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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #20 on: 05/17/2018 09:59 am »
One Space OS-X0 launch

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #21 on: 05/18/2018 08:48 am »
Put human into the picture, the test rocket is quite small. There is no separatable 2nd stage or payload fairing.

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« Reply #22 on: 05/18/2018 10:41 am »
Apparently a 40km suborbital test, hard to tell from the video, but if true 10x higher than Vector.

https://qz.com/1280638/onespace-says-it-launched-the-chinas-first-privately-built-rocket/


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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #23 on: 05/18/2018 11:52 am »
By the goals achieved, it reminds me somehow the first missions in the KSP video game.
They do have lots of Kerbals.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #24 on: 05/18/2018 06:42 pm »
Neat!  :)

But since this is a solid rocket, I presume that this company is a fairly thin cover for a company (or state owned entity) serving the Chinese defense industry.

Large scale solid rockets at this scale is not something that a startup company would normally be capable of. But if I'm wrong, more kudos to them! :)
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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #25 on: 05/18/2018 08:34 pm »
Neat!  :)

But since this is a solid rocket, I presume that this company is a fairly thin cover for a company (or state owned entity) serving the Chinese defense industry.

Large scale solid rockets at this scale is not something that a startup company would normally be capable of. But if I'm wrong, more kudos to them! :)
Several people are linking Stage 1 parameters most closely fit DF-10/11/15 missile families which are being phased out of the missile reserve fleet in favor of newer missile systems that have/are come/coming online.
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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #26 on: 05/18/2018 09:19 pm »
Neat!  :)

But since this is a solid rocket, I presume that this company is a fairly thin cover for a company (or state owned entity) serving the Chinese defense industry.

Large scale solid rockets at this scale is not something that a startup company would normally be capable of. But if I'm wrong, more kudos to them! :)
Several people are linking Stage 1 parameters most closely fit DF-10/11/15 missile families which are being phased out of the missile reserve fleet in favor of newer missile systems that have/are come/coming online.

Thanks, I guess my suspicions are correct. This - and what we (don't) see in their videos - does make it seem like this is a shell company that here to show that "we have new space companies too!". The videos show a distinct lack of production facilities. An empty warehouse with a huge sign blocking the empty area does not inspire confidence,

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #27 on: 05/22/2018 04:15 am »
There's nothing wrong with recycling military ICBM's that are near the end of their shelf life. Minotaur/Taurus is a western example, and the rocket that really kicked the smallsat revolution into high gear was Dnepr. Whether that is actually a sustainable model is open for debate, both from a remaining stock perspective if no new boosters are made, and new production for a booster that may have not been produced in a while.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #28 on: 05/22/2018 07:40 am »
Neat!  :)

But since this is a solid rocket, I presume that this company is a fairly thin cover for a company (or state owned entity) serving the Chinese defense industry.

Large scale solid rockets at this scale is not something that a startup company would normally be capable of. But if I'm wrong, more kudos to them! :)
Several people are linking Stage 1 parameters most closely fit DF-10/11/15 missile families which are being phased out of the missile reserve fleet in favor of newer missile systems that have/are come/coming online.

Thanks, I guess my suspicions are correct. This - and what we (don't) see in their videos - does make it seem like this is a shell company that here to show that "we have new space companies too!". The videos show a distinct lack of production facilities. An empty warehouse with a huge sign blocking the empty area does not inspire confidence,
I don't think solid production facilities would actually be cleared to be shown. Expace/CASIC certainly make their own motors, but we've never had factory shots afaik. It's worth noting CASIC do make new, unique motors for space use; solid launchers are generally seen as viable for future commercial launchers by Chinese providers. Maybe they're wrong about that, but is does mean solids don't necessarily mean military involvement.

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« Reply #29 on: 05/22/2018 07:54 am »
Oh I’m not saying they are doing anything wrong. And I’m not saying that they were handed a finished product, I’m sure they did some conversion and guidance work.

