hasn't even tried yet. 

Is New Glenn going to try to land the booster?  Are they going to try to get the second stage to return in one piece? 

SpaceX from what I understand are going to try to boost back and land the booster in the Gulf.  Second stage will try to get through reentry and land in the ocean near Hawaii. 

This poll is only about who will reach orbit first.  Now is SpaceX going to be a true orbit if it doesn't completely circle the earth? 

Starthip 100-150 tons to orbit.  New Glenn 40 tons to orbit.  New Glenn compares to Falcon Heavy not Starship.  Starship compares to SLS for capability. 

To me SpaceX is trying to do far more than just reach orbit.   Don't know if Blue will try to do everything like SpaceX on one launch. 

Also, Blue is taking a very conservative approach it seems while SpaceX is trying different options to get more payload to orbit, like hot staging.

THAT always have been the definition of ORBIT...

And all the other specifications, and future goals,  are good for other thread, the poll, was very simple, reach orbit FIRST...

Will see...

<sigh>

@spacenut, it's very possible to 'reach orbit' (orbital velocity and a trajectory which would circle the planet) then choose to intentionally deorbit before going all the way around. Some of the most ambitious Nat Sec plans for Shuttle involved exactly this.

@Tywin, whatever turns your crank. I hope you WIN your poll.

[dglow]

I would agree with the purpose of this poll, but it also seems to be a bit similar to a prior "bragging rights" type of poll, i.e. what company first recovered a 1st stage booster, which was won by Blue Origin. However, I would argue that this event was not nearly as impactful as the subsequent Falcon 9 recovery which was far more "interesting" from a space launch perspective, and indeed, has yet to be equaled after all these years.

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