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https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/07/15/minotaur-rocket-successfully-deploys-four-nro-satellites-in-orbit/

The launch of the NROL-174 is currently scheduled for late 2021 although no set date for the 4th quarter of year has been set. Nevertheless, the NROL-174 launch will be the second NRO launch aboard a Minotaur IV rocket.

[See also https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8184.msg2107805#msg2107805]
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #1 on: 06/15/2021 05:54 pm »
This one seems to have been moved to 2022, as NRO announced, that NROL-111 was the last planned NRO launch for 2021.

National Reconnaissance Office  12h  ·

To recap, our NROL-111 mission launched at 9:35 a.m. this morning on a Northrop Grumman Minotaur I rocket from MARS Pad 0B at NASA's Wallops Flight Facility. NROL-111 is our second launch in 2021, our 60th anniversary year.
For six decades, NRO has been successfully innovating and meeting the needs of its U.S. intelligence, military, and federal civil partners and today remains the world’s leader in unique intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance systems.
“NRO is the best in the world at delivering space-based intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance to more than half a million government users working together to keep America safe,” said NRO Director Dr. Christopher Scolese. “NROL-111 is the 16th payload we put on orbit in 18 months to advance our mission of providing critical information to every member of the Intelligence Community, two dozen domestic agencies, our nation’s military, lawmakers, and decision makers.”
“NROL-111 continues NRO’s 60-year legacy of pushing the envelope of the possible through ingenuity and collaboration,” said NRO Principal Deputy Director Dr. Troy Meink. “Our legacy is carried on by the dedicated men and women of the NRO, and supported by our talented mission partners, who made today’s launch a success.”
NROL-111 is NRO’s final scheduled launch for 2021. In 2022, NRO is scheduled to start the year with two launches from New Zealand in January and February, NROL-162 and NROL-199. Also in February, NROL-87 is scheduled to launch from Vandenberg Space Force Base. Three additional NRO missions are planned for later in 2022.

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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #2 on: 06/15/2021 08:47 pm »
This one seems to have been moved to 2022, as NRO announced, that NROL-111 was the last planned NRO launch for 2021.

Official confirmation (if someone nedded a written reference): https://www.nro.gov/News/News-Articles/Article/2658542/nro-returns-to-virginias-space-coast-with-nrol-111/

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NROL-111 is NRO’s final scheduled launch for 2021. In 2022, NRO is scheduled to start the year with two launches from New Zealand in January and February, NROL-162 and NROL-199. Also in February, NROL-87 is scheduled to launch from Vandenberg Space Force Base. Three additional NRO missions are planned for later in 2022.

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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #3 on: 07/13/2021 05:58 pm »
https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/06/15/three-nro-satellites-launched-by-minotaur-rocket-with-surplus-missile-parts/

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Northrop Grumman has no more Pegasus launches in its backlog, but the Space Force and the NRO have purchased at least one more Minotaur flight to deliver another classified payload to orbit.

That mission, known as NROL-174, will use a Minotaur 4 rocket, the larger Minotaur variant. It is scheduled for launch in 2023, Eberly said. A launch site for the NROL-174 mission has not been confirmed.

Northrop Grumman’s next orbital launch is scheduled in August, when an Antares rocket will take off from Virginia with the next Cygnus cargo ship for the International Space Station.

Then the 3 additional ones in 2022 are likely NROL-107, 85, and one on DIVH.

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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #4 on: 07/14/2021 07:36 pm »
https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/06/15/three-nro-satellites-launched-by-minotaur-rocket-with-surplus-missile-parts/
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...[T]he Space Force and the NRO have purchased at least one more Minotaur flight to deliver another classified payload to orbit.

That mission, known as NROL-174, will use a Minotaur 4 rocket, the larger Minotaur variant. It is scheduled for launch in 2023, Eberly said. A launch site for the NROL-174 mission has not been confirmed.

Could it launch on Minotaur IV from any of the following?:
MARS (Wallops) LA-0B
Spaceflight Florida, Cape Canaveral, SLC-46
Vandenberg SFB, SLC-8
Kodiak, AK, LP-1

Or does the fact that MARS was the original designated launch site preclude Vandenberg and Kodiak because, apparently, the payload is not going to a polar or retrograde orbit?
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #5 on: 07/14/2021 10:37 pm »
https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/06/15/three-nro-satellites-launched-by-minotaur-rocket-with-surplus-missile-parts/
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...[T]he Space Force and the NRO have purchased at least one more Minotaur flight to deliver another classified payload to orbit.

