Quote from: catdlr on 09/25/2024 11:55 pmQuote from: StarshipTrooper on 09/25/2024 11:48 pmRepresentative Kevin Kiley is calling out FAA Administrator Whitaker on his statements about SpaceX. https://x.com/RepKiley/status/1839066996274516417Seems like a weak letter to me.It essentially says 'you lied because SpaceX denies your claims'. Excuse me? maybe it's SpaceX that's lying? (If I were Whitaker that's would be my response)Edit: this is not like something that suddenly cropped up without warning, this is a very public issue and I can't imagine him going before Congress without knowing very well what he's talking about.
Quote from: StarshipTrooper on 09/25/2024 11:48 pmRepresentative Kevin Kiley is calling out FAA Administrator Whitaker on his statements about SpaceX. https://x.com/RepKiley/status/1839066996274516417
Representative Kevin Kiley is calling out FAA Administrator Whitaker on his statements about SpaceX. https://x.com/RepKiley/status/1839066996274516417
Quote from: Brovane on 09/26/2024 03:00 amQuote from: mn on 09/26/2024 12:11 amQuote from: catdlr on 09/25/2024 11:55 pmQuote from: StarshipTrooper on 09/25/2024 11:48 pmRepresentative Kevin Kiley is calling out FAA Administrator Whitaker on his statements about SpaceX. https://x.com/RepKiley/status/1839066996274516417Seems like a weak letter to me.It essentially says 'you lied because SpaceX denies your claims'. Excuse me? maybe it's SpaceX that's lying? (If I were Whitaker that's would be my response)Edit: this is not like something that suddenly cropped up without warning, this is a very public issue and I can't imagine him going before Congress without knowing very well what he's talking about.Isn't it a fact that the propellant farm wasn't moved closer to public ally accessible areas and was actually moved further away? The FAA is claiming that it is closer to something public. You think they're idiots?I have not seen any maps and I have no clue, but most likely it is something where both sides of the argument can be true.
Quote from: mn on 09/26/2024 12:11 amQuote from: catdlr on 09/25/2024 11:55 pmQuote from: StarshipTrooper on 09/25/2024 11:48 pmRepresentative Kevin Kiley is calling out FAA Administrator Whitaker on his statements about SpaceX. https://x.com/RepKiley/status/1839066996274516417Seems like a weak letter to me.It essentially says 'you lied because SpaceX denies your claims'. Excuse me? maybe it's SpaceX that's lying? (If I were Whitaker that's would be my response)Edit: this is not like something that suddenly cropped up without warning, this is a very public issue and I can't imagine him going before Congress without knowing very well what he's talking about.Isn't it a fact that the propellant farm wasn't moved closer to public ally accessible areas and was actually moved further away?
Quote from: StraumliBlight on 09/25/2024 07:43 pmSpaceX president calls regulatory infractions 'nonsense,' seeks more Texas cooperation, funding [paywalled]Well well well, what do we have here:QuoteCalling regulators’ recent actions against the company “nonsense,” SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell updated lawmakers Tuesday on the company’s progress and urged them to continue their support. Just goes to show that those who think this is Elon's personal vendetta against FAA have no idea what they're talking about.
SpaceX president calls regulatory infractions 'nonsense,' seeks more Texas cooperation, funding [paywalled]
Calling regulators’ recent actions against the company “nonsense,” SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell updated lawmakers Tuesday on the company’s progress and urged them to continue their support.
Quote from: envy887 on 09/25/2024 04:56 pmThere are an infinite number of things that SpaceX didn't provide to FAA, but only the things required by regulation are relevant to this conversation.But the FAA decides what is required by the regulation, and whether it was provided to their satisfaction. There's always room for interpretation in any regulations, and the only interpretation that counts is the FAA's.
There are an infinite number of things that SpaceX didn't provide to FAA, but only the things required by regulation are relevant to this conversation.
For another example of this, look at the decades-long saga of trying to get FAA approval for unleaded fuel for general aviation aircraft. Or the current year+ backlog in Oklahoma City for aircrew who need special issuance medical certificates.
I'm a commercial-rated pilot, and in 25 years of dealing with the FAA, I can say from experience that something has gone seriously wrong with the agency over the past decade or so. They used to be a lot more professional and competent than they've been in any of my recent dealings with them. If commercial spaceflight regulation is stretching them too thin, maybe they should take a more hands-off approach until they can get their own house in order first.
Quote from: steveleach on 09/25/2024 05:55 pmQuote from: envy887 on 09/25/2024 04:56 pmThere are an infinite number of things that SpaceX didn't provide to FAA, but only the things required by regulation are relevant to this conversation.But the FAA decides what is required by the regulation, and whether it was provided to their satisfaction. There's always room for interpretation in any regulations, and the only interpretation that counts is the FAA's.That would not go over well in court. It's a change to the regulation, which agencies aren't allowed to do without following the official process.
Quote from: thespacecow on 09/26/2024 04:29 amQuote from: StraumliBlight on 09/25/2024 07:43 pmSpaceX president calls regulatory infractions 'nonsense,' seeks more Texas cooperation, funding [paywalled]Well well well, what do we have here:QuoteCalling regulators’ recent actions against the company “nonsense,” SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell updated lawmakers Tuesday on the company’s progress and urged them to continue their support. Just goes to show that those who think this is Elon's personal vendetta against FAA have no idea what they're talking about.Here's the video, starting at 28:00.https://house.texas.gov/videos/20813
Here's the full 16-minute edited video of @Gwynne_Shotwell speaking to the Texas House of Representatives. I removed pauses and answers by other panel members. It contains some great information
Here is the current status of LC-40 from today's Dragon Launch.
"...Specifically, without clear criteria for determining when it should authorizeoperators to lead investigations of their own mishaps, FAA cannot makereliable, consistent determinations on which entity should lead thoseinvestigations...."Or in other words FAA has no idea what they want, how and why. Cheers.
Doesn’t seem like SpaceX and ULA are being treated equally before the law
Quote from: dondar on 10/05/2024 07:00 pm"...Specifically, without clear criteria for determining when it should authorizeoperators to lead investigations of their own mishaps, FAA cannot makereliable, consistent determinations on which entity should lead thoseinvestigations...."Or in other words FAA has no idea what they want, how and why. Cheers.While I suspect I'm in broad agreement with you on this, your paraphrasing has an awful lot of personal interpretation in it.
Quote from: steveleach on 10/05/2024 07:37 pmQuote from: dondar on 10/05/2024 07:00 pm"...Specifically, without clear criteria for determining when it should authorizeoperators to lead investigations of their own mishaps, FAA cannot makereliable, consistent determinations on which entity should lead thoseinvestigations...."Or in other words FAA has no idea what they want, how and why. Cheers.While I suspect I'm in broad agreement with you on this, your paraphrasing has an awful lot of personal interpretation in it.there are 56 pages. read. it is interesting. (Seriously).For examplethey require full set of cause/mitigation report in mishap analysis, but they accept partial response mostly, and they hired "independent" (see Lockmart, Orbital etc. executives, and shared engineers) corporation (it is called The Aerospace Corporation) as investigators/controllers. If you think it is all, no it isn't. in the end they say (quite right and the only normal comment during all this....) that insurance incentives are sufficient motivation for rigorous launch discipline, and companies are the only proper candidates capable to produce mishap analysis of unique and very complex devices. And they still require (sometimes from some companies) full set of cause/mitigation mishap analysis. . Schizophrenia at it's best. And corruption, spiced by guild mentality.