Quote from: RocketmanUS on 04/02/2013 06:22 amI don't like what was in that article.Shutting down the public beach even on a weekend or holiday if SpaceX needs to launch that day do to possible loss. They should find a better way to launch from their other two sites if they are only looking at 12 launches a year.If they did get the bill passed, who is to say they will not push for more launches after that and the beach would be close more often? Just how much notice would the public get on the time and date of such a beach closer. From the web it says that they have weddings there at the beach. If a wedding is scheduled first but SpaceX later has a slip and is found they need to launch on someones wedding day , why should the couple have to forgo the wedding plans? If SpaceX had to reschedule a launch then they should have planned for that better , instead of having to have a launch on a weekend or holiday. Very poor bill in my opinion. All side to this should reconsider and only have launches on weekdays that are not peek usage of the beach.To me this bill is totally wrong.I agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?
I don't like what was in that article.Shutting down the public beach even on a weekend or holiday if SpaceX needs to launch that day do to possible loss. They should find a better way to launch from their other two sites if they are only looking at 12 launches a year.If they did get the bill passed, who is to say they will not push for more launches after that and the beach would be close more often? Just how much notice would the public get on the time and date of such a beach closer. From the web it says that they have weddings there at the beach. If a wedding is scheduled first but SpaceX later has a slip and is found they need to launch on someones wedding day , why should the couple have to forgo the wedding plans? If SpaceX had to reschedule a launch then they should have planned for that better , instead of having to have a launch on a weekend or holiday. Very poor bill in my opinion. All side to this should reconsider and only have launches on weekdays that are not peek usage of the beach.To me this bill is totally wrong.
Quote from: malu5531 on 04/02/2013 09:30 amTo quote Spock; "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". The capability for SpaceX to launch on weekends or holidays (if absolutely necessary) is of interest to all of mankind ("the many"), since the purpose of SpaceX is about furthering the goal of making mankind a multi-planetary species (Elon has said so multiple times). While taking a swim or having a wedding is of interest to those involved in that activity ("the few"). Totally wrong. Your view is not the consensus of the population. Both in closing beaches and in making mankind a multi-planetary species
To quote Spock; "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". The capability for SpaceX to launch on weekends or holidays (if absolutely necessary) is of interest to all of mankind ("the many"), since the purpose of SpaceX is about furthering the goal of making mankind a multi-planetary species (Elon has said so multiple times). While taking a swim or having a wedding is of interest to those involved in that activity ("the few").
Quote from: Jim on 04/02/2013 04:18 pmQuote from: malu5531 on 04/02/2013 09:30 amTo quote Spock; "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". The capability for SpaceX to launch on weekends or holidays (if absolutely necessary) is of interest to all of mankind ("the many"), since the purpose of SpaceX is about furthering the goal of making mankind a multi-planetary species (Elon has said so multiple times). While taking a swim or having a wedding is of interest to those involved in that activity ("the few"). Totally wrong. Your view is not the consensus of the population.Na, he's right. It's just that no one actually sees it that way... (he's right about the IMPORTANCE... you're right about the CONSENSUS)
Quote from: malu5531 on 04/02/2013 09:30 amTo quote Spock; "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". The capability for SpaceX to launch on weekends or holidays (if absolutely necessary) is of interest to all of mankind ("the many"), since the purpose of SpaceX is about furthering the goal of making mankind a multi-planetary species (Elon has said so multiple times). While taking a swim or having a wedding is of interest to those involved in that activity ("the few"). Totally wrong. Your view is not the consensus of the population.
Quote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 03:06 pmQuote from: RocketmanUS on 04/02/2013 06:22 amI don't like what was in that article.Shutting down the public beach even on a weekend or holiday if SpaceX needs to launch that day do to possible loss. They should find a better way to launch from their other two sites if they are only looking at 12 launches a year.If they did get the bill passed, who is to say they will not push for more launches after that and the beach would be close more often? Just how much notice would the public get on the time and date of such a beach closer. From the web it says that they have weddings there at the beach. If a wedding is scheduled first but SpaceX later has a slip and is found they need to launch on someones wedding day , why should the couple have to forgo the wedding plans? If SpaceX had to reschedule a launch then they should have planned for that better , instead of having to have a launch on a weekend or holiday. Very poor bill in my opinion. All side to this should reconsider and only have launches on weekdays that are not peek usage of the beach.To me this bill is totally wrong.I agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?Indeed. Look at Google maps - So many beaches in the area. Yet RocketmanUS seems to be under the impression that SpaceX wants to shut down every beach in Texas during its launches.
Quote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 03:06 pmI agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?Indeed. Look at Google maps - So many beaches in the area. Yet RocketmanUS seems to be under the impression that SpaceX wants to shut down every beach in Texas during its launches.
I agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?