That mission, known as NROL-174, will use a Minotaur 4 rocket, the larger Minotaur variant. It is scheduled for launch in 2023, Eberly said. A launch site for the NROL-174 mission has not been confirmed.

Could it launch on Minotaur IV from any of the following?:
MARS (Wallops) LA-0B
Spaceflight Florida, Cape Canaveral, SLC-46
Vandenberg SFB, SLC-8
Kodiak, AK, LP-1

Or does the fact that MARS was the original designated launch site preclude Vandenberg and Kodiak because, apparently, the payload is not going to a polar or retrograde orbit?
Precludes the west coast sites. Depends upon the high energy requirements. Switching to a different motor or adding an additional one from the base MIV model depends upon spacecraft parameters and target insertion orbit requirements. Minotaur-IV/Orion-38 configuration maiden flight is an example of this in play.
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #6 on: 09/02/2021 01:40 am »
The next three Minotaur launches, including this one, will be from Vandenberg.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/09/ng-16-update/ [1 Sep, Joseph Navin]

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“We’re basically on contract for three Minotaur launches. One is a Minotaur IV, which looks like it’s going to be launched from Vandenberg Space Force Base in 2023, and that’s for the Space Force,” said Eberly.

In total, there will be one Minotaur launch in 2022 and two launches in 2023. All three of these missions will launch from Vandenberg Space Force Base in California and will be flown for the U.S. Space Force.

The 2022 launch is probably the Minotaur II suborbital flight mentioned last year that was scheduled for later this year.

https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/07/15/minotaur-rocket-successfully-deploys-four-nro-satellites-in-orbit/

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There’s also a mission assigned to a Minotaur 2 rocket — a suborbital Minotaur configuration — scheduled to fly from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California in late 2021, according to the Space and Missile Systems Center.

Not sure what the second 2023 launch is, but it's probably not another Minotaur IV given the phrasing in Eberly's statement.
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #7 on: 12/13/2022 03:54 am »
The next three Minotaur launches, including this one, will be from Vandenberg.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/09/ng-16-update/

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“We’re basically on contract for three Minotaur launches. One is a Minotaur IV, which looks like it’s going to be launched from Vandenberg Space Force Base in 2023, and that’s for the Space Force,” said Eberly.

In total, there will be one Minotaur launch in 2022 and two launches in 2023. All three of these missions will launch from Vandenberg Space Force Base in California and will be flown for the U.S. Space Force.

The 2022 launch is probably the Minotaur II suborbital flight mentioned last year that was scheduled for later this year.

https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/07/15/minotaur-rocket-successfully-deploys-four-nro-satellites-in-orbit/

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There’s also a mission assigned to a Minotaur 2 rocket — a suborbital Minotaur configuration — scheduled to fly from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California in late 2021, according to the Space and Missile Systems Center.

Not sure what the second 2023 launch is, but it's probably not another Minotaur IV given the phrasing in Eberly's statement.
The Minotaur II suborbital launch was conducted last July and ended in failure while carrying out a test of the Mk.21A re-entry vehicle to be used on the Sentinel ICBM.

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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #8 on: 12/22/2023 11:40 am »
NextSpaceflight (Updated [December 16] ??)
Launch NET February 2024
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/4736



https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/4736
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NROL-174
Launch Time
NET December, 2023

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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #9 on: 01/12/2024 01:23 am »
Any signs of this launch campaign?

Also, does anyone know/can anyone say what will be launched?  Something experimental or engineering test?
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #10 on: 02/19/2024 03:51 am »
Cross-post:
NextSpaceflight, updated February 13:
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NROL-174
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #11 on: 03/26/2024 01:45 am »
Any new news?
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #12 on: 03/26/2024 04:02 am »
Any new news?
It will become NET April and so on until the selected launcher is directed to be delivered to VSFB for the flight. Once the LVOS assembly and checkout milestones have occurred at SLC-8 the customer will work to formulate a public launch date. The converted ICBM can either follow the typical Minotaur IV mission launch campaign timeline or for launch on demand can be errected in its fully enclosed MST for undecided amount of time awaiting a launch order.
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #13 on: 03/29/2024 01:54 pm »
As expected, given no news of a launch campaign,
NextSpaceflight; updated March 29:
Launch NET April
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #14 on: 05/13/2024 01:20 am »
As expected, given no news of a launch campaign by the end of April,
NextSpaceflight; updated end of month:
Launch NET May
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #16 on: 07/24/2024 07:17 pm »
The NRO mission patch has appeared:

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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - NET TBD 2024
« Reply #17 on: 09/29/2024 06:31 am »
There was an industry day help for Lane 1 in August. It includes the NRO, SDA, and USSF planned contract awards & launches.

https://sam.gov/opp/7111789df59149cd81596402c35e33d3/view

The presentation shows this as the next Minotaur launch.

