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Copenhagen Suborbitals will kick off their 2012 launch campaign starting with the first launch window July 27-29.



This year campaign will see the launch of:

Tycho Deep Space pad abort test
Friday the 27th July 10:00 to 15:00 CET
10-12 August
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/tychodeepspace.php
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/bigles.php

SMARAGD
Sunday 29 July 10:00 to 15:00 CET
Friday 27 July 10:00 to 14:00 CET
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/smaragd.php/

SAPPHIRE
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/sapphire.php

The Copenhagen Suborbitals Support group have been working on a video live feed that will be online for the event and can be found here:

http://www.livestream.com/csscph

Read more at:
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/index.php
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/campaign2012.php

YouTube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/CphSuborbitals

Picture gallery
https://profiles.google.com/copsub/photos

or in the Copenhagen Suborbitals general thread

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=28926.0

Regards
Morten
« Last Edit: 07/26/2012 06:49 am by Morten C. »

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #1 on: 07/10/2012 05:39 pm »
I underestimated this company and their abilities. I'm gladly eating my words. Love the sounding rocket and further work on the manned suborbital capsule and engine design. Hoping for a positive future outlook.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #2 on: 07/13/2012 02:16 am »
Ummm

The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them? 

Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?

cheers Peter

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #3 on: 07/13/2012 02:19 am »
Ummm

The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them? 

Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?

Apparently the nannys have already tried to have them shut down. They quickly approached their local representative, gave him a tour, told him their plans and got some political support.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #4 on: 07/13/2012 02:35 am »

Apparently the nannys have already tried to have them shut down. They quickly approached their local representative, gave him a tour, told him their plans and got some political support.


Good for them!  :D

Thank you, Morten, for the information -- much appreciated.  Will be watching (and hoping for the best).  :)

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #5 on: 07/13/2012 08:43 am »
Ummm

The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them? 

Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?

cheers Peter


Well in Denmark, like most other places, if there is not a law or regulation
against something, then it is allowed (To be honest don't think anyone even
imagine, that someone would come up with the idea of launch themself on a
rocket  :D ).
Ofcause there is the safty of third party, that have to be addressed, but that
is the case with most things in life. If rocket parts start to rain down on
people and their property, things will change fast.

Copenhagen Suborbitals adresses these issues partly by launch far away from
everything plus wanting to control the rocket and spaceship. Test this year will
see how far CS is. SMARAGD 1 and 2 will be a test to see if they can keep
contact with the rocket at high altitude, so they can send shotdown and abort
commands, if needed. SAPPHIRE 1 and 2 will test active guidance, to make sure
they can keep inside the designated area.

Now will it change once Peter Madsen take his seat in the capsule? Well I really
don't think so. It is not like it will come as a suprise to anyone, as they have
been open about, that this is their goal from the start. One can think this is
foolish or stupid, but there is no law against being stupid (Not that I think
they are!). I guess it is a matter of what kind of risk you are prepare to take
in your own life, as long it does not harm anyone else. That is a freedom you
have as a person. Peter once stated, he is aware of the risks, but if given the
choise, he rather die on top of his rocket, than die in a nursing home.

Another thing is they are not launching in Danish territory, but from
international waters, where Danish law as such does not apply. Ofcause if they
wanted to shut them down I am sure there is a way, but then again there is alot
of waters around the world.

Kristian touch the issue a little in these 2 blogs

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/when-did-we-all-become-such-wimps/
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/so-you-got-a-space-rocket-but-nowhere-to-launch-it/

Regards
Morten

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #6 on: 07/13/2012 08:57 am »
Ummm

The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them? 

Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?

Apparently the nannys have already tried to have them shut down. They quickly approached their local representative, gave him a tour, told him their plans and got some political support.


Well back in 2009 before CS was well known to the public, the minister of transportation was in the area on some other business. At first he thought it was candy camera  :D But after they gave him a tour he saw they are serious about it.

Other ministers have also aired their admiration, special after last year launch

Regards
Morten
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #7 on: 07/13/2012 09:01 am »

Thank you, Morten, for the information -- much appreciated.  Will be watching (and hoping for the best).  :)


You are welcome.
This way I can give a little back to this site, other than stupid questions  ;D

Regards
Morten

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #8 on: 07/13/2012 09:40 am »
I underestimated this company and their abilities. I'm gladly eating my words. Love the sounding rocket and further work on the manned suborbital capsule and engine design. Hoping for a positive future outlook.

