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Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« on: 12/07/2023 04:15 pm »
Last thread I could find on the FLPP is 9 years old!



https://twitter.com/andrewparsonson/status/1732761639521263771

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The European Space Agency has published a tender aimed at beginning the development of a very high-thrust rocket engine for future heavy-lift launch vehicles.
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/esa-wants-to-develop-a-very-high-thrust-rocket-engine/

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #1 on: 12/07/2023 11:41 pm »
Raptor class engine, probably intended for EHLL designs?

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #2 on: 12/17/2023 09:48 am »
Here's the actual tender:

https://esastar-publication-ext.sso.esa.int/ESATenderActions/details/71553

"for the heavy liftcapability" implies that this tender is, indeed, to power something like EHLL.

However, it could also serve for other purposes. It's similar in thrust to DLR's "SpaceLiner Main Engine", which they proposed would power a large winged RLV. It's also about twice the thrust of a Vulcain or Prometheus engine, so it could power a future upgrade of Ariane 6.

In any case, the tender serves "to elaborate further the concept and de-risk the enablingtechnologies and infrastructures at the basis of such a very high thrust propulsion building block". In other words, "write a few papers". Don't expect any actual hardware until money is allocated at the 2025 ministerial council..

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #3 on: 12/17/2023 11:55 am »
Here's the actual tender:

https://esastar-publication-ext.sso.esa.int/ESATenderActions/details/71553

"for the heavy liftcapability" implies that this tender is, indeed, to power something like EHLL.

However, it could also serve for other purposes. It's similar in thrust to DLR's "SpaceLiner Main Engine", which they proposed would power a large winged RLV. It's also about twice the thrust of a Vulcain or Prometheus engine, so it could power a future upgrade of Ariane 6.

In any case, the tender serves "to elaborate further the concept and de-risk the enablingtechnologies and infrastructures at the basis of such a very high thrust propulsion building block". In other words, "write a few papers". Don't expect any actual hardware until money is allocated at the 2025 ministerial council..

"Open To Tenderers From
BE+CH+ES+FR+IT"

That seems to be missing some big countries, is it normal?

Although right now, I don't know any other 250t thrust class engine development in Europe beside the current CNES-Arianegroup projects ("Upscaled Prometheus" and Staged combustion projects, the later being supposed to have a subscale demonstrator firing... by 2025) which are in France.

https://www.eucass.eu/component/docindexer/?task=download&id=7136

Not sure where such projects would be tested, the PF50 is supposed to be modified later this decade to handle 250t thrust engines, but that's NET 2028. Are there other large test benches in construction?


« Last Edit: 12/17/2023 11:56 am by TheKutKu »

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #4 on: 08/09/2024 06:47 pm »
Promising early tests for variable-thrust landing engine

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As part of ESA’s Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP), the first phase of hot-fire tests has been completed on a new, variable-thrust rocket engine in Warsaw, Poland. The engine is being developed by a Polish consortium investigating new designs for propellant valves and injectors that can vary the thrust of rocket engines powered by more sustainable and storable propellants. Such engines have great potential for use in future space missions and reusable rockets.

The new engine is called the Throttleable Liquid Propulsion Demonstrator (TLPD), it is now being dismounted and inspected, with the results being analysed at the site of prime contractor ‘Łukasiewicz Research Network – Institute of Aviation’ (Lukasiewicz-ILOT) in Poland, with partners Astronika and Jakusz SpaceTech, before the next phase of testing begins.

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The throttleable engine includes a newly designed fuel injector and control valves. With a thrust of 5kN (compared to the Ariane 6 upper stage engine's thrust of 180 kN), the TLPD engine is perfect for the upper stage of smaller rockets, for in-space vehicles, for launcher kick-stages and exploration missions. The ability to modify its thrust makes it also very interesting for landing spacecraft on Earth, the Moon and beyond.

Image credit: Łukasiewicz Research Network – Institute of Aviation’ (Lukasiewicz-ILOT)
« Last Edit: 08/10/2024 06:52 am by bolun »

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #5 on: 11/18/2024 07:35 pm »
From a few months ago but Pangea was awarded a contract in September.

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Pangea Aerospace has been tasked by the European Space Agency (ESA) to identify de-risking technologies and design a Very High Thrust rocket engine for future European launchers.

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The company will conduct a detailed market analysis to identify current and future needs, as well as design a very high thrust engine of over 2MN of thrust.

https://pangeaaerospace.com/news-esa-has-entrusted-pangea-aerospace-with-the-very-high-thrust-engine-preparation-activities/

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #6 on: 11/19/2024 10:59 am »
What I'm missing here is the links to relevant pages on ESA's website. ESA updated their website not to long ago. They have a dedicated site for Spacetransportation.esa.int
But they didn't integrate links to this site on the main ESA website (I think this is odd).
There are (at least) three programs under ESA (Enabeling & Support) Space Transportation:
- Future Space Transportation FLPP link
- BOOST! (Support for commercial space transportation)
- Space Rider (and possibly Ariane 6 and Vega C/E)

This topic is about FLPP.
FLPP funds space transportation technology development and maturation projects.
There are six subprograms under FLPP:
THRUST!  propulsion development
FIRST!     Technology Disruptors
InSPoC     In-Space transportation Proof-of-Concepts
BEST!       Reusability (Reuseble boosters & first stages)
Themis  reusable first stage demo (older subprogram/ demonstrator >BEST!)
Phoebus Optimized [Ariane 6] upper stage (older subprogram)
Prometheus engine (older subprogram => THRUST!)
I think the last three subprojects are older ESA development, that were started before the FLPP program restructuring. They are integrated system demonstrators.
These newer projects are run via bids on Call's for Opportunities on ESA commercialization page

I think this background info about FLPP is required to keep this topic ordered.
« Last Edit: 11/19/2024 11:01 am by Rik ISS-fan »

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #7 on: 11/21/2024 07:16 pm »


And ESA STS FLPP launched the FIRST! Reusability campaign (development of breaktrough technologies for reusable launchers)
« Last Edit: 11/21/2024 07:18 pm by Rik ISS-fan »

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Re: Future Launchers Preparatory Programme (FLPP)
« Reply #8 on: 01/15/2025 07:22 am »
For some reason neither ESA nor ArianeGroup through this was worth sharing at the time. Weird!

https://europeanspaceflight.com/arianegroup-completes-key-prometheus-hot-fire-test/

 

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