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Title: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/08/2019 09:08 pm
A lot of people are creating great renders of the new vehicles, so here's a thread for them to be posted on.

Rules: If you create a render yourself, upload it as normal but note it's yours. If it's someone elses, absolutely make sure you correctly and fully accredit. I'm not totally sure about also attaching it to the post, so I'd say only do that if it's totally required (like how instagram doesn't auto-display like Twitter does).

Resources:

Photos and Updates Only:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47120.0

Discussion Thread 1 (including lots and lots of photos before we started this update only thread):
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47022.0

Discussion Thread 2:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47113.0

L2 SpaceX Boca Chica Photos/Videos Update Thread (now a new standalone thread out of L2 SpaceX Pads and Facilities due to the surge in content):
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47107.0
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 01/08/2019 09:12 pm
My view of the Stainless Steel Starship in orbit.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 01/08/2019 09:19 pm
Kimi Talvitie's 3D model comparison of Starhopper, Starship and Super Heavy:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsYJ8fqBhw8/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BsYJ8fqBhw8/)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/08/2019 09:23 pm
These model images relating hopper to final Starship are great too:

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1082424778810712064

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Put my 3D modeling skills to work and created an image how @SpaceX's finished #StarHopper and #StarShip could look like based on reference images and @elonmusk's tweets. Those things are massive!

@Erdayastronaut thought you might like as well
#bocachica

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1082681606735908865
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: zathermos on 01/08/2019 09:45 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/UkKZ2op.png)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 01/08/2019 10:11 pm
Renders by myself over the last few days as the Starship Hopper took shape.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: HVM on 01/09/2019 10:09 am
(https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42585.0;attach=1535965;image)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: OneSpeed on 01/09/2019 10:21 am
What SpaceX envisioned vs what they got. Personally, I prefer the one on the right. Credit SpaceX and Nomadd.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/09/2019 11:56 am
The first render includes F9 in the mix:

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1082785572568137733

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Have to say I didnt expect this kinda response when I posted the last pictures. Thank you for your support!
I've spent my day pushing new images and models so there is more to come.
#spacex #space #bocachica #starship #starhopper #superheavy @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 01/09/2019 05:01 pm
Mine Starhooper versions
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 01/09/2019 06:13 pm
another view, at altitude
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 01/09/2019 06:54 pm
Mine Starhooper versions

Elon explained that the boxes around the engines are external cargo containers. I don't think the Hopper will have them.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 01/09/2019 08:06 pm
Mine Starhooper versions

Elon explained that the boxes around the engines are external cargo containers. I don't think the Hopper will have them.

They looks good in the 3D-model
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: biosehnsucht on 01/10/2019 05:16 am
It might make sense to have fixed surfaces that match the approximate dimensions of the cargo containers on the hopper for better aerodynamic fidelity though, in case there's any weird differences between having them and not having them affecting engine relights or what have you.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 01/10/2019 08:49 am
It might make sense to have fixed surfaces that match the approximate dimensions of the cargo containers on the hopper for better aerodynamic fidelity though, in case there's any weird differences between having them and not having them affecting engine relights or what have you.

Possible. But in this case the full set of engine bells would seem more important...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tyrred on 01/10/2019 09:10 am
Mine Starhooper versions

Nice illustrative rendering.  Helps me visualize how the 3 Raptor configuration looks like it could provide roll control while minimizing "fin" impingement.  Liking the almost "atlas-esque" reflections on the stainless surfaces.

Also liked the inclusion of the cargo pods ballast at the base.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AC in NC on 01/10/2019 11:47 am
Debating rendering choices really isn't that interesting.  This is a Render thread.

Nice work ace5.  Really appreciate your contribution.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 01/10/2019 01:09 pm
Latest adjustment on the fin shrouds. I've also used the same pose as SpaceX's CGI render of the StarHopper.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: spacenut on 01/10/2019 01:25 pm
I thought two of the fins would be movable.  Doesn't look like it on the Hopper version.   I thought they would test side entry with the Hopper version, since it was supposed to act like a skydiver.   
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 01/10/2019 02:08 pm
I thought two of the fins would be movable.  Doesn't look like it on the Hopper version.   I thought they would test side entry with the Hopper version, since it was supposed to act like a skydiver.

No indication of that in the SpaceX render.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 01/10/2019 04:19 pm
I thought two of the fins would be movable.  Doesn't look like it on the Hopper version.   I thought they would test side entry with the Hopper version, since it was supposed to act like a skydiver.

Not for the hopper. The next version (for high altitude testing) being built in San Pedro will have it.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nomadd on 01/10/2019 04:29 pm
My view of the Stainless Steel Starship in orbit.
It wasn't till I saw the hopper at night I realized what a mirrored spaceship would look like in space. I can't wait for a deep space render with the stars reflecting in the black surface. I'm not sure how you'd even start doing that with a mostly cylindrical mirror.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: starsilk on 01/10/2019 08:07 pm
My view of the Stainless Steel Starship in orbit.
It wasn't till I saw the hopper at night I realized what a mirrored spaceship would look like in space. I can't wait for a deep space render with the stars reflecting in the black surface. I'm not sure how you'd even start doing that with a mostly cylindrical mirror.

raytracing.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 01/10/2019 08:28 pm
My view of the Stainless Steel Starship in orbit.
It wasn't till I saw the hopper at night I realized what a mirrored spaceship would look like in space. I can't wait for a deep space render with the stars reflecting in the black surface. I'm not sure how you'd even start doing that with a mostly cylindrical mirror.

raytracing.

Yeah, rendering technology wise it is not a problem. But it will force artists to put in more effort into making it realistic.

Many artists just slap an image onto an existing background without rendering it properly inside a 3D world or HDR environment. You can get away with doing it the easy way for many things, but not if you render something highly reflective/specular like Starship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 01/10/2019 08:41 pm
One more view (mine) of starhooper
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/12/2019 06:35 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1084170058715283457

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Ask and you shall receive! Here's an image with the mighty #SaturnV compared to the @SpaceX's upcoming #Starship and #Superheavy stack! Really gives a sense of scale how truly massive the rocket will be! 🤯

This and many of my other renders are now also available at my shop!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ludus on 01/12/2019 07:06 pm
Nice Starship renders from Kimi. I’d like to see Starship next to Orion in space. It would be quite a contrast.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/13/2019 12:57 pm
OMG

https://twitter.com/oli_braun/status/1084405475108667393

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A little secret side project that I have been working on :D 1/144th scale. I still have 2 more kits of that available - but due to the backlog, I don't want to put them up the shop just yet.

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/oli_braun/status/1084443262558130177
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aero on 01/13/2019 04:20 pm
I'd like to see a scale model of the Hopper made from tin foil over a frame of whatever. The actual photographs look a lot like tin foil.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 01/13/2019 05:28 pm
I'd like to see it made into a hat so I can wear it...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aero on 01/13/2019 08:13 pm
What - 30 ft. diameter? You've got a pretty big head!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 01/13/2019 10:04 pm
mine, 3d printed
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 01/18/2019 08:33 pm
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rocambole on 01/18/2019 10:57 pm
mine, 3d printed

Very smooth! Which 3D printer do you use?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: cuddihy on 01/19/2019 06:59 am
How are folks getting the smooth shine on 3D printed models? Looks much more reflective than silver paint.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _----_- on 01/19/2019 08:16 am
How are folks getting the smooth shine on 3D printed models? Looks much more reflective than silver paint.

Take a look at Alclad's chrome paint, you need to apply it with an airbrush but it gives a real "liquid metal" finish just like the Hopper. 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/20/2019 08:06 pm
Some great size comparison renders. More in other tweets:

https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1085821672798576640

https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1086783211466883073

https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1086898422748196864
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Cinder on 01/20/2019 08:31 pm
Football fields are just about 50m.  A detailed render of a stainless Starship levitating lengthwise, diorama-like in the middle of a large football stadium would look pretty good, with the nose and tail/legs just overlapping with the goal posts.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: neoforce on 01/20/2019 09:14 pm
Football fields are just about 50m.  A detailed render of a stainless Starship levitating lengthwise, diorama-like in the middle of a large football stadium would look pretty good, with the nose and tail/legs just overlapping with the goal posts.

Pretty sure american Football fields are 120 yards (~110 meters) goal post to goal post.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Cinder on 01/20/2019 10:04 pm
Make that width then  ;D 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: alhenry1231 on 01/24/2019 08:44 pm
Here is my printed Starship Hopper.  With a rough scale full hard cold formed staple person.
1:173 scale
Model: Thingiverse LaB3DP
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3366573
Printer: Monoprice MP Select Mini
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 01/25/2019 07:09 am
https://youtu.be/j7iH9G-araI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/01/2019 05:24 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1091378893062393857

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Sorry for the absent of photos lately, uni is taking most of my time atm.
Managed to squeeze in some #Blender time to do a stylized #render of #Starship though!
Also updated to the shop for hi res prints :)
Tell me how you like them!
#NASA #spacex #space #rocket #starhopper
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 02/13/2019 01:25 am
Gracious I'm late to the game on reading up on LOP-G, ....and wonder about someone rendering up a Starship docked up to LOP-G.
>

Credit Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/9j42ur/bfs_at_lopg_cg/), and the scaling seems iffy, but....
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/01/2019 04:16 pm
Love this, worth looking at full size:

https://twitter.com/cburg_/status/1100834990466711554
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: philw1776 on 03/01/2019 07:38 pm
Love this, worth looking at full size:

https://twitter.com/cburg_/status/1100834990466711554

Nicely artistically done!  Kudos!
Only criticism is...
1) we know that sun on Mars does not look like that 
2) those lamps would be blown away on landing or takeoff
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 03/01/2019 07:56 pm
2) those lamps would be blown away on landing or takeoff

Not necessarily, they could extend into the foundation.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 03/02/2019 01:56 am
Been working on Mars renders as well.
And I'm open to suggestions on improvements!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Stellvia on 03/04/2019 09:54 pm
Credit: Sam Taylor/Solar Exploration Art: https://www.facebook.com/Solarexploration/

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: spacenut on 03/04/2019 10:58 pm
OK, should SpaceX install a GPS system with satellites around Mars?  Same with communication satellites.  Some satellites should be installed between earth and Mars at 90 degrees to the sun for communication when Mars is on the other side of the sun.  Maybe they can get NASA to help pay for this if they want to go to Mars also.  Or maybe other countries or companies for rides to Mars.   
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lar on 03/04/2019 11:47 pm
OK, should SpaceX install a GPS system with satellites around Mars?  Same with communication satellites.  Some satellites should be installed between earth and Mars at 90 degrees to the sun for communication when Mars is on the other side of the sun.  Maybe they can get NASA to help pay for this if they want to go to Mars also.  Or maybe other countries or companies for rides to Mars.   
There's a thread for this topic. Off topic here.  Ask there please.  (your post was quoted there, right after the thread link below)

Here's the thread link.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45483.msg1918334#msg1918334

Thanks Raykados for bringing it to my attention so I could crosslink.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 03/12/2019 11:00 am
(https://scontent-hkg3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54434561_296963824330803_5643234371474292736_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-hkg3-2.xx&oh=2604832780d51785eeae1fcda62034f4&oe=5D1A2F8F)

See https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/16/2019 08:16 am
See https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper

Some fantastic renders there. Think the attached is worth sharing, especially given Elon’s (half-) jokey remark, at the Tesla model Y reveal, about a Tesla on Mars in 10 years.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 03/23/2019 11:00 am
New official render from Elon's presentation in Flint (https://nbc25news.com/news/local/elon-musk-visits-doyle-ryder-elementary-in-flint) (via Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/b4a7zp/new_starship_render_from_elon_presentation_at/)):
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Cheapchips on 03/23/2019 11:29 am
Youtube mirror of Musk's Flint talk.  There's a new SS launch and Mars landing animation around the 15 minute mark.  There's the concept art posted above as well as a few shots of people floating around in front of the window / doing hydroponics.

The video and most pictures are of the carbon fibre SS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3glUGCpnSdc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/26/2019 11:07 am
Good spot Eric, thank you!

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SpaceX’s steel Starship glows during Earth reentry in first high-quality render
By Eric Ralph
Posted on March 26, 2019

SpaceX has silently published the first known detailed render of its new stainless steel Starship’s design on the cover of Popular Mechanic’s April 2019 issue, showing the next-generation orbital spacecraft reentering Earth’s atmosphere in a blaze of glowing metal and plasma

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-official-render/
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: woods170 on 03/26/2019 11:23 am
Bigger version
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: vaporcobra on 03/26/2019 12:35 pm
Bigger version

Here's my best versions after a little work in Photoshop :) The original partial-quality image I 'acquired' was like ~1500x1000 so I upscaled 2X and filled in some of the edges. Bonus slightly higher res Mars entry image, as well.

Per SpaceX's copyright policy, anyone and everyone should feel free to share these, despite that fact that SpaceX itself has only shared them with one outlet (PopMech) in an inaccessible format thus far.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rondaz on 03/26/2019 02:19 pm
Super Heavy Starship Compendium

BY SCR00CHY · PUBLISHED 2019-03-23 · UPDATED 2019-03-25

https://www.elonx.net/super-heavy-starship-compendium/
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/29/2019 08:29 pm
https://twitter.com/cburg_/status/1111726380499300355

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Sorry for the lack of posts recently, been busy with Uni and generally had a lack of motivation to make anything :( Here is my latest render of Starship + Super Heavy waiting in the hangar.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/30/2019 08:14 am
See https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper

Just noticed that Elon has changed his twitter profile picture to a variant (attached) of the render in jpo234’s post.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 03/31/2019 05:33 pm
Saturn V, Starship and the Von Braun 1952 orbital shuttle.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 03/31/2019 09:51 pm
Saturn V, Starship and the Von Braun 1952 orbital shuttle.

Superb!, and you included the legs on SH.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zanzalur on 04/03/2019 07:15 pm
Is this thread specifically for 3D renders or are digital paintings allowed too? I make digital paintings of Starships and i would love to post them on here.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AJW on 04/03/2019 07:28 pm
I'd go with the classic definition of Render, to depict artistically, so digital paintings should be more than welcome.

Looking forward to your posts.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zanzalur on 04/03/2019 08:57 pm
Not the cleanest of renders but here is digital painting i made of Starship arriving at Mars!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 04/06/2019 10:28 am
From Solar Exploration, a web site by Sam Taylor. He’s got a host of really great renders, definitely worth a visit (don’t know the guy, just like the work)

https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/06/2019 09:21 pm
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1114624557694894080
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/29/2019 11:33 am
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1122824422031646720
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/29/2019 11:48 am
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1122829331401601029
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sghill on 04/29/2019 01:37 pm
April 29th Updates: Starship lunar landing

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1122824422031646720


Swoon!!!

Bonestell would be proud! 

I don't think the similarities between Bonestell's famous 1950's painting and today's render are at all unintentional.


edit: I moved this over from the update index thread.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ludus on 04/30/2019 04:01 am
It looks like the Starship on the Moon just dropped off a pallet of cargo and is lowering another from it’s aft lockers.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: enbandi on 04/30/2019 10:46 am
On the latest tweets, StarShip on Moon is labelled 4 and the StarShip on Mars is 1. Have we ever seen this kind of numbering on other renders? What can be the 2 and 3?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/02/2019 02:13 pm
Anti-Grav posts moved here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34036.0
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rondaz on 05/06/2019 06:32 pm
Shiny SpaceX Starship renders by Sam Taylor

Digital artist Sam Taylor has created a pair of shiny render images of SpaceX's stainless steel Starship in space.

MONDAY, MAY 6, 2019

https://www.humanmars.net/2019/05/shiny-spacex-starship-renders-by-sam.html
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/07/2019 12:59 pm
Shiny SpaceX Starship renders by Sam Taylor

Digital artist Sam Taylor has created a pair of shiny render images of SpaceX's stainless steel Starship in space.

MONDAY, MAY 6, 2019

https://www.humanmars.net/2019/05/shiny-spacex-starship-renders-by-sam.html

Here's an image tweeted:

https://twitter.com/human_Mars/status/1125437070208589827
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 05/07/2019 01:15 pm
The RCS ports are a nice touch... I think the "nose retroRCS" should be on the canardpods and an angled down RCS should be on the top half of the nose, to avoid entry plasma, but I'm not a professional and this is a nice referene to ground conversation.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/19/2019 03:11 pm
We’re going to need a bigger flame trench  :)

https://twitter.com/human_mars/status/1130124867909619717

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#SpaceX's Super Heavy #Starship version with additional two side boosters 😃 This was put together by Reddit user LargeMonty from the Starship renders by Finnish 3D artist @KimiTalvitie:
humanmars.net/2019/05/spacex…
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AUricle on 05/19/2019 03:31 pm
Just to lighten things up....Zoom in on the render, it's pretty funny!

*Special thanks to "Racerx708", who actually did the render,
 and to a great group of chat friends who hang out at the @LabPadre live stream of Hopper construction!

https://twitter.com/AUricle/status/1129940616970952704
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/21/2019 05:05 pm
Hard to believe something this big could soon be launching from BC:

https://twitter.com/panagio35127568/status/1130789280010440705

https://twitter.com/panagio35127568/status/1130865894731767809
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mandella on 05/21/2019 05:48 pm
We’re going to need a bigger flame trench  :)

https://twitter.com/human_mars/status/1130124867909619717

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#SpaceX's Super Heavy #Starship version with additional two side boosters 😃 This was put together by Reddit user LargeMonty from the Starship renders by Finnish 3D artist @KimiTalvitie:
humanmars.net/2019/05/spacex…

I mean, why not??

Any idea how much more such a configuration could loft to orbit?

Is there any technical reason why Starship Heavy could not work? Any more than Falcon Heavy that is.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: intelati on 05/21/2019 06:01 pm
I mean, why not??

Any idea how much more such a configuration could loft to orbit?

Is there any technical reason why Starship Heavy could not work? Any more than Falcon Heavy that is.

1. It would have more thrust than any built rocket (N-1 included) by several times. Okay. Superheavy has more thrust than the N-1 first stage by 40%. Three cores of super heavy would be 4x more thrust... Geez. The ground infrastructure required for that amount of thrust would probably be your limiting factor. Hard to design the pad to resist disintegrating on every launch.
2. Would require modifications to the Super Heavy center core.
3. The diminishing returns of the Rocket Equation would probably say that three launches of tankers would get better performance to BLEO.
4. Unless you are sending a nuclear reactor, you don't need more than 100 tons of payload capacity. Especially if the refueling works as advertised. (BFR is able to send that to LEO, refueling is needed to get to orbits past that)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 05/21/2019 09:58 pm
I mean, why not??

Any idea how much more such a configuration could loft to orbit?

Is there any technical reason why Starship Heavy could not work? Any more than Falcon Heavy that is.

For a tri-core Super Heavy. The Center core should be stretch somewhat to increase burn time for core recovery. Along with a bigger Starship that carries more payload.

However it would be a lot easier to build and operated a launch vehicle with a monolithic core with 81+ Raptor engines. So don't expect to see anymore mega tri-core rocket designs in the future.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: WH2OPaddler on 05/22/2019 03:32 pm
Starships.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: niwax on 05/22/2019 04:50 pm
I mean, why not??

Any idea how much more such a configuration could loft to orbit?

Is there any technical reason why Starship Heavy could not work? Any more than Falcon Heavy that is.

For a tri-core Super Heavy. The Center core should be stretch somewhat to increase burn time for core recovery. Along with a bigger Starship that carries more payload.

However it would be a lot easier to build and operated a launch vehicle with a monolithic core with 81+ Raptor engines. So don't expect to see anymore mega tri-core rocket designs in the future.

