According to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.Source, PBdeS: https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1039537710434840576
Quote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.Source, PBdeS: https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1039537710434840576let me make it clear that this launch is the first of 2 ViaSat-3 EMEA satellites with options for further ViaSat-3 EMEA and ViaSat-3 Asia satellites.Original full sized constellation coverage plan including expansion options before EUTELSAT backed out was:ViaSat-3 EMEA (Europe and Middle East)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Atlantic)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Central)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Pacific)ViaSat-3 Asia (West)ViaSat-3 Asia (Central)ViaSat-3 Asia (East)Current initial coverage plan post EUTELSAT:ViaSat-3 EMEA (Europe and Middle East)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Central)ViaSat-3 Asia (East)
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 09/11/2018 05:48 pmQuote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.Source, PBdeS: https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1039537710434840576let me make it clear that this launch is the first of 2 ViaSat-3 EMEA satellites with options for further ViaSat-3 EMEA and ViaSat-3 Asia satellites.Original full sized constellation coverage plan including expansion options before EUTELSAT backed out was:ViaSat-3 EMEA (Europe and Middle East)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Atlantic)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Central)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Pacific)ViaSat-3 Asia (West)ViaSat-3 Asia (Central)ViaSat-3 Asia (East)Current initial coverage plan post EUTELSAT:ViaSat-3 EMEA (Europe and Middle East)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Central)ViaSat-3 Asia (East)I don't think that is correct? The first two are supposed to be for the Americas and for EMEA, with a later one for Asia. Considering the problems ViaSat has had even trying to arrange the first 3 I would have to think that expanded plan was very speculative and not all that serious.
Quote from: gongora on 09/11/2018 06:09 pmQuote from: russianhalo117 on 09/11/2018 05:48 pmQuote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.Source, PBdeS: https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1039537710434840576let me make it clear that this launch is the first of 2 ViaSat-3 EMEA satellites with options for further ViaSat-3 EMEA and ViaSat-3 Asia satellites.Original full sized constellation coverage plan including expansion options before EUTELSAT backed out was:ViaSat-3 EMEA (Europe and Middle East)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Atlantic)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Central)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Pacific)ViaSat-3 Asia (West)ViaSat-3 Asia (Central)ViaSat-3 Asia (East)Current initial coverage plan post EUTELSAT:ViaSat-3 EMEA (Europe and Middle East)ViaSat-3 EMEA (Central)ViaSat-3 Asia (East)I don't think that is correct? The first two are supposed to be for the Americas and for EMEA, with a later one for Asia. Considering the problems ViaSat has had even trying to arrange the first 3 I would have to think that expanded plan was very speculative and not all that serious.There are still contract options to build the rest of the satellites. The bottom list is what is currently procured:
The 551 configuration provides the performance to deliver a ViaSat-3 satellite into a high-energy geostationary transfer orbit where it can begin on-orbit operations faster than with other available launch vehicles.
QuoteThe 551 configuration provides the performance to deliver a ViaSat-3 satellite into a high-energy geostationary transfer orbit where it can begin on-orbit operations faster than with other available launch vehicles. ViaSat must really want that bird into operation faster considering they are willing to pay the extra money for a 551 configuration.
According to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.
Quote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.The next question I have is why didn't they bid? Was the required orbit too high for either Falcon Heavy or Ariane 5? Was the required timeline too short?
Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 09/12/2018 05:55 amQuote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.The next question I have is why didn't they bid? Was the required orbit too high for either Falcon Heavy or Ariane 5? Was the required timeline too short?Other factors as before EUTELSAT dropped out to create its own new fleet of HTS and VHTS sats Ariane-5ECA was the launcher of choice due to domestic cost advantage.
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 09/12/2018 06:07 amQuote from: Steven Pietrobon on 09/12/2018 05:55 amQuote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.The next question I have is why didn't they bid? Was the required orbit too high for either Falcon Heavy or Ariane 5? Was the required timeline too short?Other factors as before EUTELSAT dropped out to create its own new fleet of HTS and VHTS sats Ariane-5ECA was the launcher of choice due to domestic cost advantage.Like Gwynne suggested: ask Viasat why Arianespace and SpaceX didn't bother to bid.Speculation: Something about the Viasat-3 RFP must have been either really unattractive or impossible to do for Arianespace and SpaceX.
Quote from: woods170 on 09/12/2018 07:00 amQuote from: russianhalo117 on 09/12/2018 06:07 amQuote from: Steven Pietrobon on 09/12/2018 05:55 amQuote from: soltasto on 09/11/2018 04:41 pmAccording to statements by SpaceX's COO and ArianeSpace's CEO neither company bid on this launch.The next question I have is why didn't they bid? Was the required orbit too high for either Falcon Heavy or Ariane 5? Was the required timeline too short?Other factors as before EUTELSAT dropped out to create its own new fleet of HTS and VHTS sats Ariane-5ECA was the launcher of choice due to domestic cost advantage.Like Gwynne suggested: ask Viasat why Arianespace and SpaceX didn't bother to bid.Speculation: Something about the Viasat-3 RFP must have been either really unattractive or impossible to do for Arianespace and SpaceX.Yeah, and we will not know what that is. There are too many options, just to speculate about a few: Maybe it does not fit into the F9 fairing and is too large for dual launch in an Ariane. Single launch with Ariane could be too expensive. Or maybe it has vibration requirements that both launchers cannot meet. Or it wants direct GEO insertion which requires expendable core FH or single launch with Ariane. Who knows? The range of possibilities is too large to determine the reason.
They didn't procure two satellites for EMEA and they haven't procured the third satellite yet.
...The new first of the news spacecraft for the american market is scheduled to launch in late 2019 or early 2020 and is expected to provide more than 15 years of service life. The second satellite for EMEA will follow soon after. The asian satellite is not yet ordered. The first two busses were were firmly contracted with Boeing in July 2016 for ViaSat 3 Americas and ViaSat 3 EMEA.ViaSat 3 EMEA was originally to be procured jointly with Eutelsat, but in May 2018, Eutelsat dropped out of the joint venture....
Quote from: gongora on 09/11/2018 06:26 pmThey didn't procure two satellites for EMEA and they haven't procured the third satellite yet.This contradicts your statement:https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/viasat-3.htmQuote...The new first of the news spacecraft for the american market is scheduled to launch in late 2019 or early 2020 and is expected to provide more than 15 years of service life. The second satellite for EMEA will follow soon after. The asian satellite is not yet ordered. The first two busses were were firmly contracted with Boeing in July 2016 for ViaSat 3 Americas and ViaSat 3 EMEA.ViaSat 3 EMEA was originally to be procured jointly with Eutelsat, but in May 2018, Eutelsat dropped out of the joint venture....
Or maybe they just weren't allowed to bid or were asked to not bid.
.@ViasatInc on choice of @ulalaunch Atlas 5 w/o soliciting bids from @Arianespace or @Spacex: 'Viasat doesn't follow traditional procurement practices. We've engaged in discussions w/ multiple launch providers for the ViaSat-3 constellation, including SpaceX and Arianespace.'
Quote from: Brovane on 09/12/2018 02:25 amQuoteThe 551 configuration provides the performance to deliver a ViaSat-3 satellite into a high-energy geostationary transfer orbit where it can begin on-orbit operations faster than with other available launch vehicles. ViaSat must really want that bird into operation faster considering they are willing to pay the extra money for a 551 configuration. The military did this as well. They used a 551 to put MUOS-5 (a similar size satellite) into a 3790 km x 35706 km x 19.1o GTO, needing only about 1410 m/s to GEO.