It’s just a bit disingenuous to suggest or present this - a rather substantial solid rocket motor - as their in house development effort. This is not a garage/start-up effort.
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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #30 on: 05/24/2018 07:37 am »
Press release from OneSpace translated with Google, some images and video
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At 7:33 on May 17th, at the launching base in northwest China, the "Chongqing Liangjiang Star", an OS-X rocket independently developed by the Chinese private company OneSpace, was successfully launched.

"Chongqing Liangjiang Star" is the first type of rocket in the OS-X series of the OneSpace, and is also the first privately-run commercial suborbital rocket in China. The rocket is 9 meters long and weighs 7,200 kilograms. Yesterday, after being lifted off, it flew in the atmosphere. The maximum altitude was about 38.7 kilometers, the maximum speed was over 5.7 times the speed of sound, the flight time was 306 seconds, and the flight distance was 273 kilometers. ! ! ! Please see this video below

In addition to verifying the performance of the X-Series rockets, the first flight also scored three achievements: First, to complete research objectives, such as verification of drag reduction and heat reduction of pneumatic support rods, to provide technical reserves for future product layout design; The second is the verification test window, such as the test maximum height (40 km), Mach number (4-6 Mach), etc. The third is to verify the cooperation model, for example, universities put forward cutting-edge scientific issues, through the first flight to carry out practical verification.

OneSpace X-Series Flight Test Platform adopts a self-developed commercial solid rocket engine as its power. Its engine thrust reaches 350KN. It has a powerful carrying capacity and can achieve a flight speed of 0-20 Mach for the customer's load. The test platform can be carried out according to the needs of users. Custom design to meet the needs of users. The platform adopts a modular design, low cost, high reliability, and provides a full-process launch service that is convenient and quick to launch.

OneSpace is the first domestic private company with complete intellectual property rights such as complete rocket R&D, design, production, final assembly, etc. It is also the first domestic private company to complete self-research rocket launch. The successful launch of "Chongqing Liangjiang Star" is a milestone event that marks an important step in the field of private aerospace. In the Chinese aerospace field, there is a new pattern of mutual promotion and complementarity between the "national team" and private enterprises.


Onespace has changed in the past by relying on state investment to research and develop aerospace-grade products, pioneering the introduction of advantageous social capital and large-scale state-owned industrial investment groups in the field of rocket development, sharing interests through equity investment, and sharing risks. Since its establishment in Beijing in 2015, in the three years it has accumulated three rounds of financing with a total amount of nearly 500 million yuan.


OneSpace actively responds to the national military-military integration strategy. Based on its mature technology, it has independently developed the OS-X series of sub-orbital rockets. Together with Beihang, China Southern Airlines, Xigong University and Harbin Institute of Technology, more than 10 domestic traditional aerospace advantage universities have jointly established a flying alliance. Through low-cost, high-frequency and combined flight tests, the threshold for technical verification is reduced, and the effective conversion of airspace technology is accelerated, thereby enriching the country's mature technology reserves in the airspace sector. The Flying Alliance is an open, innovative, and shared platform. By 2020, it will achieve “three hundred” and the number of alliance members will reach 100. The X-Series rockets will complete one hundred scientific research missions each year. Technical verification funds are within one million.

