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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #620 on: 10/22/2025 06:29 am »
Why it’s never aliens, until it is:


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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #621 on: 10/26/2025 04:40 pm »

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #622 on: 10/29/2025 05:03 pm »
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But as Scientific American reports, there are other reasonable explanations for the lights identified in the research that are probably more likely. They could be radiation in the upper atmosphere caused by atomic weapons testing, for instance, or sightings of high-altitude balloons that were used to monitor nuclear detonations during the era. Or they might just be cosmological phenomena that are still observed today, like gamma-ray bursts, that were caught on equipment from the era.

One thing’s for certain: the research is controversial — SciAm notes that arXiv.org, a pre-print repository that will generally host a very broad range of studies as they’re scrutinized by the scientific community, declined to accept the paper that was ultimately accepted by Scientific Reports.

https://futurism.com/space/vasco-palomar-lights-nuclear

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #623 on: 10/29/2025 07:30 pm »
Interview with Jill Tarter

We’ve Only Searched One Glass of the Cosmic Ocean for Aliens

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Oct 29, 2025
Neil deGrasse Tyson and Jill Tarter discuss why radio waves are the primary method for searching for extraterrestrial life, referencing Carl Sagan’s Contact, the challenges of detecting signals across cosmic distances, and Jill’s famous analogy that humanity’s search is like scooping a single glass of water from the ocean to look for fish. Their conversation highlights both the profound implications of discovering intelligent life and the hope it could provide for humanity’s long-term survival.

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #624 on: 10/29/2025 11:30 pm »
Interview with Jill Tarter

We’ve Only Searched One Glass of the Cosmic Ocean for Aliens

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Oct 29, 2025
Neil deGrasse Tyson and Jill Tarter discuss why radio waves are the primary method for searching for extraterrestrial life, referencing Carl Sagan’s Contact, the challenges of detecting signals across cosmic distances, and Jill’s famous analogy that humanity’s search is like scooping a single glass of water from the ocean to look for fish. Their conversation highlights both the profound implications of discovering intelligent life and the hope it could provide for humanity’s long-term survival.



This presupposes the non-existence of alien civilizations that have engaged in stellar engineering or galaxy wide colonization at a scale that would be easily visible from Earth.

A billion year old civilization could be at Kardashev 3 scale, and this seems to be excluded by default in the argument that distant civilizations are hard to detect for us outside of the “glass” worth of ocean we have so far studied.

A galaxy hosting a Kardashev 3 civilization would be easily detectible at a distance of more than a billion light years.

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #625 on: 10/30/2025 06:29 pm »
Interview with Jill Tarter

We’ve Only Searched One Glass of the Cosmic Ocean for Aliens

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Oct 29, 2025
Neil deGrasse Tyson and Jill Tarter discuss why radio waves are the primary method for searching for extraterrestrial life, referencing Carl Sagan’s Contact, the challenges of detecting signals across cosmic distances, and Jill’s famous analogy that humanity’s search is like scooping a single glass of water from the ocean to look for fish. Their conversation highlights both the profound implications of discovering intelligent life and the hope it could provide for humanity’s long-term survival.



This presupposes the non-existence of alien civilizations that have engaged in stellar engineering or galaxy wide colonization at a scale that would be easily visible from Earth.

A billion year old civilization could be at Kardashev 3 scale, and this seems to be excluded by default in the argument that distant civilizations are hard to detect for us outside of the “glass” worth of ocean we have so far studied.

A galaxy hosting a Kardashev 3 civilization would be easily detectible at a distance of more than a billion light years.

Yeah, this kind of argument requires either that

-  civilizations don't develop into anything like a Kardashev 3 (whether due to some kind of Great Filter, or just that line of development not being in fact practical for anyone, perhaps because some other harder to observe line of development is pursued instead)
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- the universe's habitability window started later than we might assume (early solar systems are different from later forming ones in some significant way) so billion year old civilizations simply don't exist, though there may be many young civilizations (in which case the light showing development of large scale engineering in distant galaxies wouldn't have reached us yet)

If the obvious lines of development for a high technology civilization (higher than we've reached currently) end up being things that aren't very visible, there's very little chance of finding anything. Nobody is going to contact us directly for a long time (assuming that the speed of light limit is absolute from everyone); even 200 light years away there wouldn't be any technosignatures visible from Earth yet.