Operation is the key word here. Starship is currently planned to always RTLS to enable quick turnaround and reduce operational costs. You don't really get much improvement for added cores with RTLS since the cores can only get up to a certain speed and still make it back to land (say 1800m/s) and there is a limit on the amount of mass the upper stage can take from there to orbital velocity (1800m/s -> 7650m/s). For a starship with 85t dry mass, 1100t fuel and 370s isp that maximum is at 190t. You can only get more by increasing staging velocity, at which point you need an ASDS which you might as well use to increase single stick capacity.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 05/22/2019 05:10 pm
I mean, why not??

Any idea how much more such a configuration could loft to orbit?

Is there any technical reason why Starship Heavy could not work? Any more than Falcon Heavy that is.

For a tri-core Super Heavy. The Center core should be stretch somewhat to increase burn time for core recovery. Along with a bigger Starship that carries more payload.

However it would be a lot easier to build and operated a launch vehicle with a monolithic core with 81+ Raptor engines. So don't expect to see anymore mega tri-core rocket designs in the future.

Operation is the key word here. Starship is currently planned to always RTLS to enable quick turnaround and reduce operational costs. You don't really get much improvement for added cores with RTLS since the cores can only get up to a certain speed and still make it back to land (say 1800m/s) and there is a limit on the amount of mass the upper stage can take from there to orbital velocity (1800m/s -> 7650m/s). For a starship with 85t dry mass, 1100t fuel and 370s isp that maximum is at 190t. You can only get more by increasing staging velocity, at which point you need an ASDS which you might as well use to increase single stick capacity.

Tri-core does let them stretch Starship and/or increase the diameter, resulting in more payload. However, I'm not sure how this adds much value over going to a larger single stick design, since with SS/SH there are no constraints like road transport or tooling diameter as there are with Falcon.

This should probably have it's own thread if anyone is interested in continuing the discussion.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zanzalur on 05/23/2019 10:37 am
A digital painting i made of a shiny Starship in the air.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 05/28/2019 01:20 am
Here is my latest rendering of the Spaceship tail with six engines.

At the suggestion of member'Tyrred', I pulled out a number of rendering done over the last few years from my files and arranged them in a vague sort of order on a website.

Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/view/spaceship-renderings/accueil

Let me know if you enjoy seeing them.  I certainly enjoyed making them :-)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Coastal Ron on 05/28/2019 01:56 am
At the suggestion of member'Tyrred', I pulled out a number of rendering done over the last few years from my files and arranged them in a vague sort of order on a website.

Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/view/spaceship-renderings/accueil

Let me know if you enjoy seeing them.  I certainly enjoyed making them :-)

FYI, on your website graphic I'm not seeing the "top" fin on the current Starship render in that chart - the one on the far right.

I see one of the fins that is oriented on the bottom, and I'm assuming because of the way you have the entire stack rotated that we can't see the other fin on the bottom.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tyrred on 05/28/2019 05:40 am
Here is my latest rendering of the Spaceship tail with six engines.

At the suggestion of member'Tyrred', I pulled out a number of rendering done over the last few years from my files and arranged them in a vague sort of order on a website.

Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/view/spaceship-renderings/accueil

Let me know if you enjoy seeing them.  I certainly enjoyed making them :-)

This! ^^^^
Tried to shamelessly plug it earlier but I couldn't find the proper thread...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 05/28/2019 12:41 pm
At the suggestion of member'Tyrred', I pulled out a number of rendering done over the last few years from my files and arranged them in a vague sort of order on a website.

Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/view/spaceship-renderings/accueil

Let me know if you enjoy seeing them.  I certainly enjoyed making them :-)

FYI, on your website graphic I'm not seeing the "top" fin on the current Starship render in that chart - the one on the far right.

I see one of the fins that is oriented on the bottom, and I'm assuming because of the way you have the entire stack rotated that we can't see the other fin on the bottom.
That's because the chart was made two iterations of BFR ago and hasn't been updated.  It's the version with two winglets.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/29/2019 06:47 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1133799571430232065

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Hey @elonmusk how close is this to the new, updated engine design on the #Starship?

Edit to add: Elon's response

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1134013895813713920

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Not bad

Elon then went on to reveal futher flap / leg changes coming ...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/31/2019 05:50 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1134509018075017223

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Three different configs of how #starship's behind could look like on the single stage Earth to Earth version @elonmusk mentioned the other day.
Five, six and seven SLR's and the 3SLR-3Vac version.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 05/31/2019 06:20 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1134509018075017223

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Three different configs of how #starship's behind could look like on the single stage Earth to Earth version @elonmusk mentioned the other day.
Five, six and seven SLR's and the 3SLR-3Vac version.
Not enough engines. At 1300 tonnes / 200 you need at least 7 plus 1 out = 8.  And more for a bit of acceleration
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 05/31/2019 10:51 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1134509018075017223

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Three different configs of how #starship's behind could look like on the single stage Earth to Earth version @elonmusk mentioned the other day.
Five, six and seven SLR's and the 3SLR-3Vac version.
Not enough engines. At 1300 tonnes / 200 you need at least 7 plus 1 out = 8.  And more for a bit of acceleration
I would look at configurations that retain the center-3 cluster for super redundant landing, so maybe 3+6..

And if a stretched ship, 3+9
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/01/2019 01:13 am
3+6 configuration.

There is really a lot of space at the base of Starship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/01/2019 01:14 am
3+6 configuration.

There is really a lot of space at the base of Starship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/01/2019 05:40 pm
Hexagonal tiles!
Lots of work to model!  Wonder if they will actually be used?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lar on 06/01/2019 06:19 pm
Those are very very pretty. At least you don't have to get bored rendering the same thing over and over. Every render's different.  (thanks to all the changes, LOL)


I think what we are seeing here is that this envelope, now that it's been opened up, is quite large and there are a lot of designs and arrangements possible.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 06/01/2019 08:01 pm
3+6 configuration.

There is really a lot of space at the base of Starship.
Breathtaking.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: BigDustyman on 06/01/2019 10:21 pm
I may be off but don't you need more space between raptors for gimballing
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Keldor on 06/01/2019 10:31 pm
3+6 configuration.

There is really a lot of space at the base of Starship.

What about 3+6 sea level ones, plus 3 vacuum where the cargo space is?  Maybe 3 center SL plus 6 quasi-vacuum like the Shuttle had?

I wouldn't think that particular cargo space would be useful for passenger flights.  That close to the engines you're going to have to be careful what you put in any compartments since there's a real potential for sonic damage.  Probably not something you can reasonably expect your passengers to work out when packing suitcases.

If they're worried about fine tuning balance for varying passenger loads, it's easy to add a bit of ballast down there no matter what the engine configuration is.  Either lead weights or water tanks would do the job.  The extra engines would also be ballast.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Keldor on 06/01/2019 10:34 pm
I may be off but don't you need more space between raptors for gimballing

I think the three center ones are supposed to gimbal together as a unit.  For roll, you only need a tiny bit of gimballing, or maybe your cold gas thrusters alone are enough.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oggust on 06/01/2019 10:42 pm
That 3SLR-3Vac version really makes me think of NTRs. ( ☢ )
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lonestriker on 06/01/2019 10:59 pm
I may be off but don't you need more space between raptors for gimballing

I think the three center ones are supposed to gimbal together as a unit.  For roll, you only need a tiny bit of gimballing, or maybe your cold gas thrusters alone are enough.

In an engine-out scenario, where an engine is disabled, not being able to access the full gimbal range could prove fatal.  I'm betting they will have enough space for all three to independently gimbal.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Keldor on 06/01/2019 11:14 pm
I may be off but don't you need more space between raptors for gimballing

I think the three center ones are supposed to gimbal together as a unit.  For roll, you only need a tiny bit of gimballing, or maybe your cold gas thrusters alone are enough.

In an engine-out scenario, where an engine is disabled, not being able to access the full gimbal range could prove fatal.  I'm betting they will have enough space for all three to independently gimbal.

Engine out still doesn't need extra roll gimbal.  And if they're all gimballing together (for instance, mounted on a shared thrust plate), an engine out won't interfere with gimballing.  For nozzle gimballing, I don't believe the engine has to be producing power for the gimbal to work.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/02/2019 02:14 am
Chicago. :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/02/2019 02:45 am
The center of gravity is shifting all the time but the angle for an engine to put the center of thrust in line with the center of gravity doesn't seem too high.
The higher the center of gravity, I.E the closer the ship is too landing, past a certain point in the emptying of the tanks, the less gimbaling will be needed.

Rough on the legs though. Perhaps there will be a final correction just before landing?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 06/02/2019 11:23 am
The center of gravity is shifting all the time but the angle for an engine to put the center of thrust in line with the center of gravity doesn't seem too high.
The higher the center of gravity, I.E the closer the ship is too landing, past a certain point in the emptying of the tanks, the less gimbaling will be needed.

Rough on the legs though. Perhaps there will be a final correction just before landing?
The legs have height compensators at their tips anyway (to accommodate uneven ground) so use those to enable a three-point landing even when tilted, and then use the compensators to un-tilt the ship back to vertical.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rocket Surgeon on 06/02/2019 11:56 am
The center of gravity is shifting all the time but the angle for an engine to put the center of thrust in line with the center of gravity doesn't seem too high.
The higher the center of gravity, I.E the closer the ship is too landing, past a certain point in the emptying of the tanks, the less gimbaling will be needed.

Rough on the legs though. Perhaps there will be a final correction just before landing?

This is the one problem I've had with the three engines not being in line. And it solves my reservations. Thank you!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Stellvia on 06/02/2019 10:47 pm
Credit: Sam Taylor/Solar Exploration Art https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 06/13/2019 08:13 pm
Early flight version of the Starship high over Central America.

Apologies over the scale of the Moon!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/13/2019 09:33 pm
Early flight version of the Starship high over Central America.

Apologies over the scale of the Moon!
Like the stains at the plate joints.  And the blue reflection from the Earth.  However, the composition is a bit ambiguous where the nose of the ship almost meets the curve of the Earth and this makes the whole a bit less clear and dynamic than it could be.

As for the Moon, obviously an effect from the telephoto lense ;-)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 06/13/2019 11:35 pm
Credit: Sam Taylor/Solar Exploration Art https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

Mudd's women?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/15/2019 05:47 am
https://twitter.com/panagio35127568/status/1139677779862142977

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This is the star hopper we deserved 😤👌
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 06/15/2019 03:44 pm
Starting on an Early MArs base.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 06/25/2019 09:59 am
Cargo starship lifting off into the night.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: pobermanns on 06/25/2019 07:42 pm
(https://scontent-hkg3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54434561_296963824330803_5643234371474292736_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-hkg3-2.xx&oh=2604832780d51785eeae1fcda62034f4&oe=5D1A2F8F)

See https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper

Whoa! Dynamite rendering!!!!  8)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brickmack on 07/05/2019 04:38 pm
Gracious I'm late to the game on reading up on LOP-G, ....and wonder about someone rendering up a Starship docked up to LOP-G.
>

Credit Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/9j42ur/bfs_at_lopg_cg/), and the scaling seems iffy, but....

Bit of an old post but I just discovered this thread. The scaling of everything here is accurate to the design of each element at the time I made that (quite a while ago though!), only inaccuracy is the moon wouldn't be that close during most of the orbit. Used Lockheed's PPE bid, the then-baselined combined ESPRIT/augmentation module, the European hab, the Cygnus PCM-derived hab, and the 7.2 meter NASA lab concept (the latter is no longer under serious consideration, but a few weeks before I made this render there was a paper that referenced the possibility of including it for later expansion of Gateway)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/09/2019 05:39 am
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1148452455426023424

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For some fun I just made this to Scale Size Comparison image of Rocinante and the SpaceX Starship.
#SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/16/2019 04:09 pm
Another amazing render by @GravitationInno (see https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: testguy on 07/16/2019 04:47 pm
Great render but somewhat misleading since the two launch vehicles are not to scale.



Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/16/2019 04:51 pm
Great render but somewhat misleading since the two launch vehicles are not to scale.

I believe it’s simply perspective due to the Saturn V bring behind/further back.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AC in NC on 07/16/2019 05:04 pm
Great render but somewhat misleading since the two launch vehicles are not to scale.

I believe it’s simply perspective due to the Saturn V bring behind/further back.

With the disclaimer that nothing here is to take away from a truly amazing and outstanding render.

No ... I don't agree.  There's some perspective but the suggestion is they are closer together that the perspective wouldn't be so different.  A straight non-perspective-skewed comparison would have SS at 162m vs. 110m for Saturn V.

I think you could make the argument Saturn V is on some pad a mile or so back but it seems the implication is they are closer together.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 07/16/2019 05:24 pm
No ... I don't agree.  There's some perspective but the suggestion is they are closer together that the perspective wouldn't be so different.  A straight non-perspective-skewed comparison would have SS at 162m vs. 110m for Saturn V.

162m? Where do you get THAT from?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AC in NC on 07/16/2019 05:41 pm
162m? Where do you get THAT from?

The height of Saturn V in the render is 767px.  SS/SH 1133px.  The ratio multiplied by Saturn V's 110m height would be 162m if those two rendered articles were not skewed by perspective.  They are, but not enough to account for SS/SH only being 118m (ish ... +/- any delta due to possible recent design changes).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 07/16/2019 05:44 pm
162m? Where do you get THAT from?

The height of Saturn V in the render is 767px.  SS/SH 1133px.  The ratio multiplied by Saturn V's 110m height would be 162m if those two rendered articles were not skewed by perspective.  They are, but not enough to account for SS/SH only being 118m.
Looking at the top of the SpaceX tower, there's an awful lot of perspective skew. I could see "Saturn 5 tower is a crawlerway width behind the Starship tower, and Saturn 5 in behind it's own tower."
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AC in NC on 07/16/2019 05:56 pm
The same scaling for the diameter would have SH at 43.5 ft or conversely Saturn V at 25 ft.  Somebody do the calcs on how far back Saturn V would have to be to make 33 ft look like 25 ft.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 07/16/2019 06:37 pm
The same scaling for the diameter would have SH at 43.5 ft or conversely Saturn V at 25 ft.  Somebody do the calcs on how far back Saturn V would have to be to make 33 ft look like 25 ft.
That sounds like a simple 3/4 calculation- the Saturn 4 is 4 (units) away, the starship is 3 (units) away.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 07/17/2019 02:00 pm
HD resolution versions for SpaceX's renders of Starship at Mars Base Alpha and on the Moon from Paul Wooster's presentation: https://www.humanmars.net/2019/07/hd-quality-official-renders-of-spacex.html (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/07/hd-quality-official-renders-of-spacex.html)

https://twitter.com/human_Mars/status/1151488077925425152

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In April @ElonMusk teased 2 new low resolution renders with @SpaceX's #Starship on the Moon and at Mars Base Alpha. Now we have HD resolution versions of those renders from Paul Wooster's presentation at #Humans2Mars summit 2019 organized by @ExploreMars:
https://www.humanmars.net/2019/07/hd-quality-official-renders-of-spacex.html
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 07/18/2019 11:36 am
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 07/19/2019 09:16 am
@tea monster
Just out of curiosity. What is the dimensions of the windows on the side of your starship render?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 07/20/2019 12:31 pm
Mine are .457 meters tall. I might adjust them.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 07/20/2019 08:42 pm
Sometimes I get things right!

Only a month or so in advance but I'm happy  :)
Posted in https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48324.msg1957871#msg1957871

Or almost right, I see they are lifting from the core and not the legs.  Still, wouldn't be surprised to see these on Mars some day.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 07/20/2019 08:44 pm
Mine are .457 meters tall. I might adjust them.
The width may be a little too much.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/21/2019 09:05 pm
Couple of renders posted by dearmoon project on instagram back in June

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/22/2019 09:07 am
Another render posted by dearmoon early last month
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 07/23/2019 11:13 pm
Starship on the Moon.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: LMT on 07/24/2019 01:59 am
Starship on the Moon.

The more realistic, the more unbelievable...   8)

--

Since there's some speculation about addition of a deployable 4th leg or landing strut, I'll just post the supposed strut's, ah, "pre-render", from Destination Moon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destination_Moon_(film)), 1950.  Rocketship Luna (https://retrorockets.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/destination-moon-design-and-performance-of-the-rocketship-luna/).

(https://retrorockets.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/dmoon2.jpg)

(https://retrorockets.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/dm-1_page1_large.jpg)

(https://retrorockets.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/destination_moon_1531.jpg)

[Landing strut in red.]

Quote from: LaWik
"The film's premise is that private industry will mobilize, finance, and manufacture the first spacecraft to the Moon, and that the U.S. government will be forced to purchase or lease the technology to remain the dominant power in space..."
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/27/2019 06:36 am
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1155002874507563008

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Starship around earth

#space #SpaceX #Starhopper #starship #cinema4d #fusion360 #Mars #Earth @Spacexpage #spaceexplorationtechnologiescorp #ElonMusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 08/06/2019 09:04 am
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: retrojet on 08/06/2019 04:36 pm
I made an illustration of the SPACEX STARSHIP ASSEMBLY at BOCA CHICA, around July 2019. I made this, because i couldn't find any fly-over-footage of that area. So i started to draw a isometric illustration of that area. Luckily a day later LAB PADRE made a fly over and brought some awesome footage to all of us.
Hope someone like my illustration. [find it attached]
You can also find some of the BOCA CHICA illustrations as posters here:
Illustration - Poster Prints (https://www.redbubble.com/de/people/alex-rex?ref=artist_title_name&asc=u)

thanks to all, that post great footage in this forum!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 08/07/2019 02:49 pm
Unofficial cutaway diagram of the Starship (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html) by German illustrator Julian Schindler
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tenkendojo on 08/07/2019 03:22 pm
Unofficial cutaway diagram of the Starship (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html) by German illustrator Julian Schindler

A 14-crew interplanetary luxury yacht?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RonM on 08/07/2019 03:51 pm
Unofficial cutaway diagram of the Starship (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html) by German illustrator Julian Schindler

A 14-crew interplanetary luxury yacht?

The initial missions will use Starship as living quarters on Mars. So a small crew will need a lot of room for a two year stay. Once some habitats are deployed on Mars something like this won't be needed.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 08/07/2019 04:14 pm
The initial missions will use Starship as living quarters on Mars. So a small crew will need a lot of room for a two year stay. Once some habitats are deployed on Mars something like this won't be needed.

If I remember correctly Elon once told on the 1st mission there will be 2 Starship crews of a dozen astronauts each.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: zodiacchris on 08/07/2019 08:08 pm
It is a nice render but I did notice a few things like the shower and toilet on different decks and the waste of the window area as a bridge with rows of seats that would put the crew head down during reentry. Didn’t the departure concert with the violin player show an open space in that area? Consoles on the ceiling in the belly flop position, with the crew head down during max deceleration? How do you get down from the forward consoles after landing?
Room for hydroponics on a 2 month trip? Workshop four decks up from the cargo deck and the airlock?
I don’t want to sound harsh, but overall the use of space seems a bit random, wasteful and not particularly well though through...🤔
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Slarty1080 on 08/08/2019 01:30 am
Unofficial cutaway diagram of the Starship (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html) by German illustrator Julian Schindler
There's a separate thread for Starship layout here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267
 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267)

There are a number of issues with the cutaway not least of which is the waste of space in the central corridor and the fall risk on Mars. You can't reasonably expect the crew to clamber up and down multi story ladders for a year. At some point someone is going to slip and break their neck even in reduced gravity.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: TripleSeven on 08/08/2019 01:53 am
Unofficial cutaway diagram of the Starship (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html) by German illustrator Julian Schindler
There's a separate thread for Starship layout here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267
 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267)

There are a number of issues with the cutaway not least of which is the waste of space in the central corridor and the fall risk on Mars. You can't reasonably expect the crew to clamber up and down multi story ladders for a year. At some point someone is going to slip and break their neck even in reduced gravity.

that will be the least of their survival problems 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 08/08/2019 02:13 am
Unofficial cutaway diagram of the Starship (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html) by German illustrator Julian Schindler
There's a separate thread for Starship layout here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267
 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267)

There are a number of issues with the cutaway not least of which is the waste of space in the central corridor and the fall risk on Mars. You can't reasonably expect the crew to clamber up and down multi story ladders for a year. At some point someone is going to slip and break their neck even in reduced gravity.

that will be the least of their survival problems

Not if there are long vertical drop shafts...  This is not Star Wars.

