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Discussion Thread for launch of Eutelsat's Hotbird 13F.

NSF Threads for Hotbird 13F : Discussion

Successful launch October 15, 2022 at 1:22 am EDT (05:22 UTC) on Falcon 9 (booster 1069-3) to GTO.
First stage landed aboard JRTI supported by Doug.


Built by Airbus on the new Eurostar Neo platform.  4500kg.


Eutelsat Hotbird 13F and 13G

SN Eutelsat to buy two all-electric satellites from Airbus to replace Hotbird constellation, August 1, 2018
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Eutelsat will replace a trio of [Hotbird] satellites with two larger all-electric satellites from Airbus Defence and Space, company officials said Wednesday.
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Rodolphe Belmer, Eutelsat chief executive, said Aug. 1 that the all-electric duo will result in “significant savings relative to the original cost of the constellation,” <snip>

The new satellites will launch in 2021 on unspecified vehicles, according to a Eutelsat earnings presentation. <snip>

An all-electric satellite requires months to travel from a transfer orbit to a geostationary orbit, while a chemically propelled satellite can cover the same distance in days. <snip>

Leroy said Eutelsat is the first customer for Eurostar NEO, <snip>

Cross-posts

Eutelsat Hotbird 13F and 13G to be a payload launched by Ariane 6:
SN ESA requests 230 million euros more for Ariane 6 as maiden flights slips to 2022, dated October 29

During an Oct. 29 briefing following the 291st ESA Council held over the last two days [article submitted from Valetta, Malta], Daniel Neuenschwander, director for space transportation at ESA:
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...the 230 million euros in additional funding requested by ESA is a 6% increase in the development cost of Ariane 6. This puts the total cost of development at over 3.8 billion euros ($4.4 billion), significantly more than the approximately $400 million spent to develop the SpaceX Falcon 9 against which the Ariane 6 will compete.

ESA hopes to secure the additional funding for development of the Ariane 6 within the next few months.
***

Re: early Ariane 6 flight schedule, also from the article:
Flight 1, A62     Q2 2022     Payload was to be 30 OneWeb satellites; Arianespace received partial payment before the bankruptcy filing.  Payload options are being actively investigated.

Flight 2, A62                      Galileo satellite [I thought it was 2 Galileo satellites.]

Flight 3, A64                      Payload not named.  [Perhaps Eutelsat Hotbird 13F, Eutelsat Hotbird 13G from our launch schedule thread.]
***

Seeking correction or clarification.

Eutelsat Hotbird 13F launch H2 2021, launcher was still TBA:
And Eutelsat remains silent when it comes to specifying the launch provider for Hotbird 13F, 13G and Konnect VHTS.

https://www.eutelsat.com/files/PDF/investors/2020-21/Investor%20presentation%20Jan%202021.pdf

(See attached file for the relevant page from the PDF linked above--presentation from January 2021.)

News that GSAT-24 (and GSAT-20) were to be launched by Ariane 5.  Previously, the launchers were presumed to be GSLV MkIII's.  Article dated February 18, 2021:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/space-psu-nsil-to-launch-sat-for-tatasky/articleshow/81081943.cms
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GSAT-24 will be a 4.1 tonne communication satellite that will put into space 24 Ku-band transponders to be used for DTH services. “The satellite’s cost is Rs 400 crore and NSIL will be launching it through Arianespace. The launch is expected to happen sometime in September,” Sivan said.
The PSU is also negotiating to acquire GSAT-20, a high-throughput satellite, which will also be launched commercially. “Aside from GSAT-20, DishTV has held preliminary talks with NSIL for another satellite,” Sivan added.

Confirmation of both satellites as the payloads aboard VA255:
European launch updates from SFN Launch Schedule, updated June 7

Ariane 5 VA255 / Hotbird 13F & GSAT 24
Launch date: 3rd quarter
Launch window: TBD
Launch site: ELA-3, Kourou, French Guiana

Then, VA255 became the designation for a different pair of GEO-bound communications satellites.

This launch would be delayed, at minimum, until after that of the James Webb Space Telescope, currently scheduled for launch in mid-November.

This is based on the assumption that this flight becomes VA257, launch NET mid-December.  As of this posting, mid-December is the minimum turn-around, approximately 4 weeks, between Ariane 5 launches.  Also, mid-December is the minimum turn-around, approximately 2 weeks, after the VS27 Kourou launch scheduled in late November.

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Cross-post; Eutelsat report dated July 30:
The launch of Hotbird 13f is postponed to H1 2022. But the launcher is still secret.
https://www.eutelsat.com/files/PDF/investors/2020-21/FY%202020-21_Presentation_vfinal_web.pdf
Edit: Are Eutelsat Hotbird 13F and GSAT-24 still paired for launch?
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Cross-post re: GSAT-24; article dated July 2:
https://telanganatoday.com/newspace-india-ltd-can-also-lease-isro-assets
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“The GSAT 24 will be ready for launch by this November/December or next January. The other two satellites GSAT 20 and GSAT 22 are under production,” Sivan added.

The GSAT 20 to be launched by Indian rocket Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle Mark III (GSLV Mk III) will be fully propelled by electric power. The satellite will move from the geostationary transfer orbit to geosynchronous orbit with electric propulsion.
If Eutelsat Hotbird 13F and GSAT-24 are still paired for launch, and Eutelsat Hotbird 13F is scheduled to launch H1 2022, then January 2022 is the common month in both scheduled launch windows.
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Re: Ariane 5 VA25X - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - H1 2022
« Reply #3 on: 09/10/2021 08:03 pm »
VA257 payloads confirmation, SFN Launch Schedule, dated September 10.
MEASAT-3d
GSAT-24
early 2022
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Re: Ariane 5 VA25X - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - H1 2022
« Reply #4 on: 10/14/2021 12:09 am »
I've never used this source before: https://www.flysat.com/launches2022.php

I do not know its reputation for accuracy. I can get an idea of such from its current listings.

There is one large table of upcoming geocommunications satellites.

The Eutelsat Hotbird 13F source is dated August 28.  The launch date given is April 30, 2022, aboard VA257.  Our current source for the two satellites aboard VA257, MEASAT 3d and GSAT-24, dates from September.

The other payload aboard VA257 in the table is MEASAT 3d, with launch month February 2022.  Source is dated October 5.  This matches what we currently know.

(GSAT-24 is missing from the table.)

All launches in the table with month and date are dated to the 1st or last day of said month. Is that information supposed to refer to "early" or "late" "put month here"?

Apparently, there is current information and outdated information in the page's table.

Perhaps the scheduled Eutelsat Hotbird 13F launch is (or was) late April 2022, making it one of two satellites aboard a hypothetical VA258?

As for a lower mass partner to GTO: Syracuse-4B?  The latest information did not specify a time frame in 2022 for it.  All the other less massive geosatellites remaining on the Ariane 5 schedule are listed for later in the year.
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Re: Ariane 5 VA25X - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - H1 2022
« Reply #5 on: 12/30/2021 05:23 am »
Belated news regarding Eutelsat Hotbird-13F; article dated February 15, 2021: Aerospace Technology, Airbus integrates EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F’s service and communication modules
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Airbus Defence and Space company has integrated the service and communication modules of the EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F satellite.
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Last month, EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F communications module was delivered to Toulouse, France, by Airbus’ Portsmouth team.