[Published August 29]
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - 2025
« Reply #18 on: 12/16/2024 12:26 pm »
Cross-post:
NROL-149 is the final NRO launch of 2024, so this launch is NET 2025:
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LAUNCH UPDATE: #NROL149 is scheduled to launch on a @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Vandenberg Space Force Base NET December 17.

This mission is the sixth launch of NRO's proliferated architecture, eighth launch of 2024 and last launch of the year!
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Re: Minotaur IV - NROL 174 - VSFB SLC-8 - 2025
« Reply #19 on: 04/09/2025 05:14 pm »
This launch has appeared on https://www.cadenaois.org/vpublic_anspdetail.jsp?view=15, scheduled for NET April 16th at 19:00 UTC:

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Primary Launch Day 16 APR 1900Z-2126Z Backup Launch Day 17 APR 1900Z-2126Z
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Confirmation from the NRO:

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Yesterday, NRO Director Dr. Chris Scolese mentioned upcoming launches…bet you didn’t guess that meant 3 in 1 week!

GO NROL-192, NROL-174, & NROL-145! Stay tuned for more updates. 🚀

Watch Dr. Scolese's full remarks here: https://nro.gov/news-media-featured-stories/news-media-archive/News-Article/Article/4148782/nro-director-calls-for-leveraging-full-potential-of-cutting-edge-space-capabili/

https://twitter.com/NatReconOfc/status/1910032516070732143
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NRO Mission Page: https://www.nro.gov/Launches/launch-nrol-174/

NRO Press Kit: https://www.nro.gov/Portals/135/Documents/news/Press%20Kits/10417_Press%20Kit%20book_Launch_NROL-174_4.9.25.pdf
Mentions "multiple payloads":
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NROL-174 is a National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) mission consisting of multiple national security payloads designed, built, and operated by the NRO.

NRO Mission Patch:
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This launch has appeared on https://www.cadenaois.org/vpublic_anspdetail.jsp?view=15, scheduled for NET April 16th at 19:00 UTC:

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Primary Launch Day 16 APR 1900Z-2126Z Backup Launch Day 17 APR 1900Z-2126Z

From the third map, addressing the second stage de-orbit, the orbital inclination appears to be circa 63 degrees, by visual inspection.

NRO Press Kit: https://www.nro.gov/Portals/135/Documents/news/Press%20Kits/10417_Press%20Kit%20book_Launch_NROL-174_4.9.25.pdf
Mentions "multiple payloads":
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NROL-174 is a National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) mission consisting of multiple national security payloads designed, built, and operated by the NRO.

Assuming form follows function, what may we deduce from these facts? 🤔
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LAUNCH UPDATE: NRO & @USSF_SSC are scheduled to launch NROL-174 on a @northropgrumman Minotaur IV rocket from Vandenberg Space Force Base NET 3:33 p.m. EDT April 16.

This will be the first Minotaur IV to launch from Vandenberg since 2011!

8th Minotaur IV launch overall - first since 2020!

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8th Minotaur IV launch overall - first since 2020!
One of those was listed as a five-stage Minotaur 5 (basically a Minotaur 4 with a Star 37 fifth stage).  It launched LADEE into a highly elliptical orbit for the Moon-bound spacecraft.  Two others were three-stage "Minotaur 4 Lite" variants that flew suborbital missions.   The four-stage Minotaur 4 version has reached orbit five times, one with a HAPS stage as an experimental payload.  Minotaur 4/5 has flown from *four* different launch pads at *four* different launch centers!