The road to survival on Mars will be paved with practical engineering design decisions, and IMO a lot of locally-made real-time ones, tho of course the ships themselves are designed on Earth.

There's a thread on external elevator rails btw here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48734%2E0&share_tid=48734&share_fid=73232&share_type=t
(Elevator on rockets)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 08/08/2019 08:35 am
There's a separate thread for Starship layout here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267
 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg1947267#msg1947267)
There are a number of issues with the cutaway not least of which is the waste of space in the central corridor and the fall risk on Mars. You can't reasonably expect the crew to clamber up and down multi story ladders for a year. At some point someone is going to slip and break their neck even in reduced gravity.

Wasn't aware of that topic. Thanks.

Regarding that central vertical corridor, your layout seems to have similar tunnel:

Since it is possible that Elon Musk might show us what the internal layout of the Mars ship will be at his 20th June talk, I thought I would share my prediction for the layout now.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 08/19/2019 01:16 pm
does anybody has this image in full resolution? I tried all keywords I could think of on google images, and nothing.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tea monster on 08/19/2019 02:11 pm
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: thxbmp3 on 08/19/2019 05:01 pm
does anybody has this image in full resolution? I tried all keywords I could think of on google images, and nothing.

I suspect this might just be a screencap from the Starship turntable gif on https://www.spacex.com/mars (https://www.spacex.com/mars).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/24/2019 11:59 am
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1165200979387703298

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I just made this to approx. Scale image of the SpaceX Starship docked at Deep Space Nine.
#SpaceX #DS9
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/25/2019 05:49 pm
By Colin Doublier:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1XEycto4ll/?igshid=o2lt0colca2v

Appears to be a lunar gateway rendezvous
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/01/2019 12:21 pm
Free to download Starhopper paper model:

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Prototype launch vehicle from SpaceX, as part of the new Generation Launch Vehicle Starship. It was successfully launched on August 27, 2019 using a single Raptor engine (s/n 6) ascending to an altitude of 150 meters before performing a controlled landing. The flight lasted about 57 seconds.
Launch Site: Boca Chica Facility, Texas
Vehicle: Prototype Starhopper Test Unit
Landing: SpaceX South Texas Landing Site at Boca Chica.
1:100 scale model
Instruction Manual is in the works

http://axmpaperspacescalemodels.com/index.php/spacex-starship/product/Starhopper%20Test%20Unit/

I’ve attached a selection of the images from the above link
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/05/2019 06:07 pm
https://twitter.com/bbolleber/status/1137145711504633862

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My render of Starship✨ isn’t she beautiful? @elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ulm_atms on 09/05/2019 06:45 pm
https://twitter.com/bbolleber/status/1137145711504633862

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My render of Starship✨ isn’t she beautiful? @elonmusk @SpaceX

Elon/SpaceX.  Please make a pen set like this.  I would buy 10 of them in a second!  :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/06/2019 04:35 pm
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1169906410290700289

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My computer crashes whenever I try to edit this model, so here are some renders of the incomplete interior.
.
 
#spaceexplorationtechnologiescorp #starhopper #starship #mars #moon #spacex #elonmusk #fusion360 #cinema4d #animation #science #space #scifi #render
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Soleil_Deimos on 09/21/2019 05:15 pm
So, given all the parts we have now, the Starship design should be something like this.

Edit: Also an orbital version with tps for fun
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/22/2019 02:51 am
Nice. Pretty sure it needs a chine from the aft fins to the cannards and a root fairing around the fins.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rocket Surgeon on 09/22/2019 08:32 am
Hmmm, I wonder if this mean those smaller fins we saw in August are going to be up top.
Probably a bit further down the side where they can attach a bit straighter.

Image from u/ModeHopper and bocachicagal.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 09/22/2019 05:10 pm
Nice. Pretty sure it needs a chine from the aft fins to the cannards and a root fairing around the fins.

John

If by chine you mean a bulge that covers the “racetrack” equivalent piping and wires, sure. But I don’t expect it to stick out far nor have a sharp edge, which is usually a “chine” characteristic.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/22/2019 05:28 pm
Nice. Pretty sure it needs a chine from the aft fins to the cannards and a root fairing around the fins.

John

If by chine you mean a bulge that covers the “racetrack” equivalent piping and wires, sure. But I don’t expect it to stick out far nor have a sharp edge, which is usually a “chine” characteristic.

- I expect the shape of the fairing around the fins will be extended forward to the canards.

- It will add appreciable drag for reentry by adding to the width and deflecting flow outward. Probably will improve max L/D a little as well.

- A chine (or Leading Edge Extension) doesn't have to be sharp to do its job.

John

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 09/22/2019 05:40 pm
The last picture is not of chines “proper”... just the main fin-to-body blended transition pieces for the windward sides, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/22/2019 05:46 pm
The last picture is not of chines... just the main fin-to-body transition pieces, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.

You may be right, but I think they will extend this forward of the aft fins to form a chine with this or a similar shape. I believe this chine (possibly mythical) will blend into the aft section of the canards. We will see. Great fun! Place your bets.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 09/22/2019 05:49 pm
The last picture is not of chines “proper”... just the main fin-to-body blended transition pieces for the windward sides, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.
In aerospace we call them wing root fairings...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/22/2019 07:42 pm
Well, if the forward fins are 10m long and the back one a bit more than 12, this might be a solution.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/23/2019 01:16 am
- They are adding the chines. They appear smaller than the fin fairing cross section. Appear to stick out about .5 m.

- These chines will add more than 10%-20% increase in cross sectional drag and stabilize the flow around the cylinder.

- They are being attached to tabs welded to the fairing surface. Looks like they will have fasteners so that they may be removed for inspection and maintenance.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48895.msg1995233#msg1995233

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48895.msg1995333#msg1995333

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48895.msg1994606#msg1994606
sixth picture down shows fin fairings and chine


John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 09/23/2019 01:34 am
The last picture is not of chines... just the main fin-to-body transition pieces, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.

You may be right, but I think they will extend this forward of the aft fins to form a chine with this or a similar shape. I believe this chine (possibly mythical) will blend into the aft section of the canards. We will see. Great fun! Place your bets.

John
There's a possibility that at their flight regime, the flow detaches from the cylinder prior to the center-plane, so such features would not add a lot of drag.

I do like the idea though, it is very elegant, and I have no reason to think supersonic flow will behave in either of these ways.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/23/2019 02:04 am
Header tanks moved to the front.
There will be some large and cold pipes through the cargo area!
Perhaps the nose will not be under pressure?
It may allow for a stiffening of the wings using the tank headers.  It always seemed like a soft spot, structurally.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/23/2019 02:08 am
How long are these new versions expected to be? 58m? 60m?

Moved the front wings an extra 4m forwards.  Added an inner bulkhead.  Still seems to work.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 09/23/2019 02:22 am
Header tanks moved to the front.
There will be some large and cold pipes through the cargo area!
Perhaps the nose will not be under pressure?
It may allow for a stiffening of the wings using the tank headers.  It always seemed like a soft spot, structurally.

We've seen on the Mark 1 that the header tanks and supporting avionics equipment fits into a smaller area, probably by placing the tanks next to each other rather than vertically. The fuel and oxidizer lines run through chines that are outside the vehicle, and will not impinge on the cargo volume.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: groknull on 09/23/2019 02:23 am
Header tanks moved to the front.
There will be some large and cold pipes through the cargo area!
Perhaps the nose will not be under pressure?
It may allow for a stiffening of the wings using the tank headers.  It always seemed like a soft spot, structurally.

The (suspected) header tanks captured in various images have a large hole at one end.  That hole is off center.  This implies (to me) that the tanks will be mounted at an angle.  The two tanks might be mounted side-by side at an angle matching the tangent of the fuselage curve at that point.

I think they would be stacked dorsally / ventrally to leave lateral room for forward flap/fin actuators and structure.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/23/2019 02:32 am
The last picture is not of chines... just the main fin-to-body transition pieces, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.

You may be right, but I think they will extend this forward of the aft fins to form a chine with this or a similar shape. I believe this chine (possibly mythical) will blend into the aft section of the canards. We will see. Great fun! Place your bets.

John
There's a possibility that at their flight regime, the flow detaches from the cylinder prior to the center-plane, so such features would not add a lot of drag.

I do like the idea though, it is very elegant, and I have no reason to think supersonic flow will behave in either of these ways.

Google "hypersonic flow around a right cylinder". You will see that separation occurs well to the leeward side.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/23/2019 02:56 am
Series and parallel.  Not much change/gain one way or the other.
As far as chines go, waiting to see them.  I'm still in the blended transition camp.  But it would be a great spot for the propellant lines.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 09/23/2019 03:19 am
Series and parallel.  Not much change/gain one way or the other.
As far as chines go, waiting to see them.  I'm still in the blended transition camp.  But it would be a great spot for the propellant lines.

I suspect they'll be mounted at an unusual angle to fill the volume a little more tightly. I've made a hasty doodle in paint.net to illustrate the thought.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Niavok on 09/23/2019 08:25 am
I think the front and rear moving surfaces may be linked by a fixed wing like the attached image.

It allow to :
- protect feed line/pipes
- increase significantly the reentry surface
- reduce aerodynamic impact of forward fins during liftoff
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RobLynn on 09/23/2019 08:32 am
Showed up in a tweet on Elon's feed, unsure of provenance
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Which one? 1, 2 or 3? pic.twitter.com/jIEXVTQffa (https://t.co/jIEXVTQffa)</p>&mdash; Pranay Pathole (@PPathole) 23 September 2019 (https://twitter.com/PPathole/status/1176009335450681349?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFIGQKsUYAAxyjU.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Stellvia on 09/23/2019 08:50 am
Showed up in a tweet on Elon's feed, unsure of provenance

Source of image is Alex Delderfield (Twitter @Alex_ADEdge):

https://twitter.com/Alex_ADEdge/status/1175710622631088129
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 09/23/2019 12:13 pm
The last picture is not of chines... just the main fin-to-body transition pieces, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.

You may be right, but I think they will extend this forward of the aft fins to form a chine with this or a similar shape. I believe this chine (possibly mythical) will blend into the aft section of the canards. We will see. Great fun! Place your bets.

John
There's a possibility that at their flight regime, the flow detaches from the cylinder prior to the center-plane, so such features would not add a lot of drag.

I do like the idea though, it is very elegant, and I have no reason to think supersonic flow will behave in either of these ways.

Google "hypersonic flow around a right cylinder". You will see that separation occurs well to the leeward side.

John

This picture of the flows?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0eyMsh1vuU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0eyMsh1vuU)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/23/2019 01:34 pm
The last picture is not of chines... just the main fin-to-body transition pieces, IMO. The are just two pieces laying next to each other.

But I could be wrong.

You may be right, but I think they will extend this forward of the aft fins to form a chine with this or a similar shape. I believe this chine (possibly mythical) will blend into the aft section of the canards. We will see. Great fun! Place your bets.

John
There's a possibility that at their flight regime, the flow detaches from the cylinder prior to the center-plane, so such features would not add a lot of drag.

I do like the idea though, it is very elegant, and I have no reason to think supersonic flow will behave in either of these ways.

Google "hypersonic flow around a right cylinder". You will see that separation occurs well to the leeward side.

John

This picture of the flows?


Yes, up to the point where the wall reflection disrupts the flow. At higher Mach, the bow wave wraps closer to the cylinder. Exact separation point depends on Reynolds number.

Chine will push the flow outward and cause separation, thus increasing drag. It also reduces the unstable vortex shedding you see in the video after t=4.0.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/23/2019 01:53 pm
Showed up in a tweet on Elon's feed, unsure of provenance

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFIGQKsUYAAxyjU.jpg:large)

I'm thinking 1

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AndrewSmith on 09/23/2019 02:56 pm
Do we have any sense the temperatures the leeward side will experience?

30x stainless likes to develop a dramatic temperature-dependent patina above 200 degC - even with windward tiles, I'm expecting some dramatic discoloration across the rest of SS!

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/23/2019 02:59 pm
Do we have any sense the temperatures the leeward side will experience?

30x stainless likes to develop a dramatic temperature-dependent patina above 200 degC - even with windward tiles, I'm expecting some dramatic discoloration across the rest of SS!

I would expect some leeward temperatures to be 500C.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JonathanD on 09/23/2019 03:03 pm
Does this mean upon landing we could have a rainbow starship?

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ionmars on 09/23/2019 03:40 pm
Showed up in a tweet on Elon's feed, unsure of provenance

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFIGQKsUYAAxyjU.jpg:large)

I'm thinking 1

John
My guess: 1 plus added chines/flaps.  See #178.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47144.160
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Kansan52 on 09/23/2019 04:00 pm
So best guess now is 2 wings, 2 canards, and three landing legs?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/23/2019 04:04 pm
So best guess now is 2 wings, 2 canards, and three landing legs?

6 landing legs seems likely. Evidence from counting attachment structures in tent.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 09/23/2019 04:11 pm
So best guess now is 2 wings, 2 canards, and three landing legs?

6 landing legs seems likely. Evidence from counting attachment structures in tent.

John

And this zoomed graphic from the recent Boca Chica FAA EIS review. Thin gruel, but consistent with events.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tleski on 09/23/2019 04:12 pm
Series and parallel.  Not much change/gain one way or the other.
As far as chines go, waiting to see them.  I'm still in the blended transition camp.  But it would be a great spot for the propellant lines.
The upper bulkhead in your pictures is too high. The headers will occupy just the nose cone and there is the whole middle part of the fairing between the nose cone and the tank section.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Kansan52 on 09/23/2019 04:16 pm
Good info all!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: eriblo on 09/23/2019 04:31 pm
How long are these new versions expected to be? 58m? 60m?

Moved the front wings an extra 4m forwards.  Added an inner bulkhead.  Still seems to work.
God looking renders as usual :) Do you have an specific idea behind the tank bulkhead positions or does that fall under artistic license?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AJW on 09/23/2019 04:32 pm
Pulled this off the bookshelf.   Recent changes are moving some aspects from Tin Tin-esque and towards Tom Swiftian.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 09/23/2019 05:33 pm
I think the front and rear moving surfaces may be linked by a fixed wing like the attached image.

It allow to :
- protect feed line/pipes
- increase significantly the reentry surface
- reduce aerodynamic impact of forward fins during liftoff

No no no. The fins are there to balance center of mass. The cylinder itself as more than enough lift.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/23/2019 05:56 pm
How long are these new versions expected to be? 58m? 60m?

Moved the front wings an extra 4m forwards.  Added an inner bulkhead.  Still seems to work.
God looking renders as usual :) Do you have an specific idea behind the tank bulkhead positions or does that fall under artistic license?
The yellow and blue bulkheads are based on calculated propellant volumes, with a bit of ulage volume.  The two upper tanks are the landing tanks from the 2017 version, moved forwards; no real reason for them to change much in size.
The upper bulkhead (white section) is a guess based on the idea that it makes no sense to have the upper propellant tanks inside the crew/cargo pressure volume.  It might not exist in the MK1 and MK2, since these are prototypes, but it seemed to me it might serve as a nice structural diaphragm for the fin attachments.
The two lower tanks may have heads that are a bit too flat.  The latest images seem to show almost spherical tank heads.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: supersubie on 09/23/2019 06:34 pm
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ok couldnt resist another updated version. Slightly modified canards and some Falcon 9 inspired landing legs.

Figure this is the tried and tested way, legs that fold up and stay out the way, just beefed up for the larger #Starship (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Starship?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)#SpaceX (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpaceX?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #Rocket (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rocket?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #Mars (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/VdKy5M8RQ5 (https://t.co/VdKy5M8RQ5)</p>&mdash; Alex Delderfield (@Alex_ADEdge) September 23, 2019 (https://twitter.com/Alex_ADEdge/status/1176087886304698370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


Source @Alex Delderfield

This guy is doing some great work and the addition of the Falcon 9 landing legs makes this look really awesome. Not sure how likely that approach would be for the legs? Could see it adding a lot of additional weight that they may not need.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 09/23/2019 07:36 pm
The problem with F9 style legs are the legs that would be in the "windward" side, they could need a significant amount of TPS.

The other option is legs that extends from the engine area... But that would mean smaller legs with less tip-over stability.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: DistantTemple on 09/23/2019 07:42 pm
Beautiful model. Isn't it half the correct height. Everyone is only rendering the tank section and forgetting the "fairing" or cargo/HSF section.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/23/2019 07:44 pm
Beautiful model. Isn't it half the correct height. Everyone is only rendering the tank section and forgetting the "fairing" or cargo/HSF section.
The lower canards create an illusion of a shorter ship.
Still wonder if these will be that low.  Should know by tomorrow, I guess.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/23/2019 07:47 pm
The problem with F9 style legs are the legs that would be in the "windward" side, they could need a significant amount of TPS.

The other option is legs that extends from the engine area... But that would mean smaller legs with less tip-over stability.
I think they will probably trade out some of the lower level storage compartments, in particular if the ship is already bottom heavy.  So no visible legs.  There are no attachment points for them anyway, at least for the moment.  This is a return to 2017, so no reason why not, they must have checked it out then.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 09/23/2019 08:01 pm
The problem with F9 style legs are the legs that would be in the "windward" side, they could need a significant amount of TPS.

The other option is legs that extends from the engine area... But that would mean smaller legs with less tip-over stability.

Should be a way to make legs telescoping and rotate out from under the skirt. I too like the idea of less things on the hot side. Simplifies heat shield tiles and reduces risk of losing some of them.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 09/23/2019 08:39 pm
The Tin Tin legs were so much more elegant.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: vaporcobra on 09/23/2019 09:24 pm
The Tin Tin legs were so much more elegant.

Haha Musk clearly agrees and is hard-pressed to accept function over form... We'll see who wins out.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: meekGee on 09/23/2019 09:49 pm
The Tin Tin legs were so much more elegant.

Haha Musk clearly agrees and is hard-pressed to accept function over form... We'll see who wins out.
:)  it was "engineering elegance"...  sometimes worth a few pounds.

Musk is the master of keeping the whole system in mind, not optimizing one subsystem at a time.

If we end up with 3 fins, I don't think it'll be because of "form".

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SkyRate on 09/23/2019 10:31 pm
The problem with F9 style legs are the legs that would be in the "windward" side, they could need a significant amount of TPS.
Not much more than any other area of the windward side.

I think they will probably trade out some of the lower level storage compartments, in particular if the ship is already bottom heavy.  So no visible legs.  There are no attachment points for them anyway, at least for the moment.  This is a return to 2017, so no reason why not, they must have checked it out then.
But the components Elon described as leg frames in the tent have curvature that only fits on the outside of a cylinder. Just like the lower fin hinges. Which btw look like they will do more than support the fins.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/24/2019 01:54 am
The problem with F9 style legs are the legs that would be in the "windward" side, they could need a significant amount of TPS.
Not much more than any other area of the windward side.

