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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #220 on: 08/18/2017 02:29 pm »
Interview with Tim Dunn. Talking about LOX chilldown issue.
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #221 on: 08/18/2017 02:31 pm »
Congrats to ULA on another successful launch!

The apogee is not as high as GEO, though the perigee is higher than a typical GTO misson at just over 4000 km.  This was expected according to the mission overview.  I'd assume the reason is that they wanted a higher perigee, to reduce the final deficit to GEO.  But I think if you try this, you are supposed to have a perigee of at least 4000 km, to avoid space junk problems.  So I'd guess they designed the mission to have a perigee of 4000 km, then raised the apogee as far as they could given the total performance available.

EDIT:  My mistake.  I did not notice they quoted the apogee in nautical miles, not the more common statute miles.   Apogee is almost exactly GEO after accounting for this conversion.
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #222 on: 08/18/2017 02:32 pm »
TDRS-M pins for Josh and Tim.
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #223 on: 08/18/2017 02:38 pm »
NASA wrapping up coverage.

Congratulations to ULA and NASA for the successful launch!

I well remember watching TDRS-C being launched on the Shuttle return to flight in South Bend, Indiana where I was doing my Ph.D. Part of that was designing a rate 5/6 8PSK trellis code Viterbi decoder. The decoder was built by myself back here in Adelaide and then successfully tested at White Sands over the TDRS satellites (after fixing an embarrassing wiring error!). Its great to see the last of the third series of TDRS satellites making orbit!
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #224 on: 08/18/2017 02:45 pm »
Congrats to ULA and NASA for the successful execution of TDRS-M's launch!

It's about time we had another Atlas V go off; it's been four months since the last one (Cygnus OA-7).
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #225 on: 08/18/2017 02:53 pm »
The apogee is not as high as GEO.

Apogee is exactly GEO altitude, when propagated out to apogee.

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #226 on: 08/18/2017 02:54 pm »
I'm late, but congratulations to all involved teams. Glad to see Atlas back into the swing of things after her sabbatical
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #227 on: 08/18/2017 02:57 pm »
Congratulations to NASA & ULA on this successful launch.

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #228 on: 08/18/2017 03:00 pm »
Pics from ULA:
United Launch Alliance Successfully Launches
NASA’s TDRS-M Satellite
Final Mission in Series Completes Third Generation Space Communication Satellites

Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla., (Aug. 18, 2017) – A United Launch Alliance (ULA) Atlas V rocket carrying the NASA’s Tracking Data and Relay Satellite-M (TDRS-M) lifted off from Space Launch Complex-41 Aug. 18 at 8:29 a.m. EDT. The TDRS-M is the third and final mission in the series of these third generation space communication satellites to orbit, as part of the follow-on fleet being developed to replenish NASA’s space Network.

“ULA uses the TDRS system as a primary means of receiving and distributing launch vehicle telemetry data during every flight.  In fact, the TDRS-K and TDRS-L spacecraft, launched by ULA in 2013 and 2014 tracked today’s launch” said Laura Maginnis, ULA vice president of Government Satellite Launch. “We are absolutely honored to have delivered this core NASA capability and critical national resource for our country.”

All six of the newest TDRS satellites have been delivered to orbit on Atlas V vehicles.

       This mission was launched aboard an Atlas V 401 configuration vehicle, which includes a 4-meter extended payload fairing. The Atlas booster for this mission was powered by the RD AMROSS RD-180 engine, and the Centaur upper stage was powered by the Aerojet Rocketdyne RL10C engine. This is ULA’s 5th launch in 2017 and the 120th successful launch since the company was formed in December 2006.

            “Congratulations to our entire ULA team and mission partners at NASA on another successful launch that will enable so many to explore and operate in space,” said Maginnis.

The Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System (TDRSS) is a space-based communication system used to provide tracking, telemetry, command and high-bandwidth data return services. Microwave communications equipment and gimbaled antennae are the primary payload of each TDRS. The system is capable of providing near continuous high-bandwidth telecommunications services for Low Earth orbiting spacecraft and expendable launch vehicles including the International Space Station.

With more than a century of combined heritage, United Launch Alliance is the nation’s most experienced and reliable launch service provider. ULA has successfully delivered more than 115 satellites to orbit that aid meteorologists in tracking severe weather, unlock the mysteries of our solar system, provide critical capabilities for troops in the field and enable personal device-based GPS navigation.

