JesseD - 14/11/2006 6:05 AM... the ground-based vids only show the takeoff, not the crash.
hektor - 15/11/2006 12:09 PMSoyuz launcher has always had a thrust termination by shutting off a valve so that mustn't be so bad.
hop - 15/11/2006 4:32 PMQuotehektor - 15/11/2006 12:09 PMSoyuz launcher has always had a thrust termination by shutting off a valve so that mustn't be so bad.That doesn't follow. It just means they are willing to accept the risk. Russia, and even more so China, have paid the price for this choice. An launcher falling mostly intact and full of fuel has potential to do far more damage than one which has been broken up at altitude. See Intelsat 708 or the recent Dnepr failure for examples.
zappafrank - 17/11/2006 11:13 PMSure ground pictures and the bits of onboard are good. But, I want to see the video of this thing in its entirety.
Avron - 18/11/2006 8:07 AMI assume the slip is due to the engine update or was that put on hold for the update of the monitoring systems upgrade.. and how much impact has COTS had on the program in terms of resource allocation?
meiza - 18/11/2006 3:52 PMI think Elon has to spend lots of time courting commercial investors, that's one of the big things in COTS.
Avron - 18/11/2006 8:07 AMWould love to know how firm this new date is?
zappafrank - 17/11/2006 11:13 PMI was a big SpaceX supporter, and still want them to do well, but, I've lost a great deal of enthusiasm in them.
Comga - 19/11/2006 5:55 PMQuotezappafrank - 17/11/2006 11:13 PMSure ground pictures and the bits of onboard are good. But, I want to see the video of this thing in its entirety.Don't hold your breath. SpaceX has made a firm decision not to show the entire video, even when they are doing the showing and it could not be copied and distributed. No explanation is given, and they hear the groans from disappointed audiences.
edkyle99 - 19/11/2006 8:59 PMQuoteComga - 19/11/2006 5:55 PMQuotezappafrank - 17/11/2006 11:13 PMSure ground pictures and the bits of onboard are good. But, I want to see the video of this thing in its entirety.Don't hold your breath. SpaceX has made a firm decision not to show the entire video, even when they are doing the showing and it could not be copied and distributed. No explanation is given, and they hear the groans from disappointed audiences. I wonder if a FOIA could spring this video. The launch was purchased by the U.S. Government. There must have been U.S. Government tracking cameras in use.Every other video made on the planet ends up on the Internet, why not this one?
edkyle99 - 19/11/2006 11:59 PMQuoteComga - 19/11/2006 5:55 PMQuotezappafrank - 17/11/2006 11:13 PMSure ground pictures and the bits of onboard are good. But, I want to see the video of this thing in its entirety.Don't hold your breath. SpaceX has made a firm decision not to show the entire video, even when they are doing the showing and it could not be copied and distributed. No explanation is given, and they hear the groans from disappointed audiences. I wonder if a FOIA could spring this video. The launch was purchased by the U.S. Government. There must have been U.S. Government tracking cameras in use.Every other video made on the planet ends up on the Internet, why not this one? - Ed Kyle
yinzer - 20/11/2006 12:32 AMQuoteedkyle99 - 19/11/2006 8:59 PMI wonder if a FOIA could spring this video. The launch was purchased by the U.S. Government. There must have been U.S. Government tracking cameras in use.Every other video made on the planet ends up on the Internet, why not this one?Filing FOIA requests is free, no? I
edkyle99 - 19/11/2006 8:59 PMI wonder if a FOIA could spring this video. The launch was purchased by the U.S. Government. There must have been U.S. Government tracking cameras in use.Every other video made on the planet ends up on the Internet, why not this one?
Jim - 20/11/2006 6:27 AMQuoteedkyle99 - 19/11/2006 11:59 PMQuoteComga - 19/11/2006 5:55 PMQuotezappafrank - 17/11/2006 11:13 PMSure ground pictures and the bits of onboard are good. But, I want to see the video of this thing in its entirety.Don't hold your breath. SpaceX has made a firm decision not to show the entire video, even when they are doing the showing and it could not be copied and distributed. No explanation is given, and they hear the groans from disappointed audiences. I wonder if a FOIA could spring this video. The launch was purchased by the U.S. Government. There must have been U.S. Government tracking cameras in use.Every other video made on the planet ends up on the Internet, why not this one? - Ed KyleThe "launch' wasn't purchase. Different contracting mechanism. No gov't optical tracking resounces in that area
The Air Force did a study a few years back where they rediscovered the obvious (at lest in hindsight): Progress is made when the state of the art is pushed back in a very limited number of directions in a given effort. The study pointed this out as a difference between the DC-X, which was a success breaking ground on a few fronts, and the X-33, which set out to advance the state-of-the-art in every direction at once.