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Offline Vahe231991

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Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« on: 07/08/2021 02:07 am »
Even as the SLS rocket for Artemis 1 nears completion and is only four months away from launch, I thought it would be a good idea to create a new thread for the Artemis 2 and Artemis 3 missions because the SLS rockets for those missions are in their early stages of assembly.

https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1412592175087554564
https://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1412063725964730370
https://mobile.twitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1394755927648227334

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #1 on: 07/08/2021 08:05 am »
I would argue that each of these missions deserves each own discussion thread, having them lumped together is only a temporary solution.
Perhaps Artemis 2 could have it's own thread already, Artemis 3 is probably a bit too far in the future for now though.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #2 on: 07/08/2021 10:25 am »
Created an update thread for EM-2: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54249.new#new

Artemis-III's elements are still in early construction so they arguably can stay in their respective Orion and SLS Development threads for now?
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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #3 on: 07/08/2021 02:02 pm »
I would argue that each of these missions deserves each own discussion thread, having them lumped together is only a temporary solution.
Perhaps Artemis 2 could have it's own thread already, Artemis 3 is probably a bit too far in the future for now though.
A thread regarding Artemis 2 is covered here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54249.new

The best bet is to have this thread discuss only Artemis 3 and other future/proposed Artemis missions.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #4 on: 07/08/2021 05:04 pm »
I'd love to see latest progress on the LH2 tank for Artemis II and weather LH2 tank for Artemis III is still planning on using the original Artemis I tank.
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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #5 on: 07/19/2021 03:22 pm »
A new update regarding construction of the SLS hardware for the Artemis 2 mission:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/07/sls-maf-update-july-2021/

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #6 on: 09/11/2021 01:01 am »
Created an update thread for EM-2: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54249.new#new

Artemis-III's elements are still in early construction so they arguably can stay in their respective Orion and SLS Development threads for now?
An update on fabrication of the components for the Artemis III, including the Orion capsule:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/next-generation-of-orion-spacecraft-in-production-for-future-artemis-missions

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #7 on: 09/23/2021 02:51 pm »
...  Pretty much as we expected, curious though what part of Artemis III would need federal judge?

That's clearly a reference to the Blue Origin / HLS suit, as HLS is integral to Artemis III.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #8 on: 09/23/2021 04:31 pm »
...  Pretty much as we expected, curious though what part of Artemis III would need federal judge?

That's clearly a reference to the Blue Origin / HLS suit, as HLS is integral to Artemis III.

Ah right, forgot about that.
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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #9 on: 09/23/2021 04:33 pm »
If HLS gets held up, Artemis III will likely be something different than the landing. Maybe a lunar orbital flight (with or without gateway).

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #10 on: 09/23/2021 04:50 pm »
If HLS gets held up, Artemis III will likely be something different than the landing. Maybe a lunar orbital flight (with or without gateway).
If the Gateway is deployed and Artemis III is ready to fly and HLS is not, I would expect they would go to the Gateway.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #11 on: 09/24/2021 02:45 pm »
...  Pretty much as we expected, curious though what part of Artemis III would need federal judge?

That's clearly a reference to the Blue Origin / HLS suit, as HLS is integral to Artemis III.

Ah right, forgot about that.
If NASA's Artemis HLS gets held up due to the lawsuit, then by the time an Artemis HLS lands on the Moon, They will find a purely commercial Starship HLS sitting there waiting for them. Elon didn't really care about the Moon, but Jeff has now gotten his attention with the lawsuit.   Funding might be similar to dearMoon.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #12 on: 09/24/2021 09:01 pm »
...  Pretty much as we expected, curious though what part of Artemis III would need federal judge?

That's clearly a reference to the Blue Origin / HLS suit, as HLS is integral to Artemis III.

Ah right, forgot about that.
If NASA's Artemis HLS gets held up due to the lawsuit, then by the time an Artemis HLS lands on the Moon, They will find a purely commercial Starship HLS sitting there waiting for them. Elon didn't really care about the Moon, but Jeff has now gotten his attention with the lawsuit.   Funding might be similar to dearMoon.

Except as you stated, SpaceX wasn't interested in the moon.  I don't see them developing Lunar Starship without NASA contract.
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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #13 on: 09/24/2021 11:53 pm »
...  Pretty much as we expected, curious though what part of Artemis III would need federal judge?

That's clearly a reference to the Blue Origin / HLS suit, as HLS is integral to Artemis III.

Ah right, forgot about that.
If NASA's Artemis HLS gets held up due to the lawsuit, then by the time an Artemis HLS lands on the Moon, They will find a purely commercial Starship HLS sitting there waiting for them. Elon didn't really care about the Moon, but Jeff has now gotten his attention with the lawsuit.   Funding might be similar to dearMoon.

Except as you stated, SpaceX wasn't interested in the moon.  I don't see them developing Lunar Starship without NASA contract.

SpaceX started their HLS project in late 2018 (start of initial contract proposal effort), and I doubt they stopped work for the GAO protest or for the lawsuit as that is inconsistent with their corporate philosophy. I base this on how they continue to build in Boca even while the environmental review is ongoing, and on Tesla's Factory developments in Germany, Texas, and Fremont in advance of final approvals (different company, same philosophy).  A NASA "stop work order" stops NASA. It doesn't stop SpaceX if SpaceX wants to spend their own money. When I said "Jeff got Elon's attention" I meant that Elon may decide to retaliate against Jeff by starting up a lunar landing space tourism service. It's clear that SpaceX is already doing space tourism (Inspiration 4) and that they intend to do more using Starship (dearMoon), and Starship will dramatically reduce the per-seat cost, driving Blue and Virgin out of the business.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #14 on: 10/10/2021 03:58 am »
A new link regarding the latest progress in the fabrication of components for the Artemis 2, Artemis 3, and Artemis 4 missions:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/10/orion-update-oct-2021/

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #17 on: 01/18/2022 05:24 pm »
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1483459973027926016

Note that the Astrobotic Peregrine flight was originally supposed to be the first CLPS flight, but will launch on Vulcan Centaur. Depending on who is commenting, the payload is delayed or the Vulcan is delayed. With no inside information, I'm willing to believe that both are delayed.

In the mean time Intuitive Machines' little Nova-C lander is being lauched on an F9 and is now planned to be the first CLPS flight. Hope it works. As far as I know, the last US unmanned lander to reach the Moon was Surveyor 7, in 1968.

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Re: Artemis 2 & 3 discussion thread
« Reply #18 on: 01/18/2022 05:33 pm »
'As far as I know...'

You are correct!  Also, the last robotic lunar lander before the modern era was Luna 24 in 1976.  Since then we have had Chandrayaan 2's Vikram lander crash and SpaceIL's Beresheet crash, but all 3 Chinese landing attempts succeed.

This year will be busy. 

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