MINOTUAR 3,4,5,6 LAUNCH LOG
                       
==================================================================
 Date    Vehicle         ID    Payload    Mass Site* Orbit
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04/22/10 Minotaur 4 Lite MT4-1 HTV 2a           VA 8  SUB
09/26/10 Minotaur 4      MT4-2 SBSS 1     1031  VA 8  SSO
11/20/10 Minotaur 4 HAPS MT4-3 STP S26     590  KD 1  LEO
08/11/11 Minotaur 4 Lite MT4-4 HTV 2b           VA 8  SUB
09/27/11 Minotaur 4+     MT4-5 TacSat 4    450  KD 1  EEO
09/07/13 Minotaur 5      MT5-1 LADEE       380  WI 0B EEO
08/26/17 Minotaur 4      MT4-6 ORS 5       140  CC 46 LEO
07/15/20 Minotaur 4      MT4-7 NROL 129         WI 0B LEO
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8th Minotaur IV launch overall - first since 2020!
One of those was listed as a five-stage Minotaur 5 (basically a Minotaur 4 with a Star 37 fifth stage).  It launched LADEE into a highly elliptical orbit for the Moon-bound spacecraft.  Two others were three-stage "Minotaur 4 Lite" variants that flew suborbital missions.   The four-stage Minotaur 4 version has reached orbit five times, one with a HAPS stage as an experimental payload.  Minotaur 4/5 has flown from *four* different launch pads at *four* different launch centers!

MINOTUAR 3,4,5,6 LAUNCH LOG
                       
==================================================================
 Date    Vehicle         ID    Payload    Mass Site* Orbit
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04/22/10 Minotaur 4 Lite MT4-1 HTV 2a           VA 8  SUB
09/26/10 Minotaur 4      MT4-2 SBSS 1     1031  VA 8  SSO
11/20/10 Minotaur 4 HAPS MT4-3 STP S26     590  KD 1  LEO
08/11/11 Minotaur 4 Lite MT4-4 HTV 2b           VA 8  SUB
09/27/11 Minotaur 4+     MT4-5 TacSat 4    450  KD 1  EEO
09/07/13 Minotaur 5      MT5-1 LADEE       380  WI 0B EEO
08/26/17 Minotaur 4      MT4-6 ORS 5       140  CC 46 LEO
07/15/20 Minotaur 4      MT4-7 NROL 129         WI 0B LEO
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I thought the ORS-5 Minotaur 4 had five stages (an additional Orion 38 motor as the fifth stage).

However, I know this is not a Minotaur 5 because it didn’t have a Star 48BV and Star 37FM.

I would relabel the ORS-5 vehicle as “Minotaur 4 Orion 38”. As you may know, and I just wanna reiterate because why not, the second Orion 38 lowered the orbital inclination to near zero after the first four stages inserted the payload into orbit.
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SECO confirmed. Nominal orbit insertion.

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Here is a consolidated post of available video links for this launch:


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NRO on "X":  https://x.com/NatReconOfc
Space Systems Command:   https://x.com/USSF_SSC
Northrop Grumman:  https://x.com/northropgrumman

There is no planned NSF Live coverage:

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Replay supplied by The Space Devs (15 min after the broadcast end):  https://youtube.com/@thespacedevs/videos

Summary Video provided by SciNews (15 min after the broadcast ends):  https://youtube.com/@SciNewsRo/videos



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Mission success:

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NRO and Space Force partner through the Rocket Systems Launch Program to launch NROL-174
April 16, 2025
NROL-174 is NRO’s first Minotaur rocket launch from Vandenberg since 2011

The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), in partnership with U.S. Space Force Space Systems Command’s (SSC) Small Launch and Targets Division, Space Launch Delta 30, and Northrop Grumman, successfully launched multiple national security payloads with the NROL-174 mission aboard a Northrop Grumman Minotaur IV rocket from Space Launch Complex 8 (SLC-8) at Vandenberg Space Force Base (VSFB) April 16, 2025, at 3:33 p.m. EDT. 

NROL-174 marks another successful mission in a long-standing partnership with SSC through the Rocket Systems Launch Program (RSLP). RSLP, the small launch counterpart to the National Security Space Launch program, focuses on the small launch market and primarily launches more risk-tolerant experimental, research and development, responsive space, and operational missions.

“This launch is a testament to what the national security launch enterprise is able to achieve," said Laura Robinson, Deputy Director, NRO Office of Space Launch, and NROL-174 Mission Director. “The NROL-174 Minotaur IV rocket was once a Peacekeeper ICBM that sat watch 24/7 in support of our nation’s nuclear deterrent. Now modified for space launch, it completed its final mission of placing a national security payload on orbit, a credit to the decades-long dedication of those who were part of the missile’s early development, maintenance and operations, and innovative conversion into the Minotaur IV rocket. It was truly a team effort.”