The service module of the satellite was produced by the Stevenage and Toulouse teams.
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Re: Ariane 5 VA25X - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - H1 2022
« Reply #6 on: 01/07/2022 06:48 pm »
Belated news regarding both 13F and 13G; article dated September 6, 2021:
https://www.newslinet.com/tv-lanomalia-di-hot-bird-13b-che-ha-interrotto-le-emissioni-di-numerosi-canali-domenica-5-settembre-un-segnale-che-la-flotta-a-13-gradi-e-ormai-obsoleta/
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New satellites only in 2022

Eutelsat had planned for this year the launch of the Hot Bird 13F and 13G satellites, in order to guarantee the extension of the life of this station, but for various reasons the departure is now scheduled for mid 2022. It will therefore be the case of hope that 13C and 13E will remain in good health for at least one more year. (M.H.B. for NL)
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Re: Ariane 5 VA25X - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - H1 2022
« Reply #7 on: 01/29/2022 02:15 am »
IF Eutelsat Hotbird-13F is still launching in the first half of 2022

AND IF it launches on an Ariane 5, instead of a Falcon 9

THEN its lower mass companion could be Ovzon-3.
We therefore plan for a rescheduled launch at the end of the second quarter 2022,...

AND this would comprise the dual payload of VA258, launching a minimum of approximately two weeks after VV21 in May.  June 2022.

GIVEN that we still don't know the particular launch vehicles and dates, the more massive satellite could instead be Eutelsat's Hotbird-13G or Konnect VHTS.

Some of the information is old, but there have been no updates.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - NET end of 2022
« Reply #8 on: 02/17/2022 07:47 pm »
Cross-posts
Old news, but interesting picture in the source.
Edit: More importantly, the two Hotbirds have been Ariane 6 payloads all along?  Together on (the first?) Ariane 64?
https://aircosmosinternational.com/article/the-first-assembled-eurostar-neo-satellite-3106
[dated March 2, 2021]
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Hotbird 13F, like its twin Hotbird 13G, is scheduled for launch next year [2022] using an Ariane 64 launcher from the Guyana Space Center.

Launch at the end of 2022, or in early 2023?  On what launch vehicle?
https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/02/b25681068/eutelsat-communications-first-half-2021-22-results [Feb 17]
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FLEET DEPLOYMENT

Nominal deployment programme

Compared to the last quarterly update in October 2021, the entry into service of KONNECT VHTS has been delayed from the first half to the second half of calendar 2023. Furthermore, while still expected within the H1 2023 window, the entry into service of the EUTELSAT 10B satellite has been delayed versus our previous expectations. This reflects the impact of both manufacturing delays and their knock-on effects, including pairing difficulties, related to launch rescheduling, in the context of global Covid crisis.

All other data remains unchanged.
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Re: Ariane 5 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - 2023?
« Reply #9 on: 02/17/2022 09:25 pm »
If both satellites were ready for launch, Hotbird 13G would definitely take precedence over 13F.
The EGNOS GEO 4 payload of 13G is a small crucial difference.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - NET end of 2022
« Reply #10 on: 02/17/2022 09:40 pm »
If both satellites were ready for launch, Hotbird 13G would definitely take precedence over 13F.
The EGNOS GEO 4 payload of 13G is a small crucial difference.

The estimated entry into service date for 13G is slightly ahead of 13F--H1 2023 vs. Q2/Q3 2023.

I have not read any independent coverage regarding 13G.

Add:
https://www.satellitetoday.com/imagery-and-sensing/2021/02/09/gsa-selects-eutelsat-to-host-egnos-geo-4-payload/
[dated February 9, 2021]
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The EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13G satellite will host the EGNOS GEO-4 payload. The satellite is being built by Airbus Defence and Space and is scheduled for launch in the first half of 2022.

But the launch provider has not yet been officially announced by Eutelsat.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - NET end of 2022
« Reply #11 on: 02/19/2022 05:41 pm »
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Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - NET end of 2022

At the end of 2022, no Ariane 64 will fly. That is not possible if according to the last reports
the Ariane 62 maiden flight will take place at the end of 2022. in the best case.
Ariane 64 will not launch immediately afterwards. There was no such thing with any new launcher, at most in the 50s and 60s.
Since all Eutelsat satellites to be launched have electric thrusters use to get into the GEO, it will take half a year.
Eutelsat has at most 2 slots on the last Ariane 5 launches for 4 satellites. Only the launch order for Eutelsat 10B is publicly known.

Somehow it all doesn't add up.

 ???

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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023
« Reply #12 on: 02/20/2022 04:19 am »
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Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F - NET end of 2022

At the end of 2022, no Ariane 64 will fly. That is not possible if according to the last reports
the Ariane 62 maiden flight will take place at the end of 2022. in the best case.
Ariane 64 will not launch immediately afterwards. There was no such thing with any new launcher, at most in the 50s and 60s.

Yes, you are correct, no Ariane 64 launches before 2023.  See this cross-post:
Quote from: Chris G tweet
Stéphane Israël (@arianespaceceo) notes up to 17 @Arianespace launches in 2022, with:
- 4 of the 5 Ariane 5s (only JUICE will remain)
- 9 Soyuz launches (4 from Guiana + 5 from Baikonur)
- 1 Ariane 6 flight [Ariane 62] (1st NET 2nd half 2022)
- 3 Vega-C missions (1st NET April 2022)
[Jan 6]
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SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hotbird 13F : Florida : NET 17 October, 2022
« Reply #13 on: 06/26/2022 05:47 pm »
Discussion Thread for launch of Eutelsat's Hotbird 13F.

NSF Threads for Hotbird 13F : Discussion

NET October 17, 2022 on Falcon 9 to GTO

Built by Airbus on the new Eurostar Neo platform.  4500kg.



NextSpaceFlight lists a launch with a satellite for Eutelsat in [NET] November that will expend B1049.

Based on the Eutelsat launch schedule this could be any of 10B, Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G.  All of them are electric propulsion and due to enter service in either H1 2023 or Q2/Q3 2023.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023
« Reply #14 on: 06/29/2022 07:56 pm »
Cross-post:
NextSpaceFlight lists a launch with a satellite for Eutelsat in November that will expend B1049.

Based on the Eutelsat launch schedule this could be any of 10B, Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G.  All of them are electric propulsion and due to enter service in either H1 2023 or Q2/Q3 2023.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023
« Reply #15 on: 07/07/2022 09:35 am »
First Eurostar Neo satellite passes mechanical tests
07/07/2022

The first satellite to be built under ESA’s Eurostar Neo programme has completed mechanical tests designed to demonstrate its ability to withstand the vibration that occurs during launch.

The satellite – called Eutelsat Hotbird 13F – is one of an identical pair developed by satellite manufacturer Airbus for satellite operator Eutelsat in an ESA Partnership Project.

The two satellites will reinforce and enhance the broadcast of more than a thousand television channels into homes across Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East after they are launched into geostationary orbit later this year, replacing three older satellites.

The mechanical tests were conducted by Airbus at its Astrolabe facilities in Toulouse, where the satellites earlier underwent thermal vacuum tests designed to demonstrate their ability to withstand the vacuum and extreme temperatures experienced in space. Experts from Airbus, ESA and Eutelsat supervised the tests.

The satellites are now in their flight configuration and will undergo thorough verification sequences before being prepared for launch.