I think they will probably trade out some of the lower level storage compartments, in particular if the ship is already bottom heavy.  So no visible legs.  There are no attachment points for them anyway, at least for the moment.  This is a return to 2017, so no reason why not, they must have checked it out then.
But the components Elon described as leg frames in the tent have curvature that only fits on the outside of a cylinder. Just like the lower fin hinges. Which btw look like they will do more than support the fins.
It still seems a bad idea to add stuff to the outside when there is free space on the inside.  In particular on the hot side, this will add uselessly complex tiling when there already is an existing solution.

Updated with side coverings for the header pipes, and a longer body for 1500 tonnes and corresponding propellant (11m methane, 13m oxygen).  58-59m long at this point.  Still no idea where the front flaps will really go, but they are probably going to be higher than this.  Added batteries in the nose and a bit of piping.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AJW on 09/24/2019 01:57 am
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/24/2019 02:15 am
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.

The inside of the fins will probably see something like 500C during reentry. You could bake cookies.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/24/2019 02:16 am
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.
Well, they are about 32m2 each without the cylinder.  Is the cylinder all actuators?  Thickness is also a bit tricky, but perhaps a bit less than 16 m3 each, or 32 000 liters total.  I don't think they are more than 0,5m thick at the root.
The cylinder adds a lot of volume though.
As tanks,they have a lot of surface area, and you would want to store something that wouldn't freeze.
Wonder how leaky the airframe will be?  Guess you want internal pressure to bleed out fairly fast, as it climbs up to space, so they will have holes here and there, perhaps compromising the tank function?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/24/2019 02:21 am
The problem with F9 style legs are the legs that would be in the "windward" side, they could need a significant amount of TPS.
Not much more than any other area of the windward side.

I think they will probably trade out some of the lower level storage compartments, in particular if the ship is already bottom heavy.  So no visible legs.  There are no attachment points for them anyway, at least for the moment.  This is a return to 2017, so no reason why not, they must have checked it out then.
But the components Elon described as leg frames in the tent have curvature that only fits on the outside of a cylinder. Just like the lower fin hinges. Which btw look like they will do more than support the fins.
Two of the legs might fit in the bottom of the lower flaps, so we would both be right !   ;)  The piping will be gone down there, so there might be a usable void.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SeaRaven on 09/24/2019 12:11 pm
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.

The inside of the fins will probably see something like 500C during reentry. You could bake cookies.

John

Not great for the aluminum they're made of then.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SeaRaven on 09/24/2019 12:37 pm
Does this mean upon landing we could have a rainbow starship?

Well, with the tiles we expect carbon grey,  and from the steel, rainbow, sooty brown and white streaks if the aluminum fins catch fire either on takeoff or from a suborbital descent
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/24/2019 01:32 pm
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.

The inside of the fins will probably see something like 500C during reentry. You could bake cookies.

John

Not great for the aluminum they're made of then.

Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JamesH65 on 09/24/2019 01:52 pm
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.

The inside of the fins will probably see something like 500C during reentry. You could bake cookies.

John

Not great for the aluminum they're made of then.

Great Scott! I cannot believe SpaceX didn't think of that!

Or in short we do not know what they are a made off, but we can make assumptions that SpaceX have made them of a material suitable for the task in hand.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SkyRate on 09/24/2019 02:18 pm
Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.
Skin certainly looks like stainless, but the strips on top of the skin (presumably riveted to ribs) also have 7075 markings.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 09/24/2019 02:24 pm
Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.
Skin certainly looks like stainless, but the strips on top of the skin (presumably riveted to ribs) also have 7075 markings.

Do you have a pic?
I only saw the rib with the 7075 marking.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 09/24/2019 02:28 pm
Could someone with a 3D model get me an approximate volume for the two lower wings?   My best guess is about 100,000 liters, or about a third of the fuel capacity of an A380.  Some of the volume will be used for the mechanism that drives the control surfaces, but the rest could be used as two non-pressurized storage tank either en-route or after arrival.

Musk tweeted that the fins will move rapidly, I seem to remember, so perhaps that wouldn't go well with using them as storage tanks.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/24/2019 10:38 pm
Some legs.  This will be one of my shortest lived models yet!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 09/24/2019 10:49 pm
Some legs.  This will be one of my shortest lived models yet!

Legs sliding out from underneath the airframe just does not pass the smell test. The footprint is smaller than before, which was already on shaky ground wrt lunar or martian terrain. It may be able to stand up reasonably well on uneven ground but landing on uneven ground is another story altogether. There will be a significant moment arm induced by settling to a non-zero position. Bodies in motion tend to remain in motion, and the vehicle could actually tip over while trying to land because of that, vs easily standing on the same uneven ground with no momentum.

Nice illustration btw.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: I14R10 on 09/24/2019 11:03 pm

Legs sliding out from underneath the airframe just does not pass the smell test. The footprint is smaller than before, which was already on shaky ground wrt lunar or martian terrain.

Maybe they will use RCS thrusters to prevent it from tipping over? I'm not an engineer but couldn't you make the legs automatically retract or extend according to the terrain to keep the vehicle upright?

For anything else before the landing they can use RCS like in Falcon 9 landing.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SkyRate on 09/24/2019 11:30 pm
Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.
Skin certainly looks like stainless, but the strips on top of the skin (presumably riveted to ribs) also have 7075 markings.

Do you have a pic?
I only saw the rib with the 7075 marking.

Here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48895.0;attach=1583487;sess=55882
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mandella on 09/25/2019 12:02 am

Legs sliding out from underneath the airframe just does not pass the smell test. The footprint is smaller than before, which was already on shaky ground wrt lunar or martian terrain.

Maybe they will use RCS thrusters to prevent it from tipping over? I'm not an engineer but couldn't you make the legs automatically retract or extend according to the terrain to keep the vehicle upright?

For anything else before the landing they can use RCS like in Falcon 9 landing.

Maybe on the moon, but I don't think the RCS will be powerful enough to prevent tippage on Mars, certainly not on Earth.

I do think it is possible that they go with a temporary landing leg system while they work out aerodynamics, and then later focus on incorporating the real thing with a wider stance.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: mclumber1 on 09/25/2019 12:20 am

Legs sliding out from underneath the airframe just does not pass the smell test. The footprint is smaller than before, which was already on shaky ground wrt lunar or martian terrain.

Maybe they will use RCS thrusters to prevent it from tipping over? I'm not an engineer but couldn't you make the legs automatically retract or extend according to the terrain to keep the vehicle upright?

For anything else before the landing they can use RCS like in Falcon 9 landing.

Maybe on the moon, but I don't think the RCS will be powerful enough to prevent tippage on Mars, certainly not on Earth.

I do think it is possible that they go with a temporary landing leg system while they work out aerodynamics, and then later focus on incorporating the real thing with a wider stance.

I think one of the benefits of moving to an 18 meter architecture would be that the vehicle would be more squat - meaning it would be less likely to tip on uneven terrain.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/25/2019 01:54 am
Some legs.  This will be one of my shortest lived models yet!

Legs sliding out from underneath the airframe just does not pass the smell test. The footprint is smaller than before, which was already on shaky ground wrt lunar or martian terrain. It may be able to stand up reasonably well on uneven ground but landing on uneven ground is another story altogether. There will be a significant moment arm induced by settling to a non-zero position. Bodies in motion tend to remain in motion, and the vehicle could actually tip over while trying to land because of that, vs easily standing on the same uneven ground with no momentum.

Nice illustration btw.
Yeah, the legs looked good right up until I did the side elevation, and then they started looking too short.  But they were done, and I ran out of time to redesign again.  I look forwards to seeing what the real solution will be.  There is plenty of space between the engines, so I still think they will fit in there, somehow.  But with a more stable solution. 
As a (weak) defence of this design, perhaps they could be able to survey the ground in real time, and adjust the legs beforehand so the ship is never out of balance?   Or adjust the legs as they land with load cells and such to keep in straight in real time? Doesn't seem like an impossible computation. They will already have some fast actuators for the fins.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/25/2019 02:00 am
Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.
Skin certainly looks like stainless, but the strips on top of the skin (presumably riveted to ribs) also have 7075 markings.

Do you have a pic?
I only saw the rib with the 7075 marking.

Here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48895.0;attach=1583487;sess=55882

Missed that. Good catch. Looks like 7075 T6. I am baffled. Is this the leeward side or is the other side the same?

Edit: It appears to be the windward side. Very weird.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/25/2019 02:03 am
Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.
Skin certainly looks like stainless, but the strips on top of the skin (presumably riveted to ribs) also have 7075 markings.

Do you have a pic?
I only saw the rib with the 7075 marking.

Here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48895.0;attach=1583487;sess=55882

Missed that. Good catch. Looks like 7075 T6. I am baffled. Is this the leeward side or is the other side the same?

John
Perhaps this version will not go orbital, and not serve to test re-entry?  Then they might have settled for less heat resistant materials? 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/25/2019 02:12 am
Skins looked like stainless to me. Only saw one aluminum rib on the end. It's confusing. Either way, the inside of the fins are going to get toasty. 120C max if aluminum. 500C max if stainless.
Skin certainly looks like stainless, but the strips on top of the skin (presumably riveted to ribs) also have 7075 markings.

Do you have a pic?
I only saw the rib with the 7075 marking.

Here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48895.0;attach=1583487;sess=55882

Missed that. Good catch. Looks like 7075 T6. I am baffled. Is this the leeward side or is the other side the same?

John
Perhaps this version will not go orbital, and not serve to test re-entry?  Then they might have settled for less heat resistant materials?

Could be, but why? SS would not cost any more. This hurts my head.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Asadinator on 09/25/2019 02:22 am
Some legs.  This will be one of my shortest lived models yet!

Legs sliding out from underneath the airframe just does not pass the smell test. The footprint is smaller than before, which was already on shaky ground wrt lunar or martian terrain. It may be able to stand up reasonably well on uneven ground but landing on uneven ground is another story altogether. There will be a significant moment arm induced by settling to a non-zero position. Bodies in motion tend to remain in motion, and the vehicle could actually tip over while trying to land because of that, vs easily standing on the same uneven ground with no momentum.

Nice illustration btw.

The Starship is far heavier and larger moment of inertia than the Falcon 9, so it doesn’t need as wide of leg base for controlled landing on flat surface if you imagine to simply scale up Falcon 9 legs or copy Starhopper legs.

If Starship misjudges the landing and goes in on an angle, there are far bigger problems that would have caused it.

Uneven surfaces would be a problem however, but i like one of the other ideas that they don’t all have to extend the same amount to maintain levelness of Starship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Anjin_ on 09/25/2019 02:39 am
Ha! I feel like in all the recent discussion about the wings and how that affects the legs, everyone has forgotten Elon's tweet about engines under leg fairings... I know I did!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1153419738527125504
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nevyn72 on 09/25/2019 02:41 am
Ha! I feel like in all the recent discussion about the wings and how that affects the legs, everyone has forgotten Elon's tweet about engines under leg fairings... I know I did!

That tweet was about Super Heavy, not Starship!

Don't worry I made the same error previously......  :-[
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Anjin_ on 09/25/2019 02:52 am
Doh! Right you are

🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 09/25/2019 02:59 am
Ha! I feel like in all the recent discussion about the wings and how that affects the legs, everyone has forgotten Elon's tweet about engines under leg fairings... I know I did!

That tweet was about Super Heavy, not Starship!

Don't worry I made the same error previously......  :-[

But using the same leg+fairing for SS and SH would boost commonality.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Anjin_ on 09/25/2019 03:07 am
But using the same leg+fairing for SS and SH would boost commonality.

Though the leg fairing for SH wouldn't be subject to the same reentry heating that Starship will need to deal with...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 09/25/2019 03:26 am

Yeah, the legs looked good right up until I did the side elevation, and then they started looking too short.  But they were done, and I ran out of time to redesign again.  I look forwards to seeing what the real solution will be.  There is plenty of space between the engines, so I still think they will fit in there, somehow.  But with a more stable solution. 
As a (weak) defence of this design, perhaps they could be able to survey the ground in real time, and adjust the legs beforehand so the ship is never out of balance?   Or adjust the legs as they land with load cells and such to keep in straight in real time? Doesn't seem like an impossible computation. They will already have some fast actuators for the fins.

The bottom fin hinges seem to stick out much more than they need to. I think a slightly smaller version of the leg you drew could be squeezed in between the fin and hull. Add more that just house legs and the whole setup is outside the engine/cargo space and has a slightly wider stance. The droid junkyard photo shows 5 or 6 of those hinge mounts. There's only two fins so the rest either have another use or someone thought three or four spares somehow made sense.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aero on 09/25/2019 04:37 pm

Yeah, the legs looked good right up until I did the side elevation, and then they started looking too short.  But they were done, and I ran out of time to redesign again.  I look forwards to seeing what the real solution will be.  There is plenty of space between the engines, so I still think they will fit in there, somehow.  But with a more stable solution. 
As a (weak) defence of this design, perhaps they could be able to survey the ground in real time, and adjust the legs beforehand so the ship is never out of balance?   Or adjust the legs as they land with load cells and such to keep in straight in real time? Doesn't seem like an impossible computation. They will already have some fast actuators for the fins.

The bottom fin hinges seem to stick out much more than they need to. I think a slightly smaller version of the leg you drew could be squeezed in between the fin and hull. Add more that just house legs and the whole setup is outside the engine/cargo space and has a slightly wider stance. The droid junkyard photo shows 5 or 6 of those hinge mounts. There's only two fins so the rest either have another use or someone thought three or four spares somehow made sense.

Or they are just planning to use the same leg components for the heavy. Is that feasible? What do we expect the landed mass difference between the Starship and the Heavy to be?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/26/2019 09:00 am
https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1177140293990141952

Quote
Adding some more details, both inside and out, while we wait to see what legs are being added to #Starship

Still no sign of upper winglets/canards though.
#SpaceX #Rocket #Blender3D #Blender
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 09/26/2019 09:49 am
My views of Mk1
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SkyRate on 09/26/2019 09:52 am
The bottom fin hinges seem to stick out much more than they need to. I think a slightly smaller version of the leg you drew could be squeezed in between the fin and hull. Add more that just house legs and the whole setup is outside the engine/cargo space and has a slightly wider stance. The droid junkyard photo shows 5 or 6 of those hinge mounts. There's only two fins so the rest either have another use or someone thought three or four spares somehow made sense.
That was my take, too, especially since Musk called them leg frames. And he just confirmed it on twitter: "Six. Two windward, one under each fin & two leeward. Provides redundancy for landing on unimproved surfaces."
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 09/26/2019 07:12 pm
SpaceX Starship old design vs. the new one by Kimi Talvitie (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/09/spacex-starship-old-design-vs-new-one.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/27/2019 04:07 am
Moving on to fins near the nose, and legs a bit more spread out.  Shortened back down to 50m as well.

guess this is the last version before the reveal.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 09/27/2019 12:28 pm
Forcing the tail down with closed flaps and cold gas thrusters.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 09/28/2019 08:58 am
Two views more of my updated model
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/28/2019 04:25 pm
https://twitter.com/trampolinrocket/status/1177975995002830848

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Starship & Super Heavy (63m correct still?) on the left, Starship on the right (huge thanks @kimitalvitie for the originals)
 compared to Falcon heavy overlay from the
@SpaceX site in center. This is the future in the making! Thank you @elonmusk/@SpaceX for the inspiration.🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FlokiViking on 09/28/2019 04:48 pm
I think what's cool about the @MarcusHouseGame graphic is to realize that Starship is roughly functionally equivalent to the parts of Falcon Heavy above the side booster nose cones! 
Actually, it's significantly better because Starship is designed to effectively be a fully reusable upper stage with a much higher payload capability than FH.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 09/28/2019 07:29 pm
A view of Starship in the beach, over a photo from @silverguill
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/29/2019 12:17 am
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1178097588441993216

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#spaceexplorationtechnologiescorp #starhopper #starship #mars #moon #spacex #elonmusk #fusion360 #cinema4d #animation #science #spaceart #space #rocket #earth #design #interiordesign #scifi @elonmusk @Erdayastronaut pic.twitter.com/IeIHVRq3Pl
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 09/29/2019 09:53 am
My views of Starship with Super Heavy
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: retrojet on 09/29/2019 07:10 pm
It's not directly a "Render", but it's a 3D print. Due to the 28/09 presentation and the events of the last months in Boca Chica and Cocoa, I created a board game. I am a studied toy and product designer. I've already thought about crowdfunding, but I wanted to share the photos of the first game prototype with you (the community). I am interested in your feedback and your thoughts. You can get more information and pictures here:  http://www.alexrex.de/portfolio-item/race-to-orbit-the-game/ (http://www.alexrex.de/portfolio-item/race-to-orbit-the-game/)

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RACE TO ORBIT
The Game:

The aim of the game is to build up your own rocket as fast as possible and then drive it to the launch site. The first player to arrive at the launch site wins „RACE TO ORBIT“.

The game consists of two phases. The first phase is the „building phase“. The Starship is built by putting rings on top of each other. But be careful! Hurricanes and storms can quickly tip it over and you have to start stacking the rings again. Workhouses and tents can provide you with rings faster. A windbreak can protect your Starship from hurricanes. With tweets („action cards“) you can expand your factory or harm your competitor, but not every tweet has a positive effect on you. If the Starship is completely stacked, it will be transported to the starting place with the blue transporter in the second game phase („Transport Phase“).

www.alexrex.de
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Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: zeekakboos on 09/30/2019 09:59 pm
Entry render from the new SpaceX starship website
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 10/01/2019 12:16 am
Yeah, the legs looked good right up until I did the side elevation, and then they started looking too short.  But they were done, and I ran out of time to redesign again.  I look forwards to seeing what the real solution will be.  There is plenty of space between the engines, so I still think they will fit in there, somehow.  But with a more stable solution. 
As a (weak) defence of this design, perhaps they could be able to survey the ground in real time, and adjust the legs beforehand so the ship is never out of balance?   Or adjust the legs as they land with load cells and such to keep in straight in real time? Doesn't seem like an impossible computation. They will already have some fast actuators for the fins.

I actually like the way New Shepard's landing legs articulate out and lock down naturally. Past a certain point and they physically cannot fold up (collapse) without direct intervention to make that happen. It would provide a much wider footprint on the surface to stabilize the vehicle. It would be cool to see something of that nature be designed for SS. Leveling the vehicle would be accomplished with load cells on the legs.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 10/01/2019 12:44 am
Reentry render from the new SpaceX starship website
Welcome to the forum! :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: spacenut on 10/01/2019 12:48 am
If the lox tank is at the bottom and the methane tank is at the top (or middle) of the Starship or booster, the center of gravity should be very low.  With engines, legs, and lox on bottom it seems like the center of gravity on Starship and Superheavy may be so low, it won't tip over, even at a large angle. 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 10/01/2019 01:08 am
When landing, SS's propellant tanks will be largely empty, shifting the CoG much higher up the vehicle.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Gibbs on 10/01/2019 07:43 am
When landing, SS's propellant tanks will be largely empty, shifting the CoG much higher up the vehicle.
Landing on Mars with empty tanks, 150t of cargo in the upper section and uneven/soft surface will be even more problematic. Will be interesting to see how SpaceX solves this.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hamerad on 10/01/2019 08:10 am
When landing, SS's propellant tanks will be largely empty, shifting the CoG much higher up the vehicle.
Landing on Mars with empty tanks, 150t of cargo in the upper section and uneven/soft surface will be even more problematic. Will be interesting to see how SpaceX solves this.

