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https://twitter.com/eutelsat_sa/status/1582370784856588289

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👀Spotted on the road by #Eutelsat launch campaign teams in Cape Canaveral: the lower part of the @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket that sent 🛰️ EUTELSAT #HOTBIRD 13F into space last Saturday 15 October! 🚀👋🏽

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https://twitter.com/eutelsat_sa/status/1582370784856588289

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👀Spotted on the road by #Eutelsat launch campaign teams in Cape Canaveral: the lower part of the @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket that sent 🛰️ EUTELSAT #HOTBIRD 13F into space last Saturday 15 October! 🚀👋🏽

That's the Crew-5 booster B1077.

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Yo, Eutelsat: the "lower part" is also called the first stage....

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David Brown has a feature-length article in the New York Times from SpaceX Mission Control during the launch campaigns for Crew-5, Starlink 4-29, and Galaxy 33/34.

31 Hours Inside SpaceX Mission Control
A reporter got an inside look at SpaceXís attempt to launch and land three rockets in less than two days in October, part of the companyís bid to make spaceflight appear almost routine.

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I wonder if weíll get to see a picture of Crew-5 Dragon with a Soyuz seat in it?

twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1613536699103023108

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A few more Soyuz details: The new Soyuz (MS-23) will dock to ISS on February 22. In the interim NASA will move Frank Rubio's Soyuz seat to the Crew-5 Dragon in case an emergency exit is needed. Current plan is for the two Russians to return on Soyuz MS-22 in such an emergency.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1613537122203439107

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Apparently the Russians had the option of moving the additional two Soyuz seats to Crew-5 (again, only for the unlikely event of an emergency return until Feb 22). However, mostly for political reasons, they chose to keep the cosmonaut seats on board Soyuz MS-22.

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Since Dragon 2 was reconfigured for 4-crew in lieu of 7 at NASA's direction, did that work preclude putting 3 seats back in for emergencies? Here's the original configuration. How does this compare with the currect configuration?
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I believe his Soyuz seat will literally be mounted inside of Dragon.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1613552173291372545

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Ok, to further clarify this, I'm told its his seat liner.
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I believe his Soyuz seat will literally be mounted inside of Dragon.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1613552173291372545

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Ok, to further clarify this, I'm told its his seat liner.
The liner might make sense. I doubt the seat itself could be passed through the Dragon's port, which as a 0.8 meter diameter.

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None of this makes sense to me. Aside from the proposed Skylab rescue contingency flight, we’ve nearly always been told that bringing back more astro and/or cosmonauts than the number of seats one launched with, is an impossibility.

Whether or not this scenario plays out, I suspect it will remain an interesting footnote in the history of spaceflight contingency planning, and can’t wait to see some depiction of the proposed seating layout in Crew Dragon.

Still, come splashdown, I’d hate to be the guy riding in a seat-liner attached to the floor, instead of a seat designed to absorb shocks. 

Finally, I suspect any returning hitchhiker rides home quietly and in shirtsleeves, as I’m unaware of any way to connect a Russian suit to the Dragon’s nitrox system, or its comms.

They must really be desperate if this is the current contingency plan.
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As I understand it, the plan (as of 2022-01-15) is now to extend the stay on the ISS of the Russian crew scheduled to return on Soyuz MS-22, deorbit MS-22, and launch the next scheduled Soyuz early for the crew to return to the ground in.
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As I understand it, the plan (as of 2022-01-15) is now to extend the stay on the ISS of the Russian crew scheduled to return on Soyuz MS-22, deorbit MS-22, and launch the next scheduled Soyuz early for the crew to return to the ground in.

Right, but with the order reversed, with MS-22 deorbited about two weeks *after* MS-23 arrives.
MS-22 still offers a less-than-ideal lifeboat for two (Prokopyev & Petelin), plus they plan to transfer equipment (seat liners, personal effects, and survival gear) directly from MS-22 to MS-23 after MS-23's upmass cargo is removed and before MS-22's downmass cargo in loaded.

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Finally, I suspect any returning hitchhiker rides home quietly and in shirtsleeves, as Iím unaware of any way to connect a Russian suit to the Dragonís nitrox system, or its comms.
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Right.  During the presser Joel Montalbano said they were not considering transferring Rubio's Sokol IVA suit from MS-22 to Crew Dragon Endurance.