The Eurostar Neo product line is developed in the frame of ESA’s programme of Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems (ARTES) and the French Programme d’Investissement d’Avenir (PIA), in cooperation with space agencies from ESA Member States. It is managed jointly by ESA and the French Space Agency, CNES.

The Neosat programme comprises both Eurostar Neo by Airbus and Spacebus Neo by Thales Alenia Space, and Eutelsat is the first satellite operator to commit to both platforms. The programme includes development up to in-orbit validation of the new satellite product lines for both companies, allowing the European space industry to deliver competitive satellites for the global commercial market.

Some 16 Neosat satellites have now been sold by European companies, and the programme is predicted to generate more than 20 times the return on investment to its 12 participating states and their space companies, according to an independent analysis by Euroconsult.

ESA Partnership Projects allow European industry to maintain and continue developing their competitiveness on the worldwide commercial market and enable greater risk sharing, where ESA bears the risks related to the development of innovative solutions and the partner assumes the commercial risks to respond to market needs.


https://www.esa.int/Applications/Telecommunications_Integrated_Applications/First_Eurostar_Neo_satellite_passes_mechanical_tests
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023
« Reply #17 on: 07/27/2022 07:17 pm »
First Eurostar Neo satellite passes mechanical tests
07/07/2022
https://www.esa.int/Applications/Telecommunications_Integrated_Applications/First_Eurostar_Neo_satellite_passes_mechanical_tests

Cross-post re: Eutelsat Hotbird 13F:
https://advanced-television.com/2022/07/08/eutelsat-hotbird-13f-passes-tech-tests/ [July 8]
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The European Space Agency (ESA) says that its first satellite to be built under its Eurostar ‘Neo’ programme has completed mechanical tests designed to demonstrate its ability to withstand the vibration that occurs during launch.
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The mechanical tests were conducted by Airbus at its Astrolabe facilities in Toulouse, where this craft – and a sister satellite – earlier underwent thermal vacuum tests designed to demonstrate their ability to withstand the vacuum and extreme temperatures experienced in space. Experts from Airbus, ESA and Eutelsat supervised the tests.
<snip>
Eutelsat Hotbird 13F is an ‘all electric’ craft and is set to be launched later this year.

No mention of a launch timeframe for Hotbird 13G.

If true, then it possibly means that the two Hotbird satellites are not launching together.

It also means 13F is not launching aboard an Ariane 6, as its first launch is not until 2023.

Could this be evidence that Hotbird 13F is the expendable Falcon 9 payload scheduled for November 2022?

Or, would 13F and 13G remain paired as a dual payload aboard said Falcon 9?  They are 4500 kg each.  The maximum F9 expended GTO payload is 8300 kg.  Is a launch to a substantially sub-GTO orbit with a months-long electric propulsion rise to GTO possible?

This is cross-posted to the SpaceX launch sub-forum.
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NextSpaceFlight lists a launch with a satellite for Eutelsat in November that will expend B1049
Based on the Eutelsat launch schedule this could be any of 10B, Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G.  All of them are electric propulsion and due to enter service in either H1 2023 or Q2/Q3 2023.

Cross-post:
Cross-post re: Eutelsat Hotbird 13F:
https://advanced-television.com/2022/07/08/eutelsat-hotbird-13f-passes-tech-tests/ [July 8]
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The European Space Agency (ESA) says that its first satellite to be built under its Eurostar ‘Neo’ programme has completed mechanical tests designed to demonstrate its ability to withstand the vibration that occurs during launch.
<snip>
The mechanical tests were conducted by Airbus at its Astrolabe facilities in Toulouse, where this craft – and a sister satellite – earlier underwent thermal vacuum tests designed to demonstrate their ability to withstand the vacuum and extreme temperatures experienced in space. Experts from Airbus, ESA and Eutelsat supervised the tests.
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Eutelsat Hotbird 13F is an ‘all electric’ craft and is set to be launched later this year.

No mention of a launch timeframe for Hotbird 13G.

If true, then it possibly means that the two Hotbird satellites are not launching together.

It also means 13F is not launching aboard an Ariane 6, as its first launch is not until 2023.

Could this be evidence that Hotbird 13F is the expendable Falcon 9 payload scheduled for November 2022?

Or, would 13F and 13G remain paired as a dual payload aboard said Falcon 9?  They are 4500 kg each.  The maximum F9 expended GTO payload is 8300 kg.  Is a launch to a substantially sub-GTO orbit with a months-long electric propulsion rise to GTO possible?

This is cross-posted to the SpaceX launch sub-forum.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023?
« Reply #19 on: 07/28/2022 08:59 pm »
Cross-post; no changes to Hotbird 13F or 13G in-service quarters:
The Eutelsat 10B in-service date has now slipped from H1 2023 to Q3 2023.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220725005935/en/Eutelsat-Communications-Full-Year-2021-22-Results [July 26]
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NextSpaceFlight lists a launch with a satellite for Eutelsat in November that will expend B1049
Based on the Eutelsat launch schedule this could be any of 10B, Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G.  All of them are electric propulsion and due to enter service in either H1 2023 or Q2/Q3 2023.

Cross-post; no changes to Hotbird 13F or 13G in-service quarters:
The Eutelsat 10B in-service date has now slipped from H1 2023 to Q3 2023.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220725005935/en/Eutelsat-Communications-Full-Year-2021-22-Results [July 26]
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This short term launch order could be the result of a canceled ILS Proton-M launch.
Probably for one of the two Hotbird satellites.

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2.4 Impacts of the Russo-Ukrainian war
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As of 30 June 2022, Eutelsat S.A. had a receivable of 37 million dollars from a supplier of fixed assets, ILS, following the termination of a launcher contract. The ability to recover this receivable will be reassessed at regular intervals as required by developments in the situation.
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source: https://www.eutelsat.com/files/PDF/investors/2021-22/EC_consolidated_financial_statements_FY22.pdf

The apparently well-informed Stefan Barensky had already given a hint there.
The answer from Eutelsat CEO Eva Berneke was interesting.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OsTNX-Krby8&t=3523s
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This short term launch order could be the result of a canceled ILS Proton-M launch.
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2.4 Impacts of the Russo-Ukrainian war
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As of 30 June 2022, Eutelsat S.A. had a receivable of 37 million dollars from a supplier of fixed assets, ILS, following the termination of a launcher contract. The ability to recover this receivable will be reassessed at regular intervals as required by developments in the situation.
...

source: https://www.eutelsat.com/files/PDF/investors/2021-22/EC_consolidated_financial_statements_FY22.pdf
Or the loss on an unused launch option or options?
See this thread: ILS Proton-M - Eutelsat launches 2016-2023 Agreement
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023?
« Reply #23 on: 08/09/2022 07:42 pm »
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@Eutelsat_SA  #HOTBIRD 13F and 13G are almost ready for the launchpad! 🚀

https://twitter.com/AirbusSpace/status/1556655585491390464

This is the thread for these two satellites.
Even if the two don't launch together on an Ariane 64. My opinion.
Most likely with another launch provider, separately.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023?
« Reply #24 on: 08/10/2022 10:45 am »
This is the thread for these two satellites.
Even if the two don't launch together on an Ariane 64. My opinion.
Most likely with another launch provider, separately.

Wouldn't it be better to create 1 thread for each satellite, if combined launch isn't sure ?