Probably by putting cargo down by the raptor like they have talked about before

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1131676702491283456?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 10/01/2019 02:09 pm
Renders of SpaceX new Starship design by Kimi Talvitie (https://www.humanmars.net/2019/10/renders-of-spacex-new-starship-design.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/02/2019 12:28 pm
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1179369850763972610

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I think the shape of the fwd fins will change depending on whether or not there will be a payload during reentry, ie. Crewed ships vs putting satalites in orbit.
#starhopper #starship #mars #moon #spacex #elonmusk #fusion360 #cinema4d #science #space @elonmusk @Erdayastronaut
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: spacenut on 10/02/2019 02:09 pm
They may have to make the Starship crew and cargo to lower the center of gravity.  Crew quarters would be lightweight carbon fiber or aluminum, and below crew quarters a cargo bay.  This would reduce crew, but that shouldn't be a problem.  Heavy cargo could be in the bottom 3 bays.  Lighter cargo just below the crew. 

One question, why can't they use existing F9 landing legs, just more of them around the bottom?  They may not be long enough, and we can't block cargo bay doors on the bottom. 

Does anyone have a guess as to where the center of gravity is while full of fuel and when mostly empty when landing?  That would mean a lot as to how much angle they could take.  Like the Leaning Tower of Pisa. 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 10/02/2019 03:08 pm
Yeah, the legs looked good right up until I did the side elevation, and then they started looking too short.  But they were done, and I ran out of time to redesign again.  I look forwards to seeing what the real solution will be.  There is plenty of space between the engines, so I still think they will fit in there, somehow.  But with a more stable solution. 
As a (weak) defence of this design, perhaps they could be able to survey the ground in real time, and adjust the legs beforehand so the ship is never out of balance?   Or adjust the legs as they land with load cells and such to keep in straight in real time? Doesn't seem like an impossible computation. They will already have some fast actuators for the fins.

I actually like the way New Shepard's landing legs articulate out and lock down naturally. Past a certain point and they physically cannot fold up (collapse) without direct intervention to make that happen. It would provide a much wider footprint on the surface to stabilize the vehicle. It would be cool to see something of that nature be designed for SS. Leveling the vehicle would be accomplished with load cells on the legs.

For returns from Mars/Moon landings, the pair of legs on the hot side would have to make a good seal in flight after liftoff between the TPS on the leg fairings and the TPS on the body. Certainly doable, but enough of a headache to make the simpler design desirable as long as it works well enough. The current design should have a tipover angle of around 13 degrees if the CG is roughly centered.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 10/02/2019 09:39 pm
I actually like the way New Shepard's landing legs articulate out and lock down naturally. Past a certain point and they physically cannot fold up (collapse) without direct intervention to make that happen. It would provide a much wider footprint on the surface to stabilize the vehicle. It would be cool to see something of that nature be designed for SS. Leveling the vehicle would be accomplished with load cells on the legs.
For returns from Mars/Moon landings, the pair of legs on the hot side would have to make a good seal in flight after liftoff between the TPS on the leg fairings and the TPS on the body. Certainly doable, but enough of a headache to make the simpler design desirable as long as it works well enough. The current design should have a tipover angle of around 13 degrees if the CG is roughly centered.

Shuttle's landing gear did a really good job of sealing for a lot of years - many more times than Starship would need to do it. It's not a problem; it's just engineering.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 10/02/2019 10:42 pm
I actually like the way New Shepard's landing legs articulate out and lock down naturally. Past a certain point and they physically cannot fold up (collapse) without direct intervention to make that happen. It would provide a much wider footprint on the surface to stabilize the vehicle. It would be cool to see something of that nature be designed for SS. Leveling the vehicle would be accomplished with load cells on the legs.
For returns from Mars/Moon landings, the pair of legs on the hot side would have to make a good seal in flight after liftoff between the TPS on the leg fairings and the TPS on the body. Certainly doable, but enough of a headache to make the simpler design desirable as long as it works well enough. The current design should have a tipover angle of around 13 degrees if the CG is roughly centered.

Shuttle's landing gear did a really good job of sealing for a lot of years - many more times than Starship would need to do it. It's not a problem; it's just engineering.

The landing gear were not making the seal mid-flight. But there were 2 prop lines through the heatshield from the ET that had to close off after dropping the tank.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 10/03/2019 07:24 pm
Another 3D of mine, this time showing the internal structure of upper section. I put a lot of bulkheads.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 10/03/2019 08:02 pm
You may be misunderstanding what a bulkhead is. ("a dividing wall or barrier between compartments in a ship, aircraft, or other vehicle.")

The top of the tank is one. Structural rings(?) that you added are not bulkheads.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 10/03/2019 09:10 pm
Another view
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 10/03/2019 09:15 pm
You may be misunderstanding what a bulkhead is. ("a dividing wall or barrier between compartments in a ship, aircraft, or other vehicle.")

Yes they are structural rings or formers

The top of the tank is one.

I am drawing the current model that was presented this week so I put these thanks

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 10/04/2019 02:22 am
A view of the spacecraft in flight
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 10/05/2019 01:50 pm
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rondaz on 10/05/2019 11:08 pm
New renders of #Starship and #Superheavy. Quite a sight.

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1180482439594070018
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/06/2019 01:42 am
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rei on 10/06/2019 11:49 am
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/06/2019 01:18 pm
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.

Why do you say that? That is what happened with the Atlas.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/06/2019 03:24 pm
https://twitter.com/copsub/status/1180864557755113472

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Find your magnifying glass, as we compare the @SpaceX Starship and Super Heavy booster to the 14 meter tall Spica booster and space capsule.
Graphics courtesy of @Caspar_Stanley.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/06/2019 03:26 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1179113134751195136

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#Starship and #Superheavy in the clouds.

What do you guys think? Does it look accurate?
@Erdayastronaut @DJSnM @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 10/06/2019 03:54 pm
some more views of my Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ionmars on 10/06/2019 04:08 pm
Check the length (50m) to diameter (9m) ratio in your SS model. Added: SS + SH = 118m (). SS may have eaten too mny fatty molecules.  :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/06/2019 04:31 pm
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1180824038576275456

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Made some more renders
#spacex #cinema4d #Starship #space
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ace5 on 10/06/2019 04:33 pm
Check the length (50m) to diameter (9m) ratio in your SS model. Added: SS + SH = 118m (). SS may have eaten too mny fatty molecules.  :)

...If you are referring to me, it´s more a visual effect of the perspective, parallel projection. No need for weight-loss diet.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/06/2019 07:46 pm
https://twitter.com/vulcan2k3/status/1180919246404161536

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@BocaChicaGal I made a sweet vector graphic based on your photo you took. What do you think??
@SpaceX @elonmusk @joebarnard @Erdayastronaut @DJSnM
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 10/06/2019 09:29 pm
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images (https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images)

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John
Why would the skin ever be pressurized?  This isn't an Atlas.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Navier–Stokes on 10/06/2019 09:36 pm
Why would the skin ever be pressurized?  This isn't an Atlas.
Because the skin is the tanks.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/06/2019 11:21 pm
Why would the skin ever be pressurized?  This isn't an Atlas.
Because the skin is the tanks.

And it is built like a 3x atlas. Same pressure stabilized balloon tanks (so far we have not seen any stringers). Same materials, similar welded construction (except fusion welded instead of resistance welded).

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Rei on 10/06/2019 11:22 pm
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.

Why do you say that? That is what happened with the Atlas.

John

Atlas used balloon tanks.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/07/2019 12:44 am
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.

Why do you say that? That is what happened with the Atlas.

John

Atlas used balloon tanks.

??? Yes, and, as far as we know, so does StarShip.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: scr00chy on 10/07/2019 03:30 am

Atlas used balloon tanks.

??? Yes, and, as far as we know, so does StarShip.

John

Balloon tanks collapse under their own weight when not pressurized. Does it seem to you that the Starship prototypes are always pressurized?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 10/07/2019 04:46 am

Atlas used balloon tanks.

??? Yes, and, as far as we know, so does StarShip.

John

Balloon tanks collapse under their own weight when not pressurized. Does it seem to you that the Starship prototypes are always pressurized?

Does it count if the tank pressurization is structurally integral under flight loads?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: catdlr on 10/07/2019 05:23 am
TLAS AGENA ROCKET DEPRESSURIZES ON PAD, COLLAPSES AND TEARS ITSELF TO PIECES

https://youtu.be/imkdz63agHY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 10/07/2019 05:37 am
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.

Why do you say that? That is what happened with the Atlas.

John

Atlas used balloon tanks.

??? Yes, and, as far as we know, so does StarShip.

No, thats not the case at all. Altas tanks were thinner. Don't expect the Mk1 and 2 Starships to look flat when filled up.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nomadd on 10/07/2019 05:38 am
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.

Why do you say that? That is what happened with the Atlas.

John

Atlas used balloon tanks.
Production Starships will probably be around 1/8" thick in the middle. How thick were Atlas tanks?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 10/07/2019 05:52 am
1/8" = .125" = 3.175 mm.

Stack Exchange posts say Atlas tanks were 0.1 to 0.4 inches (2.5 to 10 mm).

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/13286/whats-the-thickness-and-weight-of-rocket-tanks/13289#13289
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: modemeagle on 10/07/2019 02:18 pm
1/8" = .125" = 3.175 mm.

Stack Exchange posts say Atlas tanks were 0.1 to 0.4 inches (2.5 to 10 mm).

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/13286/whats-the-thickness-and-weight-of-rocket-tanks/13289#13289

Closer to .014 to .019 per https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49166.msg2000431#msg2000431 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49166.msg2000431#msg2000431)

Thin like a balloon.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/07/2019 02:27 pm
https://solarxploration.wixsite.com/concepts/images

There should be 3 (of the central) Raptors ignited, not all 7.

Those wrinkles will be gone as soon as its pressurized for the first time.

John

I really doubt that.

Why do you say that? That is what happened with the Atlas.

John

Atlas used balloon tanks.
Production Starships will probably be around 1/8" thick in the middle. How thick were Atlas tanks?

Atlas tank thickness .019in (.482mm) at a diameter of 10ft (3.05m).
Scale this up by about 3 for 9m diameter of Starship and adding a little extra for reusability, I would expect an wall thickness of .08-.1in (2-2.5mm). This is based on what is required to withstand tank pressure. Buckling may require stringers to be added. Hoops/frames we have seen.

Starship skin thickness to diameter should be about the same as the Atlas, so one would expect similar proportional deflections when pressurized. That was my point.

John

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/07/2019 02:31 pm
1/8" = .125" = 3.175 mm.

Stack Exchange posts say Atlas tanks were 0.1 to 0.4 inches (2.5 to 10 mm).

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/13286/whats-the-thickness-and-weight-of-rocket-tanks/13289#13289

Wrong Atlas  :^)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/07/2019 02:48 pm
- Balloon tanks are tanks that do not have stringers supporting them. They do have frames/hoops/baffles, they don't have stringers. See interior pictures of Atlas tanks.

- Tank skins, balloon or not, are normally designed to a thickness to contain tank pressure independent of stringers and frames (or orthogrids).

- Unpressurized balloon tanks don't just collapse under no load. Some load is needed to make them collapse. The question is how much load and what are the requirements you are designing to.

- I am assuming SpaceX will require StarShip to support max payload, when tanks are not pressurized. This may be doable without stringers. If it is, then they are balloon tanks by definition.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nomadd on 10/07/2019 03:57 pm

- I am assuming SpaceX will require StarShip to support max payload, when tanks are not pressurized. This may be doable without stringers. If it is, then they are balloon tanks by definition.

John

If they go back to headers in the main tanks for Mars, I assume they'd just use fuel from them to pressurize before re-entry to avoid needing purging when they start refilling them?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 10/07/2019 04:06 pm

- I am assuming SpaceX will require StarShip to support max payload, when tanks are not pressurized. This may be doable without stringers. If it is, then they are balloon tanks by definition.

John

If they go back to headers in the main tanks for Mars, I assume they'd just use fuel from them to pressurize before re-entry to avoid needing purging when they start refilling them?
As of Elon's update I believe they're planning on keeping the headers in the bow. He said he wanted to ultimately build them in as they are doing for the main prop tanks.


Of course, I'm preaching to the choir as you were there! (lucky dog)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 10/07/2019 05:17 pm
Did atlas use the cryo formed stainless with its amazing tensile strength?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rpapo on 10/07/2019 05:46 pm
Regarding the header tanks, does it really matter?  The way the concept art shows it, only half of the space in the bow (the half with windows) is open space for the passengers.  They could easily put things like that under the floor in the very front.  And as had been said already, it doesn't impinge on the volume that the Chomper door would be open up to.

During launch, the fact that the payload is slightly offset from the centerline shouldn't matter so much because of the weight of fuel.  And on the way back, having weight offset towards the hot side would actually make the ship more stable in the belly-flop orientation.

My two cents worth.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 10/07/2019 06:20 pm
Did atlas use the cryo formed stainless with its amazing tensile strength?

- No, extra full hardened 301 stainless steel. Resistance welded joints were doubled up.

- Cryo formed isn't that much stronger from what I've been able to research. I think you would want to compare strengths at equal levels of "elongation at failure". You don't want your material too brittle.
 
John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/07/2019 06:20 pm
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1181270960705560577

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If the Cargo Starship was designed to split in the middle it could be used to transport large payloads to the surface of Mars, Like a tunneling machine. #SpaceX #Starshipmk1 #Starship
Sourse photo credit @austinbarnard45
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jstrotha0975 on 10/07/2019 08:28 pm
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1181270960705560577

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If the Cargo Starship was designed to split in the middle it could be used to transport large payloads to the surface of Mars, Like a tunneling machine. #SpaceX #Starshipmk1 #Starship
Sourse photo credit @austinbarnard45

Tunnel boring machines will be sent to Mars in pieces, easier to get down.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 10/08/2019 07:26 pm
has anyone extracted (print screen?) the new images from the presentation?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: armchairfan on 10/08/2019 10:16 pm
has anyone extracted (print screen?) the new images from the presentation?
Here are various picts and an animation from the spacex.com/starship site:

https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/starship_uses.jpg (https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/starship_uses.jpg)
https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/starship_cloud_launch1_moved_morechrome.jpg (https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/starship_cloud_launch1_moved_morechrome.jpg)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wzFQJUzoUvM/maxresdefault.jpg (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wzFQJUzoUvM/maxresdefault.jpg)
https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/01_starshipspinvertwide_2mbs_1.mp4 (https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/01_starshipspinvertwide_2mbs_1.mp4)
Attached is a frame from the mp4 animation that may be what you want:
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 10/08/2019 10:48 pm
has anyone extracted (print screen?) the new images from the presentation?

This may not be all of them, but here's what I have (12 images):

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/09/2019 06:27 am
twitter.com/harrystoltz1/status/1181758665352572928

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Check out this awesome blueprint of SpaceX’s #Starship!

https://twitter.com/harrystoltz1/status/1181758670574505984

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Credit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/df7htd/made_this_today_from_scratch_feel_free_to_use_it/
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Jcc on 10/09/2019 10:51 am
I think there’s a mistake. The “blueprint” has the LOX tank on top and it’s smaller than the CH4 tank.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nevyn72 on 10/10/2019 02:17 am
A question about the SS renders.

Mk1 has one shape of forward wing/canard/flap/thingy actually fitted, the SpaceX renders have another shape.

What do people think will be actual final shape?
Is this yet to be determined in testing?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 10/10/2019 02:45 am
this is pure real time goodness, a VR experience witih a really accurate model of mk1

check this thread for more info
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49238.0
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/10/2019 10:31 pm
https://twitter.com/cburg_/status/1180878041599348736

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Coming soon to a launchpad near you
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 10/11/2019 12:40 am
Finally found a bit of time to update my model.  Used the front flaps from Florida as well as the side pipe races.  Six legs. 50m long.  I think the final version may be longer to fit 1000m3 into the body.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 10/11/2019 09:36 am
Side view
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: webdan on 10/11/2019 10:03 am
That bay below the ship is where, as a kid, my parents used to send me to spend summers... La Baie des Chaleurs (Charleur Bay).

Thanks for bringing back some memories Lamontagne!

Finally found a bit of time to update my model.  Used the front flaps from Florida as well as the side pipe races.  Six legs. 50m long.  I think the final version may be longer to fit 1000m3 into the body.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 10/11/2019 01:10 pm
Starship stack
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/14/2019 06:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JyvzU0CXU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/18/2019 02:03 pm
Wow

https://twitter.com/davide_coco91/status/1185157026898481152

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On behalf of @ASIMOF_IT and @BIS_Italia, Italian section of British Interplanetary Society, I'm proud to present you the first and only 1:10 scale replica of @SpaceX's #Starship and #SuperHeavy.

@elonmusk what do you think?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 10/21/2019 11:22 pm
Some screenshots taken from the latest update of StarshipVR

source:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49311.0
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 10/24/2019 09:58 pm
4K resolution renders from SpaceX Flickr account
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 10/27/2019 12:57 am
4K resolution renders from SpaceX Flickr account

awesome! thanks

as a side note, that last render looks like evidence that they haven't decided a proper design for the legs
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 10/27/2019 01:01 am
Mk1.

I need to update my piping layout
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 10/28/2019 02:26 pm
Just published by Hazegrayart:

https://youtu.be/oJLsHYSMTJM
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zanzalur on 10/29/2019 05:05 pm
A simple little cutaway drawing i made of Starship Mk1. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/31/2019 09:33 am
Visualisation of what we should be seeing in a few weeks. Dwarfing its ground equipment makes it look almost surreal:

https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1189830738809688064

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Cant wait to see this assembled at the launch site.
background Source photo credit @JaneidyEve
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/02/2019 04:51 pm
Don’t remember seeing these before:

https://twitter.com/human_mars/status/1190684541238820866

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American aircraft interior designer Jim Murphy has made a concept for the interior of @SpaceX's #Starship with acceleration seats needed for takeoff and landing placed in individual cabins and acting as transformable beds: humanmars.net/2019/11/spacex…

Jim Murphy’s page is worth a look:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/83284997/Big-Falcon-Rocket
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 11/08/2019 06:34 am
Here are some images that are the result of a collaboration between myself and user @lamontagne -- who did all of the wonderful artwork. (Thanks again!)

My plan here was to come up with a realistic model that is motivated by SpaceX's stated goal of being able to send 100 people to Mars per flight. I had some ideas on how to make that work, and thought it would be interesting to visualize them. My approach includes a few things we've learned after 20 years of experience with people living on the International Space Station.

The design divides the living space into 7 decks, labeled A to G, from the bottom-up. There are two openings between decks, offset slightly from one deck to the next, to reduce the risk of accidents related to trying to "fly" through multiple decks while in zero-G. There are removable rails around the openings, to prevent accidental falls while on Earth or Mars. All decks have a 2.2m high living space, except Deck G, which is 2.16m high. The blue bars in some areas are examples of hand and foot holds, like they use on ISS.

The floors are shown with hexagonal tiles, to indicate a system that will allow wall partitions and other items to be attached or removed to meet the tastes and needs of passengers.

Deck A has the gym, an external airlock, some storage space, and a couple of toilets:

-- ISS found a need for 2+ hours of exercise per day to avoid bone and muscle loss. Multiplied by 100 people, that requires 10 exercise machines. Note that several of them are mounted on the walls.
-- Making full use of walls and ceilings for living space is a theme of this design, since there's no "down" in zero-G.
-- The airlock allows access to the outside of the ship during flight, in case of a need to make inspections or minor repairs, and to support landing in places without pre-existing ground infrastructure.

