Total Members Voted: 195
Voting closed: 10/15/2023 07:39 pm
Seriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…
At the moment 1 vote for NG, three for Starship. At least we know who voted for NG.
Quote from: Tommyboy on 10/11/2022 07:50 pmAt the moment 1 vote for NG, three for Starship. At least we know who voted for NG.People laughed at SpaceX in the beginning, when ULA was in charge, people laughed a few years ago that SLS will fly before Starship...and most of them have been wrong...Next year will be the cotton wool test...
Yeah, first prototypes in bits still, a long way to go. Finish first stage, second stage, fit checks, cryogenic tests, GSE, wet dress, full stack functionality, software, you name it. And looking at New Shepard I don’t really see much ferociter happening, as opposed to SpaceX and their pace.Besides, we should compare apples to apples. New Glenn‘s payload is less than Falcon Heavy which has already flown 3 years ago. Starship is a different kettle of fish and way above NG‘s pay grade…
*snip*Besides, we should compare apples to apples. New Glenn‘s payload is less than Falcon Heavy which has already flown 3 years ago. Starship is a different kettle of fish and way above NG‘s pay grade…
Quote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 08:06 pmYeah, first prototypes in bits still, a long way to go. Finish first stage, second stage, fit checks, cryogenic tests, GSE, wet dress, full stack functionality, software, you name it. And looking at New Shepard I don’t really see much ferociter happening, as opposed to SpaceX and their pace.Besides, we should compare apples to apples. New Glenn‘s payload is less than Falcon Heavy which has already flown 3 years ago. Starship is a different kettle of fish and way above NG‘s pay grade…Building 7 engines may also be issue as ULA will be wanting Vulcan flights 2 and 3 engines soon. ULA have presold 80 missions out to late 2020s, with SMART few years off they will be use around 20-40 BE4 engines a year.
Quote from: TrevorMonty on 10/11/2022 08:54 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 08:06 pmYeah, first prototypes in bits still, a long way to go. Finish first stage, second stage, fit checks, cryogenic tests, GSE, wet dress, full stack functionality, software, you name it. And looking at New Shepard I don’t really see much ferociter happening, as opposed to SpaceX and their pace.Besides, we should compare apples to apples. New Glenn‘s payload is less than Falcon Heavy which has already flown 3 years ago. Starship is a different kettle of fish and way above NG‘s pay grade…Building 7 engines may also be issue as ULA will be wanting Vulcan flights 2 and 3 engines soon. ULA have presold 80 missions out to late 2020s, with SMART few years off they will be use around 20-40 BE4 engines a year.Blue Origin is already working on BE-4 engine production in their new Huntsville facility. IIRC it was meant to produce around 40 engines per year, but they recently doubled their planned amount of production staff due to the big demand for Kuiper launches.
Quote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:27 pmQuote from: TrevorMonty on 10/11/2022 08:54 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 08:06 pmYeah, first prototypes in bits still, a long way to go. Finish first stage, second stage, fit checks, cryogenic tests, GSE, wet dress, full stack functionality, software, you name it. And looking at New Shepard I don’t really see much ferociter happening, as opposed to SpaceX and their pace.Besides, we should compare apples to apples. New Glenn‘s payload is less than Falcon Heavy which has already flown 3 years ago. Starship is a different kettle of fish and way above NG‘s pay grade…Building 7 engines may also be issue as ULA will be wanting Vulcan flights 2 and 3 engines soon. ULA have presold 80 missions out to late 2020s, with SMART few years off they will be use around 20-40 BE4 engines a year.Blue Origin is already working on BE-4 engine production in their new Huntsville facility. IIRC it was meant to produce around 40 engines per year, but they recently doubled their planned amount of production staff due to the big demand for Kuiper launches. But of course factory sizing is one thing, and actually doing it is quite another. Look how long it's taking for Tory to get his first few engines. The BE4 is nowhere near mature or reusable, and that's going to take quite a long time even after they are flying. Compare to the Merlins, for example. Now THAT'S a mature engine.