NROL-174 is the third NRO mission launched from SSC RSLP’s Orbital/Suborbital Program-3 contract. Today’s Minotaur IV rocket launch follows previous Minotaur family of rocket launches with NROL-129 in July 2020 and NROL-111 in June 2021, both from Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia. NRO last launched a Minotaur rocket from VSFB with NROL-66 in 2011.

"Superb launch. This was our third Minotaur launch for the NRO since July 2020 and just like then, this mission was textbook…truly outstanding," said Lt. Col. Steve Hendershot, SSC’s Materiel Leader for RSLP. "We have a great relationship with our partners at the NRO, and watching today's launch you saw our teamwork, discipline, and trust pay off strong."

Over the past two years, NRO has launched more than 150 satellites, creating the largest and most capable government constellation on orbit in our nation’s history. Continuing with this momentum, 2025 is set to be another dynamic year, with approximately a dozen NRO launches scheduled.

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Here is a consolidated post of available video links for this launch:
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Small video snippet here:  https://www.facebook.com/SLD30

The video snippet is only two seconds long, so this screenshot represents pretty much the entirety.  Text from their post:

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Team V Guardians and Airmen in partnership with NRO & Northrop Grumman accomplished today’s launch of the NROL-174 mission from Space Launch Complex 8 (SLC-8), at 12:33 p.m. PT on April 16th.
This marks the 17th space launch and missile test from the United States Space Force’s West Coast Spaceport and Test Range at Vandenberg Space Force Base in 2025!
United States Space Force | Space Systems Command - SSC
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(Also, since the post here with the link was deleted, I think it's worth noting that Space Affairs had set up a live stream for this launch, but then deleted it.  I don't know what source they had, or thought they had.)
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From the third map, addressing the second stage de-orbit, the orbital inclination appears to be circa 63 degrees, by visual inspection.
Marco Langbroek estimated 600 km x 70.2 degrees, but this is only an estimate to start the amateur search.
https://www.satobs.org/seesat/Apr-2025/0063.html

But now I see a newer search estimate by Dillon Shropshire at 570 x 580 km x 63.3 degree.
https://www.satobs.org/seesat/Apr-2025/0064.html

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Launch story.  Says this was first launch from SLC 8 since 2011, but I believe that a suborbital Minotaur 1 may have launched from there on a suborbital flight last year, on June 18, 2024, with a Mk 21A RV test vehicle. 
https://www.noozhawk.com/minotaur-iv-rocket-blasts-off-from-vandenberg-sfb/

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Launch story.  Says this was first launch from SLC 8 since 2011, but I believe that a suborbital Minotaur 1 may have launched from there on a suborbital flight last year, on June 18, 2024, with a Mk 21A RV test vehicle. 
https://www.noozhawk.com/minotaur-iv-rocket-blasts-off-from-vandenberg-sfb/

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Hmm. I had a source suggest to me that that one was from TP-01
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https://twitter.com/SpacecoastPix/status/1912595382464573744

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#NROL-174 screams aloft from SLC-8 at Vandenberg AFB seen from Jalama Beach California. This was the first Minotaur IV launch from this pad in 14 years.
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Launch story.  Says this was first launch from SLC 8 since 2011, but I believe that a suborbital Minotaur 1 may have launched from there on a suborbital flight last year, on June 18, 2024, with a Mk 21A RV test vehicle. 
https://www.noozhawk.com/minotaur-iv-rocket-blasts-off-from-vandenberg-sfb/

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Hmm. I had a source suggest to me that that one was from TP-01

The source is correct. This test went from TP-01.

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That video is now on YouTube.

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Hmm. I had a source suggest to me that that one was from TP-01
The source is correct. This test went from TP-01.
That makes perfect sense, since that Minotaur 1 was for LGM-35A.  I expect we will see more launches from that pad during the initial phases of that program.

Here are a few stills from the Vandenberg SFB video of the Minotaur 4 launch from SLC 8.  Its first MX ancestors launched from TP-01 in 1983, 42 years ago.