Decks B and C have passenger cabins and toilets:

-- 25 rooms on each deck, with 2 people per room
-- Rooms are separated by removable walls (shown installed in the Deck C rendering)
-- Walls will be removed during launch and landing (as shown in the Deck B rendering)
-- Groups traveling together may want to remove the wall between their adjoining cabins
-- Seats are positioned radially
-- The position / orientation of the seats can be changed automatically, with enough range of motion to account for the ship's direction vector change during EDL
-- After launch, the seats can be removed, disassembled, and stowed in the area on Deck A
-- Each passenger will have two pieces of carry-on luggage, 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.2m in size, 20 kg max
-- Carry-ons will be stored in the ceiling of each cabin
-- Cabins on the leeward side of the ship only will have small windows
-- Passengers sleep on the walls (in simple sleeping bags, as on ISS), to ease entry and exit while one or the other is asleep
-- Passengers will sleep in two shifts, to make more room available per person on non-cabin decks when people are awake

Deck D is the solar storm shelter and a single toilet:

-- Passenger's checked luggage is stored on the outside of the shelter, in a layer 0.7m thick
-- Each passenger will have 1.0m3 of checked luggage, in several pieces, weighing 250kg max
-- The inside of the storm shelter consists of a 12.5cm layer of water, packaged in plastic containers that can be removed
-- Water can be removed during the flight and used for cooking, and replaced after processing
-- The ship will have a closed-cycle water purification system, similar to ISS (including urine)
-- Some of the interior storage layer will also be available for food
-- During a solar storm, all 100 passengers will need to be in this area
-- By nature of its position, the shelter will also provide some additional shielding for the cabin areas

Deck E is the kitchen / galley:

-- Self-serve food area
-- Food storage and dispensing mechanisms will be loaded by the crew before each meal, to prevent hoarding and similar potential social problems
-- Several vertical posts are available in this area, as a place for people to be able to temporarily attach things they're holding to a fixed location (tables don't work in zero-G)

Decks F and G are lounge areas:

-- Removable walls here can be used to change the layout of these spaces to suit passenger preferences
-- Deck F has a few toilets
-- Large video monitors will be available in these areas for shared movie viewing and the like (everyone is also assumed to have their own personal laptop)
-- Both decks have a view through the large window on the leeward side of the ship

Comments and questions welcome!

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: CowardlyWookiee on 11/08/2019 07:37 pm
Very well done, but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the radial seating layout doesn't work for launch and landing. Everyone's backs would need to be oriented towards the windward side of the ship to handle the g forces, squishy meatbags that we are.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 11/08/2019 08:03 pm
Very well done, but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the radial seating layout doesn't work for launch and landing. Everyone's backs would need to be oriented towards the windward side of the ship to handle the g forces, squishy meatbags that we are.

The idea here is that the seats can be removed after launch, then re-installed in a parallel configuration for EDL. Seats will also be able to change their orientation mechanically to some degree.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: eriblo on 11/08/2019 08:36 pm
Very well done, but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the radial seating layout doesn't work for launch and landing. Everyone's backs would need to be oriented towards the windward side of the ship to handle the g forces, squishy meatbags that we are.

The idea here is that the seats can be removed after launch, then re-installed in a parallel configuration for EDL. Seats will also be able to change their orientation mechanically to some degree.
But it will be a problem in the hopefully rare event of having to abort the ascent...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 11/08/2019 09:11 pm
Very well done, but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the radial seating layout doesn't work for launch and landing. Everyone's backs would need to be oriented towards the windward side of the ship to handle the g forces, squishy meatbags that we are.

The idea here is that the seats can be removed after launch, then re-installed in a parallel configuration for EDL. Seats will also be able to change their orientation mechanically to some degree.
But it will be a problem in the hopefully rare event of having to abort the ascent...

Removable walls and seats allow the seats to be organized in whichever orientation is best for a given phase of the mission. My expectation is that radial will work fine for launch and the Mars transfer burn, and that automated seat orientation changes will be enough to handle emergency abort. However, if a parallel orientation is better, they can be organized that way during launch as well as EDL.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 11/08/2019 09:44 pm
Here is an example of alternate seating arrangement, if this proves to be more appropriate to the final Starship motion.
Still 50 seats per floor.  A bit more tiresome to reach your seat, rather like a crowded airplane, but could probably be improved by more detailed design work.  Shows the idea works, I hope.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 11/09/2019 10:45 pm
Very well done, but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the radial seating layout doesn't work for launch and landing. Everyone's backs would need to be oriented towards the windward side of the ship to handle the g forces, squishy meatbags that we are.

The idea here is that the seats can be removed after launch, then re-installed in a parallel configuration for EDL. Seats will also be able to change their orientation mechanically to some degree.
But it will be a problem in the hopefully rare event of having to abort the ascent...

Removable walls and seats allow the seats to be organized in whichever orientation is best for a given phase of the mission. My expectation is that radial will work fine for launch and the Mars transfer burn, and that automated seat orientation changes will be enough to handle emergency abort. However, if a parallel orientation is better, they can be organized that way during launch as well as EDL.

If you're doing radial you should at least stagger the back row of seats by half a seat to give passengers a better view!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 11/11/2019 06:49 pm
I know this is a render thread but we're allowed to post our crappy doodles, right?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 11/11/2019 07:09 pm
Here are some images that are the result of a collaboration between myself and user @lamontagne -- who did all of the wonderful artwork. (Thanks again!)

My plan here was to come up with a realistic model that is motivated by SpaceX's stated goal of being able to send 100 people to Mars per flight. I had some ideas on how to make that work, and thought it would be interesting to visualize them. My approach includes a few things we've learned after 20 years of experience with people living on the International Space Station.

The design divides the living space into 7 decks, labeled A to G, from the bottom-up. There are two openings between decks, offset slightly from one deck to the next, to reduce the risk of accidents related to trying to "fly" through multiple decks while in zero-G. There are removable rails around the openings, to prevent accidental falls while on Earth or Mars. All decks have a 2.2m high living space, except Deck G, which is 2.16m high. The blue bars in some areas are examples of hand and foot holds, like they use on ISS.

The floors are shown with hexagonal tiles, to indicate a system that will allow wall partitions and other items to be attached or removed to meet the tastes and needs of passengers.

Deck A has the gym, an external airlock, some storage space, and a couple of toilets:

-- ISS found a need for 2+ hours of exercise per day to avoid bone and muscle loss. Multiplied by 100 people, that requires 10 exercise machines. Note that several of them are mounted on the walls.
-- Making full use of walls and ceilings for living space is a theme of this design, since there's no "down" in zero-G.
-- The airlock allows access to the outside of the ship during flight, in case of a need to make inspections or minor repairs, and to support landing in places without pre-existing ground infrastructure.

Decks B and C have passenger cabins and toilets:

-- 25 rooms on each deck, with 2 people per room
-- Rooms are separated by removable walls (shown installed in the Deck C rendering)
-- Walls will be removed during launch and landing (as shown in the Deck B rendering)
-- Groups traveling together may want to remove the wall between their adjoining cabins
-- Seats are positioned radially
-- The position / orientation of the seats can be changed automatically, with enough range of motion to account for the ship's direction vector change during EDL
-- After launch, the seats can be removed, disassembled, and stowed in the area on Deck A
-- Each passenger will have two pieces of carry-on luggage, 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.2m in size, 20 kg max
-- Carry-ons will be stored in the ceiling of each cabin
-- Cabins on the leeward side of the ship only will have small windows
-- Passengers sleep on the walls (in simple sleeping bags, as on ISS), to ease entry and exit while one or the other is asleep
-- Passengers will sleep in two shifts, to make more room available per person on non-cabin decks when people are awake

Deck D is the solar storm shelter and a single toilet:

-- Passenger's checked luggage is stored on the outside of the shelter, in a layer 0.7m thick
-- Each passenger will have 1.0m3 of checked luggage, in several pieces, weighing 250kg max
-- The inside of the storm shelter consists of a 12.5cm layer of water, packaged in plastic containers that can be removed
-- Water can be removed during the flight and used for cooking, and replaced after processing
-- The ship will have a closed-cycle water purification system, similar to ISS (including urine)
-- Some of the interior storage layer will also be available for food
-- During a solar storm, all 100 passengers will need to be in this area
-- By nature of its position, the shelter will also provide some additional shielding for the cabin areas

Deck E is the kitchen / galley:

-- Self-serve food area
-- Food storage and dispensing mechanisms will be loaded by the crew before each meal, to prevent hoarding and similar potential social problems
-- Several vertical posts are available in this area, as a place for people to be able to temporarily attach things they're holding to a fixed location (tables don't work in zero-G)

Decks F and G are lounge areas:

-- Removable walls here can be used to change the layout of these spaces to suit passenger preferences
-- Deck F has a few toilets
-- Large video monitors will be available in these areas for shared movie viewing and the like (everyone is also assumed to have their own personal laptop)
-- Both decks have a view through the large window on the leeward side of the ship

Comments and questions welcome!
Really interesting work guys - a lot of thought went into it and I’m sure with feedback future iterations will converge on a workable concept. 

A question and a comment...

Where is the LSS contained in this design, including fallback systems? I would think this would need to be readily accessible during flight.

HumanMars picked up on your design.

https://www.humanmars.net/2019/11/spacex-starship-interior-concept-for.html
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 11/11/2019 09:36 pm


Really interesting work guys - a lot of thought went into it and I’m sure with feedback future iterations will converge on a workable concept. 

A question and a comment...

Where is the LSS contained in this design, including fallback systems? I would think this would need to be readily accessible during flight.

HumanMars picked up on your design.

https://www.humanmars.net/2019/11/spacex-starship-interior-concept-for.html

Glad you like it!

The LSS are in the two blank rectangular spaces (columns) running from the top to the bottom of the living area, behind the ladders.  The system is divided into a number of subsystems per floor.  There is probably some ductwork in the floors going to the rooms as well.

Batteries are in the nose with the tanks, outside of the living area.
There is some extra space under the gym floor, probably where smaller tanks go. 
Water than cannot be re-used goes into some of the water bladders, to serve as radiation protection mass.
There is a large Nitrogen (compressed air?) tank just besides the airlock in case of large atmospheric losses, and for general system losses.



Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: gtae07 on 11/12/2019 12:59 pm
Does anyone have a 3d printer friendly SS/SH combo?  I’d like to print a couple off (for my boss and my son)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 11/14/2019 12:14 am
Figured I'd post this here too:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjp-J7Tz1Wg
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 11/17/2019 01:04 am
If you're doing radial you should at least stagger the back row of seats by half a seat to give passengers a better view!

Yeah, that was the original idea. Turns out it's a pretty tight squeeze.

After trying a few layouts, parallel seating will probably end up being the norm for both takeoff and EDL, with exterior views on video screens. Removable walls and seats are the key.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 11/18/2019 11:32 am
I imported the above model into Unity, and added some minimal lights, controls and exterior colors. You can fly around the ship in 3-D, without worrying about collisions and the like (no physics). The main goal is to give you a more dynamic sense of what it would be like to be in that space.

It's a crude (yet functional) setup that could use some testing. I thought it was fun, so perhaps others will, too.

To run the model, unzip the attached file and run Starship.exe. You shouldn't need to install anything.

Controls:

Mouse - look around
WASD - forward/back/left/right
Space - up
Left CTRL - down
ESC - exit

To get started, fly up to one of the airlock doors, then go forward through the hull into Deck A. After that, you can move around on that deck, then move up to each of the other decks.

If there's enough interest, I can start a separate thread for discussion and feedback, so this one doesn't get cluttered.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Cheapchips on 11/18/2019 11:46 am
I imported the above model into Unity, and added some minimal lights, controls and exterior colors. You can fly around the ship in 3-D, without worrying about collisions and the like (no physics). The main goal is to give you a more dynamic sense of what it would be like to be in that space.

It's a crude (yet functional) setup that could use some testing. I thought it was fun, so perhaps others will, too.

To run the model, unzip the attached file and run Starship.exe. You shouldn't need to install anything.

Controls:

Mouse - look around
WASD - forward/back/left/right
Space - up
Left CTRL - down
ESC - exit

To get started, fly up to one of the airlock doors, then go forward through the hull into Deck A. After that, you can move around on that deck, then move up to each of the other decks.

If there's enough interest, I can start a separate thread for discussion and feedback, so this one doesn't get cluttered.

That's lots of fun.  Maybe a toggle for 1g/0g movement controls?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SteveU on 11/18/2019 12:12 pm
I imported the above model into Unity, and added some minimal lights, controls and exterior colors. You can fly around the ship in 3-D, without worrying about collisions and the like (no physics). The main goal is to give you a more dynamic sense of what it would be like to be in that space.

It's a crude (yet functional) setup that could use some testing. I thought it was fun, so perhaps others will, too.

To run the model, unzip the attached file and run Starship.exe. You shouldn't need to install anything.

Controls:

Mouse - look around
WASD - forward/back/left/right
Space - up
Left CTRL - down
ESC - exit

To get started, fly up to one of the airlock doors, then go forward through the hull into Deck A. After that, you can move around on that deck, then move up to each of the other decks.

If there's enough interest, I can start a separate thread for discussion and feedback, so this one doesn't get cluttered.
Very nice - my only issue was the mouse was way to sensitive to use.  other than that - lots of fun!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hisdirt on 11/19/2019 07:59 pm
Hey everyone,

Inspired by a few of you on here, Ive been modelling a Raptor based on some great high-res photos and with help from Rafael. Eventually Im wanting to turn it into a little 3D printed Lego set, but for now Im just trying to get it looking correct.

Here is progress so far:

Edit: Image attached rather than linked
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 11/19/2019 08:20 pm
I imported the above model into Unity, and added some minimal lights, controls and exterior colors.

Ace, that is totally "ace"!

First time I got a really good, visceral feeling of the actual size of the Starship. So many floors!!

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 11/19/2019 08:43 pm
I imported the above model into Unity, and added some minimal lights, controls and exterior colors. You can fly around the ship in 3-D, without worrying about collisions and the like (no physics). The main goal is to give you a more dynamic sense of what it would be like to be in that space.

It's a crude (yet functional) setup that could use some testing. I thought it was fun, so perhaps others will, too.

To run the model, unzip the attached file and run Starship.exe. You shouldn't need to install anything.

Controls:

Mouse - look around
WASD - forward/back/left/right
Space - up
Left CTRL - down
ESC - exit

To get started, fly up to one of the airlock doors, then go forward through the hull into Deck A. After that, you can move around on that deck, then move up to each of the other decks.

If there's enough interest, I can start a separate thread for discussion and feedback, so this one doesn't get cluttered.
Would it be possible to record a YouTube video of a walkthrough for folks who can't run installs?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 11/19/2019 08:44 pm
The cargo Starship render from NASA's web page.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ace on 11/19/2019 08:54 pm
Would it be possible to record a YouTube video of a walkthrough for folks who can't run installs?

Sure, I'll see what I can do.

However, you don't have to install anything to run it. Just unzip and run Starship.exe.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: psherriffs on 11/19/2019 10:46 pm
Would it be possible to record a YouTube video of a walkthrough for folks who can't run installs?

Sure, I'll see what I can do.

However, you don't have to install anything to run it. Just unzip and run Starship.exe.


For those of us who will have nothing to do with Windas
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: nevareth on 11/19/2019 11:57 pm

For those of us who will have nothing to do with Windas

Works with wine.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Stan-1967 on 11/20/2019 01:20 am
I'm really appreciating the folks here who are contributing such great work for the rest of us with no rendering skills to enjoy.  I wanted to share a link to a guy I just found on the Copenhagen suborbitals LinkedIn page who is doing renders of numerous different rockets, including SS/SH.  I think he is doing 3-D renders for VR use with Oculus type devices.  He does have a free demo, but is looking for Patreon supporters as well at his "Stanley Creative" site.  The free demo is a rather large file, I'm downloading currently to check out some of his better content.

https://gamejolt.com/games/rocketsvr/437651

He's on Youtube as well here:
https://youtu.be/Q6zdpYYPyic?list=PLSwFzH9XcAY25dOUvlcOf5jItlvUcOfRL&t=37

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 11/20/2019 02:35 pm
Hey hey, looks like I pulled off a successful print of Rafael's Raptor model! I did this at 40 percent scale with black 0.15 mm height PLA on a Monoprice MP Select Plus (rebrand of Wanhao I3). Gonna be really busy today so it might not be until later on that I can pull the supports off and/or pretty it up with sanding and filler primer.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 11/20/2019 10:29 pm
...and I just destroyed it. I mean, I wasn't really expecting any other outcome. I took the model and just turned it into an STL without any considerations for printing- that said, the print went excellently until I went to pull supports off and at that point all the pipes broke off. My recommendation to anyone looking to make this model printable is to use a series of extruded cuts in order to part out all the pipes and gimbal actuators, and maybe even the fuel rich preburner to make pulling supports off the combustion chamber easier. Still looks really cool, though!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hisdirt on 11/20/2019 10:40 pm
I agree - beautiful looking model even a little 'undone'.

Out of interest, whats the size of your print bed? Im keen to break my model into parts at some stage, Ive been thinking about what the best scale is:

1:1 = 1.3m x 3.2m high
1:10 = 130mmØ x 320mm high
1:25 = 52mmØ x 128mm high
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 11/20/2019 11:03 pm
I agree - beautiful looking model even a little 'undone'.

Out of interest, whats the size of your print bed? Im keen to break my model into parts at some stage, Ive been thinking about what the best scale is:

1:1 = 1.3m x 3.2m high
1:10 = 130mmØ x 320mm high
1:25 = 52mmØ x 128mm high

Monoprice lists this printer (the maker select plus aka Wanhao I3, apologies for that mistake earlier) as 7.9"×7.9"×7.1". I use the wanhao preset in Cura, so that might be more accurate. I don't have a ruler handy but this thing is probably a little over 4 inches tall (~10-11 cm) and that was at 40% of the default scaling produced when I used Solidworks to turn it into an STL.

Also in retrospect I should have gone with grey filament (as I've done with past prints of mine. grey prints don't really show off imperfections and layer lines like black prints do. I've included some of those as reference. Also, Starhopper!)

Edit: RIP Mark 1
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: gemmy0I on 11/21/2019 04:51 am
I imported the above model into Unity, and added some minimal lights, controls and exterior colors. You can fly around the ship in 3-D, without worrying about collisions and the like (no physics). The main goal is to give you a more dynamic sense of what it would be like to be in that space.

It's a crude (yet functional) setup that could use some testing. I thought it was fun, so perhaps others will, too.

To run the model, unzip the attached file and run Starship.exe. You shouldn't need to install anything.

Controls:

Mouse - look around
WASD - forward/back/left/right
Space - up
Left CTRL - down
ESC - exit

To get started, fly up to one of the airlock doors, then go forward through the hull into Deck A. After that, you can move around on that deck, then move up to each of the other decks.

If there's enough interest, I can start a separate thread for discussion and feedback, so this one doesn't get cluttered.
Seriously impressed with the work you've put into this - wow! Have had some experience with Unity myself and although it's great for stuff like this, I have an idea of the time it must've taken you to get this working. ;)

Had some trouble getting it to run, though - although that might be due to the environment I'm running it in. See attached screenshot. Unity is complaining that it "couldn't switch to requested monitor resolution". The weird thing is, this happened no matter what resolution I set the system to prior to running Starship.exe. (The reason for the anachronistically small 1024x768 in the screenshot is because I was running this in a virtual machine, although I subsequently tried 1600x1200 and 800x600 - same problem.)

For reference: I was attempting to run this in a Windows 7 32-bit virtual machine under Hyper-V (on a Windows 10 1903 64-bit host). This is a near-stock Win7 install with zero updates installed (not even SP1, I think). Probably not too representative of most people's systems who are running this, but thought you'd appreciate the bug report anyway.

Have you given any thoughts to open-sourcing this on GitHub or the like? I was running it in a VM only because I'm paranoid and don't like to run random .exe's (nothing personal :) ).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hisdirt on 11/21/2019 07:46 pm
Raptor model update attached.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/24/2019 12:59 pm
https://twitter.com/axm61/status/1198597983492886528

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Starship Mk1 1:100 from AXM Paper Models will be available today. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hisdirt on 11/28/2019 01:36 am
Updates to the Raptor model.