Quote from: Surfdaddy on 10/11/2022 10:12 pmQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:27 pmQuote from: TrevorMonty on 10/11/2022 08:54 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 08:06 pmYeah, first prototypes in bits still, a long way to go. Finish first stage, second stage, fit checks, cryogenic tests, GSE, wet dress, full stack functionality, software, you name it. And looking at New Shepard I don’t really see much ferociter happening, as opposed to SpaceX and their pace.Besides, we should compare apples to apples. New Glenn‘s payload is less than Falcon Heavy which has already flown 3 years ago. Starship is a different kettle of fish and way above NG‘s pay grade…Building 7 engines may also be issue as ULA will be wanting Vulcan flights 2 and 3 engines soon. ULA have presold 80 missions out to late 2020s, with SMART few years off they will be use around 20-40 BE4 engines a year.Blue Origin is already working on BE-4 engine production in their new Huntsville facility. IIRC it was meant to produce around 40 engines per year, but they recently doubled their planned amount of production staff due to the big demand for Kuiper launches. But of course factory sizing is one thing, and actually doing it is quite another. Look how long it's taking for Tory to get his first few engines. The BE4 is nowhere near mature or reusable, and that's going to take quite a long time even after they are flying. Compare to the Merlins, for example. Now THAT'S a mature engine.The time it took to get the first two engines was not a production problem, but largely was due to development taking much, much longer than initially anticipated. Also, the Kent facility is not set up for assembly-line mass production. Huntsville is. Blue Origin has to approach producing 40 BE-4s per year just to meet the demand that will be required of it from both New Glenn and Vulcan initial flights within the next couple of years. It will likely have to significantly exceed that in subsequent years, which is why they doubled their workforce.
Voting closes: 2023-10-15, 21:39:34
Quote from: Tommyboy on 10/11/2022 07:50 pmAt the moment 1 vote for NG, three for Starship. At least we know who voted for NG.People laughed at SpaceX in the beginning, when ULA was in charge...
...people laughed a few years ago that SLS will fly before Starship...
...and most of them have been wrong
Next year will be the cotton wool test...
... as long as Elon can get his book report done for the FAA I would really hope we'd see at least 2-3 launch attempts out of Boca Chica by the end of the year...
Additionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.
Quote from: Tywin on 10/11/2022 07:59 pmNext year will be the cotton wool test...I have no idea what this means,
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 12/26/2022 11:35 pmQuote from: Tywin on 10/11/2022 07:59 pmNext year will be the cotton wool test...I have no idea what this means,Most likely “cotton wool’ means explosion. Originated on mistaken translation from Russian to Ukrainian
Quote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.
Quote from: high road on 01/03/2023 08:17 amQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.According to , each New Glenn launch probably costs $86 million dollars. Last year, [url=https://www.space.com/spacex-raises-prices-launch-starlink-inflation]SpaceX estimated the cost of each reusable launch of the Falcon Heavy to be $97 million.
Unfortunately that link doesn’t work for me.
Quote from: Vahe231991 on 01/24/2023 08:04 pmQuote from: high road on 01/03/2023 08:17 amQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.According to , each New Glenn launch probably costs $86 million dollars. Last year, [url=https://www.space.com/spacex-raises-prices-launch-starlink-inflation]SpaceX estimated the cost of each reusable launch of the Falcon Heavy to be $97 million. Unfortunately that link doesn’t work for me.
Quote from: high road on 01/03/2023 08:17 amQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.According to Arianespace, each New Glenn launch probably costs $68 million dollars. Last year, SpaceX estimated the cost of each reusable launch of the Falcon Heavy to be $97 million.
Speaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:
Quote from: Alvian@IDN on 01/26/2023 11:41 pmSpeaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:If the first New Glenn is ever completed and subject to a WDR, notwithstanding the successful WDR for the Starship being yet another signal that the Starship will make its first launch before New Glenn, one thing that needs to be done for the New Glenn to undergo a successful WDR is for liquid hydrogen to be safely loaded to one of the tanks of the New Glenn's second stage, which uses both LOX and LH2, because during the WDRs and launch preparations for the first SLS mission, NASA personnel recognized the perils of LH2 while loading that fuel into the stages of the SLS rocket.