The future goal of OneSpace is to unite closely with universities and research institutes, and build a closed-loop aerospace science and technology ecological chain from research needs to flight verification, from program design to achievement hardening, and lead the nation through serialized flight tests. The development direction of airspace technology has gradually increased the research level of basic science in the national aerospace field and rapidly promoted the application of cutting-edge technology. At the same time, the company's own research and development of the OS-M series rockets will focus on micro-satellite precision and rapid networking launches, serving global small satellites and related business needs customers, providing fast, low-cost and high-quality launch services, its first type of rocket program will The first flight took place before and after the end of this year. OneSpace will work together with the national team to coordinate and cooperate with each other and make contributions to building China from a space power country to a space power nation.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #31 on: 05/24/2018 10:17 am »
Does the "pneumatic support rod" thing mean the aerospike on the top? An uncommon feature among rockets like this. Doesn't look like deployable. And those fins look odd, almost like some after thought. Chinese rocket designers like fins a lot, even the new CZ-5 and CZ-7 has fins.
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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #32 on: 05/24/2018 01:41 pm »
Does the "pneumatic support rod" thing mean the aerospike on the top? An uncommon feature among rockets like this. Doesn't look like deployable. And those fins look odd, almost like some after thought. Chinese rocket designers like fins a lot, even the new CZ-5 and CZ-7 has fins.
It is like other sounding rockets that used retired motors that when repurposed require different fins.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #33 on: 05/25/2018 03:35 am »
Does the "pneumatic support rod" thing mean the aerospike on the top? An uncommon feature among rockets like this. Doesn't look like deployable. And those fins look odd, almost like some after thought. Chinese rocket designers like fins a lot, even the new CZ-5 and CZ-7 has fins.

Forward aerospike is unusual for a commercial launcher, as there are generally no height restrictions dictating the need (such as a submarine launch tube), so you can go with a more pointy nosecone. Vestiges of reusing military components, particular the nosecone/RV design? But if a DF-10/11/15 derivative, those are all land based missiles, which doesn't explain the aerospike. Interstage/nosecone perhaps from a SLBM?

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #34 on: 05/25/2018 07:56 pm »
Vestiges of reusing military components, particular the nosecone/RV design? But if a DF-10/11/15 derivative, those are all land based missiles, which doesn't explain the aerospike. Interstage/nosecone perhaps from a SLBM?

Simpler or more likely explanation could be a conventional nose cone would be too heavy for this test. No idea how that aerospike would affect payload fairing separation in the future. Or likely it is a one-off thing.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #35 on: 05/25/2018 11:18 pm »
Does the "pneumatic support rod" thing mean the aerospike on the top? An uncommon feature among rockets like this. Doesn't look like deployable. And those fins look odd, almost like some after thought. Chinese rocket designers like fins a lot, even the new CZ-5 and CZ-7 has fins.

Forward aerospike is unusual for a commercial launcher, as there are generally no height restrictions dictating the need (such as a submarine launch tube), so you can go with a more pointy nosecone. Vestiges of reusing military components, particular the nosecone/RV design? But if a DF-10/11/15 derivative, those are all land based missiles, which doesn't explain the aerospike. Interstage/nosecone perhaps from a SLBM?
The reasoning is that the nosecone aerospike is an antenna only supposedly for the test flight. There is not an interstage on the flight becuase there is only one motor. The normal jettisonable scientific payload section does not appear to have flown on this flight and was replaces by an attached dummy payload section with the flight test recorders, antennas and such.

Also the State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND) helped to establish OneSpace Corporation which is a State Owned "Private" Enterprise. SASTIND ultimately established OSC to compete with SAST, CAST, CALT and others.

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OS-X series
The OS-X series of rockets are suborbital sounding rockets, reaching high altitude or reaching space but not orbit; they are meant for research and development of their launch systems.

OS-X0
The OS-X0 (aka "Chongqing Liangjiang Star")[9] is a 9 m (30 ft) long suborbital high-altitude rocket. It uses solid propellant and is designed to carry payloads up to 100 km (62 mi) reaching space. First flight (suborbital) was on 16 May 2018, reaching an altitude of 40 km (25 mi).[7][10][11] The rocket is built completely from homegrown Chinese technology.[7] Its launch represents the first rocket designed by a private company launched in China.[9]

OS-X1
The OS-X1 is a suborbital high-altitude rocket, a sounding rocket, designed for research and testing.[6] The solid rocket motor was successfully tested in December 2017, in anticipation of a rocket launch in June 2018.[12]

OS-M series
The OS-M series of rockets are larger than the OS series and aim to provide low cost flights to LEO and SSO.[13]

