The Skyhiker-Skyhitch SSTO system uses a small spaceplane that is towed/pushed most of the way up. The components are:A) Two small Skyhiker SSTO spaceplanes. The L-SSTO launches from Earth to orbit. The R-SSTO returns from orbit to Earth. Skyhiker is similar to X-37B upscaled by 2X.B) Two jet tow planes. One tows L-SSTO to altitude. The other tows R-SSTO back to home base. To minimize development costs, these are existing jets with a tow cable added.C) One large Skyhitch tow rocket. This brakes from orbit and returns to orbit with L-SSTO. To minimize development costs, this is shaped like the Space Shuttle Orbiter. Internally it's a flying fuel tank that uses internal pressure for structural strength and open cycle cooling of the TPS to minimize the mass that must be reboosted back to orbit.This system assumes CO/LOX resupply in space. See my Deimos dust potato gun rocket for LMO atmospheric scooping.Skyhiker's launch procedure is:1) L-SSTO is hitched to tow jet on runway.2) Jet launches and tows L-SSTO to high altitude. The rocket is optimized for high altitude/vacuum.3) L-SSTO boosts to 2km/s as R-SSTO brakes to meet it. Mass ratio about 2:1.10T Payload10T L-SSTO dry mass20T Fuel4) R-SSTO pushes L-SSTO from 2km/s up to 4km/s as Skyhitch brakes to meet it. Mass ratio about 2:1. Note that R-SSTO's cargo tank is filled with fuel.10T Payload10T L-SSTO dry mass10T R-SSTO dry mass30T Fuel5) Skyhitch pushes L-SSTO from 4km/s up to 7.8km/s. Mass ratio about 4:1.10T Payload10T L-SSTO dry mass20T Skyhitch dry mass120T Fuel6) R-SSTO glides to second jet for towing back toward home base. It lands horizontally.In a sense, Skyhitch replaces a giant first stage. But since Skyhitch never returns to the ground, it doesn't need landing gear and it doesn't need to be integrated with an upper stage on the ground. This avoids costs associated with a reusable TSTO. Instead, ground operations are airplane-like (very cheap!).Note that the pushing operations take place in vacuum after L-SSTO has emptied its fuel tanks. This eliminates aerodynamic forces and mitigates pushing ring force. It's quite a contrast with a traditional multi-stage rocket, where the lower stages must accelerate the fully fueled upper stages through the lower atmosphere.Because Skyhitch externally looks like the STS Orbiter, it might be initially launched by SLS, bolted onto the side. That would look...amusing.
Because Skyhitch externally looks like the STS Orbiter, it might be initially launched by SLS, bolted onto the side. That would look...amusing.
The other tows R-SSTO back to home base.
The Space Shuttle Orbiter has demonstrated that it is indeed possible to brake from orbit, while performing S-turns that provide a large amount of cross-range capability and which reaches a specific narrow target slot and altitude (otherwise, it would crash somewhere other than the landing runway). There is some development required to replace the heavy STS's TPS tiles with an open cycle cooled system, but I think that may be the best option since it reduces the amount of dry mass that must be accelerated back from 4km/s to orbit.
Well, we typically don't call strap on boosters another stage
Quote from: IsaacKuo on 01/24/2017 01:19 amThe other tows R-SSTO back to home base. Why? Just let it land itself.
Quote from: Jim on 01/24/2017 01:09 pmQuote from: IsaacKuo on 01/24/2017 01:19 amThe other tows R-SSTO back to home base. Why? Just let it land itself.Depending on the specifics, such as launching to the ISS orbit from KSC, it would be over the Atlantic Ocean heading east. While it might use parachutes and floats to land on the ocean, you've got to deal with ocean water damage (especially to the engines) and a time consuming recovery process.
You'd better have to mixed propulsion (jet-rocket) suborbital space planes refueling in suborbital flight at the top of a parabola. Only a single rendezvous and propellant transfer.
