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Another thread discussing fringe topics with a whole load of fuzzy data? I lurk here mostly, but I hope topics like this isn't a sign of where this site is headed.

Tell you what, when Airbus gives their presser later this month dealing with this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/259591568/Airbus-LENR-Patent-Google-Translation

we can talk in greater detail. Fair enough?
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Some mighty find this interesting.

Naysayers, probably not.

https://meetings.vtools.ieee.org/m/35303
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I remain intensely skeptical but these are respectable scientists being hosted by an established and  respectable organization. 
It would have been interesting to hear.
Can anyone get a transcript or presentation package from it?
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Another thread discussing fringe topics with a whole load of fuzzy data? I lurk here mostly, but I hope topics like this isn't a sign of where this site is headed.

Then go read the mainstream articles on it instead and please loose the attitude.  Here's a lovely update on LENR efforts from August by a Lawrence National Lab scientist: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/post_10010_b_8052326.html

Or if you simply want hard information on why the e-cat reactor doesn't work as advertised go here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/258595858/USPTO-Final-Rejection-Rossi-Patent

Honestly, I am still scratching my head over what changed between March when USPTO issued a "final rejection" letter to Rossi and August when they accepted the application and granted the patent, but I go do some primary research before shooting my mouth off.
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Or if you simply want hard information on why the e-cat reactor doesn't work as advertised go here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/258595858/USPTO-Final-Rejection-Rossi-Patent

Honestly, I am still scratching my head over what changed between March when USPTO issued a "final rejection" letter to Rossi and August when they accepted the application and granted the patent, but I go do some primary research before shooting my mouth off.
Different patent. The new patent does not mention LENR in any way.
I want to add that while there are a lot of "notes" from respectable scientists floating around, I have yet to see a peer reviewed paper in a physics publication that actually confirms the whole thing. So far, all I see are reviews by "believers" and nothing from skeptics. You need to convince the latter and not the former in order to convince me.

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Another thread discussing fringe topics with a whole load of fuzzy data? I lurk here mostly, but I hope topics like this isn't a sign of where this site is headed.

Tell you what, when Airbus gives their presser later this month dealing with this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/259591568/Airbus-LENR-Patent-Google-Translation

we can talk in greater detail. Fair enough?

Oh now that's a biggie. Woah.

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Another thread discussing fringe topics with a whole load of fuzzy data? I lurk here mostly, but I hope topics like this isn't a sign of where this site is headed.

Tell you what, when Airbus gives their presser later this month dealing with this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/259591568/Airbus-LENR-Patent-Google-Translation

we can talk in greater detail. Fair enough?

This is an earlier related news item.

http://news.newenergytimes.net/2015/01/16/airbus-staff-scientist-sees-potential-of-lenrs/

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All the Papers From Airbus LENR Conference:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/17/all-the-papers-from-airbus-conference/
OK. I only read part of one paper but it is a doozy.
"But, for sure, we can say two things about that."
Who writes like that in a professional paper?
The paper seems to say that because the LENR camp is having difficulty generating a proof that convinces "orthodox physicists" of the validity of LENR, they can say "Oh yeah, smarty pants. Well you can't prove that it doesn't exist to OUR satisfaction!"

With this as an example, I don't intend to read another unless someone can point me to one with substance.

Edit: Fixed the acronym
« Last Edit: 10/18/2015 05:02 am by Comga »
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All the Papers From Airbus LENR Conference:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/17/all-the-papers-from-airbus-conference/
I think this kind of seals the thread

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6 Conclusion

We have described the basics of the theory of some kind of games which are general enough to represent an important class of existing games. We proposed that Nature mimics such games for energy creation. We showed that such a point of view englobes all known kinds of energy today. But we also showed that this gives room for much more subtle schemes, some of which could be at stake in the experiments of cold fusion. In fact, there are so many possibilities for games, that probably, even if a small fraction of the games was playable for creating energy, we still probably have infinitely many ways to create such energy.

That's from the esteemed scientist who is the only strenuous link to Airbus Group Innovations ( not Airbus ) here, and also the apparent organizer of the 'conference'. I'm sorry, maybe i'm just an engineering dude but this does not resemble a scientific paper.
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If it were for real, they'd have no problem producing electricity. Have a box that produces tens of kilowatts of electricity, hooked up to an electrical meter, and making money.

That's the crux of the matter. Measuring energy in and out is not difficult. Your average high school lab and physics teacher could do this, beyond all reasonable doubt.

It's now been several years since it was claimed to be producing, but still no repeated, fully verifiable experiments.

So either it's a hoax, or there's something there, but no one's quite figured it out yet.

