Imaging that forthcoming Progress M-15M docking would have success. How do you think if it's teoretically feasibly to make any agreement between Roscosmos and NASA to downmass KURS-NA internal equipment onboard Dragon CRS SpX-1 in case such a need arises to analyse system malfunction?
Quote from: max_schmurz on 07/27/2012 09:08 pmImaging that forthcoming Progress M-15M docking would have success. How do you think if it's teoretically feasibly to make any agreement between Roscosmos and NASA to downmass KURS-NA internal equipment onboard Dragon CRS SpX-1 in case such a need arises to analyse system malfunction?good idea. But since the shuttle is now gone, downmass costs are at a premium. NASA will have to charge 1 million dollars a pound to return the KURS-NA. These costs can be bartered against the 60 million dollar launch costs Roscosmos charges.
Quote from: Prober on 08/01/2012 05:41 pmQuote from: max_schmurz on 07/27/2012 09:08 pmImaging that forthcoming Progress M-15M docking would have success. How do you think if it's teoretically feasibly to make any agreement between Roscosmos and NASA to downmass KURS-NA internal equipment onboard Dragon CRS SpX-1 in case such a need arises to analyse system malfunction?good idea. But since the shuttle is now gone, downmass costs are at a premium. NASA will have to charge 1 million dollars a pound to return the KURS-NA. These costs can be bartered against the 60 million dollar launch costs Roscosmos charges.I thought the Russians regularly returned Progress KURS equipment in Soyuz - is that not the case?
Quote from: Prober on 08/01/2012 05:41 pmQuote from: max_schmurz on 07/27/2012 09:08 pmImaging that forthcoming Progress M-15M docking would have success. How do you think if it's teoretically feasibly to make any agreement between Roscosmos and NASA to downmass KURS-NA internal equipment onboard Dragon CRS SpX-1 in case such a need arises to analyse system malfunction?good idea. But since the shuttle is now gone, downmass costs are at a premium. NASA will have to charge 1 million dollars a pound to return the KURS-NA. These costs can be bartered against the 60 million dollar launch costs Roscosmos charges.The Shuttle is irrelevant. His question was about bringing down the KURS-NA internal equipment in the CRS-1 Dragon."Downmass costs" aren't "at a premium". That doesn't make gramatical sense. With Dragon performing CRS there is a much larger dowmass limit, whose price is already negotiated. edit: It's close to $1K/lb, not $1M. 3000 kg/DragonIt's more valuable than garbage, and bringing it down clears out the volume on the station. The issue is one of resource allocation, whether NASA has reason to give some their limited downmass capacity to the Russian partner, and what NASA has already planned to put into the departing CRS-1 Dragon.
Sorry if the truth hurts
but we do not have the same Downmass system with the shuttle gone. Keep in mind the last shuttle visit was a year ago plus so my statement is correct.
As to the costs those are contractor & NASA agreements.
Russian "Downmass" using a NASA contractor service is open to Negotiation.
(Pre-decisional, For Internal Use, For Reference Only)
Spx-1 is supposed to be visiting as soon as HTV leaves.
Quote from: spectre9 on 08/09/2012 04:17 amSpx-1 is supposed to be visiting as soon as HTV leaves.Not quite - HTV-3 will leave ISS on September 6, but Dragon CRS-1 won't arrive until a month later on October 7.
I'm getting concerned on the lack of info on the flight, I wonder if October 5th is still the planned launch date.
Still two months to go, no news might be good news.
Quote from: Space Pete on 08/09/2012 03:17 pmQuote from: spectre9 on 08/09/2012 04:17 amSpx-1 is supposed to be visiting as soon as HTV leaves.Not quite - HTV-3 will leave ISS on September 6, but Dragon CRS-1 won't arrive until a month later on October 7.Ample time to do the mission without any slips.
Realistically, for a launch on the stated date in October, when do we have to see a capsule at the Cape?
Quote from: zt on 08/14/2012 07:04 amRealistically, for a launch on the stated date in October, when do we have to see a capsule at the Cape?Probable processing steps: (min days: max days)1) Dragon checkout. (7 days: 14days)2) Pack with storable items. (2 days: 5 days)3) Mate to Trunk. (1 day: 2 days)4) Checkout mate. (2 days: 5 days)5) Mate to F9. (1 day: 2 days)6) Checkout complete stack. (2 days: 5 days)7) Move to pad for hot-fire test. ( 2 days: 7 days)7) Complete packing of Dragon with moderately time sensitive items. (1 day: 2 days)8 ) Fuel Dragon. (1 day: 3 days)9) Move F9 stack to pad for launch. (1 hour: 3 hours)10) Late load of final cargo. (2 hours: 5 hours)11) Erect F9 stack. (1 hour: 2 hours)12) Launch. (12 hours: 10 days)Min – 20 daysMax – 46 days + 10 days for launch due to scrubsNote: times are estimates only to show what needs to be done and approximate durations to accomplish.On Dragon arrival, I would say no later than the 1st week in Sept but I would expect last week in Aug, and the Trunk not more than a week later.For schedule padding for processing problems I would expect arrival this week.
4) Checkout mate. (2 days: 5 days)Really? What do they do for two full days if everything goes smoothly?