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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #60 on: 08/01/2021 10:57 pm »
But Germany hasn't had a launch site since either WW2, or perhaps the OTRAG-era in Zaire, has it? Also, do they have a legal framework today to allow a German rocket to be licensed to launch, apart from the standard (minimalist) UN OST adherence everybody has?

For what it's worth, Isar plans to launch from Andøya Space Center in Norway, not from German soil. Since Andøya has hosted suborbital launches for decades, I'd think they'd be in a good place to understand the licensing requirements necessary to upgrade to orbital services.

Does Norway already have laws that can permit an orbital launch, or only suborbital?

Also, can a German orbital launcher company fly a vehicle from Norway on a Norwegian license, or does it still need a license from the government of it's own country?

Not sure how that works. It must be related to who holds the liability; normally the launching state holds the full liability e.g. with a US vehicle there is zero confusion about who is licensing and thus liable.

But this situation potentially blurs lines. For example, why would Norway accept the unlimited liability under UN OST of a German vehicle going wrong, when all it provides is the concrete launch pad?

Equally why would Germany let a private company head off to Norway and potentially create an unlimited risk to the carefully-managed German budget without some direct oversight?

Might it be that both countries need to permit the launch?
« Last Edit: 08/02/2021 05:50 am by ringsider »

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #61 on: 09/03/2021 08:38 am »
But Germany hasn't had a launch site since either WW2, or perhaps the OTRAG-era in Zaire, has it? Also, do they have a legal framework today to allow a German rocket to be licensed to launch, apart from the standard (minimalist) UN OST adherence everybody has?

For what it's worth, Isar plans to launch from Andøya Space Center in Norway, not from German soil. Since Andøya has hosted suborbital launches for decades, I'd think they'd be in a good place to understand the licensing requirements necessary to upgrade to orbital services.

Does Norway already have laws that can permit an orbital launch, or only suborbital?
AFAIK, Norway is working on an update of their space legislation, but has a workable intermediate solution for orbital launches for the time being.

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Also, can a German orbital launcher company fly a vehicle from Norway on a Norwegian license, or does it still need a license from the government of it's own country?

They will have to obey all applicable laws, both of Norway and Germany. The issue is, that a comprehensive space law is still not yet decided in Germany, thus it is unclear which German rules need to be followed currently. Likely little or no rules (besides export control, if and whenever applicable) for the time being.

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Not sure how that works. It must be related to who holds the liability; normally the launching state holds the full liability e.g. with a US vehicle there is zero confusion about who is licensing and thus liable.
There can be more than one launching state for a single launch event. Each launching state is individually fully liable towards a potential victim. Thus the need to have inter-governmental agreements to decide on how such liability will be shared a posteriori.

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But this situation potentially blurs lines. For example, why would Norway accept the unlimited liability under UN OST of a German vehicle going wrong, when all it provides is the concrete launch pad?
....because they want to have a space port. However, they will likely insist on an Intergovernmental Agreement with Germany before letting a German launch service provider launch from Norway.

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Equally why would Germany let a private company head off to Norway and potentially create an unlimited risk to the carefully-managed German budget without some direct oversight?
Because of neglicence, as there is still no space law allowing the German state to have a say towards a private endeavour

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Might it be that both countries need to permit the launch?


As above, depending on the national space law (once it exists).

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and it is my interpretation of the legal situation

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #62 on: 09/03/2021 11:42 pm »
Announcement of Opportunity for the Launch of Satellites on the Spectrum Demonstration Flights

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As participation condition of the German micro launcher competition, Isar Aerospace will offer
launch opportunities for institutional payloads of up to 150 kg total mass including adapters
and/or dispensers on each of their two demonstration flights of the Spectrum launch vehicle. The
number of payloads per flight is not pre-defined. The selection of payloads will be done by the
German Space Agency at DLR in consultation with Isar Aerospace and ESA.

<snip>

The maiden flight is currently planned for Q3 2022, the followup flight in 2023.

<snip>

The maximum aggregated mass of the spacecrafts/payloads eligible under this Announcement of
Opportunity is 150 kg.

<snip>

The reference orbit for the maiden flight is a low altitude polar orbit (< 400 km). Other polar orbits
might be considered within the Spectrum launch system capabilities and in line with achievable
orbits from the Andøya Spaceport. The altitude may change for the second Spectrum flight.

<snip>

The applications of all potential payload providers are to be delivered to the German Space Agency
at DLR by October 31st, 2021.

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #63 on: 09/09/2021 02:51 am »
Isar Aerospace to launch OroraTech wildfire monitoring cubesat constellation

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JOHANNESBURG — German launch startup Isar Aerospace has signed a contract with OroraTech to launch the company’s wildfire monitoring cubesat constellation.