A couple of schematics can be found on the dedicated Raptor thread too:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47506.msg2020112#msg2020112 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47506.msg2020112#msg2020112)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/29/2019 04:42 pm
Like this. There’s a Starship in the background!

https://twitter.com/human_mars/status/1200468001369284608

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Poster of @Tesla #Cybertruck, pressurized edition, near a human base at Schiaparelli Crater on #Mars by American video game concept artist Darren Bacon @dbac0n. Note a @SpaceX cargo #Starship (the 3-legged Tin Tin edition) on launch pad at the base: humanmars.net/2019/11/poster…
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/12/2019 06:03 am
https://youtu.be/b2F4vifCSXk

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Published on 11 Dec 2019
SpaceX Starship Docking with the International Space Station to show size comparison. ISS crew capacity is generly 3-6 ,13 max at crew turnover, Starship crew and passengers up to 100 (citation needed).

Could Starship be the new Space Station or Space Hotel?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/03/2020 02:14 pm
https://twitter.com/gravitationinno/status/1213090247938101253

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New @spcex wallpapers are coming. More HD Wallpapers are ready to update on our official website.

https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper

Oh wow, lots more than I remember

Edit to add: couple of example wallpapers attached
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/06/2020 09:43 am
Now with some Tesla inspired renderings included

https://twitter.com/gravitationinno/status/1214132139870031872

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New #SpaceX render 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Please check out more wallpapers on
 buff.ly/2FfzNbp

https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 01/07/2020 04:35 pm
New poster of SpaceX's Starship entering Mars's atmosphere by Gravitation Innovation (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/01/poster-of-spacex-starship-entering-mars.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 01/07/2020 04:51 pm
It would be better without the UN flag  ???
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 01/07/2020 05:23 pm
Now with some Tesla inspired renderings included

https://twitter.com/gravitationinno/status/1214132139870031872

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New #SpaceX render 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Please check out more wallpapers on
 buff.ly/2FfzNbp

https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper

Fantastic!  I love it, it’s my new wallpaper.

We clearly need a real moonbase.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/17/2020 08:39 am
https://twitter.com/starshiprenders/status/1217982489592860672

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New interior is coming along well. #space @Erdayastronaut #spacex @elonmusk #starship #mars #cinema4d
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 01/18/2020 12:01 am
Just after separation
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: TorenAltair on 01/22/2020 09:02 am
Just after separation

One small thing: there won‘t be clouds at separation level.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tyrred on 01/22/2020 10:02 am
It would be better without the UN flag  ???

Yeah but think about the glorious future when there are no flags... 

Where there's no atmosphere to render them useful  :D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 01/22/2020 02:48 pm
Just after separation

One small thing: there won‘t be clouds at separation level.
Absolutely right.  It's the pretty reflections from the clouds on the Stainless that I just couldn't resist!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AJW on 01/23/2020 04:36 am
Just after separation

One small thing: there won‘t be clouds at separation level.
Absolutely right.  It's the pretty reflections from the clouds on the Stainless that I just couldn't resist!

Change the title to 'Starship High Altitude Test Flight' and I think you are good. 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/26/2020 12:38 am
https://youtu.be/srAAMhnVRlk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 01/26/2020 01:05 am
Excellent video thanks. 

I think that is the first major use for SS.  Lunar domination!

Now to get LOx production on the moon ramped up too.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ShaunML09 on 01/26/2020 01:20 am
Is the approach landing angle to the moon going to be that shallow? Not criticizing, just curious given the thrust to weight ratio for Raptor

Excellent video - thank you!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: M.E.T. on 01/26/2020 01:43 am
Great video. Looking at that though just reminds one that it looks so much more risky with a lander employing a tail rather than belly landing.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Keldor on 01/27/2020 09:12 pm
Great video. Looking at that though just reminds one that it looks so much more risky with a lander employing a tail rather than belly landing.

I strongly suspect that for a moon landing they'll use a different type of landing legs with a much wider base.  What we've seen SpaceX building thus far is intended for return to a prepared surface on Earth, which can be guaranteed to be flat and level and won't be damaged (much) by exhaust.

Different tools for different jobs.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rpapo on 01/28/2020 02:21 pm
Didn't anybody notice that in that video, every rocket was positioned on a small square pad of some hard substance?

Apart from that, I agree: the current landing gear arrangement for Starship isn't what I would call appropriate for landing on an unprepared surface, let alone on the Moon.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/08/2020 07:19 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1226229854904946688

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Every iteration of @SpaceX's #Starship since its unveiling in 2016. Whats next?
@Erdayastronaut @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/08/2020 07:23 pm
https://twitter.com/thirdrowtesla/status/1225913875989700609

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if Model X can tow a plane

Cybertruck can tow Starship

twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1226193793478799360

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Everything in this render is 99% to scale give or take couple of centimeters to each axis! Not counting the trailer of course, which is just made up since I didn't have any good references. 1/2

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1226193830879416322

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The perspective with long focal length plays major tricks here, making things look off proportions. Think this was shot at 250mm focal or something, cant remember exactly.

Here's a video example that looks more reasonable with 50mm focal: https://gfycat.com/maturepreciousjuliabutterfly 2/2
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/10/2020 05:59 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1226907503419691011

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Are you tired of these yet? I've got tons more if you'd like!

#Starship @elonmusk @spacex @Erdayastronaut
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/20/2020 04:36 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1230530889479749635

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With this rate of progression, #SpaceX will soon be building #Starship's like

@elonmusk @SpaceX @Erdayastronaut
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rpapo on 02/21/2020 10:18 am
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1230530889479749635

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With this rate of progression, #SpaceX will soon be building #Starship's like

@elonmusk @SpaceX @Erdayastronaut
And Musk himself "liked" this one.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 02/27/2020 01:10 am
I updated Mk1 schematics (not a normative technical drawing), actual drawing and dimensions didn't change, just better resolution, font size, annotations. Figured I'd just post it here

https://twitter.com/fael097/status/1232803320739307521
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 03/06/2020 10:35 am
Illuminated Starship :-)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/08/2020 03:23 pm
Nice ...

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1236687437021224961

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So I was looking around the 1.8bn pixel #Mars panorama @NASA put out a while ago and I cant believe my eyes!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: MrFlippant on 03/08/2020 10:24 pm
I have no PS skills; but if someone could do a render of a Starship that's been through re-entry a couple of times and developed a nice rainbow-coloring along the +Z edges of the heat shield, that'd be cool.

Bonus points for a pre-flown SS/SH stack on the pad, turning frosty-white as fuel is loaded, with the aforementioned heated-stainless-rainbow-coloring along the edge of the heat shield intermixed with the frosty white ;D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/16/2020 04:41 pm
https://twitter.com/erdayastronaut/status/1239595527114838018

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Here's a scale comparison I never really saw coming!!! Makes you realize JUST HOW BIG Starship will be! Pictured is the Falcon 9 w/Crew Dragon, Atlas V w/Starliner, Soyuz, Starship, a Boeing 747-8F and a Boeing 737-800. YES, these are to scale!!!

Edit to add:

twitter.com/fael097/status/1239600646560657408

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I just want to mention that if this Superheavy was modeled based on my schematic, those fins are 45° out of place😂. I did it like that so one of them would be facing the camera, and I would be able to dimension them better, but they are out of alignment relative to the legs🚀

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1239670315657187330

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Hey Rafael, I absolutely love your work and what you do here for the community. I wish these were done after your schematics, would've made modeling 100x faster! Currently these are based on videos and photos that SpaceXhas put out :) Good catch on the legs, will update them!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/17/2020 12:38 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1239722255355121664

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So #SpaceX Starship just got a small update to its Superheavy booster, by 2 meters 😉
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Now Superheavy is exactly as tall as the two operational Falcon rockets! So here's an updated render of the SpaceX family! (excluding Falcon 1🤷‍♂️)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2020 09:25 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1245994618329739264

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I guess this will be SN4 *maybe*, but definitely not SN3. Bummer... Do you think SN4 will fly @elonmusk? #Starship #SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/10/2020 12:55 pm
https://youtu.be/o9dWWQTW8Uk

https://youtu.be/H1hs1aj4lvM
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/11/2020 10:09 pm
Had more time during stay at home orders to dust off the computer and do some modeling. I am a big fan of Rafael's diagrams and I wondered what it would look like to create a transparent starship body so the bulkheads and internals could be seen. Rafael, I used your 2d diagram as a reference for proportions and pictures from the SpaceX website and Mary's pictures for detail. Any comments or criticism welcome! Heat tiles and a cargo hatch are the next projects.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: CrazyHorse80 on 04/12/2020 09:28 am
Any comments or criticism welcome! Heat tiles and a cargo hatch are the next projects.

Great work! It's really nice! Could I suggest you to refine your engines' model? It's the thing it seems less quality than the rest of the model. But, indeed, good job!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/12/2020 02:37 pm
Totally agree. I modeled them in about 2 minutes as a stand-in until I can find time to do a real raptor model. Those are by far the most complicated part of the entire rocket so it might take a while!

I also want to unwrap the UVs and get some weld seams and color variation textures on the steel.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: woods170 on 04/12/2020 04:33 pm
Totally agree. I modeled them in about 2 minutes as a stand-in until I can find time to do a real raptor model. Those are by far the most complicated part of the entire rocket so it might take a while!

I also want to unwrap the UVs and get some weld seams and color variation textures on the steel.

Great work.

Be prepared to make changes to (particularly) the wings. The design of those is being refined. Changes will make themselves known at Boca Chica pretty soon.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/12/2020 07:01 pm
https://youtu.be/XwxhVDExlFw

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This short video shows a virtual flight over the Starship Assembly area in Boca Chica, TX on April 12th, 2020. It is kept as simple as possible with major focus on BUILDINGS, JIGS and STARSHIP-Parts. For future updates, please support my work via https://www.paypal.me/alexrexdesign
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Guillerz on 04/12/2020 11:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwxhVDExlFw

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This short video shows a virtual flight over the Starship Assembly area in Boca Chica, TX on April 12th, 2020. It is kept as simple as possible with major focus on BUILDINGS, JIGS and STARSHIP-Parts. For future updates, please support my work via https://www.paypal.me/alexrexdesign
Very nice work, perhaps I miss a way to apréciate the scale, for example, zoom in into a person and zoom out to full view.


Enviado desde mi iPad utilizando Tapatalk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/13/2020 04:34 pm
https://twitter.com/gravitationinno/status/1249704153649221633

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Starship SN4 is now undergoing full stacking operations inside the VAB/Large Windbreak at SpaceX Boca Chica! Meanwhile, bulkheads for SN5 are being built already. Enjoy some Starship rendering wallpapers we made.

Some new renders I think since last posted here:

https://www.gravitationinnovation.com/wallpaper

A couple of renders attached
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/17/2020 07:18 am
https://youtu.be/5VScHwy1jxU

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Welcome to a special release!

This is not one of my regular Episodes. This is a fan made animated short movie inspired by the SpaceX posters! Enjoy and show your love for Vantage-Films, who kindly chose my channel to debut the SpaceX short movie on YouTube!

Full project : https://www.behance.net/gallery/83187...

After reading Elon Musk's biography by Ashlee Vance and seeing the Mars Travel posters we were really inspired. We fell in love with the retro futuristic Mars landscapes depicted in the posters and decided to bring them to life. Our challenge was to create a storyline that could compliment the style of the posters yet be interesting, unexpected and fun.

Currently, we continue to follow our passion of making artwork dedicated to the future of technology and space exploration. We hope that with our animation we will get SpaceX and Elon to create some new posters and one day invite us on a trip to Mars!

Directed by Vasil Hnatiuk https://www.vantage-films.com/
3D animation Dennis Sibilev https://www.behance.net/TheSibilev
2D animation Andrei Myshev https://vimeo.com/myshev
Additional animation Mariia Tyapkina https://vimeo.com/user86357380 and Marina Patrakeeva https://vimeo.com/user96083712
Sound Design Juan Borda http://bordasound.com/
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/17/2020 01:02 pm
I know we are now expecting the aero to change, but oh well! It gives us something to work on  :D

Added heat shield and some other details like horizontal weld lines. It has a cargo hatch (clamshell) but I was having problems with rendering the interior of the fairing so I closed it.

Oh, and a render of the skirt. Raptors are still placeholders.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: MrWeezy on 04/18/2020 02:39 pm
Made a 3d Model of the buildsite, not the best I know as I'm just starting off.
Hope you still enjoy!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/18/2020 06:17 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue2YB_kRmQE

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Published on 12 Apr 2020
My first animation and My 2012 Quad core isn't happy about it
Let's hope to see this launch soon.
Created by me @OrbitalWedge on twitter. Free to use in videos

As of recent it seems SN4 will not have flight control surfaces the title has been changed to reflect this.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: MrWeezy on 04/19/2020 08:32 pm
Played around with Blender today
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: MrWeezy on 04/19/2020 08:58 pm
another one
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 04/19/2020 09:00 pm
SpaceX Super Heavy landing burn by Roger Bootsma (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/04/spacex-super-heavy-landing-burn-by.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 04/19/2020 09:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue2YB_kRmQE

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Published on 12 Apr 2020
My first animation and My 2012 Quad core isn't happy about it
Let's hope to see this launch soon.
Created by me @OrbitalWedge on twitter. Free to use in videos

As of recent it seems SN4 will not have flight control surfaces the title has been changed to reflect this.

Great job! - I like the "human" shaky camerawork. The view from above during fin movements - an "impossible angle" - throws you a bit out of the illusion of seeing a real broadcast.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/19/2020 11:24 pm
https://youtu.be/6h6BP_cSNPs
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/20/2020 07:36 am
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1252139904450035713

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This OK but with ortho and transparent bg?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/20/2020 12:48 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1252207193178476553

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I done did it @Erdayastronaut 🤷‍♂️👨‍🚀🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 04/20/2020 03:03 pm
everyone forgot that the starhopper has 3 engine mounts
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: edzieba on 04/21/2020 12:33 pm
everyone forgot that the starhopper has 3 engine mounts
It had 3 mockup engines (old dev models with large bell extensions slid on) tucked under there for a photo op, but only one mount plumbed for use by an actual functional Raptor engine.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 04/21/2020 03:09 pm
everyone forgot that the starhopper has 3 engine mounts
It had 3 mockup engines (old dev models with large bell extensions slid on) tucked under there for a photo op, but only one mount plumbed for use by an actual functional Raptor engine.

proof?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: edzieba on 04/21/2020 03:32 pm
everyone forgot that the starhopper has 3 engine mounts
It had 3 mockup engines (old dev models with large bell extensions slid on) tucked under there for a photo op, but only one mount plumbed for use by an actual functional Raptor engine.

proof?
- Elon himself confirmed the trio installed for the photo-op were non-flight dev articles, and looking at the photos it's immediately obvious the bell extensions aren't even attached.
- Hopper flew with one live engine mount
- Post-flight 'upskirt' photos of Hopper show only one mount
- Hopper has not been shipped back to the build site for major rework to cut the bulkhead for more mounts and fit additional downcomer branches
- No significant work on Hopper at the launch site has been observed beyond hanging some speakers on it.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/21/2020 03:57 pm
Here is a new render. Still a work in progress. I just retopologized the whole fairing to clean up the clamshell seam and you can see a couple pinching artifacts, but largely looks good I think.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 04/21/2020 04:22 pm
- Elon himself confirmed the trio installed for the photo-op were non-flight dev articles, and looking at the photos it's immediately obvious the bell extensions aren't even attached.
- Hopper flew with one live engine mount
- Post-flight 'upskirt' photos of Hopper show only one mount
- Hopper has not been shipped back to the build site for major rework to cut the bulkhead for more mounts and fit additional downcomer branches
- No significant work on Hopper at the launch site has been observed beyond hanging some speakers on it.

That doesn't prove anything and there are no 'upskirt' photos of hopper.

but there was tweet about 3 engines on hopper

twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1107365369168056320 (http://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1107365369168056320)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: MrWeezy on 04/21/2020 04:39 pm
- Elon himself confirmed the trio installed for the photo-op were non-flight dev articles, and looking at the photos it's immediately obvious the bell extensions aren't even attached.
- Hopper flew with one live engine mount
- Post-flight 'upskirt' photos of Hopper show only one mount
- Hopper has not been shipped back to the build site for major rework to cut the bulkhead for more mounts and fit additional downcomer branches
- No significant work on Hopper at the launch site has been observed beyond hanging some speakers on it.

That doesn't prove anything and there are no 'upskirt' photos of hopper.

but there was tweet about 3 engines on hopper

twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1107365369168056320 (http://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1107365369168056320)

Actually, there are several upskirt pics of hopper. Were taken by a person illegally jumping over the fence and going up close.
That happend the day after Elon's presentation if I remember correctly.
On the pictures one can clearly see that there is only one engine mount.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/21/2020 06:39 pm
Here is a new render. Still a work in progress. I just retopologized the whole fairing to clean up the clamshell seam and you can see a couple pinching artifacts, but largely looks good I think.

One detail. The leeward side of the fins will most probably not have TPS tiles. TPS on the top may actually increase the internal temperature of the fins by not allowing radiation from the top surface. The bottom and edges will have TPS.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/21/2020 07:00 pm
Here is a new render. Still a work in progress. I just retopologized the whole fairing to clean up the clamshell seam and you can see a couple pinching artifacts, but largely looks good I think.

One detail. The leeward side of the fins will most probably not have TPS tiles. TPS on the top may actually increase the internal temperature of the fins by not allowing radiation from the top surface. The bottom and edges will have TPS.

John

Thanks John! That did occur to me as well (mostly because of the added weight and lack of heating on that side, not the increase in temp). I need to redo the TPS texture anyway because it looks like SpaceX is toying with tiles that have no exposed holes and have sharper edges.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hisdirt on 04/21/2020 08:50 pm
Thought Id post some updated images from my Raptor model here aswell.

Quick note - if anyone needs an FBX version of this model for use in their renders, here is a link (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6aayo5ewo5k3nfu/19-12-19%20Raptor%20engine.fbx?dl=0).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/22/2020 01:43 pm
Thought Id post some updated images from my Raptor model here aswell.

Quick note - if anyone needs an FBX version of this model for use in their renders, here is a link (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6aayo5ewo5k3nfu/19-12-19%20Raptor%20engine.fbx?dl=0).

Hisdirt, that is a really awesome Raptor model! Thanks for sharing with the community :) I got your PM too, thanks.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/22/2020 01:47 pm
Updated Starship render. It is starting to come together. I just realized that the fairing above the bulkhead doesn't need weld reinforcement strips. Dang it! I reused the texture from the tanks and forgot to take it off. I guess they aren't needed on the engine skirt either.   ::)

John, for your viewing pleasure, I have removed TPS from the windward side of the flaps :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: CrazyHorse80 on 04/22/2020 03:42 pm
Updated Starship render. It is starting to come together. I just realized that the fairing above the bulkhead doesn't need weld reinforcement strips. Dang it! I reused the texture from the tanks and forgot to take it off. I guess they aren't needed on the engine skirt either.   ::)

John, for your viewing pleasure, I have removed TPS from the windward side of the flaps :)

I think you could add a bit of TPS covering to the leeward side of the nose tip at least to the extent of the nose header tank (similar to what can be seen on the Space Shuttle), am I wrong?

EDIT: you should add a bit of TPS to the leading edges of all fins and chines, too...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/22/2020 07:54 pm
Updated Starship render. It is starting to come together. I just realized that the fairing above the bulkhead doesn't need weld reinforcement strips. Dang it! I reused the texture from the tanks and forgot to take it off. I guess they aren't needed on the engine skirt either.   ::)

John, for your viewing pleasure, I have removed TPS from the windward side of the flaps :)

I think you could add a bit of TPS covering to the leeward side of the nose tip at least to the extent of the nose header tank (similar to what can be seen on the Space Shuttle), am I wrong?

