Quote from: wannamoonbase on 02/08/2024 03:15 pmQuote from: Zed_Noir on 02/08/2024 01:14 pmQuote from: Vultur on 02/08/2024 12:25 am<snip>According to the Gateway Update Thread, construction on PPE and HALO is fairly far along? https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51452.msg2541132#msg2541132True. But if the integrated vehicle stack is overweight. They will need to reduce the mass somehow. Likely with re-working the internal arrangements and offloading mass to the Dragon XL logistics vehicle and/or the SpaceX HLS lander.I recall that the xenon fuel is refillable. So off loading propellant may also be an option. I believe it was a sizeable load.PPE has both electrical and chemical thrusters, and both the Xenon and the chemical fuel are refillable PPE was supposed to launch with about 2500 kg of fuel. However, it cannot be refilled until someone builds a spacecraft to carry that fuel. Unfortunately, the various redesigns have shifted the refilling concept around quite a bit, so it's hard to know what the current status is unless you are an insider (not me).Apparently, in an early design the PPE was refuelled directly from a refueler. Then PPE was supposed to connect permanently and directly to ESPRIT, and the refueller would connect to ESPRIT. Now, PPE connects to HALO and ESPRIT connects to HALO, and the refueller connects to ESPRIT, and all of this happens in the far future.To get past this mess in the short(?!) term, NASA could contract for a refueller that can connect directly to HALO using the port that will be used for ESPRIT. They could then launch PPE+HALO (almost) dry, and refuel in LEO, and then refuel again in NRHO.I do not know enough about the technology, processes, or politics to have a informed opinion, but my guess is that there is no possible way to get this done in time to be useful. It looks like the ESPRIT team would be best suited for this, but ESPRIT is an ESA project.
Quote from: Zed_Noir on 02/08/2024 01:14 pmQuote from: Vultur on 02/08/2024 12:25 am<snip>According to the Gateway Update Thread, construction on PPE and HALO is fairly far along? https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51452.msg2541132#msg2541132True. But if the integrated vehicle stack is overweight. They will need to reduce the mass somehow. Likely with re-working the internal arrangements and offloading mass to the Dragon XL logistics vehicle and/or the SpaceX HLS lander.I recall that the xenon fuel is refillable. So off loading propellant may also be an option. I believe it was a sizeable load.
Quote from: Vultur on 02/08/2024 12:25 am<snip>According to the Gateway Update Thread, construction on PPE and HALO is fairly far along? https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51452.msg2541132#msg2541132True. But if the integrated vehicle stack is overweight. They will need to reduce the mass somehow. Likely with re-working the internal arrangements and offloading mass to the Dragon XL logistics vehicle and/or the SpaceX HLS lander.
<snip>According to the Gateway Update Thread, construction on PPE and HALO is fairly far along? https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51452.msg2541132#msg2541132
Quote from: DanClemmensen on 02/06/2024 03:01 pmQuote from: Jim on 02/06/2024 02:54 pmQuote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/06/2024 07:50 amCan SpaceX launch ppe/halo from SLC-6?¿‽¿?The processing facilities can't handle it.Yep. It will take awhile to convert slc-6. From a ref in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandenberg_Space_Launch_Complex_6#SpaceX_(from_2023)"SpaceX expects to begin Falcon 9 launches from SLC-6 in 2025 and Falcon Heavy launches in 2026". that doesn't seem an issue ppe/halo launch will slip to 2028-30 due to Artemis delays and no demo modules construction even. Issue is why can't the vandy facilities handle? This saves SpaceX money for additional vif tower. Also tell the delta v needed to reach near equatorial earth orbit of Moon from a Polar or 52 inclination orbit from vandy. Alternatively, lay down pad 39a rails till nasa's vab near sls vab that is leased to SpaceX for Starship. And roll Transporter erector vertically that I doubt it can move vertically as it rolls horizontally
Quote from: Jim on 02/06/2024 02:54 pmQuote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/06/2024 07:50 amCan SpaceX launch ppe/halo from SLC-6?¿‽¿?The processing facilities can't handle it.Yep. It will take awhile to convert slc-6. From a ref in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandenberg_Space_Launch_Complex_6#SpaceX_(from_2023)"SpaceX expects to begin Falcon 9 launches from SLC-6 in 2025 and Falcon Heavy launches in 2026".
Quote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/06/2024 07:50 amCan SpaceX launch ppe/halo from SLC-6?¿‽¿?The processing facilities can't handle it.
Can SpaceX launch ppe/halo from SLC-6?¿‽¿?
Quote from: DanClemmensen on 02/08/2024 03:18 pmSurely they have already done the simplest mass reductions? The most obvious reduction (as seen from the outside by this uneducated observer) is to replace the PPE-to-HALO docking systems on both spacecraft with a fixed connection. There is no docking systems. The decision to fly HALO PPE together was done before PDR of either system.