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #626 on: 10/31/2025 09:07 am »
SETI Institute accelerates the search for life beyond earth with NVIDIA IGX Thor

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The SETI Institute announced that it will incorporate the new NVIDIA IGX Thor platform to enhance its real-time search for signals from space at the Allen Telescope Array (ATA) in Northern California. The collaboration brings cutting-edge AI technology—built for demanding real-world environments—into radio astronomy for the first time at this scale.

The ATA’s 42 antennas scan the sky for radio signals that may reveal cosmic events or, one day, evidence of intelligent life. Using the NVIDIA IGX Thor platform, the SETI Institute will be able to process and interpret these signals directly at the telescope, dramatically reducing the time it takes to recognize unusual or promising data.

“NVIDIA IGX Thor enables us to run AI inference and GPU-accelerated signal processing workloads closer to the edge,” said Luigi Cruz, Staff Engineer at the SETI Institute. “Its compact form factor and power efficiency makes it an ideal development platform for our next-generation pipeline, which is based on NVIDIA Holoscan.”

This new collaboration builds on the SETI Institute’s earlier success with NVIDIA IGX Orin, which powered the world’s first real-time AI search for fast radio bursts (FRBs)— flashes of radio energy that last milliseconds. The move to IGX Thor will expand those capabilities, allowing researchers to analyze more of the sky, more quickly, and with greater precision.

“By combining scientific curiosity with advanced technology, we’re transforming how we explore the universe,” said Dr. Andrew Siemion, Bernard M. Oliver Chair for SETI at the SETI Institute. “The new NVIDIA platform gives us the reliability and performance to run complex AI models right at the telescope. It’s an incredible step forward for our mission.”

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1103696

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #627 on: 11/05/2025 08:10 pm »
Self-Replicating Probes Could be Operating Right now in the Solar System. Here's How We Could Look for Them
https://www.universetoday.com/articles/self-replicating-probes-could-be-operating-right-now-in-the-solar-system-heres-how-we-could-look-for
A new study proposes how we could look for signs of self-replicating (Von Neumann) probes that would prove that the Solar System has been explored by an advanced extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI).

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #628 on: 11/06/2025 04:18 pm »
From the UT article:
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According to new research by Professor Alex Ellery of Carleton University (go Ravens!), these probes may have already visited the Solar System

There's no new research. It's a summary and proposal paper, not a research paper. And Ellery himself makes no claims otherwise, only the writer of the UT article. Ellery is proposing to look for signs of things like unusual radiologicals, suggesting artificial reactors, not proposing that he has evidence for such.

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #629 on: 11/09/2025 01:24 am »
SETI Nebula processing progress report dated 28 September 2021:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85783
SETI Nebula processing progress report dated 21 November 2021:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85810
The SETI Era is coming to an end at the UC Berkeley Space Science Laboratory as SETI's computer and science hardware was moved to the UC System's surplus and dispositions campus. SETI continues its legacy programme wind down in preparations to move off UCB property.

Another bittersweet milestone.We're cleaning out our lab at Space Sciences, and saying goodbye to a lot of history.
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The SETI and SETI@HOME data ranking and processing project's final research processing update for the Nebula final backend processing project and for Arecibo based data is below with the ongoing follow up observations phase having since moved to the ultramodern FAST Observatory after the collapse of the project's previous main observatory. Two stalled research papers with the findings await publication pending the results of the FAST follow-up observations. SETI has since moved on to its successor projects including PanoSETI.

SETI Nebula processing progress report dated 03 March 2023:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85996
SETI@home papers accepted for publication dated 18 June 2025:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=86160


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Two papers on SETI@home will be published in The Astronomical Journal, a well-regarded scientific journal:

SETI@home: Data Acquisition and Front-End Processing describes SETI@home's data recorder, splitter, and client program. It covers the five detection types, their parameters and statistics, and the algorithm for finding them.

SETI@home: Data Analysis and Findings describes the back end (Nebula) and its results: RFI removal, candidate finding and ranking. It explains how artificial signals, or 'birdies', were used to optimize algorithms and estimate overall sensitivity.