Quote from: Archibald on 01/24/2017 03:48 pmYou'd better have to mixed propulsion (jet-rocket) suborbital space planes refueling in suborbital flight at the top of a parabola. Only a single rendezvous and propellant transfer. The dry mass of a jet engine would eat away at the payload, and would add greatly to development costs (in contrast to being towed by an already existing jet). Fuel transfer could, in principle, make things more efficient. Originally, I conceived of the SSTO as refueling in mid-boost.The launch SSTO could take off much lighter, and it would top off at altitude from a tanker. The returning SSTO could refuel the launch SSTO at 2km/s and the R-SSTO's dry mass wouldn't need to be re-accelerated up to 4km/s.But carbon monoxide/lox are cryogenic fuels. You'd have to develop a dual feed cryogenic aerial refueling system rather than using an off-the-shelf tanker jet. And such an aerial refueling system would be heavier than a simple tow hook and a pushing ring.(I'm not sure whether a pushing ring would be better or a tow cable. Here, I illustrate a pushing ring at the rear of the SSTO. But I do like the idea of using a tow cable for all steps.)
There's at least 4 stages for this ... "SSTO". Google "skyhook structure" for a far more practical way to do what you are trying to accomplish. This is what I assumed you were going to describe based on the thread title.
This Skyhitch concept can support multiple launch sites and can service a different orbit each time thanks to the turning capability of the winged space planes while braking. Bleeding speed down to 2km/s or 4km/s allows turning by a large angle and large cross range capability.
Also, it's harder to latch onto a skyhook because the window is very brief. An 2km/s arc could start with a 600m/s upward velocity, offering two minutes to hook up before starting to renter thicker air. And even then, gliding together offers more time to hook up. Depending on the mass of the payload, there will be a variable extra margin of delta-v to make up for gliding drag.
I've finally figured out a way to use cable towing for all steps, eliminating the nose push tail ring.
So what is protecting the cable from aeroheating at 2km/sec?
I don't really have the inclination to argue with someone who doesn't think it's possible to pitch upward with an aircraft, braking while changing the heading to 15 degree upward (thus entering an upward ballistic trajectory).Mid-air refueling is a thing that actually happens.
Controlled gliding from orbit to a specific altitude and position actually happens.
What's the point of arguing with someone who denies that these things can be done?
1. I don't really have the inclination to argue with someone who doesn't think it's possible to pitch upward with an aircraft, braking while changing the heading to a 15 degree upward (thus entering an upward ballistic trajectory).2. Controlled gliding from orbit to a specific altitude and position actually happens.
Quote from: Jim on 01/25/2017 01:44 pmSo what is protecting the cable from aeroheating at 2km/sec?The thinness of the atmosphere at the altitudes used, along with choice of cable material to let it handle the heating that it does encounter. My guess is that some type of steel may be the best choice, since it can be pretty durable under a wide range of conditions.
The thinness of the atmosphere at the altitudes used, along with choice of cable material to let it handle the heating that it does encounter. My guess is that some type of steel may be the best choice, since it can be pretty durable under a wide range of conditions.
This thread has some of the same nonsense. It was shown that it is not feasible to work for some of the same reasons. https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41207.0
Quote from: IsaacKuo on 01/25/2017 01:59 pmQuote from: Jim on 01/25/2017 01:44 pmSo what is protecting the cable from aeroheating at 2km/sec?The thinness of the atmosphere at the altitudes used, along with choice of cable material to let it handle the heating that it does encounter. My guess is that some type of steel may be the best choice, since it can be pretty durable under a wide range of conditions.What is your "altitude used" ?Let me quess: You have not decided it.SR-71 was flying at much lower speeds, at very high altitudes, and it needed titanium for critical parts of the airframe to survive the heat from the drag.
Quote from: IsaacKuo on 01/25/2017 01:52 pmI don't really have the inclination to argue with someone who doesn't think it's possible to pitch upward with an aircraft, braking while changing the heading to 15 degree upward (thus entering an upward ballistic trajectory).Mid-air refueling is a thing that actually happens. Supersonic or hypersonic mid-air-refueling does not happen. Refueling is currently only performed on subsonic speeds, AND it's only performed when both aircrafts are under thrust.