Company is maybe to stretch it a bit, as CS is not selling anything. CS  is an open source non-profit project. They see themself as an amateur  rocket group, that might take it a little further than normal.
 Peter and Kristian do work fulltime on this project, supporting themself  with lectures. Apart from an unpaid intern, the rest is part time  specialists. Most of them is from Denmark, but there is people from New  Zealand, Russia, France and think I remember talk about a guy from US  that spend his vacation last summer in Denmark building rocket as well.
 
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #9 on: 07/18/2012 05:41 pm »
Google translate from Copenhagen Suborbitals Support website at http://raketvenner.dk

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Space Port Nexoe Update: Launch Schedule for 27th-29th July

Posted on July 18, 2012 by Jens Woeste

The following overall launch plan has been communicated from the Flight Director:

Tuesday 24 July

    Equipment + vanguard departing from HAB with Space Port Nexoe as destination

Thursday, 26 July

    Remaining personnel arrive at the Space Port Nexoe
    Stacking of rockets
    Refuelling of N2O

Friday the 27th July 10:00 to 15:00

    LES / Tycho Deep Space 1 (aka Beautiful Betty) launched from ESD139

Saturday 28 July

Reconfiguration of the MLP Sputnik (SMARAGD start ramp installed, etc..)

Sunday 29 July 10:00 to 15:00

    SMARAGD launched from ESD139

We will make sure to publish more detailed information on individual activities as soon as they become available.

There will in launches (Friday and Sunday) will be Mission Control in the Tycho Brahe Planetarium, as well as live stream TV CSS. We are currently working. on the final details about when the doors opened mm.

Stay tuned!


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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #10 on: 07/19/2012 10:29 am »
Video about the SMARAGD rocket, where the first one going to be launch Sunday 29 July

SMARAGD 1 Episode 1 The Rocket



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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #11 on: 07/22/2012 09:35 pm »
Pad abort test postponed due to the LES propellant tank failed the hydrostatic pressure test.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/07/t-minus-5-days-capsule-test-postponed-two-stage-rocket-still-go/

https://twitter.com/KvonBengtson
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LES propellant tank pressure test failure. LES/Capsule test postponed, next launch window in August. SMARAGD-1 rocket still go July 27-29..


Windows in August
Week 32, Aug 10-12
Week 34, Aug 24-26

More about the LES/TDS pad abort test



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T 00.00 sec: LES engine ignite. 80 kN thrust. Liftoff.

T +04.50 sec: LES motor burnout.

T +14.00 sec: LES-engine separation; explosive bolts fired

T +14.02 sec: LES-tower separation motor firing for 2 seconds with 10 kN thrust and remove LES tower.

T +16.00 sec: TDS topdome separation and drogue parachute unfolding

T +20.00 sec: TDS drogue parachute separation. Main parachute begin extraction within their deploymentbags.

T + 28.00 sec: TDS main parachute unfolded. Full-bearing after 8 seconds.

T + 28.00 plus: TDS hangs under the main parachute

T + 28.00 plus: TDS splashdown. Recovery started.

Information taken from

(Google translate) T-7 days. 2 x video premieres and lots of rocketnews!
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/07/t-minus-6-days-capsule-and-two-stage-rocket-launch-coming-up/

Regards
Morten

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #12 on: 07/22/2012 11:22 pm »
I'm still very excited about their suborbital sounding rocket. Compared to where they were 2 years ago, this is a big step forward. This vehicle, in the long run, will provide more information potential than a suborbital tourist capsule.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #13 on: 07/24/2012 08:17 am »
A small update from Peter Madsen on Raketvenner.dk (Google translate)

Looks like SMARAGD-1 is GO for Friday, July 27 between 10:00 and 14:00

LES/TDS was scrubbed because of the hydrostatic testing of the main engine nitrous oxide tank only reached 142%, supposed to 150%.
The deformation appeared in the common bulkhead. between the main engine tank and the seperation engine nitrous oxide tank. A new tank will be produced, and be ready in about a week. LES/TDS launch will be moved to next launch window 10-12 August.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #14 on: 07/26/2012 06:48 am »
Yesterday the hardware was packed and shipped to Nexoe

T minus 3 days – We Are (Still) Go for Launch

You can see the nominal flight events and pictures of the result of the hydrostatic test of the LES tanks.