Isar Aerospace is developing its two-stage Spectrum rocket to launch payloads of up to 700 kilograms to sun-synchronous orbit. The maiden flight of Spectrum is currently slated for the second half of 2022.

Under the contract announced Sept. 7, Isar Aerospace will conduct multiple Spectrum launches to deploy more than 10 OroraTech cubesats into sun-synchronous orbit between 2022 and 2026. OroraTech will also retain the option for additional flights to launch its full constellation of several hundred cubesats aboard Spectrum missions.

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #64 on: 10/05/2021 02:25 pm »
As of August 2021: 139 M€ series B funding, and first rocket is in production.

https://www.munich-startup.de/74903/isar-aerospace-erhoeht-series-b-finanzierung-auf-ueber-139-millionen-euro/
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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #65 on: 10/08/2021 08:42 am »
To try to avoid derailing this thread too much, I removed a couple of posts about Andøya Space and instead made a new thread: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54946.0
« Last Edit: 10/08/2021 01:35 pm by Yggdrasill »

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #66 on: 10/08/2021 07:07 pm »
Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH is moving launch forecast by app. one month for each month elapsing.

So first launch is always app. 1 year in future.

September 2020 forecast: "end 2021"
[https://www.ft.com/content/6b2b4127-51ce-4a7f-a593-c34ac8198e07]

Decembre 2020 forecast: "early 2022"
[https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/08/germanys-isar-aerospace-raises-91m-to-get-its-satellite-launch-vehicle-off-the-ground/]

Februar 2021 forecast: "end 2021 or beginning 2022"
[https://www-nwzonline-de.translate.goog/die-wirtschaft/unternehmen/rocket-factory-ohb_a_51,0,722140337.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc]

April 2021 forecast: "second half of 2022"
[https://www.startbase.com/news/abflug-ins-all/]

July 2021 forecast: "late 2022"
[https://sifted.eu/articles/isar-aerospace-exclusive-deal/]

Septembre 2021 forecast: "Q3 2022"
[https://www.dlr.de/rd/PortalData/28/Resources/dokumente/rr/CSTS_Announcement.pdf]

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #67 on: 10/08/2021 09:09 pm »
April 2021 forecast: "second half of 2022"
[https://www.startbase.com/news/abflug-ins-all/]

July 2021 forecast: "late 2022"
[https://sifted.eu/articles/isar-aerospace-exclusive-deal/]

Septembre 2021 forecast: "Q3 2022"
[https://www.dlr.de/rd/PortalData/28/Resources/dokumente/rr/CSTS_Announcement.pdf]
These are basically the same, though.  "Late 2022" might be considered to be Q4, so you could say they moved the launch up going from july to september.

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #68 on: 10/08/2021 10:27 pm »
Maybe your comment is true. It is possible.

But: Q3 2022 = Jul, August, Sept 2022.

So: Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH Launch #1 < 11 month?

 :-\

Money ≠ time.

Money ≠ experience.

A very large rocket for a very young company.

Soon: a dark cold arctic winter.

Probability is not zero.

But is close to zero.

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #69 on: 10/09/2021 05:46 am »
I agree Q3 seems rather optimistic. And getting the launch pad ready in under a year also seems difficult. But it doesn't seem they are doing quite as bad as slipping one month for every month.

Andøya is relatively temperate, so I think construction can continue right through winter.

BTW, I read in an article they expect to start construction in approximately two months. Before they start construction, they intend to revise some contracts with partners. So, it's looking like construction can start around early december.
« Last Edit: 10/09/2021 05:59 am by Yggdrasill »

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #70 on: 10/10/2021 06:24 pm »
Video: engine test from open road beside site Germany:



Safety:  :o

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #72 on: 10/12/2021 05:41 am »
Video: tanks carbon fibre Stage 2 (21.09.2021).

https://www.br.de/mediathek/video/isar-aerospace-von-der-isar-ins-all-av:6149a8da30cc160008e24fbf

Scale: Small-Medium.

Technique: Naive. Construction very heavy.

Leader: 1st role post-university.

Status: Early prototype / model. "Marketing rocket".

Conjecture: Out-source production? No in-house capability / expertise in carbon? Learning "on the job"?