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Liner has been moved:

NASA Astronauts Complete Seat Liner Move


Mark Garcia Posted on January 18, 2023

On Jan. 17, NASA Flight Engineer Josh Cassada, with assistance from NASA Flight Engineer Nicole Mann, worked inside the SpaceX Dragon Endurance crew ship collecting tools and readying the spacecraft for a seat liner move. The seat liner move, completed today, Jan. 18, ensures NASA Flight Engineer Frank Rubio will be able to return to Earth in the unlikely event of an emergency evacuation from the International Space Station. Rubio originally launched to the station with cosmonauts Sergey Prokopyev and Dmitri Petelin aboard the Soyuz MS-22 crew ship on Sept. 21, 2022. The change allows for increased crew protection by reducing the heat load inside the MS-22 spacecraft for Prokopyev and Petelin in case of an emergency return to Earth.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2023/01/18/nasa-astronauts-complete-seat-liner-move/

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https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1628178332381761536

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SpaceX's Bill Gerstenmaier says they did an inspection of the Crew-5 Dragon docked to the station, with no signs of damage. Such inspections, once a "nice to have", are now an official flight rule. Crew Dragon also has redundant radiator loops.

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Since Dragon 2 was reconfigured for 4-crew in lieu of 7 at NASA's direction, did that work preclude putting 3 seats back in for emergencies? Here's the original configuration. How does this compare with the currect configuration?

AIUI the upper row of four seats needed to be shifted to reduce g loads on the crew during splashdown, and moving the seats meant there was no longer physically room for the lower row of three. I presume that there is some additional cargo / stowage space where the three seats would have been. I also assume that there are no longer mounting points for the lower row of three seats.

This would mean there would need to be some significant modification to the interior layout to permit the lower three seats to be installed in the Dragon, and there would be increased g loads on the crew. There'd also be less cargo / stowage space on the Dragon.
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https://twitter.com/spcplcyonline/status/1630346540551135233

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NASA is going ahead with Wednesday's (March 1) news conference with the on-orbit Crew-5 crew about their return home even though the Crew-6 launch was delayed. 12:30 pm ET.  NASA TV, NASA app, NASA Live.

https://t.co/OfFsnihwLo

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NGA "Space Debris" notice.

Quote from: NGA
190610Z FEB 23
NAVAREA IV 218/23(11).
GULF OF MEXICO.
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   IN AREAS WITHIN NINE MILES OF:
   A. CAPE 28-51.00N 080-13.80W.
      070330Z TO 070400Z, 071200Z TO 071230Z,
      080310Z TO 080340Z, 081130Z TO 081200Z,
      081135Z TO 081205Z, 090245Z TO 090315Z,
      091110Z TO 091140Z, 100220Z TO 100250Z
      AND 101045Z TO 101115Z MAR.
   B. DAYTONA 29-48.00N 080-40.02W.
      070340Z TO 070410Z, 071155Z TO 071225Z,
      080315Z TO 080345Z, 081130Z TO 081200Z,
      081135Z TO 081205Z, 090250Z TO 090320Z,
      090255Z TO 090325Z, 091105Z TO 091135Z,
      091110Z TO 091140Z, 100225Z TO 100255Z
      AND 101045Z TO 101115Z MAR.
   C. JACKSONVILLE 30-54.95N 080-15.00W.
      070340Z TO 070410Z, 071150Z TO 071220Z,
      080320Z TO 080350Z, 081125Z TO 081155Z,
      090255Z TO 090325Z, 091100Z TO 091130Z,
      091105Z TO 091135Z, 100230Z TO 090300Z
      AND 101035Z TO 101105Z MAR.
   D. PANAMA CITY 29-42.97N 086-10.95W.
      061240Z TO 061310Z, 070400Z TO 070430Z,
      071220Z TO 071250Z, 080335Z TO 080405Z,
      081150Z TO 081220Z, 090310Z TO 090340Z,
      091130Z TO 091200Z, 100250Z TO 100320Z,
      101105Z TO 101135Z AND
      101110Z TO 101140Z MAR.
   E. PENSACOLA 29-48.00N 087-30.00W.
      061245Z TO 061315Z, 070405Z TO 070435Z,
      071225Z TO 071255Z, 080340Z TO 080410Z,
      081155Z TO 081225Z, 081200Z TO 081230Z,
      090315Z TO 090345Z, 090320Z TO 090350Z,
      091135Z TO 091205Z, 100255Z TO 100325Z
      AND 101110Z TO 101140Z MAR.
   F. TALLAHASSEE 29-16.97N 084-12.00W.
      061235Z TO 061305Z, 070350Z TO 070420Z,
      071210Z TO 071240Z, 080325Z TO 080355Z,
      081145Z TO 081215Z, 081150Z TO 081220Z,
      090300Z TO 090330Z, 091125Z TO 091155Z,
      100240Z TO 100310Z AND
      101100Z TO 101130Z MAR.
   G. TAMPA 28-06.00N 083-54.00W.
      061240Z TO 061310Z, 070345Z TO 070415Z,
      071215Z TO 071245Z, 080320Z TO 080350Z,
      081150Z TO 081220Z, 090255Z TO 090325Z,
      090300Z TO 090330Z, 091125Z TO 091155Z,
      091130Z TO 091200Z, 100230Z TO 100300Z,
      100235Z TO 100305Z AND
      101105Z TO 101135Z MAR.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 101240Z MAR 23.//

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New cancel-and-replace NGA "Space Debris" notice.  Now NET March 10 for Pensacola and NET March 11 for all other locations.