Surely they have already done the simplest mass reductions? The most obvious reduction (as seen from the outside by this uneducated observer) is to replace the PPE-to-HALO docking systems on both spacecraft with a fixed connection.
Quote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/07/2024 11:25 amQuote from: DanClemmensen on 02/06/2024 03:01 pmQuote from: Jim on 02/06/2024 02:54 pmQuote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/06/2024 07:50 amCan SpaceX launch ppe/halo from SLC-6?¿‽¿?The processing facilities can't handle it.Yep. It will take awhile to convert slc-6. From a ref in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandenberg_Space_Launch_Complex_6#SpaceX_(from_2023)"SpaceX expects to begin Falcon 9 launches from SLC-6 in 2025 and Falcon Heavy launches in 2026". that doesn't seem an issue ppe/halo launch will slip to 2028-30 due to Artemis delays and no demo modules construction even. Issue is why can't the vandy facilities handle? This saves SpaceX money for additional vif tower. Also tell the delta v needed to reach near equatorial earth orbit of Moon from a Polar or 52 inclination orbit from vandy. Alternatively, lay down pad 39a rails till nasa's vab near sls vab that is leased to SpaceX for Starship. And roll Transporter erector vertically that I doubt it can move vertically as it rolls horizontallyPPE/HALO is planned to integrate horizontally with Falcon Heavy. The processing facilities Jim is referring to are for payload processing - the complete vehicle is too big to transport, so the various pieces are being assembled at the cape. And launching from VAFB would further cut into the already-tight performance margins, due to the higher inclination.
Quote from: lrk on 02/09/2024 03:38 amQuote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/07/2024 11:25 amQuote from: DanClemmensen on 02/06/2024 03:01 pmQuote from: Jim on 02/06/2024 02:54 pmQuote from: Chinakpradhan on 02/06/2024 07:50 amCan SpaceX launch ppe/halo from SLC-6?¿‽¿?The processing facilities can't handle it.Yep. It will take awhile to convert slc-6. From a ref in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandenberg_Space_Launch_Complex_6#SpaceX_(from_2023)"SpaceX expects to begin Falcon 9 launches from SLC-6 in 2025 and Falcon Heavy launches in 2026". that doesn't seem an issue ppe/halo launch will slip to 2028-30 due to Artemis delays and no demo modules construction even. Issue is why can't the vandy facilities handle? This saves SpaceX money for additional vif tower. Also tell the delta v needed to reach near equatorial earth orbit of Moon from a Polar or 52 inclination orbit from vandy. Alternatively, lay down pad 39a rails till nasa's vab near sls vab that is leased to SpaceX for Starship. And roll Transporter erector vertically that I doubt it can move vertically as it rolls horizontallyPPE/HALO is planned to integrate horizontally with Falcon Heavy. The processing facilities Jim is referring to are for payload processing - the complete vehicle is too big to transport, so the various pieces are being assembled at the cape. And launching from VAFB would further cut into the already-tight performance margins, due to the higher inclination. I mean what ppe/halo can be integrated horizontally. Aiiiiah wait a minuteOk just remembered that nauka type jumbo module was integrated horizontally. I assumed falsely that long fairing means you need VIF
In the teleconference that was mainly about Artemis crew mission delays, at around 31m 30s, there was a comment that the schedule for PPE+HALO would be updated.Had previously planned launch for October 2025. Now under review. "We will be updating that schedule here as well." That was January 9. Should we be expecting an update around February 9, or is that unrealistic?youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVa0z5kZAk
The President's budget request shows the launch in 2026
Quote from: sdsds on 03/11/2024 10:36 pmThe President's budget request shows the launch in 2026In Fiscal Year 2026. So no change from the latest schedules.
Gateway Initial Capability includes the Power and Propulsion Element (PPE), the Habitation and Logistics Outpost (HALO), the commercial launch vehicle for initial launch, and a portion of Program Mission Execution (PME).The proposed funding levels sufficiently allow the program to support development of Gateway's Initial Capability as soon as is technically feasible. While the confirmation baseline launch readiness date is December 2027, NASA is re-assessing the Gateway Initial Capability work-to launch date, which currently is targeted for no earlier than (NET) October 2025.Milestone: Initial Capability LRDConfirmation Baseline Date: Dec 2027FY 2025 PB Request: Dec 2027
The Gateway space station’s HALO (Habitation and Logistics Outpost), one of four modules where astronauts will live, conduct science, and prepare for lunar surface missions, is a step closer to launch following welding completion in Turin, Italy, a milestone highlighted by NASA earlier this year.Teams at Thales Alenia Space gently guide HALO to a new location in the company’s facility for a series of stress tests to ensure the module’s safety. Upon successful completion, the future home for astronauts will travel to Gilbert, Arizona, where Northrop Grumman will complete final outfitting ahead of launch to lunar orbit with Gateway’s Power and Propulsion Element.
