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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #380 on: 12/16/2010 05:42 pm »
Pretty obvious that the Republicans don't want the Appropriations for 2011 to pass. TBH, if this doesn't pass before the Republicans take control of the HOR the future of NASA's Space Exploration could be in big trouble.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #381 on: 12/16/2010 06:33 pm »
Pretty obvious that the Republicans don't want the Appropriations for 2011 to pass. TBH, if this doesn't pass before the Republicans take control of the HOR the future of NASA's Space Exploration could be in big trouble.

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I don't know if it's that clear that all Republicans in the Senate are against the bill. If one Senator asks for reading of the bill, then it must be read.

One possibility is for the Senate to pass an amendment to their omnibus appropriation bill that would make all earmarks not mandatory.

The other alternative is for the Senate to pass the House year long CR which has no earmarks. Let's wait and see.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #382 on: 12/16/2010 08:13 pm »
FWIW, story that Senator McConnell has introduced a bill that extends the current clean CR (#2, Public Law 111-290) another two months:
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/134009-mcconnell-offers-two-month-extension-of-bill-to-fund-the-government

This is presumably the Republican alternative in the Senate to the omnibus appropriations bill that will reportedly be introduced this week by Senator Inouye.


This would not be good from NASA's perspective because wouldn't this mean another two months would have to go by before they could officially cancel Constellation projects?

There needs to be an updated (non-clean) CR or a new appropriations bill to strike the language from last year's that prevents this.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #383 on: 12/16/2010 11:58 pm »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #384 on: 12/17/2010 12:02 am »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.

That is quite unfortunate.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #385 on: 12/17/2010 12:10 am »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.

See more on this, here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46520.html

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #386 on: 12/17/2010 01:54 am »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.

Rough.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #387 on: 12/17/2010 02:33 am »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.

Since this "clean" CR isn't the one that passed the House, it will have to go to the House for final passage. Is there a possibility this "clean" CR could be amended with the language allowing NASA to proceed on SLS before passing and going to the House?
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #388 on: 12/17/2010 02:49 am »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.

Since this "clean" CR isn't the one that passed the House, it will have to go to the House for final passage. Is there a possibility this "clean" CR could be amended with the language allowing NASA to proceed on SLS before passing and going to the House?
Clean means no changes. If NASA gets to make changes then all the other programs would want to update their spending guidance. So I would say that is doubtful.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #389 on: 12/17/2010 03:24 am »
The Senate Majority Leader has just indicated he will not attempt to proceed with consideration of the House-passed CR (nor, with it, the proposed Inouye Omnibus amendment). That leaves ONLY the option for another "clean" CR...basically a continuation of what has been in effect for the past two and a half months. There will be no "corrective" language regarding prior restrictions on program termination, and no certainty as to what the full FY 2011 funding levels will be. This will almost certainly have a ripple effect in slowing down progress in moving forward with the SLS development activities, though what work NASA will feel it is able to will obviously be the subject of subsequent conversations and briefings with Members of Congress and staff.

Since this "clean" CR isn't the one that passed the House, it will have to go to the House for final passage. Is there a possibility this "clean" CR could be amended with the language allowing NASA to proceed on SLS before passing and going to the House?
Clean means no changes. If NASA gets to make changes then all the other programs would want to update their spending guidance. So I would say that is doubtful.

Correct. It will probably just end up as a simple amendment to change the effective dates for the existing CR.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #390 on: 12/17/2010 08:54 am »
It's a shame NASA's not a bank with a struggling stock price, full of people getting millions in bonuses, otherwise the politicians would be falling over themselves to help :(

We need a revolution. Current system, both here and in the US is flawed.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #391 on: 12/17/2010 10:53 am »
Correct. It will probably just end up as a simple amendment to change the effective dates for the existing CR.

I wonder though, in the next congress the appropriations process seems very uncertain at this point, no one really knows what is going to happen. There could even be another CR before we get a fully updated set of new bills.

If it's going to take a long time to get an updated NASA appropriation, how hard would it be to pass another simple resolution just striking the restrictive language in last year's bill so at least NASA can move forward with new programs under the CRs? If NASA presses for that in the next Congress I wonder if they could get something. The Senators in the commerce committee hearing seemed very motivated to see something done about that.
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« Reply #392 on: 12/17/2010 12:44 pm »
Correct. It will probably just end up as a simple amendment to change the effective dates for the existing CR.

I wonder though, in the next congress the appropriations process seems very uncertain at this point, no one really knows what is going to happen. There could even be another CR before we get a fully updated set of new bills.