Quote from: NGA
010123Z MAR 23
NAVAREA IV 220/23(11).
GULF OF MEXICO.
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   IN AREAS WITHIN NINE MILES OF:
   A. CAPE 28-51.00N 080-13.80W.
      110200Z TO 110230Z, 111025Z TO 111055Z,
      120135Z TO 120205Z, 121000Z TO 121030Z,
      130110Z TO 130140Z, 130115Z TO 130145Z,
      130935Z TO 131005Z, 140045Z TO 140115Z,
      140050Z TO 140120Z, 140915Z TO 140945Z,
      150025Z TO 150055Z AND 150850Z TO 150920Z MAR.
   B. DAYTONA 29-48.00N 080-40.02W.
      110205Z TO 110235Z, 111020Z TO 111050Z,
      120140Z TO 120210Z, 120955Z TO 121025Z,
      121000Z TO 121030Z, 130115Z TO 130145Z,
      130120Z TO 130150Z, 130935Z TO 131005Z,
      140055Z TO 140125Z, 140910Z TO 140940Z,
      150030Z TO 150100Z AND 150850Z TO 150920Z MAR.
   C. JACKSONVILLE 30-54.95N 080-15.00W.
      110210Z TO 110240Z, 111015Z TO 111045Z,
      120145Z TO 120215Z, 120950Z TO 121020Z,
      130120Z TO 130150Z, 130125Z TO 130155Z,
      130925Z TO 130955Z, 130930Z TO 131000Z,
      140055Z TO 140125Z, 140905Z TO 140935Z,
      150035Z TO 150105Z AND 150840Z TO 150910Z MAR.
   D. PANAMA CITY 29-42.97N 086-10.95W.
      110225Z TO 110255Z, 111045Z TO 111115Z,
      120200Z TO 120230Z, 120205Z TO 120235Z,
      121020Z TO 121050Z, 130140Z TO 130210Z,
      130955Z TO 131025Z, 140115Z TO 140145Z,
      140935Z TO 141005Z, 150050Z TO 150120Z,
      150055Z TO 150125Z AND 150910Z TO 150940Z MAR.
   E. PENSACOLA 29-48.00N 087-30.00W.
      101110Z TO 101140Z, 110230Z TO 110300Z,
      111050Z TO 111120Z, 120205Z TO 120235Z,
      121025Z TO 121055Z, 130145Z TO 130215Z,
      131000Z TO 131030Z, 140120Z TO 140150Z,
      140940Z TO 141010Z, 150055Z TO 150125Z,
      150100Z TO 150130Z AND 150915Z TO 150945Z MAR.
   F. TALLAHASSEE 29-16.97N 084-12.00W.
      110215Z TO 110245Z, 111040Z TO 111110Z,
      120155Z TO 120225Z, 121015Z TO 121045Z,
      130130Z TO 130200Z, 130950Z TO 131020Z,
      140105Z TO 140135Z, 140925Z TO 140955Z,
      140930Z TO 141000Z, 150045Z TO 150115Z,
      150900Z TO 150930Z AND 150905Z TO 150935Z MAR.
   G. TAMPA 28-06.00N 083-54.00W.
      110210Z TO 110240Z, 111045 TO 111115Z,
      120145Z TO 120215Z, 121015Z TO 121045Z,
      130120Z TO 130150Z, 130125Z TO 130155Z,
      130955Z TO 131025Z, 140100Z TO 140130Z,
      140930Z TO 141000Z, 150035Z TO 150105Z,
      150905Z TO 150935Z AND 150910Z TO 150940Z MAR.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 218/23.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 151045Z MAR 23.

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New cancel-and-replace NGA "Space Debris" notice.  Now NET March 10 for Pensacola and NET March 11 for all other locations.

Map from the NGA notice. There are usually seven splashdown areas, but this time there are just seven points.

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New cancel-and-replace NGA "Space Debris" notice.  Now NET March 10 for Pensacola and NET March 11 for all other locations.

Map from the NGA notice. There are usually seven splashdown areas, but this time there are just seven points.

They're circles ...

Quote from: NGA
IN AREAS WITHIN NINE MILES OF:

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They're circles ...

Then dots on the map will have to suffice  :-[

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