Author Topic: OIG leans on NASA to avoid the mistakes of ML-1 with second Mobile Launcher  (Read 21021 times)


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leans on

Couldn't resist the pun, eh?  :P

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Couldn't resist the pun, eh?  :P
It seems to be something inherent with journalists.  Work with words, play with words.
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Nice article Chris. Appreciate the pun.

About what OIG and you reported on:
This is another epic screw-up by NASA. No wonder I've lost faith in them with regards to HSF.

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I don't understand that graph very well.

The biggest portion of the cost is "design errors", but what does that mean? Who made the error? Was it NASA that gave wrong information to the vendor, or was the vendor that made a mistake with the information given to them?

Also, how is it possible that the largest portion of an expenditure is "design errors" at 39%? In our company if any type of "error" is 0.1% of the cost, there will be hell to pay. What is really going on here?
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Are there any spare arms and related hardware from ML-1's construction left over that could be added to ML-2? Overall it's going to be "faster" process thanks to all the lessons of ML-1? Similar system, just taller and different arm placement, right?

zubenelgenubi: Non-L2 questions and replies--moved to public side thread addressing ML-2.
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Are there any spare arms and related hardware from ML-1's construction left over that could be added to ML-2?
I don't believe so, but I was browsing govtribe last night and saw the contract for at least one of them seems to have already been awarded.

MOBILE LAUNCHER 2 (ML-2) EXPLORATION UPPER STAGE UMBILICAL (EUSU) AND ASSOCIATED PARTS FABRICATION
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https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1526555915251499008

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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

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https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1526555915251499008

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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

There is no way ULA or SpaceX have paid that for their towers or launchers. Is this the Million Dollar Toilets? Hopefully the subcommittee tares them a new one.
 

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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

There is no way ULA or SpaceX have paid that for their towers or launchers. Is this the Million Dollar Toilets? Hopefully the subcommittee tares them a new one.

I suspect that SpaceX will spend less than $1 Billion for 5 of what Elon Musk calls 'stage 0'. Three on land - Boca Chica, Pad 39A, and the new Pad 49 and two floating platforms - Phobos and Deimos. This would include the additional work needed to access LC 49 and the purchase and refurbishment of the two semi-submersibles that will become Phobos and Deimos.
 

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https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1526555915251499008

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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

Criminal.  The world’s tallest skyscraper — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a luxury residential building in one of the most expensive cities in the world — came in around $1.5 billion.

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Criminal.  The world’s tallest skyscraper — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a luxury residential building in one of the most expensive cities in the world — came in around $1.5 billion.

Hey, the cost is less than 25% of the mission cost of the mission it is intended to support. By that measure, it's cheaper than other launch towers.

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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

Criminal.  The world’s tallest skyscraper — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a luxury residential building in one of the most expensive cities in the world — came in around $1.5 billion.

As an interesting contrast, the new One World Trade Center skyscraper in New York cost $3.9 billion. It was designed by the same architectural firm that did the Burj Khalifa.
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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

Criminal.  The world’s tallest skyscraper — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a luxury residential building in one of the most expensive cities in the world — came in around $1.5 billion.

As an interesting contrast, the new One World Trade Center skyscraper in New York cost $3.9 billion. It was designed by the same architectural firm that did the Burj Khalifa.
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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

Criminal.  The world’s tallest skyscraper — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a luxury residential building in one of the most expensive cities in the world — came in around $1.5 billion.

As an interesting contrast, the new One World Trade Center skyscraper in New York cost $3.9 billion. It was designed by the same architectural firm that did the Burj Khalifa.
The only reason OWTC was that expensive excluding change requests was for the costly preconstruction R&D for the steel pillar, beam and overall structural skeleton design, a first for such a large scale implementation. If they ever build the second tower it is forecast to cost substantially less before dollar adjustments because the R&D work is already done and is just a copy of the first with slight differences.

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Got to wonder how much a tower of pre-build blocks like the ones assembled be SpaceX will cost. Maybe SpaceX could just build a proper launch tower for the SLS after they are finish with the Starship pad at LC-39A.  ;D

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Got to wonder how much a tower of pre-build blocks like the ones assembled be SpaceX will cost. Maybe SpaceX could just build a proper launch tower for the SLS after they are finish with the Starship pad at LC-39A.  ;D
SpaceX seems to have had a not-so-great experience lining up contractors for the NSSL-2 mobile service tower at 39A. I wonder what's going on with that, and if the Jacobs/Bechtel gravy train has distorted the expectations for Space Coast contractors bidding on the work.

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Got to wonder how much a tower of pre-build blocks like the ones assembled be SpaceX will cost. Maybe SpaceX could just build a proper launch tower for the SLS after they are finish with the Starship pad at LC-39A.  ;D
SpaceX seems to have had a not-so-great experience lining up contractors for the NSSL-2 mobile service tower at 39A. I wonder what's going on with that, and if the Jacobs/Bechtel gravy train has distorted the expectations for Space Coast contractors bidding on the work.
Making a wild guess. SpaceX is going reuse the pre-build tower blocks jigs for the OLT at pad LC-39A to build tower block for the NSSL-2 mobile payload integration tower.

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During a budget hearing, CJS subcommittee chair Matt Cartwright references a forthcoming Inspector General report on NASA's Mobile Launcher-2. I've heard the report is a devastating, finding that the second tower will cost about $1 billion; that Bechtel is wildly underperforming.

Criminal.  The world’s tallest skyscraper — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, a luxury residential building in one of the most expensive cities in the world — came in around $1.5 billion.

As an interesting contrast, the new One World Trade Center skyscraper in New York cost $3.9 billion. It was designed by the same architectural firm that did the Burj Khalifa.
The only reason OWTC was that expensive excluding change requests was for the costly preconstruction R&D for the steel pillar, beam and overall structural skeleton design, a first for such a large scale implementation. If they ever build the second tower it is forecast to cost substantially less before dollar adjustments because the R&D work is already done and is just a copy of the first with slight differences.
And those cost is when the building is completed. ML-2 isn't even start assembly yet & it already cost that much, guaranteed to pass $1 billion at this point. Who knows what the total cost would be in 2027-2028
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