Quote from: Vahe231991 on 01/27/2023 12:10 amQuote from: Alvian@IDN on 01/26/2023 11:41 pmSpeaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:If the first New Glenn is ever completed and subject to a WDR, notwithstanding the successful WDR for the Starship being yet another signal that the Starship will make its first launch before New Glenn, one thing that needs to be done for the New Glenn to undergo a successful WDR is for liquid hydrogen to be safely loaded to one of the tanks of the New Glenn's second stage, which uses both LOX and LH2, because during the WDRs and launch preparations for the first SLS mission, NASA personnel recognized the perils of LH2 while loading that fuel into the stages of the SLS rocket.I dislike BO, but I do not see this as a big deal. Hydrolox second stages, mostly Centaur in its various forms, have been the norm for decades for Atlas and Delta. The first Centaur flew in 1962 and there have been more than 350 flights. There must be lots of experienced folks around that BO has hired or can hire to implement this very well-known solution.
Quote from: Alvian@IDN on 01/26/2023 11:41 pmSpeaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:The S24 is in rocket garden right now...wait and see...
It should be Starship, so I voted that way.But I really wonder if a Raptor based 'big Falcon 9' - not dissimilar to a New Glenn - would have been a better move.I am however, a conservative engineer, so I would think that way.That said, I think if New Glenn does beat Starship to orbit I think people will begin to wonder if Elon has dropped the ball, despite Starship being obviously more ambitious.EDIT: Clarification.
Quote from: nicp on 12/26/2022 10:20 pmIt should be Starship, so I voted that way.But I really wonder if a Raptor based 'big Falcon 9' - not dissimilar to a New Glenn - would have been a better move.I am however, a conservative engineer, so I would think that way.That said, I think if New Glenn does beat Starship to orbit I think people will begin to wonder if Elon has dropped the ball, despite Starship being obviously more ambitious.EDIT: Clarification.That depends on what the goal of starship is.If the goal is to bring a Falcon 9 replacement online as quickly as possible, then yes, they should have done it differently.If the goal is to beat New Glenn, then also yes.But, none of those are the actual goals of starship.
Quote from: EspenU on 01/27/2023 11:14 amQuote from: nicp on 12/26/2022 10:20 pmIt should be Starship, so I voted that way.But I really wonder if a Raptor based 'big Falcon 9' - not dissimilar to a New Glenn - would have been a better move.I am however, a conservative engineer, so I would think that way.That said, I think if New Glenn does beat Starship to orbit I think people will begin to wonder if Elon has dropped the ball, despite Starship being obviously more ambitious.EDIT: Clarification.That depends on what the goal of starship is.If the goal is to bring a Falcon 9 replacement online as quickly as possible, then yes, they should have done it differently.If the goal is to beat New Glenn, then also yes.But, none of those are the actual goals of starship.Starship might not actually replace the Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy because it is primarily intended to take people to the Moon and Mars, and the Falcon Heavy recently had two launches within three months after a three-year hiatus, meaning that the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy will still be around even if Starship gets off the ground.
New Glenn's 7 BE-4 static fire (attempt) on SLC-36A orbital launch mount would be exciting for sure, but when?https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1623812763415093249?t=9Z9yRNtjPQWWWZJeqyjKEg&s=19
Quote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 07:48 pmSeriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…This Monday, we'll see how serious this poll is...maybe it's another time that the majority is widly wrong...
Quote from: Tywin on 04/14/2023 02:18 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 07:48 pmSeriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…This Monday, we'll see how serious this poll is...maybe it's another time that the majority is widly wrong...Regardless of what happens on Monday, do you seriously, in good faith, believe that this will be SpaceX's only Starship launch attempt in 2023? I mean, this is you we're talking about, so maybe you actually do believe that...
