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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #40 on: 05/29/2023 02:01 am »
Biden, McCarthy reach debt ceiling deal to avoid default:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4023783-debt-ceiling-deal-reached/

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Under the terms of the deal, Republicans agreed to extend the government’s borrowing authority for two years — pushing the threat of default beyond the 2024 elections, as Biden had demanded, according to a source familiar with the agreement.

In return, the White House agreed to freeze — or accept small cuts — in nondefense spending for 2024, which could affect discretionary programs favored by Democrats. Spending in 2025 would be increased by 1 percent, and no caps would apply in 2026 and beyond, the source indicated.
Does nasa get cut by the republican plan?

It's actually a bipartisan plan which was brokered by McCarthy and the President (Republicans will need help from the Democrats in the House and in the Senate for the legislation to pass). Republicans wanted spending frozen to FY22 levels but it was frozen to FY23 levels instead, so it's somewhat of a compromise. Who gets what will be determined during the Appropriations process. But overall discretionary spending is frozen in FY24 to FY23 levels and gets a small 1% increase in FY25.

The result is not that surprising, freezing spending to the FY23 level can be obtained by passing clean CRs, so Democrats and Republicans knew that coming in to these negotiations.
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #41 on: 05/29/2023 02:48 am »
The White House's comments on the deal:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1662660941597622274
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #42 on: 05/30/2023 07:27 am »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1663219113278291973

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This assessment is premature. The cap is on overall non-defense discretionary spending. It will be up to appropriators in the coming months to decide how to allocate that funding. That could soften the blow to NASA and specific programs within the agency—or exacerbate it.


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Meanwhile in the US, politics means NASA will be getting funding frozen next year, and only a 1% increase in 2025. I hope you weren't in any rush to get to the moon.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Artemis funding protected in appropriations, at the expense of other programs. Will be interesting to see how NASA/Nelson play it, especially in the context of China’s lunar plans.

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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #43 on: 05/30/2023 06:04 pm »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1663219113278291973

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This assessment is premature. The cap is on overall non-defense discretionary spending. It will be up to appropriators in the coming months to decide how to allocate that funding. That could soften the blow to NASA and specific programs within the agency—or exacerbate it.


twitter.com/djsnm/status/1663185006020403202

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Meanwhile in the US, politics means NASA will be getting funding frozen next year, and only a 1% increase in 2025. I hope you weren't in any rush to get to the moon.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Artemis funding protected in appropriations, at the expense of other programs. Will be interesting to see how NASA/Nelson play it, especially in the context of China’s lunar plans.

I would be surprised if NASA gets more than other discretionary programs. Having said that, I don't expect significant Artemis cuts.

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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #44 on: 05/30/2023 10:30 pm »
The debt deal bill should pass despite some complaints on both sides. The key vote in the Rules committee is Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and he said that he "anticipate(s) voting for this rule" which means that the House will get to vote on the bill which is expected to pass with bipartisan support.

Massie says he plans to help advance debt limit bill:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4026924-massie-says-he-plans-to-help-advance-debt-limit-bill/

https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1663648204854812674
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #46 on: 06/01/2023 01:29 am »
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #47 on: 06/02/2023 02:57 am »
The debt limit deal has been passed by the Senate 63-36 (it needed 60 votes). It now goes to the President for his signature (he brokered the deal with McCarthy, so he will obviously sign it).

https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1664465134641725445
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #54 on: 06/23/2023 11:14 pm »
Senate Appropriators Adopt FY2024 Spending Caps:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/senate-appropriators-adopt-fy2024-spending-caps/

Quote from: Marcia Smith
The Senate committee will mark up the CJS bill on July 13 after Congress returns from a two-week recess over the July 4th holiday.

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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #55 on: 06/24/2023 12:02 am »
What are the previous years' CJS spending? I want something to compare @SpcPlcyOnline's $69.637 B senate, $58.676 B house figures to.