Today CS start to unpack and setup to be ready for a launch tomorrow.

Kristian have also released their mission plan:

T minus 35 hours – Mission Plan

Short summary:

05:00 CET MLP Sputnik departs
07:30 CET Rest of the fleet departs
09:00 CET All arrive at ESD139
10:15 CET T minus 30 min

MLP Sputnik can be followed when online at

aprs.fi
marinetraffic

Regards
Morten


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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #15 on: 07/26/2012 04:52 pm »
Info from Space Port Nexoe

Foto Thomas Djursing/Ing.dk

Rocket is stacked and fueled

Gallery 1
Gallery 2

Google translate does not work on the galleries, as the text is embedded in javascript.
Might be too much to cut and paste all the text in here.

Article on ing.dk Smaragd rocket gets ready: Now CS shoot high ... and straight (Google translate)

Enjoy

Regards
Morten
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #16 on: 07/27/2012 03:55 am »
MLP Sputnik have left the port and is under way to the shooting range

Follow her here:
marinetraffic
aprs

Kristian von Bengtson on yesterdays work

T minus 11 hours – All Systems Go for Two-Stage DIY rocket


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Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
« Reply #17 on: 07/27/2012 04:12 am »
Copenhagen Suborbitals Support (CSS) got the english site up and running yesterday:

Livestream from Sapphire launch starts 27.july 8.00AM UTC (9.00AM Copenhagen time, 02.00AM Central standard time)
Expected schedule (all times Copenhagen time, UTC+1)
  • 7.30AM – Sputnik leaves Spaceport Nexø, heading for the launch site
  • 9.30AM – Earliest possible launchtime
  • 14.00PM – latest possible launchtime
  • 17.00 – expected return to Spaceport Nexø.

  • rocketfriends.org

    There is 2 livestreams:

    With commentary from Steen Eiler Jørgensen/CS
    www.livestream.com/csscph

    All available cameras
    http://www.livestream.com/cssaarhus

    « Last Edit: 07/27/2012 04:30 am by Morten C. »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #18 on: 07/27/2012 05:45 am »
    Rest of the fleet is starting to departs from Nexoe

    it is
    Leopold Rosenfelt Range safety/Recovery

    MHV 903 Hjortoe Mission control

    LRB 18 Range safety/Recovery

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #19 on: 07/27/2012 06:12 am »
    Article on the work behind the livestream

    Rocket friends getting ready to broadcast live from the Planetarium

    Hope it all work out so we get some live pictures  :)


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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #20 on: 07/27/2012 06:23 am »
    Live blog and sound from the control room at ing.dk

    You are able to make on the fly translation, by change the setting in the chat window. It is the same used last year, and from what i understand it made a OK job at translation as there was people from all around the world in there

    http://ing.dk/tema/raket





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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #21 on: 07/27/2012 07:45 am »
    Looks like it is live.... but with problems  :'(
    I am at the Tycho Brahe Planetarium, and they say there be no sound on the stream.



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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #22 on: 07/27/2012 08:23 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #23 on: 07/27/2012 08:32 am »
    Still ships in the range

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #24 on: 07/27/2012 08:35 am »
    Had to get back to MLP Sputnik to turn off the cams, because of the launch delay due to the ship in the range

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #25 on: 07/27/2012 08:38 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #26 on: 07/27/2012 08:42 am »
    Cam from rocket

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #27 on: 07/27/2012 08:58 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #28 on: 07/27/2012 09:04 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #29 on: 07/27/2012 09:07 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #30 on: 07/27/2012 09:10 am »
    payload cam on

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #31 on: 07/27/2012 09:12 am »
    crew left Sputnik

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #32 on: 07/27/2012 09:19 am »
    Rocket did not ignite  :-[

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #33 on: 07/27/2012 09:22 am »
    Tried to send the signal to launch 2 times but no cigar.