If it's going to take a long time to get an updated NASA appropriation, how hard would it be to pass another simple resolution just striking the restrictive language in last year's bill so at least NASA can move forward with new programs under the CRs? If NASA presses for that in the next Congress I wonder if they could get something. The Senators in the commerce committee hearing seemed very motivated to see something done about that.

In the current environment, it would likely be difficult to get the Pledge of Allegiance passed as an amendment to something! That said, I'd say it's a safe bet that ANY opportunity will be sought  by those Senators in the Commerce Committee hearing to whom you refer, to remove ANY impediment to implementing P.L. 111-267.
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« Reply #393 on: 12/17/2010 07:15 pm »
Looks like there may be a "mini" CR for just a few days to provide time to see if something can be pulled together for a full-year, so there MAY still be an opportunity to get some clarity for NASA for the balance of FY 2011 after all. If so, it will likely look more like the initial house-passed CR than the Omnibus. Stay tuned; it's a dynamic environment, as always, late in the year and especially in a late in the year "lame duck" session.
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« Reply #394 on: 12/17/2010 08:35 pm »
Looks like there may be a "mini" CR for just a few days to provide time to see if something can be pulled together for a full-year, so there MAY still be an opportunity to get some clarity for NASA for the balance of FY 2011 after all. If so, it will likely look more like the initial house-passed CR than the Omnibus. Stay tuned; it's a dynamic environment, as always, late in the year and especially in a late in the year "lame duck" session.

That's good news. Because of all of the earmarks, the Senate Omnibus bill was DOA. All you have to do is read the headlines dicussing the Senate omnibus bill. A lot of these headlines have the word pork in them even though earmarks only represented 8 billion out of $1.1 trillion. 
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #395 on: 12/17/2010 08:44 pm »
Looks like there may be a "mini" CR for just a few days to provide time to see if something can be pulled together for a full-year, so there MAY still be an opportunity to get some clarity for NASA for the balance of FY 2011 after all. If so, it will likely look more like the initial house-passed CR than the Omnibus. Stay tuned; it's a dynamic environment, as always, late in the year and especially in a late in the year "lame duck" session.
FWIW, the Library of Congress site has a pointer to HJRes 105 -- as 51D wrote, would extend from Dec. 18 to Dec. 21.

This page has links to the bill text and proposed rules of debate:
http://www.rules.house.gov/bills_details.aspx?NewsID=4804

Library of Congress (a.k.a. 'Thomas') appropriation page for this year:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app11.html

Edit -- looks like it's been to the House floor in the last hour; I believe passed by voice vote.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #396 on: 12/17/2010 10:08 pm »
In the current environment, it would likely be difficult to get the Pledge of Allegiance passed as an amendment to something!

That does seem to be the general sentiment, however the authorization bill passed the Senate unanimously and the House by a 3/4 majority, so I was hoping there would be room for more broad consensus on NASA items.

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« Reply #397 on: 12/17/2010 11:09 pm »
http://spacenews.com/policy/101217-house-readies-short-cr.html

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WASHINGTON The U.S. House of Representatives was expected to take action on a short-term spending measure to continue funding the federal government at 2010 levels through Dec. 21, giving the U.S. Senate time to complete work on a longer-term spending package for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Dec. 17.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #398 on: 12/18/2010 01:09 am »
In the current environment, it would likely be difficult to get the Pledge of Allegiance passed as an amendment to something!

That does seem to be the general sentiment, however the authorization bill passed the Senate unanimously and the House by a 3/4 majority, so I was hoping there would be room for more broad consensus on NASA items.

Well, it's not so much a matter of consensus on the NASA items per se; it's the fact that it is simply not possible to get separate consideration given to NASA funding because of the structure of the appropriations jurisdictional areas and the fact that the present circumstances require a consensus on the entire package of appropriations for the entire government; on the non-funding-related "policy" side, there's just no time to get separate, clarifying legislation "cleared" for consideration, and virtually impossible to add even simple language as a "rider" amendment to another piece of legislation moving through the process. If a "door" is opened to one area, there will be dozens of others seeking similar openings, so the approach is generally to prohibit any and all. Those are just the harsh realities of where we are in the process right now; early next year, however, there will be more of an opportunity to work on focused legislation, where needed, to help NASA move forward. It will be a slightly different and unknown environment to begin with in the new Congress, so difficult to make any predictions, but I for one am optimistic about NASA's prospects. They've already come a LONG way from where they stood at the beginning of this year!
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« Reply #399 on: 12/18/2010 01:33 am »
So just to clarify, 51 is it currently the case that constellation is being funded and not the new HLV and commercial and "the new direction" for NASA?

Or is it simply that the amount of money NASA has to spend is maintained at 2010 levels but they can still change direction internally?

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