Edit: https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2024 says FY 23 enacted CJS was $82.4 B so it looks like massive cuts are coming to CJS.
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #56 on: 06/24/2023 01:02 am »
What are the previous years' CJS spending? I want something to compare @SpcPlcyOnline's $69.637 B senate, $58.676 B house figures to.

Edit: https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2024 says FY 23 enacted CJS was $82.4 B so it looks like massive cuts are coming to CJS.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46868/9 is 2 years out of date but shows the general picture of where CJS money goes. In FY22 enacted CJS was $79.1B which was split into $9.9B Department of Commerce, $35.2B Department of Justice, $32.9B Science, and $1.1B Related Agencies. NASA's $24.0B is part of Science. NASA seems less mission critical than most of the other expenditures in CJS so I'm guessing NASA's cut will be at least as big as the CJS average. I'm guessing the CJS cut will be at least the Senate's figure, which is 1 - 69.637/82.4 = 15.5% below FY23. So NASA is probably getting at least a 15% cut.
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #57 on: 06/24/2023 01:58 am »
What are the previous years' CJS spending? I want something to compare @SpcPlcyOnline's $69.637 B senate, $58.676 B house figures to.

Edit: https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2024 says FY 23 enacted CJS was $82.4 B so it looks like massive cuts are coming to CJS.

No it was $75.91B for nondefense CJS discretionary spending.
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FY23%20BILL%20HIGHLIGHTS_CJS1.pdf

But it's confusing because some money gets added back (under pre-agreed adjustments) under the debt deal (i.e. the Fiscal Responsibility Act). So you would have to take these adjustments into account in order to be able to do an apple to apple comparison between FY23 and FY24. I am not sure but I think that the adjustment is about 10% ($772.5B/$704B -1 = 9.7%). So essentially, you get back to FY23 levels for the Senate's FY24 CJS Appropriations numbers (109.7% x $69.637B = $76.39B).

My understanding from what I read is that the budget deal essentially freezes spending to FY23 levels. Democrats in the Senate are essentially using the debt deal numbers as their appropriations numbers where as Republicans in the House think that those numbers are the ceiling, not the floor. Senate Democrats have the upper hand in these negotiations since a CR would only reduce spending by 1%. So I expect that a deal will be negotiated for a 1% cut in discretionary spending because that is the number that you would get under a CR.

Quote from: Government Executive article
The Fiscal Responsibility Act that President Biden signed into law earlier this month after tense negotiations with House Republicans set the top-line funding level for defense at $886 billion and non-defense discretionary spending at $704 billion—though pre-agreed to adjustments will grow the latter number—but lawmakers must still determine how that money will be divided among the 12 bills and for each federal agency.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/06/senate-remains-divided-along-party-lines-it-kicks-fy24-funding-process/387802/
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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #58 on: 06/24/2023 04:34 am »
Quote from: Government Executive article
The Fiscal Responsibility Act that President Biden signed into law earlier this month after tense negotiations with House Republicans set the top-line funding level for defense at $886 billion and non-defense discretionary spending at $704 billion—though pre-agreed to adjustments will grow the latter number—but lawmakers must still determine how that money will be divided among the 12 bills and for each federal agency.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/06/senate-remains-divided-along-party-lines-it-kicks-fy24-funding-process/387802/

From what I've read there are certain categories of spending that are excluded from the caps, https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-05/hr3746_Letter_McCarthy.pdf lists some in footnote 3 and states excluded spending will raise total spending from $1590B to around $1795B. Does anyone have a source for roughly how much of that excluded spending is in CJS?

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Re: FY 2024 NASA Budget (March 9th)
« Reply #59 on: 07/06/2023 01:09 am »
Senate Appropriations Markup FY2024 CJS Bill, Including NASA & NOAA, July 13, 2023, DC:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/events/senate-appropriations-markup-fy2024-cjs-bill-incl-nasa-noaa-july-13-2023-dc/

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