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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #34 on: 07/27/2012 09:25 am »
    pad crew going back to Sputnik

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #35 on: 07/27/2012 09:26 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #36 on: 07/27/2012 09:31 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #37 on: 07/27/2012 09:35 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #38 on: 07/27/2012 09:37 am »
    thanks for the coverage so far  ;)

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #39 on: 07/27/2012 09:49 am »
    you are welcome... just hope i have power enough on my laptop... first laptop is down, on my second now  :)

    Sound like VHF is the problem for getting the radio signal to the rocket

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #40 on: 07/27/2012 09:52 am »
    Next try 12:50 CET, one hour from now

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #41 on: 07/27/2012 10:50 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #42 on: 07/27/2012 10:53 am »
    payload cam get turned on again

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #43 on: 07/27/2012 10:58 am »
    Crew leaving the MLP

    Sure must be easier if they were able to launch from ground  :D

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #44 on: 07/27/2012 11:00 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #45 on: 07/27/2012 11:01 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #46 on: 07/27/2012 11:01 am »
    Someone get this man a tripod!!

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #47 on: 07/27/2012 11:05 am »
    Sound like their FIDO software is working as it supposed to

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #48 on: 07/27/2012 11:07 am »
    Missed that   :D

    Just saw smoke!!

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #49 on: 07/27/2012 11:10 am »
    Crew going back to MLP Sputnik

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #50 on: 07/27/2012 11:12 am »
    Sputnik returning to Nexoe

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #51 on: 07/27/2012 11:15 am »
    Payload is found!!

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #52 on: 07/27/2012 11:15 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #53 on: 07/27/2012 11:17 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #54 on: 07/27/2012 11:20 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #55 on: 07/27/2012 11:23 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #56 on: 07/27/2012 11:31 am »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #57 on: 07/27/2012 11:59 am »
    Think the video live feed ended up being fine, when you think there is no TV network in on it

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #59 on: 07/27/2012 12:35 pm »
    Glad someone did manages to get a screenshot of the liftoff  :D



    The rocket came in the air!



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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #60 on: 07/27/2012 01:57 pm »
    Gallery with pictures of the launch


    Foto: Jev Olsen/CS

    Watch the rocket nose cone being ripped off


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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #61 on: 07/27/2012 02:07 pm »
    Hopefully, they will learn from this and move on with a second launch.

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #62 on: 07/27/2012 02:15 pm »
    Hopefully, they will learn from this and move on with a second launch.

    I am sure they will. Learn a lot from mistakes.

    There is already talks about making a stronger nose cone. But lets hear what they say when they get to Nexoe Port. Also looking forward to see what pictures and video they got.

    Regards
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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #63 on: 07/28/2012 09:20 am »
    For some reason this video was removed and reposted,so here it is again



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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #64 on: 08/01/2012 04:19 pm »
    Some evaluation of the launch.



    Wired blog with more information
    SMARAGD-1 Launch Evaluation

    More pictures
    Gallery

    Article on Space.com
    Danish Space Travel Team Launches Private Rocket Test

    Summary video of the day at the Baltic sea


    Slowmotion of the seperation


    What they did manages to get out of the payload, before it broke off and hit the water.


    Enjoy

    Regards
    Morten

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #65 on: 08/01/2012 04:29 pm »
    I know this is a research/amateur based institution but, it seems as if they are running rough shot in their learning curve. Possibly over packing parachutes on a upcoming LES test and saying that their sounding rocket was partially a success when there was a catastrophic payload failure which resulted in the rocket only achieving several thousand feet does not inspire. Better to concentrate on one aspect of operations may be best. Get the sounding rocket right before moving forward with other things. Much can be learned from US commercial sounding rocket firms such as UP aerospace which has had several successful launches. That said I still believe in what they are doing and hope for every success in the future. 
    « Last Edit: 08/01/2012 04:35 pm by mr. mark »

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    Re: Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
    « Reply #66 on: 08/01/2012 04:50 pm »
    I know this is a research/amateur based institution but, it seems as if they are running rough shot in their learning curve. Possibly over packing parachutes on a upcoming LES test and saying that their sounding rocket was partially a success when there was a catastrophic payload failure which resulted in the rocket only achieving several thousand feet does not inspire. Better to concentrate on one aspect of operations may be best. Get the sounding rocket right before moving forward with other things. Much can be learned from US commercial sounding rocket firms such as UP aerospace which has had several successful launches. 

    I do tend to agree. Although CS is divided in 2 main departments: Rocket engines and spacecrafts. Kristian von Bengtson, needs to test his subsystems to move on in his department. You could say it would be easier to drop TDS from a plane, but that is not allowed, so a LES system was made. And by doing so there have been some spinoff like explosive bolts etc. Funny enough it is allowed to have a man jump from a plane to test the parachutes.

    But they do have lots of projects going on, maybe to many

     

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