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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #60 on: 06/16/2023 07:48 pm »
I found this old thread about China's manned lunar exploration ambitions for the sake of relevance to the topic of this thread:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=2919.0

Back in 2006, anonymous CNSA officials were were quoted by a Hong Kong newspaper as saying that China was hoping to conduct the first manned mission on the Moon's surface by 2024. Of course, even though development of the Long March 9 began in the mid-2010s, we know that the CNSA's target window of 2024 for a manned lunar moonwalk was tentative and quite too ambitious given that China at the time didn't develop the know-how to try to make a rocket engine for a lunar SLV work.

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #61 on: 06/17/2023 08:33 am »
I found this old thread about China's manned lunar exploration ambitions for the sake of relevance to the topic of this thread:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=2919.0

Back in 2006, anonymous CNSA officials were were quoted by a Hong Kong newspaper as saying that China was hoping to conduct the first manned mission on the Moon's surface by 2024. Of course, even though development of the Long March 9 began in the mid-2010s, we know that the CNSA's target window of 2024 for a manned lunar moonwalk was tentative and quite too ambitious given that China at the time didn't develop the know-how to try to make a rocket engine for a lunar SLV work.
There is indeed a plan of manned lunar landing in 2024. Academician Long Lehao openly proposed in the literature in 2009 and 2010 that China's space lunar landing should not be implemented later than Japan's and India's lunar landing plans, so it is planned to carry out manned lunar landing around 2024.
However, after the global financial crisis in 2008, the progress of countries exploring the moon slowed down. On approximately December 5, 2013, Xinmin Weekly reported that China had suspended the implementation of its lunar landing plan (2024) (P1). Afterwards, China readjusted its manned lunar landing plan. The scheme of International Lunar Research Station (ILRS) is proposed.

Figure 2 shows the Chinese translation of the impact of European influence on the ILRS program advocated by China before the launch of the Artemis program in 2017. The person who wrote this article is actually putting pressure on the US government to make it understand that if he does not initiate the lunar landing program again. The United States will lose leadership over the Earth Moon space mission. I can't find the original text. It should have been published in the Daily Mail of the UK, or in foreign policy or other publications of the United States.

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #62 on: 07/12/2023 01:18 pm »
China unveils preliminary plan on manned lunar landing

https://english.news.cn/20230712/6539c747af6b434ea27f991d0bcdbc33/c.html

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #63 on: 07/13/2023 06:30 am »
https://twitter.com/cnsawatcher/status/1679373607946862594

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CNSA/CMS’s latest CG concept pictures of its lunar rover, lunar lander and lunar research station. Source: buff.ly/3pIOkYv

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #64 on: 07/13/2023 08:23 am »
The third image seems to show a transportable Lunar base docked to a pressurised rover and possibly a nuclear electric generator in the background, with a circular radiator on top.
« Last Edit: 07/13/2023 08:24 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #65 on: 07/13/2023 12:42 pm »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #66 on: 07/14/2023 06:03 am »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #67 on: 08/04/2023 05:33 am »

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #68 on: 09/01/2023 04:38 am »

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #69 on: 02/29/2024 05:20 am »
Thought it appropriate to have a separate thread for this, given this week's announcement of the names for the lunar ferry and lunar lander

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202402/24/WS65d9506aa31082fc043b8df2.html

China unveiled on Saturday the names of its manned lunar lander and new crew spaceship.

According to a news release from the China Manned Space Agency, the lunar lander that will carry Chinese astronauts to the moon's surface is named Lanyue, or Embracing the Moon, which first appeared in a poem written by the late Chairman Mao Zedong in 1965.

The word "Lanyue" symbolizes the Chinese people's aspiration and confidence in their exploration of the universe and expedition to the moon, it said.

The name of the new crew spaceship is Mengzhou, or Dream Vessel, which represents its responsibility of fulfilling the Chinese nation's dream of landing on the moon to start a new journey of space adventure, according to the agency.

It noted that there will be two models of the Mengzhou - one will be used to transport astronauts to the moon while another will replace the current spaceship Shenzhou to ferry crew members between Earth and the Tiangong space station, which has been orbiting around the Earth for nearly three years.

The names were picked by a group of experts from nearly 2,000 proposals solicited from the public.


The Chinese Manned Space Agency media release is here (in Chinese, but Chrome will automatically translate)

https://en.cmse.gov.cn/xwzx/202402/t20240224_55093.html

(of course if there is already such a thread, apologies for duplication)

« Last Edit: 02/29/2024 09:56 pm by Dalhousie »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #70 on: 03/01/2024 12:59 am »
The article says that the vehicle has a diameter of 4.5m, but it was my understanding that it is the return capsule that is 4.5m wide*, with the vehicle, service module included, being somewhat wider (~5m, being somewhat inline with the 5m wide launcher), I'm a bit confused. There were also more recent conflicting reports of diameter. Does anyone have more accurate information?