These guys think there's something there, but are being a bit more cautious:
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-scalability-of-lenr-power-generation-systems-nov-29-2015

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Here's some 3rd party validation news this week on a US LENR company- Brillouin Energy.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/12/prweb13108198.htm


These guys just testified to Congress too.  They are using hydrogen and nickel in their tabletop reactors to generate heat.
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2015/11/24/congress-views-brillouin-energys-lenr-hht-bolier-reactor-system-generating-thermal-energy#axzz3tNNhepxw



BERKELEY, CA (PRWEB) DECEMBER 02, 2015
Brillouin Energy Corp., developer of renewable energy technologies capable of producing commercially useful amounts of thermal energy (heat) based on controlled low energy nuclear reactions (“LENR”), announced today that its Hydrogen Hot Tube™ (HHT™) Boiler System reactor core modules, were the subject of a recently completed independent Technical Validation Report.
The 35-page Report was prepared as technical due diligence by Michael Halem, a third party technical investigator. The Technical Validation Report summarizes the investigation into Brillouin Energy's HHT™ single tube core prototypes at Brillouin's Berkeley laboratory and at its research partner SRI International. The results are drawn from a series of calibrated tests of both systems. Mr. Halem personally designed tests on the HHT™ systems and then directed the technical staff of Brillouin Energy and SRI to execute the test plans. The tests, in which 95 channels of data were recorded and then investigated, included multiple technical changes to validate the thermodynamic results.
In all cases, the results were consistent: the data demonstrate with very high confidence that the Brillouin Energy HHT™ prototype repeatedly produced lab-scale excess heat from LENR.
"I was given full access to the experiments," said Mr. Halem. "I was able to confirm, with a high degree of confidence, excess energy output above chemical and likely due to a nuclear reaction." The Technical Validation Report affirms that Brillouin Energy’s HHT™ technology "is scalable by assembling multiple HHT™ tubes" in a reactor system. The Report was peer reviewed by Mr. Halem’s technical colleague, Dr. Antoine Guillemin who holds his Masters in Nuclear Physics and Ph.D. in Building Physics. Brillouin Energy’s Technical Validation Report is available upon request to qualified interested parties under a customary non-disclosure agreement.
About Brillouin Energy
Brillouin Energy is a clean-technology company based in Berkeley, California, which is developing, in collaboration with Stanford Research International (SRI), an ultra-clean, low-cost, renewable energy technology that is capable of producing commercially useful amounts of thermal energy from LENR.
Brillouin Energy’s technology includes a proprietary method of electrical stimulation of nickel metal conductors using its unique Q-Pulse™ control system. The process stimulates the system to generate LENR reactions, which generates excess heat. The excess heat produced is a product of hydrogen and a nickel metal lattice. Other than the heat output, there are no (zero) toxic or CO2 emissions of any kind.
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It's probably worth pointing out that Halem and Guillemin are partners in a company called LENR Invest, which is financially involved with Brillouin. Hardly an "independent" validation, and certainly not a "peer review".

(Annoyingly, this stuff seems to happen a lot in the LENR field. We get promised independent validation by external expert researchers, but it always seems to turn out to be some combination the same dozen guys who are already committed LENR believers.)

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It's probably worth pointing out that Halem and Guillemin are partners in a company called LENR Invest, which is financially involved with Brillouin. Hardly an "independent" validation, and certainly not a "peer review".

(Annoyingly, this stuff seems to happen a lot in the LENR field. We get promised independent validation by external expert researchers, but it always seems to turn out to be some combination the same dozen guys who are already committed LENR believers.)

Excellent catch sir!
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Here's some 3rd party validation news this week on a US LENR company- Brillouin Energy.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/12/prweb13108198.htm


These guys just testified to Congress too.  They are using hydrogen and nickel in their tabletop reactors to generate heat.
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2015/11/24/congress-views-brillouin-energys-lenr-hht-bolier-reactor-system-generating-thermal-energy#axzz3tNNhepxw

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“Demonstrating Brillouin Energy’s latest reactor modules on Capitol Hill is a wonderful opportunity to increase awareness of our clean energy “fuel-free” technology to Congress and others among U.S. governmental and scientific representatives,” explained Robert Godes, President and CTO of Brillouin Energy Corp. 

It's an opportunity. LENR, i mean.

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Hopefully the google translate link works: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nikkei.com%2Farticle%2FDGXMZO06252800Z10C16A8000000%2F&edit-text=

Tohuku University claims repeatable positive results.
Japanese and machine translation do not go together. *ever*

unless you want a good laugh at some japanese person's expense on twitter. what isn't hillariously wrong is trance inducing or headache inducing or both.

on a related note: Tohuku Zunko is the PR mascot for the Tohuku region. machine translation of her name is Zunko Dung chan. There are human mascots dressed as her around the Tohuku region and an electronic singing synthesis software program with the same mascot.

here is computer program "Dung" chan singing in imitation english using japanese language phonemes:





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relevant.

machine translation of Japanese is terrible to the point of being useless even for short simple pleasantries let alone scientific papers.

and the poor Tohuku vocaloid's embarrassing name translation illustrates it perfectly.

Also it's a pretty cool coincidence (at least to me) that the university responsible for the paper is in Tohuku province/ward.
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Or if you simply want hard information on why the e-cat reactor doesn't work as advertised go here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/258595858/USPTO-Final-Rejection-Rossi-Patent

Honestly, I am still scratching my head over what changed between March when USPTO issued a "final rejection" letter to Rossi and August when they accepted the application and granted the patent, but I go do some primary research before shooting my mouth off.
Different patent. The new patent does not mention LENR in any way.
I want to add that while there are a lot of "notes" from respectable scientists floating around, I have yet to see a peer reviewed paper in a physics publication that actually confirms the whole thing. So far, all I see are reviews by "believers" and nothing from skeptics. You need to convince the latter and not the former in order to convince me.
Rossi's claim is not whats really happening i guess. I think they just made a form of energy transistor, not a fusion reactor.

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