There will probably be another paper at some point.
As noted via the forum announcement post link these are research papers NOT technical reports.
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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #630 on: 11/27/2025 12:40 pm »
SETI Institute Welcomes Dr. Christina (Chrissy) Richey as Director of Partnerships & Business Development
https://www.seti.org/news/seti-institute-welcomes-dr-christina-chrissy-richey-as-director-of-partnerships-business-development/



2009 article

Despite the long odds against success, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence has come a long way.
https://www.nature.com/articles/461316a

in 2022

'A Chinese Telescope Did Not Find an Alien Signal. The Search Continues.'
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/18/science/china-alien-signal.html

maybe Gaia's 2026 release will cover or debunk the Rare Earth models

February 2025

Discovery of massive exoplanet and a brown dwarf, massive “Super-Jupiter” exoplanets
https://scitechdaily.com/gaia-just-found-two-massive-objects-that-shouldnt-exist-and-astronomers-are-stunned/

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #631 on: 11/29/2025 01:17 pm »
TRAPPIST‑1 e Revealed: Peering Inside an Exoplanet’s Atmosphere
https://www.seti.org/news/trappist-1-e-revealed-peering-inside-an-exoplanet-s-atmosphere/

This is How the James Webb Will Find Breathable Atmospheres

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #632 on: 12/10/2025 06:56 am »

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #633 on: 12/11/2025 07:37 pm »
Cool Worlds - The Most Tragic Solution to the Fermi Paradox:


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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #634 on: 12/11/2025 08:42 pm »
Cool Worlds - The Most Tragic Solution to the Fermi Paradox:


Well, that's 16 minutes I won't get back. Remarkable how someone can take an idea that merited about 60 seconds (if that), and drag it out.

Spoiler: He thinks the easiest way to detect alien civilizations is to look for evidence of their last moments. E.g. a big nuclear war would be detectable at a much greater range than any other signal a civilization like ours could send. Of course, you'd have to be watching lots of stars over a long period of time, since what you're looking for wouldn't last more than a day or two. Still, it does suggest a program of study, and that's worth something, I guess.

But it's not really related to the Fermi Paradox, as I see it. The paradox isn't that we aren't detecting alien civilizations; it's that we are here at all. For most the past two billion years, Earth has been an attractive colonization target for a particular kind of civilization. (I.e. one like us!) Oxygen atmosphere. No life on land. Nothing interesting in the oceans. In all that time, though, no one tried to "terraform" the Earth. Why not? Over all those billions of years, there was never a civilization like us? Everyone was the stay-at-home type? Or all such civilizations destroyed themselves before reaching Earth? Every last one of them? Or there was some galactic government that protected even empty planets? And that had authority for billions of years? Seriously?

There are various answers to this, of course, but what's presented in the video does not address the issue, and it is way, way too long for what it contains.

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Re: General SETI Thread
« Reply #635 on: 01/07/2026 03:28 pm »
not exactly the plot of Star Trek 4 Voyage Home


Whales blow bubble rings--And they might be talking to us
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/06/250607231851.htm

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"Because of current limitations on technology, an important assumption of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence is that extraterrestrial intelligence and life will be interested in making contact and so target human receivers," said Dr. Laurance Doyle, SETI Institute scientist and co-author on the paper. "This important assumption is certainly supported by the independent evolution of curious behavior in humpback whales."

"Humpback whales live in complex societies, are acoustically diverse, use bubble tools and assist other species being harassed by predators," said co-lead author Dr. Fred Sharpe, UC Davis Affiliate. "Now, akin to a candidate signal, we show they are blowing bubble rings in our direction in an apparent attempt to playfully interact, observe our response, and/or engage in some form of communication."

"Humpback whales often exhibit inquisitive, friendly behavior towards boats and human swimmers," said co-lead author Jodi Frediani, marine wildlife photographer and U.C. Davis Affiliate. "We've now located a dozen whales from populations around the world, the majority of which have voluntarily approached boats and swimmers blowing bubble rings during these episodes of curious behavior."

The team's findings were recently published in Marine Mammal Science in a paper titled "Humpback Whales Blow Poloidal Vortex Bubble Rings." The study analyzes 12 bubble ring-production episodes involving 39 rings made by 11 individual whales.

Can AI Talk to the Animals?
https://cacm.acm.org/news/can-ai-talk-to-the-animals/

How Many Hz Can the Human Eye Actually See?
https://biologyinsights.com/how-many-hz-can-the-human-eye-actually-see/

How do different animals hear?
https://www.audionova.com/blog/hearing-health/how-do-different-animals-hear/

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