South Padre Island isn't just a beach; it's a resort community that could be severely impacted if the beaches get shut down on the wrong day (Memorial Day, July 4, etc.).
Quote from: Lars_J on 04/02/2013 05:02 pmQuote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 03:06 pmI agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?Indeed. Look at Google maps - So many beaches in the area. Yet RocketmanUS seems to be under the impression that SpaceX wants to shut down every beach in Texas during its launches.Forgot my sarcasm flags, sorry....
Quote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 06:42 pmQuote from: Lars_J on 04/02/2013 05:02 pmQuote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 03:06 pmI agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?Indeed. Look at Google maps - So many beaches in the area. Yet RocketmanUS seems to be under the impression that SpaceX wants to shut down every beach in Texas during its launches.Forgot my sarcasm flags, sorry....Perhaps your reading glasses too. I saw your sarcasm and agreed with you.
Quote from: Lars_J on 04/02/2013 07:59 pmQuote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 06:42 pmQuote from: Lars_J on 04/02/2013 05:02 pmQuote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 03:06 pmI agree. Because there are so MANY launch sites in the world, and so FEW beaches. SpaceX should just go to another launch site a few miles down the road instead of people wanting to use the beach having to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to find another one.Er wait, did I get that backward?Indeed. Look at Google maps - So many beaches in the area. Yet RocketmanUS seems to be under the impression that SpaceX wants to shut down every beach in Texas during its launches.Forgot my sarcasm flags, sorry....Perhaps your reading glasses too. I saw your sarcasm and agreed with you.Quite.In an ideal world SpaceX would be so rich they could buy up enough land (including beaches) that it would not be an issue, no public land would be close enough that it needed to be closed.But in an imperfect world, seems to me that reasonable compromises are being offered... some public notice and planning in advance of every date, and except for very extenuating circumstances, enough blackout dates that no holiday weekends are impacted.If volume gets to the point where it's a problem, renegotiate.This just doesn't seem like the biggest problem facing this site. And, as anti government as I am in general, the TX government seems to have been pretty reasonable here.
Quote from: Lar on 04/02/2013 08:16 pmIn an ideal world SpaceX would be so rich they could buy up enough land (including beaches) that it would not be an issue, no public land would be close enough that it needed to be closed.It's impossible to buy beachland in Texas, due to the Texas Open Beaches Act.
In an ideal world SpaceX would be so rich they could buy up enough land (including beaches) that it would not be an issue, no public land would be close enough that it needed to be closed.
I wonder, since TX auto dealerships are fighting Tesla Motors, if Elon will use SpaceX as leverage on the legislature to swat the Dealers down? Elon is calling for a rally in Austin, but it seems he could threaten TX spaceport if he does not get his Tesla way. He will be in town. Or is that illegal, leaving ethics and cronyism aside.
Here is part of the press release on Elon's Tesla announcement today. It's at http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/media-advisory-journalists-analysts-and-investorsPALO ALTO, Calif.-- Tesla Motors, Inc. will hold a conference call on April 2, 2013 at 2:00pm Pacific Standard Time (5:00pm Eastern Standard Time) for media, analysts and investors to make an announcement. Following remarks from Elon Musk, Tesla Motors co-founder and CEO, media and analysts are invited to participate in a question and answer session.What: Tesla Motors, Inc. Announcement When: Tuesday, April 2, 2013Time: 2:00pm Pacific Standard Time / 5:00pm Eastern Standard TimePress Release Will Be Available At: www.teslamotors.com/pressWebcast: ir.teslamotors.com (live and replay)
Quote from: GalacticIntruder on 04/02/2013 08:44 pmI wonder, since TX auto dealerships are fighting Tesla Motors, if Elon will use SpaceX as leverage on the legislature to swat the Dealers down? Elon is calling for a rally in Austin, but it seems he could threaten TX spaceport if he does not get his Tesla way. He will be in town. Or is that illegal, leaving ethics and cronyism aside. It's dirty pool.But perhaps...Quote from: ap12 on 04/02/2013 07:42 pmHere is part of the press release on Elon's Tesla announcement today. It's at http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/media-advisory-journalists-analysts-and-investorsPALO ALTO, Calif.-- Tesla Motors, Inc. will hold a conference call on April 2, 2013 at 2:00pm Pacific Standard Time (5:00pm Eastern Standard Time) for media, analysts and investors to make an announcement. Following remarks from Elon Musk, Tesla Motors co-founder and CEO, media and analysts are invited to participate in a question and answer session.What: Tesla Motors, Inc. Announcement When: Tuesday, April 2, 2013Time: 2:00pm Pacific Standard Time / 5:00pm Eastern Standard TimePress Release Will Be Available At: www.teslamotors.com/pressWebcast: ir.teslamotors.com (live and replay)the announcement in a few minutes is that an accomodation has been reached?