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Just adding to the leg speculation. Sorry in advance for the rough renders but just wanted to get the idea out there. The goal was to make sure the legs were completely inside the body. Incorporate the F9 pneumatic extenders. Reinforce the skirt internally to meet up with the forces after deployment. I'm sure it's a flight of fancy, but also thought it would be cool if there was some kind of ranging that could be done on descent such that the legs were already prepositioned at touch down. Again these are working renders just for concept blocking. 
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https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1309437041839611911

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Just a few more of these and then we'll start working on the updated  model!

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Enjoyed the part about the proposed Leg Options. Here is my proposal in the form of a rudimentary animation. (3 - 4 Legs) I'm sure your 3D artist can do much better. I enjoy your shows very much.  Felix, you rock!

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- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John
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- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?
And God said: "Let there be a metric system". And there was the metric system.
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- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?

The point is that that will be the same way in-orbit fueling will work. So why not a common system?
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- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

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but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?

The point is that that will be the same way in-orbit fueling will work. So why not a common system?

You can still do that through the interstage section of Super Heavy. 

I won't be surprised if they use umbilical arms for fuel and oxidizer. 

I fully expect there will be an umbilical arm for a air duct to the payload bay and interstage.  That duct will be pretty big so they won't want to the weight and size penalty of routing that through the vehicle. 

Edit: Gorgeous renders, thank you!
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- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?

The point is that that will be the same way in-orbit fueling will work. So why not a common system?
Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

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Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

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Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
I've never really bought into the belief that the full stack would be fueled/serviced by a single GSE connection.  While minimizing the number interfaces, you've significantly increased the complexity of the SH plumbing system by adding valves to shift flow from one vehicle to another and added the mass of the extra piping and valves, etc.

I would also imagine you'll now need to fuel SH and SS sequentially significantly increasing the length of time needed.

While there are pros and cons to each method, I just cannot see the benefit of having a single GSE connection to the stack - especially at the bottom.  As aesthetically pleasing as it may be.
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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

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Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
I've never really bought into the belief that the full stack would be fueled/serviced by a single GSE connection.  While minimizing the number interfaces, you've significantly increased the complexity of the SH plumbing system by adding valves to shift flow from one vehicle to another and added the mass of the extra piping and valves, etc.

I would also imagine you'll now need to fuel SH and SS sequentially significantly increasing the length of time needed.

While there are pros and cons to each method, I just cannot see the benefit of having a single GSE connection to the stack - especially at the bottom.  As aesthetically pleasing as it may be.

We're off topic here (in this thread). But this is about simplicity of the operations. Connections close to ground level simplify operations. You want simplicity if you want to fly tanker 3 times a day.

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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

Edit - ninja’d by wannamoonbase

Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
I've never really bought into the belief that the full stack would be fueled/serviced by a single GSE connection.  While minimizing the number interfaces, you've significantly increased the complexity of the SH plumbing system by adding valves to shift flow from one vehicle to another and added the mass of the extra piping and valves, etc.

I would also imagine you'll now need to fuel SH and SS sequentially significantly increasing the length of time needed.

While there are pros and cons to each method, I just cannot see the benefit of having a single GSE connection to the stack - especially at the bottom.  As aesthetically pleasing as it may be.

We're off topic here (in this thread). But this is about simplicity of the operations. Connections close to ground level simplify operations. You want simplicity if you want to fly tanker 3 times a day.

You're right. Too much discussion in the render thread. May this crude but symbolic doodle of the first orbital Starship zeroing out its apogee as it falls down to the target altitude and comes up to orbital speed usher a safe return of the thread to pictures of cool CGI renders.

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Great render! The circumferential welds & skin panels will be much smoother in future builds.

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What will the first orbital Starship look like? 

Here is my concept for what we might see during the #SpaceX #Starship presentation latter this month.  Smaller test windows, exterior mounted legs, and a full belly of thermal tiles. 

What do my fellow space fans think?

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Very nice. My only objection is the protruding leg covers on the winward side. They will mess with the hypersonic flow, I guess.

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