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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023?
« Reply #25 on: 08/10/2022 02:17 pm »
There are threads for launches.  If this launch is no more then new threads will be created for the new launches.
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Intelsat made some FCC ground station filings to support LEOP of "Hotbird F1", which isn't actually a real name.  I'm guessing that should be Hotbird 13F.  The launch date given is October 17.
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Intelsat made some FCC ground station filings to support LEOP of "Hotbird F1", which isn't actually a real name.  I'm guessing that should be Hotbird 13F.  The launch date given is October 17.
I'm guessing that you meant Eutelsat. I didn't know that the two companies were collaborating.

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Airbus contracted with Intelsat for ground station support.  The filing was from Intelsat.  The satellite is not Intelsat's.

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Intelsat made some FCC ground station filings to support LEOP of "Hotbird F1", which isn't actually a real name.  I'm guessing that should be Hotbird 13F.  The launch date given is October 17.

Wouldn't Hotbird 13G be more likely? The plan seems to be for it to launch before 13F (based on the table a few posts above).

Maybe F1 isn't a typo, but some kind of alternative designation?

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Could be 13G

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This short term launch order could be the result of a canceled ILS Proton-M launch.
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2.4 Impacts of the Russo-Ukrainian war
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As of 30 June 2022, Eutelsat S.A. had a receivable of 37 million dollars from a supplier of fixed assets, ILS, following the termination of a launcher contract. The ability to recover this receivable will be reassessed at regular intervals as required by developments in the situation.
...

source: https://www.eutelsat.com/files/PDF/investors/2021-22/EC_consolidated_financial_statements_FY22.pdf
Or the loss on an unused launch option or options?
See this thread: ILS Proton-M - Eutelsat launches 2016-2023 Agreement

37 million dollars for an option?  It also says launcher contract.

With the highly flexible Breeze-M, Eutelsat would have had an excellent orbit for an all-electric 4.5t Hotbird.
The Falcon-9 can't do that, not even expendable.

Intelsat made some FCC ground station filings to support LEOP of "Hotbird F1", which isn't actually a real name.  I'm guessing that should be Hotbird 13F.  The launch date given is October 17.

Wouldn't Hotbird 13G be more likely? The plan seems to be for it to launch before 13F (based on the table a few posts above).

Maybe F1 isn't a typo, but some kind of alternative designation?

It may also be that Hotbird 13G gets the better orbit, i.e. an expendable Falcon 9.
With Hotbird 13G, Eutelsat wants to get the money for the EGNOS payload as soon as possible.
A total of 100 million euros in 15 years.
Hotbird 13F is not so urgent, but should also be launched this year.
I think both will be shipped from France to Florida together by boat and will be launched in quick succession.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G (?) - 2023?
« Reply #32 on: 08/16/2022 09:47 pm »
More regarding the launch of a Eutelsat geocom satellite aboard an expendable Falcon 9.  Hotbird 13G?
Intelsat made some FCC ground station filings to support LEOP of "Hotbird F1", which isn't actually a real name.  I'm guessing that should be Hotbird 13F.  The launch date given is October 17.  [Filing dated August 15.]
Wouldn't Hotbird 13G be more likely? The plan seems to be for it to launch before 13F (based on the table a few posts above).
Could be 13G
It may also be that Hotbird 13G gets the better orbit, i.e. an expendable Falcon 9.
With Hotbird 13G, Eutelsat wants to get the money for the EGNOS payload as soon as possible.
A total of 100 million euros in 15 years.
Hotbird 13F is not so urgent, but should also be launched this year.
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Why do we think this satellite exists at all? No one can seem to find which satellite is even being talked about nor has Eutelsat mentioned using Falcon 9 at all, which would be historically unusual for them as they always use Ariane vehicles. I would think there would be some kind of peep given that we're now less than 2 months out from launch.

And of all the satellites mentioned on this page, they're all listed by Gunter as using Ariane 5 or Ariane 6 vehicles.

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/eutelsat-10b.htm
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/hotbird-13f.htm
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Now there's a filing for LEOP ground station support of the other Hotbird sat, NET November 7.  Again no launch details given.

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Re: CANCELLED? - Ariane 64 VA2XX - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G
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Cross-post; regarding Hotbird 13F?
Now there's a filing for LEOP ground station support of the other Hotbird sat [Hotbird F2], NET November 7.  Again no launch details given.  [Aug 30]
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Now there's a filing for LEOP ground station support of the other Hotbird sat, NET November 7.  Again no launch details given.
If Hotbird 13F launches on another Falcon 9, might Eutelsat pay for SpaceX to expend another older first stage?  To maximize the GTO and minimizing the delta-v and time to achieve GEO?

I think both [Hotbirds] will be shipped from France to Florida together by boat and will be launched in quick succession.
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Intelsat expects the LEOP period to last approximately 150 days.

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Intelsat expects the LEOP to last approximately 165 days.

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Now there's a filing for LEOP ground station support of the other Hotbird sat, NET November 7.  Again no launch details given.
If Hotbird 13F launches on another Falcon 9, might Eutelsat pay for SpaceX to expend another older first stage?  To maximize the GTO and minimizing the delta-v and time to achieve GEO?

I think both [Hotbirds] will be shipped from France to Florida together by boat and will be launched in quick succession.

My thinking is that the one that has expendable first stage has iSpace as their rideshare and adds enough mass to need an expendable launch to GTO. But that's a total guess.

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Wikipedia Ariane 5 page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_5

has 10B on Ariane 5 with a ref.

It also has 13F on Ariane 5 but AFAICS the ref doesn't seem to support this being an Ariane 5 launch.
Nevertheless, there may have been some reason for having 13F there and not 13G even if it isn't currently supported by a ref.

On the other hand
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=6114.2520
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Wikipedia Ariane 5 page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_5

has 10B on Ariane 5 with a ref.

It also has 13F on Ariane 5 but AFAICS the ref doesn't seem to support this being an Ariane 5 launch.
Nevertheless, there may have been some reason for having 13F there and not 13G even if it isn't currently supported by a ref.

On the other hand
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=6114.2520
has

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NET Q2 - Eutelsat Hotbird 13G - Ariane 64 - Kourou ELA-4
and not 13F

As a Wikipedia contributor, I can tall you that most of the times news go from here to Wikipedia and not the other way around, so if the Wikipedia entry is still displaying an Ariane 5 launch is probably because of a lack of solid sources towards any other direction

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HOTBIRD 13F [...] will be positioned at 13 degrees east along with its twin satellite, HOTBIRD 13G, also built by Airbus and being launched later this year.

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-09-first-airbus-eurostar-neo-satellite-ready-for-shipment-to-launch
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So this one is Hotbird 13F and I'd bet the one next month with expendable booster is likely Hotbird 13G with that moon lander that was supposed to go as rideshare. Would make sense for that one to have expendable booster as it needs more payload to GTO than normal and would be bad for SpaceX to do subsynch GTO on that one (Hotbird 13G is electric and it would take a lot longer, plus the lunar lander might have a harder time to get there)

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The first of Airbus’ next generation geostationary Eurostar Neo satellites 🛰️, @Eutelsat_SA #HOTBIRD 13F, is ready to be shipped to Cape Canaveral for launch preparations. 🚀
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First Airbus Eurostar Neo satellite ready for shipment to launch site

HOTBIRD 13F to offer EUTELSAT state of the art broadcast capability

With its twin HOTBIRD 13G, both satellites will broadcast over 1,000 television channels across Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East

Toulouse, 13 September 2022 – The first of Airbus’ next generation geostationary Eurostar Neo satellites is ready to be shipped to Cape Canaveral for launch preparations.