QuoteControlled gliding from orbit to a specific altitude and position actually happens... with huge wings, when this specific altitude is 0 so that there is LOTS OF TIME to do the manouvering.
Trying to rendeznous something running at hypersonic speed is totally different thing than landing into stationary runway.
You are messing up completely different things. Much easier things are done and you are using this as a claim that much harder things can be done.
It's fundamentally like trying to land on a runway with an extremely fast headwind.
Quote from: hkultala on 01/25/2017 02:04 pmQuote from: IsaacKuo on 01/25/2017 01:52 pmI don't really have the inclination to argue with someone who doesn't think it's possible to pitch upward with an aircraft, braking while changing the heading to 15 degree upward (thus entering an upward ballistic trajectory).Mid-air refueling is a thing that actually happens. Supersonic or hypersonic mid-air-refueling does not happen. Refueling is currently only performed on subsonic speeds, AND it's only performed when both aircrafts are under thrust.There are particular practical reasons why refueling is only done under those conditions, but they are not relevant to the control problem of aligning the two vehicles with great precision.
1. I don't know the exact altitude appropriate, but it would be something in the range of X-15 flight. The SR-71 was designed for sustained level flight, not short term ballistic flight like the X-15. 2. You use lift for maneuvering while braking, not for level flight while sustaining speed.3. In this regime, the Space Shuttle Orbiter has a lift:drag glide ratio of around 1:1. This sounds horrible, but it's actually just fine. You are trading speed for turning, which is a familiar concept for anyone familiar with air combat maneuvering - turning bleeds speed like crazy. But here's the point--it can be done and it has been demonstrated in real life. Hypersonic reentry research vehicles have done hairpin turns. That doesn't imply doing a hairpin turn while maintaining constant speed. No, a hairpin turn bleeds away a lot of speed.4. But we want to bleed away a lot of speed - and quickly! The more quickly the speed is bled, the shorter the exposure to heating. Most of this heating will be experienced by the wings, since they have the largest area.5. So, we do one or more S turns to bleed away speed and maneuver to the desired position and velocity to meet L-SSTO. At the end of this, we do a final upward turn to direct our velocity vector on a 15 degree upward angle
Quote from: IsaacKuo on 01/26/2017 06:09 amQuote from: hkultala on 01/25/2017 02:04 pmQuote from: IsaacKuo on 01/25/2017 01:52 pmI don't really have the inclination to argue with someone who doesn't think it's possible to pitch upward with an aircraft, braking while changing the heading to 15 degree upward (thus entering an upward ballistic trajectory).Mid-air refueling is a thing that actually happens. Supersonic or hypersonic mid-air-refueling does not happen. Refueling is currently only performed on subsonic speeds, AND it's only performed when both aircrafts are under thrust.There are particular practical reasons why refueling is only done under those conditions, but they are not relevant to the control problem of aligning the two vehicles with great precision.Yes they are. Things like shock wave of the first aircraft affects the control of the second aircraft
1. Non plausible. at X-15 highest altitudes, reaction control was needed. At the its lowest altitudes, 2km/sec would have too much heating.
There were talk in the aerospaceplane days of hypersonic refueling to be tested by a pair of X-15s. the idea was rightly discarded before flight testing began... while X-15 suborbital flights were rather begnin, hypersonic records took a toll on the structure, with the scramjet mockup standing on the way of the hypersonic flow.
Quote from: Archibald on 01/26/2017 04:31 pmThere were talk in the aerospaceplane days of hypersonic refueling to be tested by a pair of X-15s. the idea was rightly discarded before flight testing began... while X-15 suborbital flights were rather begnin, hypersonic records took a toll on the structure, with the scramjet mockup standing on the way of the hypersonic flow.{emphasis mine} I think Michael J. Adams (and others in ground control) would disagree with you.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-15_Flight_3-65-97