Quote from: Roy_H on 01/21/2018 08:27 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:31 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmCan SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directlyWhich is why I asked if they could...We are not talking about people to move road blocks, these are people trained to operate sophisticated equipment in government buildings. Access to buildings would be restricted, and skilled workers impossible to come by on short notice.He didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Technically, the answer is probably yes; practically the answer is probably not. If you have a contract, the gov't could expend your contract money to work, but the contracts people won't be working. I've worked with a gov't group that (in previous shutdowns) used money received through FMS (Foreign Military Sales) to keep people working. You just don't have FY18 budgetary funding. If you have prior year money, you can generally spend that, as the Smithsonian said was their plan. Or you can use money received by other means. Depending on their accounting, the range probably could stay open by expending range fees, if those fees are received directly into their accounts and not into more general ones. But if they don't do their accounting that way, or just don't feel like shuffling things there's not anything you can do.
Quote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:31 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmCan SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directlyWhich is why I asked if they could...We are not talking about people to move road blocks, these are people trained to operate sophisticated equipment in government buildings. Access to buildings would be restricted, and skilled workers impossible to come by on short notice.
Quote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:31 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmCan SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directlyWhich is why I asked if they could...
Quote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmCan SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directly
Can SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?
Quote from: IntoTheVoid on 01/21/2018 08:58 pmQuote from: Roy_H on 01/21/2018 08:27 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:31 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmCan SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directlyWhich is why I asked if they could...We are not talking about people to move road blocks, these are people trained to operate sophisticated equipment in government buildings. Access to buildings would be restricted, and skilled workers impossible to come by on short notice.He didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Technically, the answer is probably yes; practically the answer is probably not....Yeah, my bad on the ambiguity. Paying the salaries of the currently furloughed employees so they can work is indeed what I meant.Hopefully the government sorts this out smart quick, but I'm sure someone at SpaceX is thinking about this, should it drag on for a while.
Quote from: Roy_H on 01/21/2018 08:27 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:31 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmCan SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directlyWhich is why I asked if they could...We are not talking about people to move road blocks, these are people trained to operate sophisticated equipment in government buildings. Access to buildings would be restricted, and skilled workers impossible to come by on short notice.He didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Technically, the answer is probably yes; practically the answer is probably not....
FWIW - I have a colleague working as a scientist at NIST that is furloughed now. They are not allowed to work in the field they are trained for at all! Nor maintain communications via email, phone etc. Don't know if this is NIST specific.
He didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.
Quote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmHe didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Does SpaceX pay any fees anytime they launch, WDR or static fires?
welp, they got 2 options, either they continue WDRing ( no range needed), or they rollback and let everybody rest.
Quote from: RocketLover0119 on 01/21/2018 11:02 pmwelp, they got 2 options, either they continue WDRing ( no range needed), or they rollback and let everybody rest.Or continue WDRing until everything looks perfect and then rollback and let some people rest and others get back to removing the RSS.
Quote from: mme on 01/21/2018 11:11 pmQuote from: RocketLover0119 on 01/21/2018 11:02 pmwelp, they got 2 options, either they continue WDRing ( no range needed), or they rollback and let everybody rest.Or continue WDRing until everything looks perfect and then rollback and let some people rest and others get back to removing the RSS.Sounds like what they might do IMO. WDR the crap out of it, then give the poor thing a rest and work on the RSS and do some extreme data studying (New Olympic sport? ).
Quote from: midnightrider3000 on 01/21/2018 09:59 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmHe didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Does SpaceX pay any fees anytime they launch, WDR or static fires?I heard a campaign all in runs about 1.5mil in fees, but I have no source for that, nor any idea if it is more for more attempts, more WDRs etc...
Quote from: Lar on 01/21/2018 10:10 pmQuote from: midnightrider3000 on 01/21/2018 09:59 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmHe didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Does SpaceX pay any fees anytime they launch, WDR or static fires?I heard a campaign all in runs about 1.5mil in fees, but I have no source for that, nor any idea if it is more for more attempts, more WDRs etc...Hang on, if SpaceX is paying fees to the range for their ops, why is the range affected by the shutdown? I thought that if an agency or activity is funded through user fees, it could continue to operate? Is too much of the overall funding of the range not from the commercial operator fees?
Quote from: yokem55 on 01/22/2018 12:58 amQuote from: Lar on 01/21/2018 10:10 pmQuote from: midnightrider3000 on 01/21/2018 09:59 pmQuote from: pb2000 on 01/21/2018 05:30 pmHe didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.Does SpaceX pay any fees anytime they launch, WDR or static fires?I heard a campaign all in runs about 1.5mil in fees, but I have no source for that, nor any idea if it is more for more attempts, more WDRs etc...Hang on, if SpaceX is paying fees to the range for their ops, why is the range affected by the shutdown? I thought that if an agency or activity is funded through user fees, it could continue to operate? Is too much of the overall funding of the range not from the commercial operator fees?User fees only funds an offset and not the greater portion
Lar had an unconfirmed value of 1.5m per launch campaign for commercial launches, so lots(ish) of external money is funding it. The military part of it is much more difficult to quantify and making accurate cost assignments therein is...well *****d if I know.
Quote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:32 pmQuote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 01/21/2018 04:40 pmKeep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads. Not reallyHow long has a DIVH sit on the pad, 9 months? So, you like to live with no contingencies, no backup? Doesn't sound like the AF I've known.
Quote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 01/21/2018 04:40 pmKeep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads. Not really
Keep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads.
Hang on, if SpaceX is paying fees to the range for their ops, why is the range affected by the shutdown? I thought that if an agency or activity is funded through user fees, it could continue to operate? Is too much of the overall funding of the range not from the commercial operator fees?
Quote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 01/21/2018 06:05 pmQuote from: Jim on 01/21/2018 05:32 pmQuote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 01/21/2018 04:40 pmKeep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads. Not reallyHow long has a DIVH sit on the pad, 9 months? So, you like to live with no contingencies, no backup? Doesn't sound like the AF I've known.Not the best of arguments. USAF has been without a backup for Delta IVH since 2005. Why would they be in a rush to have one now?
Quote from: yokem55 on 01/22/2018 12:58 amQuote from: Lar on 01/21/2018 10:10 pmI heard a campaign all in runs about 1.5mil in fees, but I have no source for that, nor any idea if it is more for more attempts, more WDRs etc...Hang on, if SpaceX is paying fees to the range for their ops, why is the range affected by the shutdown? I thought that if an agency or activity is funded through user fees, it could continue to operate? Is too much of the overall funding of the range not from the commercial operator fees?User fees only funds an offset and not the greater portion
Quote from: Lar on 01/21/2018 10:10 pmI heard a campaign all in runs about 1.5mil in fees, but I have no source for that, nor any idea if it is more for more attempts, more WDRs etc...Hang on, if SpaceX is paying fees to the range for their ops, why is the range affected by the shutdown? I thought that if an agency or activity is funded through user fees, it could continue to operate? Is too much of the overall funding of the range not from the commercial operator fees?
I heard a campaign all in runs about 1.5mil in fees, but I have no source for that, nor any idea if it is more for more attempts, more WDRs etc...