HOTBIRD 13F will inaugurate the Eurostar Neo satellite era, while still benefiting from Airbus' strong heritage of 80 Eurostar family satellites already launched. It will be positioned at 13 degrees east along with its twin satellite, HOTBIRD 13G, also built by Airbus and being launched later this year.

The Eurostar Neo pair feature increased payload capacity, more efficient power and thermal control systems than previous generation and will replace three Eutelsat satellites currently in orbit at this location.

Francois Gaullier, Head of Telecommunications & Navigation Systems at Airbus said: “Eutelsat has been a valued partner for many Airbus satellite firsts from pioneering the previous Eurostar E3000 generation, to electric orbit raising or the first fully flexible payload – and now with our first Eurostar Neos. This new platform has been developed thanks to the support of ESA, showing the power of partnerships between industry, agencies and commercial players in Europe.”

The HOTBIRD 13F and 13G satellites will both have more than two tons of payload, spacecraft power of 22 kW and yet a launch mass of only 4,500 kg, thanks to Electric Orbit Raising. They will enhance Eutelsat’s ability to serve its 135 million customers across Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.
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First Eurostar Neo satellite ready to ship

13/09/2022

The first satellite to be built under ESA’s Eurostar Neo programme stands ready to be shipped to its launch site.

The satellite – called Eutelsat Hotbird 13F – is one of an identical pair developed by satellite manufacturer Airbus for satellite operator Eutelsat in an ESA Partnership Project designed to foster innovation and competitiveness in the European space industry.

Once launched into geostationary orbit some 36 000 km above Earth, the twin satellites will reinforce and enhance the broadcast of more than a thousand television channels into homes across Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East, replacing three older satellites.

The Eurostar Neo satellite has now completed all its on-ground testing, including thermal and mechanical environmental test campaigns and all final integrated system tests. These included a checkout of all on-board systems and deployment of the solar arrays and antennas in the Airbus integration and test facilities in Toulouse, France.

This constitutes a major project milestone because it paves the way for the final customer review and shipment to launch site.

Eutelsat will now complete its internal review process before shipment to the launch site in Florida.

Elodie Viau, Director of Telecommunications and Integrated Applications at ESA, said: “I am proud to see that the first satellite to be developed under the ESA Eurostar Neo Partnership Project with Airbus is ready for shipment to its launch site. ESA works with the European space industry to foster innovation for success in the competitive global market for telecommunications satellites, creating jobs and prosperity in Europe.”

The completion of the first satellite provides an end-to-end validation of the complete Eurostar Neo product line concept, from design to fully tested product.

Seven other Eurostar Neo spacecraft have been sold by Airbus. They are at various stages of design and manufacturing and will all benefit from improvements drawn from this first build.

ESA’s Neosat programme comprises both Eurostar Neo by Airbus and Spacebus Neo by Thales Alenia Space. It includes development up to in-orbit validation of new satellite product lines for both companies, allowing the European space industry to deliver competitive satellites for the global commercial satellite market.

Sixteen Neosat satellites have now been ordered, demonstrating the high economic impact of the ESA’s Partnership Projects, which foster the development of sustainable end-to-end systems up to in-orbit validation.

Neosat is part of ESA’s programme of Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems (ARTES) and is supported by the French space agency, CNES, and the UK Space Agency, as well as 14 other Member States.

https://www.esa.int/Applications/Telecommunications_Integrated_Applications/First_Eurostar_Neo_satellite_ready_to_ship
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And a Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the Hotbird 13F comsat for Eutelsat in mid October.

http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html

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Likely using this FCC licence

1452-EX-ST-2022
Mission 1498 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC, and the experimental recovery operation following the Falcon 9 launch
NET early October
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SFN has now listed this launch on October 14, 03:25-05:24 UTC = 11:25 pm October 13 - 1:24 am October 14 EDT.

Also "The Falcon 9’s first stage booster will land on a drone ship in the Atlantic Ocean.".
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Ben Cooper concurs:

Quote from:  http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html
And a Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the Hotbird 13F comsat for Eutelsat on October 13 at 11:25pm EDT

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Another major milestone for ESA’s Neosat Partnership Project, with departure of the first Eurostar Neo satellite to its launch site. Called Eutelsat Hotbird 13F, the satellite was built by @AirbusSpace for operator @Eutelsat_SA under an ESA Partnership Project @Partner_InOrbit

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it look 12.10 will be launch 13f

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October 3 update:
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Oct. 12/13 • Falcon 9 • Hotbird 13F
Launch window: 0325-0524 GMT on 13th (11:25 p.m.-1:24 a.m. EDT on 12th/13th)
Launch site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida
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Phew, Space Coast Live is gonna give me a lot of work spotting boosters if they keep launching like this. Just a few minutes ago another Falcon 9 booster passed by the VAB at KSC, likely to be B1069-3 for Hotbird 13F launch next week from SLC-40.

B1073 - Lower right picture..

https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1577810330662707200
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As expected, this launch date is no longer feasible due to Galaxy 33/34 delays. Ben Cooper now lists October TBD launch date on his website.

SpaceX usually needs a gap of at least 5 or 6 days between launches from the same pad.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hotbird 13F : Florida : October 2022
« Reply #58 on: 10/09/2022 02:20 am »
Now October 14 UTC (late October 13 EDT) per this NGA notice.

Quote from: NGA
080100Z OCT 22
NAVAREA IV 1055/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   140325Z TO 140611Z OCT, ALTERNATE
   0325Z TO 0611Z DAILY 15 THRU 19 OCT AND
   200326Z TO 200609Z OCT
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35.76N 080-34.98W, 28-38.00N 080-29.00W,
      28-37.00N 080-11.00W, 28-33.00N 080-10.00W,
      28-31.00N 080-17.00W, 28-31.00N 080-33.28W,
      28-31.68N 080-33.61W.
   B. 28-56.00N 075-59.00W, 29-02.00N 072-55.00W,
      28-40.00N 071-53.00W, 28-01.00N 071-53.00W,
      27-37.00N 072-49.00W, 28-10.00N 075-58.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 200709Z OCT 22.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hotbird 13F : Florida : October 2022
« Reply #59 on: 10/09/2022 10:05 am »
Now October 14 UTC (late October 13 EDT) per this NGA notice.

Quote from: NGA
080100Z OCT 22
NAVAREA IV 1055/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   140325Z TO 140611Z OCT, ALTERNATE
   0325Z TO 0611Z DAILY 15 THRU 19 OCT AND
   200326Z TO 200609Z OCT
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35.76N 080-34.98W, 28-38.00N 080-29.00W,
      28-37.00N 080-11.00W, 28-33.00N 080-10.00W,
      28-31.00N 080-17.00W, 28-31.00N 080-33.28W,
      28-31.68N 080-33.61W.
   B. 28-56.00N 075-59.00W, 29-02.00N 072-55.00W,
      28-40.00N 071-53.00W, 28-01.00N 071-53.00W,
      27-37.00N 072-49.00W, 28-10.00N 075-58.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 200709Z OCT 22.