Quote from: trimeta on 04/14/2023 07:55 pmQuote from: Tywin on 04/14/2023 02:18 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 07:48 pmSeriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…This Monday, we'll see how serious this poll is...maybe it's another time that the majority is widly wrong...Regardless of what happens on Monday, do you seriously, in good faith, believe that this will be SpaceX's only Starship launch attempt in 2023? I mean, this is you we're talking about, so maybe you actually do believe that...Yes
Quote from: Tywin on 04/15/2023 05:47 amQuote from: trimeta on 04/14/2023 07:55 pmQuote from: Tywin on 04/14/2023 02:18 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 07:48 pmSeriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…This Monday, we'll see how serious this poll is...maybe it's another time that the majority is widly wrong...Regardless of what happens on Monday, do you seriously, in good faith, believe that this will be SpaceX's only Starship launch attempt in 2023? I mean, this is you we're talking about, so maybe you actually do believe that...YesGenuine question, to ascertain the depth of your...particular perspective: which do you think will be shorter, the time between the first and second Starship launches, or the time between the first and second New Glenn launches?And for the love of God, don't make a poll about this. I don't want the community's answers, I want yours.
Based on?
In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?
Quote from: trimeta on 04/15/2023 05:52 amQuote from: Tywin on 04/15/2023 05:47 amQuote from: trimeta on 04/14/2023 07:55 pmQuote from: Tywin on 04/14/2023 02:18 pmQuote from: zodiacchris on 10/11/2022 07:48 pmSeriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…This Monday, we'll see how serious this poll is...maybe it's another time that the majority is widly wrong...Regardless of what happens on Monday, do you seriously, in good faith, believe that this will be SpaceX's only Starship launch attempt in 2023? I mean, this is you we're talking about, so maybe you actually do believe that...YesGenuine question, to ascertain the depth of your...particular perspective: which do you think will be shorter, the time between the first and second Starship launches, or the time between the first and second New Glenn launches?And for the love of God, don't make a poll about this. I don't want the community's answers, I want yours.My perspective is that the time between the first flight of the New Glenn and its second launch will be much shorter than between the first flight of the Starship and its second...Also, not only do I think there will be NO second Starship flight this year, but its launch in 2024 will be quite late....
Quote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.
Quote from: trimeta on 04/16/2023 01:55 amQuote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.No, bending the reality of what has always been considered orbit is the specialty of certain amazing peoples....
The race is on...
Quote from: Tywin on 05/24/2023 08:24 amThe race is on...What's changed?
New Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...
Quote from: Tywin on 06/08/2023 01:56 amNew Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...No way that NG is launching in 2024.
Quote from: Tommyboy on 06/08/2023 10:29 amQuote from: Tywin on 06/08/2023 01:56 amNew Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...No way that NG is launching in 2024.its targeting Q4 2023 at the moment but it will probably launch in 2024
whitout a pad, I doubt...
Quote from: Tywin on 05/24/2023 07:56 pmwhitout a pad, I doubt...What is the latest progress on New Glenn? Do they have a complete flight set built yet?
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 09/07/2023 03:00 amQuote from: Tywin on 05/24/2023 07:56 pmwhitout a pad, I doubt...What is the latest progress on New Glenn? Do they have a complete flight set built yet?Blue Origin has not yet completed a single New Glenn, but photos of fabricated hardware for the New Glenn rocket can be found here:https://www.space.com/blue-origin-new-glenn-rocket-factory-photo
Oh no, just saw this pole...NG was competing with FH.Now it is competing with SS, and is woefully behind.Maybe if you poll NG to orbit vs. SS to Mars you'll have a balanced poll...
QuoteVoting closes: 2023-10-15, 21:39:34My bet is that we'll have a definitive answer even before this poll closes...
Quote from: trimeta on 04/16/2023 01:55 amQuote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...
Quote from: Tywin on 01/09/2024 02:13 pmQuote from: trimeta on 04/16/2023 01:55 amQuote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...
Quote from: ugordan on 01/09/2024 02:21 pmQuote from: Tywin on 01/09/2024 02:13 pmQuote from: trimeta on 04/16/2023 01:55 amQuote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....