P(Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH launch #1 < 11 months): ::)

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #73 on: 10/13/2021 10:46 am »
<move from wrong forum>

Data: ESRANGE safety notice
[https://sscspace.com/news-activities/safety/]

Note: Only warn for VTS-1 (Vertical Test Stand 1)

Data: ESRANGE Safety Manual pp 64 + public source fotos
[https://sscspace.com/wp-content/uploads/Esrange-Safety-Manual.pdf]

Data: Danger Area 7 / VTS-1 Rocket Factory Augsburg AG
[https://www.wiwo.de/images/hot_test_picture/27302356/2-format1001.jpg]

Data: Danger Area 8 / VTS-2 Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH
[https://www.innsalzach24.de/bilder/2021/10/08/91043309/27260829-isar-aerospace-in-bildern-Qza7.jpg]

So: no engine test for Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH at ESRANGE.

Consider: Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH Launch #1 forecast < 11 month
[https://www.dlr.de/rd/PortalData/28/Resources/dokumente/rr/CSTS_Announcement.pdf]

Conclusion: ;D

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #74 on: 11/14/2021 11:13 am »
Data: "1st engine rolls off the production line", April 2021

https://sifted.eu/articles/isar-aerospace-exclusive-deal/

Data: ESRANGE safety information, Novembre 2021

https://sscspace.com/news-activities/safety/

Note: zero activitie.

So: Still no engine test for Isar Aerospace Technologues GMBH at ESRANGE.

Consider: Isar Aerospace Technologies GMBH Launch #1 forecast Q3-2022, <10 month

Conclusion: ;D
« Last Edit: 11/15/2021 11:12 am by Hortense »

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #75 on: 11/23/2021 11:41 am »
23/11/2021 ESA - ESA Boost! contract for flight demonstration of Spectrum launch vehicle
https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Transportation/Boost/ESA_Boost!_contract_for_flight_demonstration_of_Spectrum_launch_vehicle
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ESA will support Isar Aerospace with activities covering mission management, customer interactions and preparation to conduct two demonstration flights of Spectrum planned in 2022 and 2023.

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #77 on: 12/14/2021 11:14 pm »
ESA Commercial Space Transportation Services Program: Isar Aerospace and German Space Agency at DLR announce payloads for first test flight of Spectrum launch vehicle

This article from DLR gives details on the payloads for the first Spectrum launch:

Microlauncher competition - winners of the first payload places have been determined [dated Dec. 13]

Google translate (bolds mine, edited for clarity):

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Here is an overview of the winners of the first payload tender:

The DLR Responsive Space Cluster Competence Center, RSC³, based in the AeroSpace Park at the DLR site in Trauen (Lower Saxony) with its MSAE-OTTERS mission: The primary goal is to develop a small satellite within just nine months. For this, the typical development and provision processes need to be accelerated, from which future satellite developments should benefit.

The Technical University Berlin with the CyBEEsat mission: It is a technology demonstration for a miniaturized transceiver that was developed for newly defined frequency bands.

The ZfT - Center for Telematics eV from Würzburg with a scientific study of volcanic ash clouds with three small satellites that fly in formation and can thus measure the spatial extent of the clouds.

The "Norwegian University of Science and Technology" (NTNU) from Trondheim with the mission "FRAMSat-1": A technology demonstration for a small satellite developed by students with a new star sensor from a Norwegian SME.

The "University of Maribor" (Slovenia) with the mission "TRISAT-S", a technology demonstration for a miniaturized transceiver that will enable encrypted communication with several ground stations around the world.

All of these seem to be CubeSats based on the award images in the article.

The three ZfT satellites belong to the Telematics International Mission & Telematics Earth Observation Mission (TIM & TOM); specifically, they are the three TOM satellites according to this article:

TIM & TOM [dated Mar. 3, 2020]

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The aim of the TOM project is to monitor volcanic eruptions which affect daily life on earth in various ways (health, harvest or air traffic safety). The main objective is to measure the spatial extent of volcanic ash clouds. For this purpose 3 satellites map the cloud simultaneously from different angles. By post-processing and merging the observations, a 3-dimensional image is generated which provides information about the spatial distribution, height above ground, etc.

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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #78 on: 12/15/2021 06:41 am »
Why anyone would take at best a 50% chance of hitting their expensive satellite with a sledge hammer is beyond me! :-)
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Re: Isar Aerospace
« Reply #79 on: 12/15/2021 10:15 am »
Why anyone would take at best a 50% chance of hitting their expensive satellite with a sledge hammer is beyond me! :-)
They're all university cubesats, likely built with the assumption that they would be unlikely to ever actually see space (built as an exercise in building satellites) due to not having the funding for launch ready before starting the project. If you have a discount high-risk launch available that you can actually afford, risking maybe smashing your satellite into teeny bits for a chance at launching it and testing it in space is attractive vs. sitting it on a shelf to gather dust after you've finished ground testing.

 

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