Nice, that would be a new pad turnaround record.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hotbird 13F : Florida : October 2022
« Reply #60 on: 10/10/2022 03:33 pm »
https://twitter.com/raul74cz/status/1579492546103107589

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Launch Hazard Areas for #Eutelsat HB13F mission from CCSFS SLC-40, valid for NET 14 Oct 03:25 UTC, alternatively 15 to 19 Oct based on issued NOTMAR. Booster 1069.3 landing 663km downrange. Estimated fairing recovery position approx. 781km downrange. bit.do/LHA20

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https://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html [Oct 10 version]
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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Hotbird 13F communication satellite for Eutelsat on October 14 or 15 at 11:25 p.m. EDT.

This seems to me to be ruling out late 13th EDT(early 14th UTC) which the NGA says is still possible.

Cancel and replace NGA to come?

Edit later 10 October version slightly changed to say
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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Hotbird 13F communication satellite for Eutelsat on October 14 at 11:26 p.m. EDT.
(This still suggests 15th 03:26 UTC.)
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L-3 launch weather forecast is 90% GO with all additional risk criteria low

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Just Read the Instructions departed Port Canaveral last night.

Doug will tow the droneship ~663km downrange for the Hotbird 13F mission.

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launch currently scheduled for the evening of 14 October EDT, early morning 15 October CEST.

https://twitter.com/esa/status/1579851670007476224

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On Friday at 7:26 PM ET, B1069 will be making its 3rd flight with Hotbird 13F.

This booster's previous missions were:

• CRS-24
• Starlink 4-23

https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1579847680649744384

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B1069 had a rough first mission but happy to finally see it launching regularly!

https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1579847684604956672

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On Friday at 7:26 PM ET, B1069 will be making its 3rd flight with Hotbird 13F.

This booster's previous missions were:

• CRS-24
• Starlink 4-23

https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1579847680649744384
She deleted this tweet, probably because the time was incorrect.  Still looks like 11:26PM EDT on Oct 14
« Last Edit: 10/12/2022 12:20 pm by Ersan »

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The expected cancel-and-replace NGA notice:

Quote from: NGA
120611Z OCT 22
NAVAREA IV 1072/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING:
   A. 150325Z TO 150547Z OCT, ALTERNATE
      0325Z TO 0547Z DAILY 16 THRU 19 OCT AND
      0326Z TO 0545Z DAILY 20 AND 21 OCT
      IN AREA BOUND BY
      28-35.76N 080-34.98W, 28-38.00N 080-29.00W,
      28-37.00N 080-11.00W, 28-33.00N 080-10.00W,
      28-31.00N 080-17.00W, 28-31.00N 080-33.28W,
      28-31.68N 080-33.61W.
   B. 150325Z TO 150611Z OCT, ALTERNATE
      0325Z TO 0611Z DAILY 16 THRU 19 OCT AND
      0326Z TO 0609Z DAILY 20 AND 21 OCT
      IN AREA BOUND BY
      28-56.00N 075-59.00W, 29-02.00N 072-55.00W,
      28-40.00N 071-53.00W, 28-01.00N 071-53.00W,
      27-37.00N 072-49.00W, 28-10.00N 075-58.00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 1055/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 210709Z OCT 22.//

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L-2 launch weather forecast, no real change still at 90% GO
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https://twitter.com/airbusspace/status/1580232783439564801

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#HOTBIRD 13F launch 🚀 is getting closer.
In a few days, the Airbus-built telecoms satellite 🛰️ will lift off.
Here’s how the spacecraft was built and tested in Airbus' facilities to prepare for its missions for @eutelsat_sa.
#EurostarNeo #Connectivity

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Cape Canaveral/Kennedy Space Center, FL temporary restriction:
From October 15, 2022 at 0255 UTC to To October 15, 2022 at 0547 UTC
Altitude: From the surface up to and including 18,000ft
tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/det…
Likely:Hotbird-13F (rocketlaunch.live/launch/hotbird…)

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Launching soon🚀on board a @SpaceX Falcon 9: EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F, the first of two #satellites to be placed at our flagship 13° East position.

➡️Bringing the newest resources at #Eutelsat EMEA’s leading #TV neighbourhood & enhanced services📺🎥 #infiniteconnectivity

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https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1580648065337171972

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Targeting Friday, October 14 for a Falcon 9 launch of the Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13F mission to orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 in Florida. The 116-minute window opens at 11:26 p.m. ET →

https://www.spacex.com/launches/eutelsat-hotbird-13f/

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SpaceX is targeting Friday, October 14 for launch of the Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13F mission to a geosynchronous transfer orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The 116-minute launch window opens at 11:26 p.m. ET (03:26 UTC on October 15). A backup launch opportunity is available on Saturday, October 15 with the same window.

The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously launched CRS-24 and one Starlink mission. After stage separation, the first stage will land on the Just Read the Instructions droneship, which will be stationed in the Atlantic Ocean.

A live webcast of this mission will begin about 15 minutes prior to liftoff.

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L-1 launch weather forecast unchanged, 90% GO

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Upcoming launch of #Eutelsat #HOTBIRD13F mission via #SpaceX's #Falcon9 vehicle

Booster supporting this mission

https://twitter.com/_rykllan/status/1580933602027577344

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https://twitter.com/tgmetsfan98/status/1581003584766083072

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A night launch is on tap for the space coast, as a SpaceX Falcon 9 is readying for the Hotbird-13F mission for Eutelsat.

B1069-3 will ascend from SLC-40 at 11:26 PM EDT (03:26 UTC) toward geostationary transfer orbit.

By Justin Davenport (@Bubbinski):

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/10/hotbird-13f/

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A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket is set for blastoff at 11:26pm EDT tonight (0326 GMT) with Eutelsat’s Hotbird 13F television broadcasting satellite.

The mission will mark the 100th launch by SpaceX from pad 40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1581073987253063681

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The first in a new line of Airbus-built comsats is stowed for launch on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket tonight from Cape Canaveral, ready for a mission to beam hundreds of TV channels to Eutelsat customers across Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1581056926078889984

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Spaceflight Now livestream.

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T-1 hour.

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Looks like a new T-0 of 04:26 UTC.

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Confirmation of delay by SpaceX.

"New T-0 of 12:26 a.m. ET for tonight's Falcon 9 launch of Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13F to allow additional time for data review"

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1581111041605308416
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T-1 hour 30 minutes.

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Clock held at T-1 hour 8 minutes and 16 seconds ... and now counting down again.

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Clock reset to T-2 hours and 2 minutes and counting down. I calculate the new T-0 to be 05:22 UTC, which is the end of the window.

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Confirmation of delay by SpaceX.

"Now targeting 1:22 a.m. ET for launch of Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13F"

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1581123191807696896
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T-1 hour 30 minutes.

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SpaceX mission control audio.

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T-40 minutes. Poll is complete and SpaceX is go for propellant load.

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Tanks venting for propellant load.

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T-35 minutes. Launch autosequence has started. First stage RP-1 and LOX loading and second stage RP-1 loading should be starting about now.
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T-25 minutes. Vapour coming off first stage.
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Stage 2 fuel load complete.

T-20 minute vent.
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T-16 minutes. Second stage LOX loading has started.
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T-15 minutes. Spacecraft on internal power.
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SpaceX webcast has begun.
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T-7 minutes. Engine chill should be starting about now.
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T-6 minutes. Stage 1 fuel load is complete.
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T-1 minute. Falcon 9 is in startup.