For more information on ULA, visit the ULA website at www.ulalaunch.com, or call the ULA Launch Hotline at 1-877-ULA-4321 (852-4321). Join the conversation at www.facebook.com/ulalaunch, twitter.com/ulalaunch and instagram.com/ulalaunch.
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #229 on: 08/18/2017 03:07 pm »
The apogee is not as high as GEO.

Apogee is exactly GEO altitude, when propagated out to apogee.
Right you are.  I made this mistake since the perigree is quoted in nautical miles, not statute miles or kilometers.  The mission press kit   quotes the apogee at separation of 19,324 nm.   I recalled that GEO has apogee of 20,000+ miles, as in this from Wikipedia:
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A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.
So when I saw the apogee begin with '1' and not '2', I thought it was sub-GEO.  But the two radii are very nearly the same after unit conversion.

My personal preference would be to use metric for these figures.

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #230 on: 08/18/2017 03:31 pm »
Congrats to ULA. Heading home now after a very successful Florida trip. Saw my first SpaceX landing and first Atlas V launch. Here is my video from today at the LC-39 observation gantry. It's just on my phone as I prefer to focus on watching the launch with my eyes. 😉

If anyone is interested in watching a launch from the LC-39 gantry it gives a good perspective of the distance. Only 2.3 miles! I would highly recommend paying for the ticket as the view is amazing.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5EJZmPiiiATMTFBLUdKTnllMm8/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #231 on: 08/18/2017 04:01 pm »
Congrats to ULA, NASA, Range and all others.    8)

Thanks to Steven and Chris for the coverage.

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LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #232 on: 08/18/2017 05:53 pm »
From the SN article covering the launch concerning the next generation of TDRS satellites.

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“The deployment of the satellites depends on the requirements. At this moment, there is no need a TDRS-N,” said Badri Younes, deputy associate administrator for Space Communications and Navigation at NASA Headquarters. “We are seeing a need for additional data relaying capability around the 2025 time frame.”

Those future needs will be met by a later generation of communications satellites. Younes, at the press conference, said those future spacecraft will likely incorporate new technologies, including laser communications, which he said can offer up to 100 times the bandwidth for the same amount of power. “We have declared the next decade to be the decade of light, as we intend to light up the communications highways over the solar system,” he said.

Other technologies he said NASA was considering incorporating on future satellites include disruption tolerant networking and quantum entanglement, which would provide essentially unbreakable encryption for satellite communications. China has been testing quantum entanglement for communications using a satellite launched last year.

Younes suggested that those future data relay satellites might be owned and operated by commercial entities rather than NASA. “NASA’s optimum goal is to push the technology to enable the commercial sector such that these services can be provided by commercial providers, and NASA will not need in the future to build these kinds of capabilities,” he said. “They can become a user, like any other user.”

http://spacenews.com/tdrs-launch-marks-end-of-an-era/
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #233 on: 08/18/2017 07:22 pm »
I had to go out and buy a new monitor so I missed it live, but what a way to inaugurate it with a beautiful Atlas V launch on YouTube! 8) Congratulations to all the teams and especially to those at NSF that allowed me to catch-up on the excitement! :)
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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #234 on: 08/18/2017 09:16 pm »
Congratulations to ULA and NASA:

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #235 on: 08/18/2017 09:19 pm »
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Space fans, tourists, and beach-goers watch the liftoff of Atlas V and TDRS-M! Photo by me from Playalinda Beach. cc: @ulalaunch @torybruno

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
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Third Generation Satellite Joins NASA's Communication Network
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Published on 18 Aug 2017
On Friday, August 18, NASA launched the third in a series of three advanced, Tracking and Data Relay Satellites, known as TDRS-M, from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, in Florida. This latest addition to the fleet will augment a space communications network that provides the critical path for high data-rate communication to a host of spacecraft including the International Space Station and its resupply vehicles, the Hubble Space Telescope and many of NASA’s Earth-observing fleet spacecraft.

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #237 on: 08/19/2017 12:14 am »
Really glad we got this off on the first attempt. I love working with rockets, but showing up for console duty at 0130 is not my idea of fun!

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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #238 on: 08/19/2017 03:03 am »
Atlas V TDRS-M Launch Highlights

United Launch Alliance
Published on Aug 18, 2017

An Atlas V rocket lifts off from Cape Canaveral’s Space Launch Complex-41 with NASA’s Tracking and Data Relay Satellite-M (TDRS-M). The addition of TDRS-M to the Space Network (SN) provides the ability to support space communication for an additional 15 years.



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Re: LIVE: Atlas V 401 - TDRS-M - August 18, 2017
« Reply #239 on: 08/19/2017 06:57 am »
Some TDRS-M artwork which has not been posted yet, I believe

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