This is what it's like to stand next to Falcon Heavy boosters landing w/ incredible audio!! Watch them punch through the fog! Thanks @spaceX / @sldelta45 for letting us put cameras at the landing zone! Part of a 3D VR film by Cosmic Perspective (@considercosmos)👇 link below 👇
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I don't see this in the STP-2 webcast. The view from the 2 side cores at separation clearly show the center core overtaking them while under power. The view from the center core ( center frame camera) clearly shows one of the side cores separating & falling downwards into the active plume of the center core. Shutting down the center core is not how separation occurs, that is how re-contact & LOM occur. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
... Shutting down the center core is not how separation occurs, that is how re-contact & LOM occur. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
2. Just prior to separation. at T+2:34, the lobe from the core has collapsed completely, which to me suggests a shutdown. The plumes from the side boosters continue, but are substantially diminished.
It's not the lobe from the center core, it's the interference pattern between the center core and side booster exhaust.It disappears because the thrust from the side boosters is gone, thus missing the other component for that interference pattern.
Quote from: ugordan on 11/05/2022 11:36 amIt's not the lobe from the center core, it's the interference pattern between the center core and side booster exhaust.It disappears because the thrust from the side boosters is gone, thus missing the other component for that interference pattern.If just the side boosters had shut down, the plume would have changed to circular. It didn't.
Although there are eight pneumatic struts that prevent the three fuselages rolling relative to each other, and two latches up forrard that connect each side booster to the core, the thrust transfer is all done from one point on the base of each side booster, to two corresponding points on the base of the core stage. To maintain contact, the side boosters need to be lifting the core by some amount during flight, because there doesn't appear to be any release mechanism at the thrust transfer points.For separation to have the best chance of success, the forces between the boosters should be minimised. From the USSF-44 telemetry plots there is a core coast phase from 149 to 153 seconds. The webcast is delayed by a few seconds, so the coast is from T+2:32 to T+2:36 in the webcast. The least force that would still maintain contact and control authority would be with the side boosters running a single engine at minimum throttle, and the core stage shut down.So, here's my suggested order of events, based on the evidence of the attached video from the STP-2 separation.1. Before staging, at T+2:32, the side boosters have throttled slightly (around 90%) to limit the thrust transferred to the core stage, and the core is running at around 46%. There is a pronounced lobe in the exhaust plume, most visible in the middle core stage camera view, which is created by the interaction of the plumes from each booster, and is most pronounced when the core stage is running (circled). The lobe is perpendicular to a line between the booster centrelines. The physics are the same as for the wide "Eye of Sauron" plume from a Falcon 9 three engine re-entry burn, which is also perpendicular to the line between the running engines.2. Just prior to separation. at T+2:34, the lobe from the core has collapsed completely, which to me suggests a shutdown. The plumes from the side boosters continue, but are substantially diminished.3. The next event, at T+2:35 is the release of the forward latches, and subsequent splaying of the side boosters, which are still connected at the aft thrust mounts.4. In order to disconnect at the thrust mounts, the core stage needs to accelerate, and at T+2:37 it restarts some of its engines, quickly leaving the side boosters behind. By T+2:39 a circular core plume is re-established.5. At T+2:41, it restarts the remaining engines, further expanding its plume. This event is evidenced in the telemetry as a bump in the core acceleration.
Quote from: Stan-1967 on 11/04/2022 12:33 amI don't see this in the STP-2 webcast. The view from the 2 side cores at separation clearly show the center core overtaking them while under power. The view from the center core ( center frame camera) clearly shows one of the side cores separating & falling downwards into the active plume of the center core. Shutting down the center core is not how separation occurs, that is how re-contact & LOM occur. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?Agreed. That's why I corrected myself above and suggested the brief, low acceleration bump (17%) is due to the dead weight of the side boosters after they shut down and before they separate. Then 42% after sep and before center core throttle up.
There is no center core shutdown during booster sep and no remaining engine(s) burning on boosters *during* sep. That would have been an engineer's nightmare in terms of vehicle reliability and complexity (having to have to relight 9 engines in mid flight just beacuse you wanted them to shut down for 3 seconds
What you are seeing* is the opposite. The view is of the center core from the perspective of the side boosters.Edit: missing word
Quote from: OneSpeed on 11/05/2022 12:01 pmIf just the side boosters had shut down, the plume would have changed to circular. It didn't.What do you mean it didn't? Do you really expect to see the exact same pattern when a core is isolated in space vs when it has1) a big object attached to the side constricting the airstream and thus the shape of the plume downstream?2) when that same attached object is in the midst of a shutdown transient/engine purge?
If just the side boosters had shut down, the plume would have changed to circular. It didn't.
Quote from: Citabria on 11/04/2022 08:05 pmAgreed. That's why I corrected myself above and suggested the brief, low acceleration bump (17%) is due to the dead weight of the side boosters after they shut down and before they separate. Then 42% after sep and before center core throttle up.If it's really 42% net throttle and The Merlin 1D's minimum throttle is 57% (User Guide, p. 9), that seems like you'd have to have 3 engines completely shut down, with the rest at a higher-than-minimum throttle. Do we have any evidence of engines restarting at throttle-up after BECO?
Agreed. That's why I corrected myself above and suggested the brief, low acceleration bump (17%) is due to the dead weight of the side boosters after they shut down and before they separate. Then 42% after sep and before center core throttle up.
USSF-44 fairings. New record downrange distance for recovery (1496km):
@SpaceOffshore Doug arrives in Port Canaveral
A Falcon Heavy Side Booster from USSF-44 (which will be re-used on USSF-67) has been spotted waiting outside the hangar at LC-39A for refurbishment. Based on the soot markings, this is B1064 (per the video).
Linus is WL2XOU.https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-20211130-01849"SSC Space US (dba Universal Space Network) a Delaware corporation request a special temporary authority to support testing of the WL2XOU (Linus), a US spacecraft mission from the Alaskan earth station in preparation for LEOP support of the mission."The above post says that Linus is a Lockheed Martin spacecraft and could also be referring to LINUS A1/A2 (LINUSS Chase/RSO) from Lockheed Martin, but that is two spacecraft! However, Parabolic Arc says that WL2XOU is from Universal Space Network.https://parabolicarc.com/2022/11/01/spacex-launches-first-falcon-heavy-rocket-since-2019-50th-launch-of-2022/I'm confused. Here's the notice for USUVL.https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2022-03276"The USN Naalehu Hawaiian ground station is requesting authorization to conduct TT&C support for the USUVL for a period of 180 days. The spacecraft is testing small satellite operations near the geo-belt in super-synchronous orbit."