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First stage separation.

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Entry burn.

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LAUNCH! Falcon 9 B1069 launches with Hotbird-13F from SLC-40.

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Cutoff. Nominal orbit insertion.

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T+9 minutes. Upcoming events.

00:29:12    2nd stage engine restarts (SES-2)
00:30:10    2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2)
00:36:11    Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13F deploys
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The audience of stablemates in Port!

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SpaceX Falcon 9 B1069 lands on drone ship "Just Read The Instructions."

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View of the engine and payload.
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Expected LOS Bermuda.
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T+20 minutes. Heading towards the African coast.
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Falcon 9 streaks to orbit from Cape Canaveral, Florida at 1:22 a.m. EDT this morning with Eutelsat’s Hotbird 13F satellite headed to a geosynchronous transfer orbit

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Falcon 9 puts on a show for a group of high school kids from Atlanta who just happened to win the vacation lottery!

Hotbird-13F making its way to geostationary orbit.

Overview: nasaspaceflight.com/2022/10/hotbir…
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AOS Gabon.
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One minute to second ignition for 58 seconds.
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SpaceX threads the needle and lift offs just in time.
Congratulations on another successful launch!
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Estimated 56,074 km super-synchronous apogee and 1655.2 m/s delta-V to GSO.

Enter initial perigee height (km): 483
Enter SpaceX speed (km/h): 35244
Enter initial orbit inclination (deg): 28

Estimated inertial speed = 10231.8 m/s
Estimated apogee height = 56074.0 km

Enter required inclination change (deg): 28
Enter final orbit height (km): -1
Geosynchronous altitude = 35786.0 km

Burn at 56074.0 km: theta1 = 28.00 deg, dv1 = 1380.5 m/s
Burn at 35786.0 km: theta2 =  0.00 deg, dv2 =  284.9 m/s
dv = 1665.5 m/s

Burn at 56074.0 km: theta1 = 26.62 deg, dv1 = 1360.0 m/s
Burn at 35786.0 km: theta2 =  1.38 deg, dv2 =  295.3 m/s
dv = 1655.2 m/s
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Expected LOS Gabon.

One minute to separation.
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Payload separation confirmed.
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S/C Sep for Hotbird 13F following launch on SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket from SLC-40.

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AOS Diego Garcia and Maldives.

End of SpaceX webcast.

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SpaceX beams Hotbird-13F into orbit.

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Something something Hotbird over the Moon. We had to wait until the end of the window, but Hotbird is on the way to orbit.

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The first satellite built under ESA’s #EurostarNeo programme has launched. Built by @AirbusSpace for @Eutelsat_SA, ESA fosters innovation in the European space industry that creates jobs and prosperity in Europe..

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The first #EurostarNeo satellite launched at 05:22 BST/06:22 CEST on 15 October..

It is one of a pair, the second of which is due to launch next month. They will enhance connectivity across thousands of European homes..

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This early morning's launch of Eutelsat Hotbird-13F in 15 seconds.

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PRESS RELEASE - 15 OCTOBER 2022 11:58
Successful launch of EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F satellite

- First of two satellites to be placed at Eutelsat’s flagship 13-degree East position
- Capex optimization with replacement of three existing satellites by two, and application of design-to-cost policy
- Bringing newest resources and enhanced services at Eutelsat EMEA’S leading TV neighbourhood
- First satellite based on the electrical propulsion Eurostar Neo platform fostering innovation and competitiveness in the European space industry

Paris, 15 October 2022 – Eutelsat Communications (Euronext Paris: ETL) announced that EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F satellite was successfully launched into Geostationary Transfer Orbit by American space launch provider SpaceX using a Falcon 9 rocket that lifted off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, USA at 01.22 pm Eastern time on October 15th (corresponding to 5.22 am UTC and 7.22 am CET on October 15th).

The separation of the all-electric satellite occurred after a 35-minute flight and the spacecraft systems initialisation was successfully completed over a period of 3 hours.

EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F is one of two satellites built by manufacturer Airbus Defence and Space. EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F is based on the Eurostar Neo telecommunications satellite platform, developed under an ESA Partnership Project with Airbus designed to foster innovation and competitiveness in the European space industry.

Once into orbit and positioned, the satellite EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F will, with its twin EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13G, reinforce and enhance the broadcast of more than a thousand television channels into homes across Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East. Moreover, the satellites will offer advanced features in terms of uplink signal protection and resilience.

The two satellites will be replacing three older satellites at Eutelsat’s 13° East flagship neighbourhood position.

Pascal Homsy, Eutelsat Chief Technical Officer said:

"Our congratulations to the Eutelsat, Airbus and SpaceX teams for successfully launching our EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F satellite into geostationary orbit. This satellite brings the latest technology resources of the new Eurostar Neo platform at our leading 13-degree East position and confirms a long-term partnership between Airbus and Eutelsat”.

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2022-134A/54048 in 397 x 56040 km x 26.87° (S/C)
2022-134B/54049 in 396 x 56243 km x 26.87°
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2022-134A/54048 in 397 x 56040 km x 26.87° (S/C)
2022-134B/54049 in 396 x 56243 km x 26.87°

Sorry if this is obvious, but which one of these is F9 and which one is Hotbird? Both are spacecraft. :D

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2022-134A/54048 in 397 x 56040 km x 26.87° (S/C)
2022-134B/54049 in 396 x 56243 km x 26.87°

Sorry if this is obvious, but which one of these is F9 and which one is Hotbird? Both are spacecraft. :D
The one marked “(S/C)” is active - maneuvering and transmitting. The other isn’t a “spacecraft” anymore - it’s “debris.” ;)
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Timelapse of this morning’s Falcon 9 launch of the Eutelsat Hotbird 13F satellite from Cape Canaveral, Florida

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One second intervals, all shot at the same camera settings and edited in the same exact way (white balance, shadows, highlights etc) to convey both the brightness and color changes during a nighttime launch. Initially bummed the clouds came in but it made for a dynamic timelapse.

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CelesTrak has GP data for 2 objects from the launch (2022-134) of Eutelsat's HOTBIRD 13F atop a Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral on Oct 15 at 0522 UTC:

https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1581345116186243073

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Higher res SpaceX launch photos


In the last photo, are the flame streaks just above the horizon (and below the Moon) from the first stage re-entry / landing burns?
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Here is a comparison of the webcast telemetry from the Galaxy 33-34 and HotBird 13F missions.

The HotBird payload mass was about 4,500kg, compared to Galaxy 33-34 at 7,150kg. This difference enabled the HotBird second stage to insert the satellite into a much higher super-synchronous transfer orbit of 397 x 56,243km, compared to a circular GEO orbit at 35,786km, and the Galaxy transfer orbit of 300 x 19,800km.

In the last photo, are the flame streaks just above the horizon (and below the Moon) from the first stage re-entry / landing burns?

The re-entry streak is broken by a cloud layer. The landing burn would be below the horizon at that range.

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Update / Update

With the 47th release this year for@SpaceX, this is how the company's booster garage looks.

https://twitter.com/SpaceNosey/status/1581667916038037504
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Doug and JRTI droneship have departed the Hotbird-13F LZ

Vessel is self reporting arrival on Wednesday.

The support tug SpaceX uses, Kurt Crosby, was swapped at sea during the mission with sister Crosby Skipper

Skipper is now sailing to the Starlink LZ to support ASOG on Thur.