Quote from: Tywin on 01/09/2024 02:27 pmQuote from: ugordan on 01/09/2024 02:21 pmQuote from: Tywin on 01/09/2024 02:13 pmQuote from: trimeta on 04/16/2023 01:55 amQuote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....Sure, you aren't... Remind me, again, how many posts did you make in various threads overjust the last couple of days, praising the ultimate majesty of engineering that is the BE-4?
Quote from: ugordan on 01/09/2024 02:30 pmQuote from: Tywin on 01/09/2024 02:27 pmQuote from: ugordan on 01/09/2024 02:21 pmQuote from: Tywin on 01/09/2024 02:13 pmQuote from: trimeta on 04/16/2023 01:55 amQuote from: Greg Hullender on 04/16/2023 01:25 amIn other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....Sure, you aren't... Remind me, again, how many posts did you make in various threads overjust the last couple of days, praising the ultimate majesty of engineering that is the BE-4?YES, because I really believe that the New Glenn will be an amazing rocket, and even more important, Blue Origin is go to be a giant space company in the future...Blue will be the other leg of the table that was missing in the US space industry, to dominate the world space for several more decades...
To me, SpaceX is trying to do a lot more than just reach orbit. Hot staging, flips, landings. Vulcan reached orbit, but the Superheavy booster completed it's mission through the second stage lighting and separation, so the Superheavy booster worked as a booster. Flipping, sloshing, and exploding later didn't affect whether the second stage reached orbit. Somehow the second stage didn't work right and it was destroyed before it could possibly hit somewhere in Florida. Now, this is comparing with Vulcan. New Glenn hasn't even tried yet. Is New Glenn going to try to land the booster? Are they going to try to get the second stage to return in one piece? SpaceX from what I understand are going to try to boost back and land the booster in the Gulf. Second stage will try to get through reentry and land in the ocean near Hawaii. This poll is only about who will reach orbit first. Now is SpaceX going to be a true orbit if it doesn't completely circle the earth? Starthip 100-150 tons to orbit. New Glenn 40 tons to orbit. New Glenn compares to Falcon Heavy not Starship. Starship compares to SLS for capability. To me SpaceX is trying to do far more than just reach orbit. Don't know if Blue will try to do everything like SpaceX on one launch. Also, Blue is taking a very conservative approach it seems while SpaceX is trying different options to get more payload to orbit, like hot staging.
Quote from: spacenut on 01/09/2024 02:52 pmTo me, SpaceX is trying to do a lot more than just reach orbit. Hot staging, flips, landings. Vulcan reached orbit, but the Superheavy booster completed it's mission through the second stage lighting and separation, so the Superheavy booster worked as a booster. Flipping, sloshing, and exploding later didn't affect whether the second stage reached orbit. Somehow the second stage didn't work right and it was destroyed before it could possibly hit somewhere in Florida. Now, this is comparing with Vulcan. New Glenn hasn't even tried yet. Is New Glenn going to try to land the booster? Are they going to try to get the second stage to return in one piece? SpaceX from what I understand are going to try to boost back and land the booster in the Gulf. Second stage will try to get through reentry and land in the ocean near Hawaii. This poll is only about who will reach orbit first. Now is SpaceX going to be a true orbit if it doesn't completely circle the earth? Starthip 100-150 tons to orbit. New Glenn 40 tons to orbit. New Glenn compares to Falcon Heavy not Starship. Starship compares to SLS for capability. To me SpaceX is trying to do far more than just reach orbit. Don't know if Blue will try to do everything like SpaceX on one launch. Also, Blue is taking a very conservative approach it seems while SpaceX is trying different options to get more payload to orbit, like hot staging. THAT always have been the definition of ORBIT...And all the other specifications, and future goals, are good for other thread, the poll, was very simple, reach orbit FIRST...Will see...
I would agree with the purpose of this poll, but it also seems to be a bit similar to a prior "bragging rights" type of poll, i.e. what company first recovered a 1st stage booster, which was won by Blue Origin. However, I would argue that this event was not nearly as impactful as the subsequent Falcon 9 recovery which was far more "interesting" from a space launch perspective, and indeed, has yet to be equaled after all these years.