*Based on this article, http://m.news.cctv.com/2020/05/08/ARTIw6g3GIoDktnFnWUhvEzG200508.shtml, the Capsule flown in 2020 was 4.5m wide.

Attachment is from "Architecture research on reusable technologies of china's next-generation manned spacecraft", September 2023, I annoted the right
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #72 on: 03/02/2024 02:50 am »
Thought it appropriate to have a separate thread for this, given this week's announcement of the names for the lunar ferry and lunar lander

Thanks for the information, but this thread could have been used. That thread started in 2011 with its last post in 2023, which just goes to show how long the Chinese have been planning a Moon landing! Perhaps the moderators could merge these threads.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=23919.0

Edit by moderator: Done.
« Last Edit: 03/02/2024 04:29 am by Galactic Penguin SST »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #73 on: 03/02/2024 03:02 am »
Bing translation of the Chinese article.

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The name of the new vehicle for China's manned lunar exploration mission has been officially determined
Release date: 2024-02-24
Source: China Manned Space Engineering Network

Recently, the name of the new vehicle for China's manned lunar exploration mission has been determined, the new generation of manned spacecraft has been named "Mengzhou", and the lunar lander has been named "Lanyue".
After the construction of China's space station is completed, landing on the moon has become the next goal for Chinese to explore space. With the full launch of the lunar landing phase of the manned lunar exploration project, the naming of new vehicles for manned lunar exploration has also been put on the agenda.
In August 2023, the China Manned Space Engineering Office launched a solicitation of names for new manned lunar exploration missions for the public, which attracted widespread attention and enthusiastic participation from the whole society, and received nearly 2,000 submissions from organizations and people from all walks of life in the fields of aerospace, science and technology, and cultural communication. After expert selection and review, the new generation of manned spacecraft was named "Mengzhou" and the lunar lander was named "Lanyue".
The name of the new aircraft has distinctive Chinese characteristics, characteristics of the times and cultural characteristics. "Mengzhou" means that manned lunar exploration carries the Chinese's space dream, starts a new journey of space exploration, and also reflects the system inheritance with the Shenzhou and Tianzhou spacecraft families; the new generation of manned spacecraft includes two models: the lunar version and the near-earth version of the subsequent space station mission, of which the lunar version adopts "Mengzhou" (spacecraft name + capital initial of the syllable of the word "moon"). "Catching the Moon" is taken from Chairman Mao's poem "You can go up to the moon in nine days", highlighting the heroism and confidence of Chinese in exploring the universe and landing on the moon. Previously, the new generation of manned launch vehicles had been named "Long March 10".
At present, the Mengzhou spacecraft, the Lanyue lander, and the Long March-10 carrier rocket have fully entered the stage of initial sample development, and all work is progressing smoothly.

(Editor in charge: Hao Yizhan)
« Last Edit: 03/02/2024 03:03 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #74 on: 04/24/2024 02:01 am »
Official statements made during the Shenzhou 18 pre-launch press conference today:

* The upcoming to-be-chosen-soon 4th Chinese astronaut class will include members that will perform lunar landings
* Testing of the Long March 10 rocket are in full swing & engines testing are in progress
* Construction has now begin for its launch facilities at Wenchang SLS
* The design for Chinese lunar excursion suits has been completed
* Thermal testing for the new crew spacecraft Mengzhou & lunar lander Lanyue are "basically completed" and initial design completed for start of prototype construction
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #75 on: 10/17/2024 07:52 am »
A couple of days ago, a target date for a crewed lunar landing by China was set as 2028, although in today's presentation they kept it at a more temperate "before 2030".

Some slides from the lunar crewed program presentation today:
« Last Edit: 10/17/2024 07:54 am by eeergo »
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #76 on: 10/18/2024 02:27 am »

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #77 on: 10/19/2024 07:23 pm »
Damn, imagine if the chinese nail a) MSR and b) manned lunar return;  either in 2028 or 2030.
And, the way things goes with Artemis II and MSR - before the USA. I know it is not a race, Apollo style, but it would be impressive nonetheless.
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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #78 on: 10/26/2024 09:38 am »
https://twitter.com/cnsawatcher/status/1850073995258810416

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CNSA plans moon exploration: Chang'e 7 (2026) to study resources, Chang'e 8 (2028) for testing, and manned landing (2029-2030) with "Dreamboat" spacecraft and "Embrace Moon" lander. Source:m.weibo.cn/status/ODjmf57…

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Re: Chinese crewed lunar program
« Reply #79 on: 10/29/2024 05:56 am »
https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status/1851085006963425451

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CMSA has selected two proposals, designed by SAST and CAST, of lunar roving vehicles into the round of prototyping before the final decision of which to carry out the human lunar landing mission. https://www.cmse.gov.cn/xwzx/202410/t20241028_55835.html

 

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