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Why don't the Peacekeeper-derived Minotaurs require the "banana peel" silo-replicators that Minotaur I requires?
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Why don't the Peacekeeper-derived Minotaurs require the "banana peel" silo-replicators that Minotaur I requires?
Not absolutely sure, but here are some differences between M55A1 for Minuteman and SR118 for MX.  M55A1 development started in 1958.  MX development began during the 1970s.  Solid propellant and insulation formulation improved during those two decades.  M55A1 uses a steel case.  SR118 has a composite case.  M55A1 uses exterior cork insulation for ascent heating and polysulfide rubber for internal insulation.  SR118 is a bigger, heavier motor that likely has more margin for better insulation.  SR118 was also originally designed with rail-mobile basing as a requirement.  Etc.  I think that ambient temperature requirements were established in part to minimize insulation degradation over time.

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Launch story.  Says this was first launch from SLC 8 since 2011, but I believe that a suborbital Minotaur 1 may have launched from there on a suborbital flight last year, on June 18, 2024, with a Mk 21A RV test vehicle. 
https://www.noozhawk.com/minotaur-iv-rocket-blasts-off-from-vandenberg-sfb/

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Hmm. I had a source suggest to me that that one was from TP-01

Hm, the last Minotaur-1 (the suborbital flight) also launched from TP-01. Is there an issue with SLC-8?

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Launch story.  Says this was first launch from SLC 8 since 2011, but I believe that a suborbital Minotaur 1 may have launched from there on a suborbital flight last year, on June 18, 2024, with a Mk 21A RV test vehicle. 
https://www.noozhawk.com/minotaur-iv-rocket-blasts-off-from-vandenberg-sfb/

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Hmm. I had a source suggest to me that that one was from TP-01

Hm, the last Minotaur-1 (the suborbital flight) also launched from TP-01. Is there an issue with SLC-8?

Different first stage diameters.

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Launch story.  Says this was first launch from SLC 8 since 2011, but I believe that a suborbital Minotaur 1 may have launched from there on a suborbital flight last year, on June 18, 2024, with a Mk 21A RV test vehicle. 
https://www.noozhawk.com/minotaur-iv-rocket-blasts-off-from-vandenberg-sfb/

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Hmm. I had a source suggest to me that that one was from TP-01

Hm, the last Minotaur-1 (the suborbital flight) also launched from TP-01. Is there an issue with SLC-8?

Different first stage diameters.

This is not an issue. SLC-8 has launch adaptors for both versions and has supported both.

I thought, the M-I-Lite launch from TP-01 might have been an exception due to the suborbital trajectory requirements.

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That video is now on YouTube.



Wow, quite the delay for the motor to come up to pressure!  From the first sign of smoke to first motion is over 3 seconds.  I wonder if that is nominal? 

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2 payloads and a single upper stage have been cataloged:
https://celestrak.org/satcat/table-satcat.php?INTDES=2025-077
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I believe the smoke is the roll control motor which is also solid. Since peacekeeper was cold launched it fired before the first stage plus I’d assume they’d want to make sure that’s running before firing the first stage.

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I also wish to add that these re-purposed ICBMs betray their heritage by "getting the h*ll out of Dodge (City)" within seconds of launch.

Every fraction of a second counts when the adversary's first strike is "coming right at me!"--perhaps from multiple azimuths.
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I believe the smoke is the roll control motor which is also solid. Since peacekeeper was cold launched it fired before the first stage plus I’d assume they’d want to make sure that’s running before firing the first stage.
The PK missile did not have roll control during the first stages of flight, only pitch and yaw.  The missile's post-boost stage began providing roll control during the third stage of flight, which included a coast phase.  I suspect that the dark smoke seen before main ignition has something to do with the startup of the TVC system for the solid motor nozzle.  This smaller exhaust can be seen in some of the Peacekeeper launch videos just before the main motor ignites.  Here's the expert himself talking about this very topic in 2011:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26874.msg831610#msg831610

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I must be confusing it for the epsilon rocket then. That’s really interesting that there’s no roll control on stage 1 and 2.

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Does anyone have the NG mission patch artwork for L-174? I've looked everywhere and I can't seem to find it.

The embroidered patch and decal form of the emblem can be seen here:
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Mike McCants' TLE's for the 2 satellites shows them in 1100km orbits inclined 63.4 degrees. This is the same orbit as previous NOSS/Intruder launches, as well as the NROL-85, NROL-69 and NROL-77 missions which launched on Falcon 9 in the last few years.
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