GAO: Assessments of Major ProjectsJune 2024[...]Cost and Schedule Status[...]The HALO project is working with its contractor, the PPE project, NASA, and its international partners to update its internal project schedule. Program officials stated the comanifested vehicle needs to launch at least a year before the September 2028 Artemis IV mission to allow time for the vehicle to transit from Earth to the moon and prepare for docking. Therefore, NASA would need to integrate the HALO and the PPE and launch them by September 2027 to support the mission. Program officials said they plan to work to a more aggressive internal launch date than the baseline launch date but have not yet determined this new date. [...]
Gateway’s HALO (Habitation and Logistics Outpost) successfully completed static load testing, a rigorous stress test of how well the structure responds to the forces encountered in deep space. Thales Alenia Space, subcontractor to Northrop Grumman, conducted the testing in Turin, Italy. Static load testing is one of the major environmental stress tests HALO will undergo, and once all phases of testing are complete, the module will be ready to move from Italy to Gilbert, Arizona, where Northrop Grumman will complete final outfitting.
Gateway’s Power and Propulsion Element, which will make the lunar space station the most powerful solar electric spacecraft ever flown, recently received the xenon and liquid fuel tanks for its journey to and around the Moon.Technicians in Palo Alto, California carefully install a piece of equipment that will house the tanks. Once fully assembled and launched to lunar orbit, the Power and Propulsion Element’s roll-out solar arrays – together about the size of an American football field endzone – will harness the Sun’s energy to energize xenon gas and produce the thrust to get Gateway to the Moon’s orbit where it will await the arrival of its first crew on the Artemis IV mission.
Technicians guide the equipment that will house Gateway’s xenon and liquid fuel tanks in this photo from July 1, 2024. The tanks are part of Gateway’s Power and Propulsion Element, which will make the lunar space station the most powerful solar electric spacecraft ever flown. Once fully assembled and launched to lunar orbit, the Power and Propulsion Element’s roll-out solar arrays will harness the Sun’s energy to energize xenon gas and produce the thrust to get Gateway to the Moon’s orbit where it will await the arrival of its first crew on the Artemis IV mission.
The Gateway HALO module is almost ready to ship to the U.S. from Italy, and thanks to NSF/NASASpaceflight we got a good look at the current state of the primary structure in a Thales Alenia Space media event. (Link below to more NSF coverage of the media event.)
A core component of Gateway, humanity’s first space station around the Moon, is now on American soil and one step closer to launch. In lunar orbit, Gateway will support NASA’s Artemis campaign to return humans to the Moon and chart a path of scientific discovery toward the first crewed missions to Mars.Gateway’s first pressurized module and one of its two foundational elements, HALO (Habitation and Logistics Outpost), arrived in Arizona on April 1. Fresh off a transatlantic journey from Thales Alenia Space in Turin, Italy, the structure will undergo final outfitting at Northrop Grumman’s integration and test facility before being integrated with Gateway’s Power and Propulsion Element at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The pair of modules will launch together on a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket.
Now on U.S. soil, the module will undergo final outfitting by primary contractor Northrop Grumman before it’s integrated with the Power and Propulsion Element at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center. Together, the two modules will launch to lunar orbit aboard a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket ahead of the Artemis IV mission.
Redwire Corporation today announced that it has successfully completed the first deployment test for one of its Roll-Out Solar Arrays (ROSA) for the lunar Gateway’s Power and Propulsion Element (PPE). Powered by PPE and Redwire’s trailblazing ROSAs, the Gateway will represent the pinnacle of solar electric propulsion technology, a key capability not just for future exploration missions to the Moon and Mars, but for national security platforms as well. The Gateway ROSAs will generate an unprecedented 60kW – making these the most powerful ROSAs ever built.[...]Redwire was contracted by Maxar, the prime contractor for PPE, to develop two ROSA wings. The pair of PPE ROSAs will undergo additional testing in the coming months as Redwire prepares to deliver the ROSA wings to Maxar in the fourth quarter of 2025.
Redwire successfully completed the first deployment test for one of its ROSA wings for the lunar Gateway's Power and Propulsion Element. These ROSAs will generate an unprecedented 60kW - the most powerful ROSAs ever built.Redwire is preparing to deliver the pair to Maxar in the fourth quarter of 2025.
In General.--In addition to amounts otherwise available, there is appropriated to the Administration for fiscal year 2025, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, $9,995,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2032, to use as follows:
(2) $2,600,000,000 to meet the requirements of section 20302(a) using the program of record known, as of the date of the enactment of this section, as `Gateway', and as described in section 10811(b)(2)(B)(iv) of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration Authorization Act of 2022 (51 U.S.C. 20302 note; Public Law 117-167), of which not less than $750,000,000 shall be obligated for each of fiscal years 2026, 2027, and 2028.