OS-M1
The OS-M1 is a light-launch spacelaunch launch vehicle rocketing payloads to low Earth orbit (LEO) and Sun synchronous orbit (SSO). It is projected to be capable of lofting 205 kg (452 lb) to 300 km (190 mi) high LEO; and 73 kg (161 lb) to 800 km (500 mi) high SSO.[6][13][14] The first launch is scheduled for Q4 2018.[15]

OS-M2
The OS-M2 is similar to the OS-M1, but has two boosters. Block A will be capable of lifting 390 kg (860 lb) to LEO and 204 kg (450 lb) to 800 km (500 mi) SSO, while block B will be capable of lifting 505 kg (1,113 lb) to LEO and 274 kg (604 lb) to 800 km (500 mi) SEO.[16]

OS-M4
The OS-M4 has four boosters. Block A will be capable of lifting 552 kg to LEO and 307 kg to 800km SSO, while block B will be capable of lifting 748 kg to LEO and 446 kg to 800km SEO.[17]

Future OS-M rockets
The firm is anticipating making future entries in the OS-M series of rockets in some way reusable.[6]

OneSpace is developing a 59 ton rocket,[5] that was originally scheduled for launch in 2018. It is to have a 500 kg (1,100 lb) payload to LEO. This is projected to cost RMB ¥100,000 CNY/kg ($6500 USD/lb)[18] OneSpace also envisions to eventually develop a crewed space capsule.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneSpace
http://www.onespacechina.com/
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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #36 on: 05/26/2018 11:35 am »
So it is a sensor probe instead of aerospike? Then what "verification of drag reduction and heat reduction of pneumatic support rods" refers to? Those yellow things below?

In China, state owned is better than privately owned, and directly owned by the central government is way better than state owned. Supported/backed by some big name state ministry, or even some tenuous connection to the state gives a private enterprise credibility. Some products even spend big money to run their marketing campaign at Great Hall of the People. So I take "SASTIND helped found us" with a grain of salt.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #37 on: 05/26/2018 06:38 pm »
So it is a sensor probe instead of aerospike? Then what "verification of drag reduction and heat reduction of pneumatic support rods" refers to? Those yellow things below?

In China, state owned is better than privately owned, and directly owned by the central government is way better than state owned. Supported/backed by some big name state ministry, or even some tenuous connection to the state gives a private enterprise credibility. Some products even spend big money to run their marketing campaign at Great Hall of the People. So I take "SASTIND helped found us" with a grain of salt.
AFAIU Yes. Not sure on second question. On third question if you are referring to the base of the stage it appears there are for thrust nozzles with vanes for thrust vectoring that connect to the fins just like DF-11 and 15 versions with out external fins.

I'm well aware what the text actually means.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #38 on: 05/26/2018 09:19 pm »
Now I am total lost on the "pneumatic support rods". Could be anything.

Found a few images of Df-15 tails. Looks quite different. Those fins are removable, and separated from the TV assembly. OS-X0 images are too small to see details, eps TV vanes. Those fins are a lot smaller, not attached to the aft skirt as they usually do, but attached to some extension from the skirt. And skirt is a lot wider than the body. As if they want to move center of pressure as backward as possible, but refuse to use bigger fins.

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Re: OneSpace Corporation
« Reply #39 on: 05/26/2018 09:54 pm »
Now I am total lost on the "pneumatic support rods". Could be anything.

Found a few images of Df-15 tails. Looks quite different. Those fins are removable, and separated from the TV assembly. OS-X0 images are too small to see details, eps TV vanes. Those fins are a lot smaller, not attached to the aft skirt as they usually do, but attached to some extension from the skirt. And skirt is a lot wider than the body. As if they want to move center of pressure as backward as possible, but refuse to use bigger fins.
Aero surfaces and thrust vanes look like they are shared between OS-X and OS-M families as the spacing is the same but the skirt on OS-X tapers down to the smaller motor diameter. The motor base with thrust vanes match the configuration of the DF-11 series thus the external fins are add ons (unless the aft fins are not attached in the photo) for better injection accuracy or to apply a bit of drag on the flight.

DF-11 reference: http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/df11.htm

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