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Orbital Launch no. 140 of 2022

Hotbird 13F | SpaceX | Oct 15 | 0326 UTC

@SpaceX successfully launched @Eutelsat_SA's #Hotbird13F geostationary comm atop its #Falcon9 (booster #B1069.3) from
@SLDelta45  SLC-40.

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Doug, JRTI and B1069 should arrive at Port Canaveral on Wednesday afternoon - approx.

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Doug, JRTI and B1069 should arrive at Port Canaveral on Wednesday afternoon - approx.

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Falcon 9 fairing separation captured through a telescope from Hotbird-13F #SpaceX @elonmusk

Extended cut ➡️ youtu.be/yvu510I2Uns
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Doug and B1069-3 are inbound to Port Canaveral.
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B1069 returns after its 3rd mission. Humans for scale.

The missions this booster flew were:
• CRS-24
• Starlink 4-23
• Hotbird 13F

https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1582884575671627777

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Arrival! SpaceX Falcon 9 B1069 returns to Port Canaveral + two fairing halves on Bob!

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1582885412162654208

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Click through to twitter to see shot clearly:

https://twitter.com/jennyhphoto/status/1583117866185814016

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B1062 launches with Starlink 4-36 while B1069-3 sits at Port Canaveral after arriving last night.

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Mandatory selfie:

Work got in the way of catching 1069 vertical but I still caught it in port. Sigh. I'll stop back after work to see 1062 which was waiting for entry offshore.

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1584152936912863233

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The gangs all here! Bob, Doug, JRTI, ASOG, Crosby Skipper, alongside 2 Falcon 9 Boosters B1062 and B1069 are all present in port Canaveral. A brief rest is in order for the fleet, as the next scheduled offshore landing is almost a month out. Next up, Falcon Heavy!

https://twitter.com/JerryPikePhoto/status/1584244449042784256

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B1062 and B1069 in Port Canaveral this morning

https://twitter.com/tweetsitweets/status/1584184152764518400

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Based on the video of the booster landing, I believe these 2 World Cup balls were launched on this mission:

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Thanks to @FIFAWorldCup and @QatarAirways for entrusting SpaceX and the Starlink team to fly two World Cup balls to space and back! Learn more → http://worldcup.starlink.com

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From space to the football pitch. We brought the official football for FIFA World Cup Qatar™️, becoming part of this historical out of the world journey together with @SpaceX and @FIFAcom.

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status/1601955504913268736
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Nice easter egg.
Liftoff for St. Jude's! Go Dragon, Go Falcon, Godspeed Inspiration4!

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Sat is currently up to 19459 x 55753 km, 4.01 deg

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Hotbird 13F reached GEO. The inclination will be reduced a little more.
longitude is about 1.5° E,  position for testing?
screenshot CelesTrak
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The Airbus-built Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13F satellite has reached its geostationary orbit, 36,000km away after five months of Electric Orbit Raising (EOR). It has completed comprehensive testing at its orbital position ahead of entering full service. For this purpose, it was equipped with a camera at the tip of one of the robotic arms hosting the electric propulsion thrusters, allowing us to share this satellite selfie.

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/news/2023-03-geo-eye-spy-first-eurostar-neo-selfie-from-eutelsats-hotbird-13f-satellite

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https://twitter.com/eutelsat_sa/status/1639226272466235392

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📸🛰💫The exceptional photos snapped by the Heimdal camera on board are that of the #EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F #geo #satellite!
Its orbit raising complete, now in its In Orbit Testing (IOT) position, it will undergo a series of tests before entering into service in Q2 of 2023.

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First Eurostar Neo satellite reaches operational orbit

29/03/2023

The first Eurostar Neo satellite built under ESA’s Neosat Partnership Project has completed its electric orbit raising to reach its geostationary position some 36 000 kilometres above Earth.

The satellite – called Eutelsat Hotbird 13F – was developed and built by satellite manufacturer Airbus for satellite operator Eutelsat. It is one of a pair of satellites, replacing the three current Hotbird satellites, that will reinforce and enhance the broadcast of more than a thousand television channels into homes across Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East.

The satellite was launched into geostationary transfer orbit in October 2022 and has since spent five months climbing into its geostationary position using electric propulsion to raise its orbit.

Electric propulsion thrusters are highly efficient and use much less fuel than their chemical counterparts, enabling much larger payloads to be delivered into geostationary orbit using the same launcher.

ESA’s Neosat Partnership Project comprises both Spacebus Neo by Thales Alenia Space and Eurostar Neo by Airbus. It includes development up to in-orbit validation of new satellite product lines for both companies, allowing the European space industry to deliver competitive satellites for the global commercial satellite market.

Sixteen Neosat satellites have been ordered so far, demonstrating the major economic impact that ESA’s Partnership Projects have for the European space industry and for the benefit of Europe’s citizens.

Neosat is part of ESA’s programme of Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems (ARTES) and is based on cooperation between ESA and the French space agency, CNES, with support from national agencies including the UK Space Agency.

https://www.esa.int/Applications/Telecommunications_Integrated_Applications/First_Eurostar_Neo_satellite_reaches_operational_orbit
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Hotbird-13F has left its test position at 1.5° East a few days ago.
However, not in the direction to operating slot 13° E, but in the opposite direction and has stopped the drift at about 0.4°-0.5° E. strange
Possibly to free up the 1.5° E slot for Hotbird-13G.
There hasn't been a TLE update from 13G for 4 days, so I don't know exactly where it is at the moment.
The last orbit data was very close to the GEO.
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Hotbird-13F is still on its "parking slot" at 0.5°E and probably doing nothing.
Its unequal twin Hotbird-13G (with EGNOS), which reached the GEO later, is already been in operation for a few weeks.
Why Eutelsat was in such a hurry to launch the Hotbird-13F is unclear.
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Hotbird-13F is still on its "parking slot" at 0.5°E and probably doing nothing.
Its unequal twin Hotbird-13G (with EGNOS), which reached the GEO later, is already been in operation for a few weeks.
Why Eutelsat was in such a hurry to launch the Hotbird-13F is unclear.
Cheaper have it in orbit and not need it, two to secure their broadcast slot

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Shortly after Eutelsat-10B left the test position at 1.6 degrees East a few days ago, Hotbird-13F has moved again.
This time from 0.5 deg E to exactly 1.4 deg E and not to 1.5 deg E as in the beginning.
 ???
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Hotbird 13F is now apparently heading to 13 deg. East.
The commissioning of Hotbird 13F was early April at 0.5 deg. East, where he was active until early July.
Only Eutelsat knows, why he stopped afterwards for a month at 1.4 deg. East.

Eutelsat, FULL YEAR 2022-23 RESULTS, [07/27/2023] :

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Fourth Quarter revenues stood at €45 million, up by 25.8% year-on-year and by 45.0% quarter-on-
quarter. This increase was mainly due to a one-off contract of €14m with the German space agency,
DLR, whereby EUTELSAT HOTBIRD 13F provided a service from April at the 0.5°Eorbital position, prior
to its commissioning at 13°E, expected in Q3 2023 (calendar).

0.5 deg. East is the GEO position of the late Heinrich Hertz satellite.
14 million €, not bad, Eutelsat!...German tax money...grrr
« Last Edit: 08/06/2023 05:47 pm by GWR64 »

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