EDIT: you should add a bit of TPS to the leading edges of all fins and chines, too...

Concur.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/22/2020 09:39 pm
Updated Starship render. It is starting to come together. I just realized that the fairing above the bulkhead doesn't need weld reinforcement strips. Dang it! I reused the texture from the tanks and forgot to take it off. I guess they aren't needed on the engine skirt either.   ::)

John, for your viewing pleasure, I have removed TPS from the windward side of the flaps :)

I think you could add a bit of TPS covering to the leeward side of the nose tip at least to the extent of the nose header tank (similar to what can be seen on the Space Shuttle), am I wrong?

EDIT: you should add a bit of TPS to the leading edges of all fins and chines, too...

Concur.

John

Thanks dudes, will do. I have a few questions -
1.) The TPS does extend onto the leeward nose just a bit, but it ends where the clamshell door opens, as seen on the official SpaceX renders in the Starship user guide. Would you think that they would extend onto the clamshell door near the nose?
2.) Also, the TPS on my render wraps all the way around the chines and terminates where the leeward side of the chines meets the tank body. Is this good, or should it extend onto the leeward tank at all?
3.) It is hard to see from the angles I have posted so far, but the TPS goes about 2/3 of the way up the edges of each flap but does not wrap around onto the leeward side. Thoughts?

Also, I did some texture work today on the skirt area. Fixed the reinforcement welds (by removing them), did some photoshop magic to rip the tiny tack weld dots and leg reinforcement welds from one of Mary's up close photos of SN3, and made the whole body slightly shinier. Comments and criticism welcome. I am secretly aiming to have the best SS model out there, so feel free to help me do that by suggesting changes.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/22/2020 11:47 pm
Another angle with the new texture work.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hoardsbane on 04/23/2020 06:21 am
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Also, I did some texture work today on the skirt area. Fixed the reinforcement welds (by removing them), did some photoshop magic to rip the tiny tack weld dots and leg reinforcement welds from one of Mary's up close photos of SN3, and made the whole body slightly shinier. Comments and criticism welcome. I am secretly aiming to have the best SS model out there, so feel free to help me do that by suggesting changes.

Firstly your render is amazing and beautiful!

However, if you really do want to go even further, here are my suggestions:

o    You could consider adding ports for the RCS (Reaction Control System) thrusters
o    Similarly there are vents for (at least) the two main tanks and the LOX header tank
o    There are access ports on the main LOX and LCH4 tanks, and presumably also low on the fairing

All of this stuff is already on the prototypes and reasonably unlikely to change.  It is also pretty clear in various photos on this site.  I couldn't see on your images, but the TPS (tiles) texture is also already known (see photos from site) and seems not to have changed since Starhopper.

Finally, I'm not an expert and others will know better, but I'd guess that the TPS tiles would cover the edge of the flaps and wrap around at least 4" (total guess but based on consideration of exposure of the edges to heating), and smoothly around the nose for a couple of meters (again guess, but I'd think there will be some extension onto the lee side).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: CrazyHorse80 on 04/23/2020 08:56 am
Thanks dudes, will do. I have a few questions -
1.) The TPS does extend onto the leeward nose just a bit, but it ends where the clamshell door opens, as seen on the official SpaceX renders in the Starship user guide. Would you think that they would extend onto the clamshell door near the nose?
2.) Also, the TPS on my render wraps all the way around the chines and terminates where the leeward side of the chines meets the tank body. Is this good, or should it extend onto the leeward tank at all?
3.) It is hard to see from the angles I have posted so far, but the TPS goes about 2/3 of the way up the edges of each flap but does not wrap around onto the leeward side. Thoughts?

Also, I did some texture work today on the skirt area. Fixed the reinforcement welds (by removing them), did some photoshop magic to rip the tiny tack weld dots and leg reinforcement welds from one of Mary's up close photos of SN3, and made the whole body slightly shinier. Comments and criticism welcome. I am secretly aiming to have the best SS model out there, so feel free to help me do that by suggesting changes.

Here we go! :D
1) IANARS (not even a simple engineer for what it matters), but Elon himself said the nose LOX header tank is there to stay in all versions, including crewed ones, and the one we saw was a drop-shaped one rougly extending to the point where the fore fins join the body of SS. So I think the TPS cover should extend to that imaginary line.
2) IANARS, again, but I think it should be enough not to cover the leeward side of the body and I think also you can skip TPS covering over the leeward side of the chines next to the fins. Maybe you have to cover in TPS only a few tens of cm of this space near the leading edge of it (the fore side of them).
3) I think it should go to a few tens of cm of its leeward side. Again I suggest to get some inspiration from Space Shuttle' photos.
In general I like your render, so, please, continue to make it better! ;) Good job!

EDIT to add: I think the clamshell door is not going to be like the one on the userguide but it'll end up being a little bit shorter, to where the fore fins join the body or even slightly more.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/23/2020 01:40 pm
If you are using hemispheric edges on your controls, I would show the entire hemisphere as TPS. Remember all the edges need to be covered.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 04/23/2020 04:16 pm
2.) Also, the TPS on my render wraps all the way around the chines and terminates where the leeward side of the chines meets the tank body. Is this good, or should it extend onto the leeward tank at all?

The lee side of the chines will probably need TPS, except where they will be shadowed by the flaps. Everything well into the lee of the flaps will be relatively cool compared to areas near the windward side.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/23/2020 07:36 pm
Thanks all. I will work on some changes. Do we have any confirmation of what the RCS will look like other than the F9 pods they slapped on starhopper? I recall there were some embedded ones on MK1 but couldn't find a quick picture.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 04/23/2020 08:32 pm
Thanks all. I will work on some changes. Do we have any confirmation of what the RCS will look like other than the F9 pods they slapped on starhopper? I recall there were some embedded ones on MK1 but couldn't find a quick picture.



Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 04/23/2020 08:47 pm
Thanks all. I will work on some changes. Do we have any confirmation of what the RCS will look like other than the F9 pods they slapped on starhopper? I recall there were some embedded ones on MK1 but couldn't find a quick picture.

That's TPS, not RCS.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 04/23/2020 08:53 pm
Thanks all. I will work on some changes. Do we have any confirmation of what the RCS will look like other than the F9 pods they slapped on starhopper? I recall there were some embedded ones on MK1 but couldn't find a quick picture.

final version should look like the dragon capsules, or the space shuttle

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/23/2020 11:29 pm
Thanks all. I will work on some changes. Do we have any confirmation of what the RCS will look like other than the F9 pods they slapped on starhopper? I recall there were some embedded ones on MK1 but couldn't find a quick picture.

A lot of them will probably be worked into the chine fairing both for and aft. Some on the leeside as well. I would guess all flush mounted.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/24/2020 08:26 pm
Okay, by suggestion I have added heat tiles to the leeward side of the fins on the edges, added heat tiles to the tip of the nose a la space shuttle, and shortened the cargo bay door to accommodate nose tiles. Redid UV mapping on the nose since I didn't like the texture seam right down the middle. Added the nose header tank but no plumbing anywhere yet.

I also redid the heat tile texture. For 3d nerds that are curious, I originally baked a normal map from a tiling hex model that I made. Normal maps rely on the angles of the high res surface you are baking, so good normal maps usually have very rounded/slanted edges. The new tiles from Mary's photos have pretty crisp edges and no holes, which don't work well with normal mapping, so instead I created new tiles and baked them into a displacement map which actually makes the geometry protrude outwards from the surface at render time rather than just "faking it" like a normal map. Looks much better IMO.

Next: working on the reaction control thrusters and either reinforcement bands in the cargo bay or a proper fairing interior. Suggestions for the fairing interior (with pics) please!

Other suggestions or changes ?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/24/2020 08:53 pm
Okay, by suggestion I have added heat tiles to the leeward side of the fins on the edges, added heat tiles to the tip of the nose a la space shuttle, and shortened the cargo bay door to accommodate nose tiles. Redid UV mapping on the nose since I didn't like the texture seam right down the middle. Added the nose header tank but no plumbing anywhere yet.

I also redid the heat tile texture. For 3d nerds that are curious, I originally baked a normal map from a tiling hex model that I made. Normal maps rely on the angles of the high res surface you are baking, so good normal maps usually have very rounded/slanted edges. The new tiles from Mary's photos have pretty crisp edges and no holes, which don't work well with normal mapping, so instead I created new tiles and baked them into a displacement map which actually makes the geometry protrude outwards from the surface at render time rather than just "faking it" like a normal map. Looks much better IMO.

Next: working on the reaction control thrusters and either reinforcement bands in the cargo bay or a proper fairing interior. Suggestions for the fairing interior (with pics) please!

Other suggestions or changes ?

- Most likely standard stringers and frames, but will be covered with insulation blankets, probably white to reflect solar radiation.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/24/2020 08:57 pm
For the door, how about weld telltale showing from the stringers. Really nice work.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/24/2020 09:34 pm
For the door, how about weld telltale showing from the stringers. Really nice work.

John

Thanks John! Thanks for the pictures as well. You mean put the weld marks on the exterior indicating that there are stringers welded inside? If yes, should be easy enough!

SpaceX won't waste the time or money grinding and polishing the exterior of the Starship, right? It is going to be 99% reflective on leeward side aside from the weld marks.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/24/2020 09:43 pm
For the door, how about weld telltale showing from the stringers. Really nice work.

John

Thanks John! Thanks for the pictures as well. You mean put the weld marks on the exterior indicating that there are stringers welded inside? If yes, should be easy enough!

SpaceX won't waste the time or money grinding and polishing the exterior of the Starship, right? It is going to be 99% reflective on leeward side aside from the weld marks.

Yes
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/24/2020 10:02 pm
Don’t think these are on the forum any where?

https://twitter.com/hisdirtremoves/status/1253088287943618560

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And here is the schematic, (hopefully) explaining how the engine works. Thanks to the clever minds @NASASpaceflight and @Erdayastronaut

twitter.com/hisdirtremoves/status/1253087333655515136

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@elonmusk Ive posted my 51-part model of @SpaceX #raptor engine on @thingiverse, complete with assembly instructions. Post your prints everyone!

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4302461

https://p3d.in/ORue9
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: picardo on 04/25/2020 09:24 am
I love to see some renders/drawings  from inside the crewversion of spaceship .. I am curious about how to fit 100 people in there.. anyone a idea ?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/25/2020 01:57 pm
I love to see some renders/drawings  from inside the crewversion of spaceship .. I am curious about how to fit 100 people in there.. anyone a idea ?

There have been many suggested interiors over the last year or so. Unfortunately I don't know an easy way of searching for or viewing pictures on this website. Does anyone have an approach that's easier than laboriously searching through all the old posts for attached pictures?

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: steveleach on 04/25/2020 02:34 pm
I love to see some renders/drawings  from inside the crewversion of spaceship .. I am curious about how to fit 100 people in there.. anyone a idea ?

There have been many suggested interiors over the last year or so. Unfortunately I don't know an easy way of searching for or viewing pictures on this website. Does anyone have an approach that's easier than laboriously searching through all the old posts for attached pictures?

John
It's easier to search the Internet than the forums sometimes.

Try https://www.humanmars.net/2019/11/spacex-starship-interior-concept-for.html
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/26/2020 02:21 am
Alright space nerds. Here is my Starship rendered with a transparent body so you can see what's cooking inside. I recently added the stringers and frames to the fairing that John recommended. Hard to know exact spacing since it is theoretical but I did 24 stringers and a frame every 1 meter.

The stringers in the skirt are intersecting with the bulkhead/thrust structure. I will have to fix that.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: picardo on 04/26/2020 09:12 am
Nice …..
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: tuomasn81 on 04/27/2020 01:23 pm
Looks great, reminds me of the SpaceX 2017 BFR cutaway! One minor note: the battery pack is located on the +Z (leeward/up) axis (should be rotated 90 degrees to the right on your model). This can be seen for example in Elon's tweeted aerial view of SN4. Makes also sense from a mass distribution point.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/27/2020 03:24 pm
8)

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1254775063389237253

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Heres SN05 (or SN06?) ahead of its 20km test launch, perhaps a few weeks from now? Or a month or two? Place your bets 🚀

Probably my most time consuming & elaborate SpaceX edit yet! Original pic from @elonmusk
#SpaceX #Starship #Technology #Future #Mars #ElonMusk

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1254776234355027973

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Had to take this even further as well:

Heres a #Starship which could be around SN10? Cleaner body, top window, etc. Altho 100% expecting the design to change - we already know the wings have a bit.

@elonmusk Hows this looking?

 #SpaceX #Technology #Mars

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1254777466234630147

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Comparison with the original photo posted by Elon a few days ago. #SpaceX #Starship #Photoediting
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/28/2020 02:42 am
Under construction...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 04/28/2020 03:47 am
Figured I'd post this here
https://twitter.com/fael097/status/1254979932410830855

P.S. full resolution in .png since it's just <800kb, hope it's ok
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: redliox on 04/28/2020 06:12 am
When the time comes to establish the windows or likewise the cargo bay hatch, will cutting the hull to make the accommodations be much of an issue?  I presume since the space shuttle had both along with numerous fuel tanks (for the RCS thrusters) that it wouldn't be impossible.  Could anything alter either modification?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/28/2020 06:41 am
Well, it looks like a render - amazing print

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1254962787274510337

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Lunch break = time to add a couple more layers of undercoat to my Starhopper model. A bit more work and some hand painting and this print is finished.
#SpaceX #Starhopper #3Dprinting

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1254990701470707712

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Hoppy in the spray booth earlier. Smoothing up those PLA layers and prepping for chrome.
#3dprinting #DIY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: enbandi on 04/28/2020 09:48 am
I love to see some renders/drawings  from inside the crewversion of spaceship .. I am curious about how to fit 100 people in there.. anyone a idea ?

There have been many suggested interiors over the last year or so. Unfortunately I don't know an easy way of searching for or viewing pictures on this website. Does anyone have an approach that's easier than laboriously searching through all the old posts for attached pictures?

John


Maybe this will do the trick (https://www.google.hu/search?q=site:forum.nasaspaceflight.com+interior+starship&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Alex Delderfield on 04/28/2020 11:39 am
Well, it looks like a render - amazing print


Thanks!

Came here to post the Starship edit/render I worked on, but I see Im far too slow  :D

Working on another edit currently, should be done in a day or two.

In the meantime, Alita Battleship:
https://twitter.com/Alex_ADEdge/status/1255035840696217601
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/28/2020 05:02 pm
Real-time Starship launch preparations  ;)

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1255159983295074308
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: topopesto on 04/28/2020 05:49 pm
Alright space nerds. Here is my Starship rendered with a transparent body so you can see what's cooking inside. I recently added the stringers and frames to the fairing that John recommended. Hard to know exact spacing since it is theoretical but I did 24 stringers and a frame every 1 meter.

The stringers in the skirt are intersecting with the bulkhead/thrust structure. I will have to fix that.

Very beautiful and interesting drawing.  This design allows you to clearly understand how Starship is done internally.
 Do not have the tanker a reinforcement structure in said?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/28/2020 05:57 pm
Alright space nerds. Here is my Starship rendered with a transparent body so you can see what's cooking inside. I recently added the stringers and frames to the fairing that John recommended. Hard to know exact spacing since it is theoretical but I did 24 stringers and a frame every 1 meter.

The stringers in the skirt are intersecting with the bulkhead/thrust structure. I will have to fix that.

Very beautiful and interesting drawing.  This design allows you to clearly understand how Starship is done internally.
 Do not have the tanker a reinforcement structure in said?

Thanks, friend! No, to my knowledge the actual tanks do not have any wall reinforcements in them. The steel rings of the tanks are strong enough to support the weight of the Starship while unpressurized, and they become extremely strong once they are pressurized.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aceshigh on 04/28/2020 09:25 pm
Figured I'd post this here
https://twitter.com/fael097/status/1254979932410830855

P.S. full resolution in .png since it's just <800kb, hope it's ok

as very few people can paint CHROME, I guess most people will just paint it gray... which will be quite a boring painting.

 :D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/28/2020 10:55 pm
https://youtu.be/siJ2SUKLOB8
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/29/2020 02:23 am
Raptor is not an easy model. I am impressed with Callum and Rafael for their amazing renditions. Here is an update.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 04/29/2020 02:29 am
Raptor is not an easy model. I am impressed with Callum and Rafael for their amazing renditions. Here is an update.

TBH I'm impressed with Callum myself too, he went for even more detail than I could, it looks pretty amazing. I still hope someday I'll find some time and detail my model even further.

Your nozzle is looking pretty great too, I see some rounding effect on intersections, which is interesting as it looks like it isn't part of the geometry. May I ask what software and render engine you're using?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hisdirt on 04/29/2020 04:54 am
Raptor is not an easy model. I am impressed with Callum and Rafael for their amazing renditions. Here is an update.
We are all standing on the shoulders of giants! Youre getting a much higher poly count than I was, and your pipes look a little more 'freeform' which is more accurate than my model.

Looking forward to seeing how your model progresses!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/29/2020 01:20 pm

TBH I'm impressed with Callum myself too, he went for even more detail than I could, it looks pretty amazing. I still hope someday I'll find some time and detail my model even further.

Your nozzle is looking pretty great too, I see some rounding effect on intersections, which is interesting as it looks like it isn't part of the geometry. May I ask what software and render engine you're using?

Maya. If you mean you can't see the faceting of the polygons on the edges of the model, I'm not sure. I thought I might have had smooth mesh turned on (non-destructive sub-d) but the wireframe shader was only showing the actual low-poly mesh, but I just looked and smoothing was not turned on when I rendered it. You can see the faceting at the bottom edge of the bell.

I haven't decided if I am going whole hog like Callum or just adding some of the main structures so it is more that just a bell and a pipe like my previous stand-in. I was originally just going to do a mid-detail model so it would look better for up-skirt renders. It is bothering me that it is so hard to see what the top 1/3 of the Raptor looks like underneath all of the wiring and piping. I know there is a lot of cast or machined metal in there and a lot of bolts, I haven't found any clear references. Hisdirt, how did you get so much detail in the upper sections? Did you find better references, or just a healthy dose of educated guessing?


We are all standing on the shoulders of giants! Youre getting a much higher poly count than I was, and your pipes look a little more 'freeform' which is more accurate than my model.

Looking forward to seeing how your model progresses!

That we are my friend. Yeah, pipes are challenging in Maya and require a lot of tweaking. I know there are some plug-ins that have been developed to make it easier, but I am still doing it the OG way right now: Taking a circular plane (ripped off of a cylinder) and extruding it along a curve/spline. The nice thing is that after you extrude, you can still tweak the curve points and it automatically updates the extruded polys to follow the shape.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: T-Space on 04/30/2020 05:26 pm
Just seen this from the Human Landers for Artemis Moon Missions NASA's on site
 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-selects-blue-origin-dynetics-spacex-for-artemis-human-landers (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-selects-blue-origin-dynetics-spacex-for-artemis-human-landers)

Credit: NASA and SpaceX

Edit: Spelling
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: alhenry1231 on 04/30/2020 05:33 pm
Here is a higher resolution image.

Edit:
image from
https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1255902522792988672
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nomadd on 04/30/2020 06:12 pm
 I don't know if this has popped up anywhere, but it's on the office trailer at the Boca Chica emergency center. (Maria's old place)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 04/30/2020 06:51 pm
All right you guys, get busy rendering the new design. Should be a piece of cake. Come on what are you waiting on!  :^)

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 04/30/2020 09:17 pm
Another "lunar optimized Starship" render from SpaceX's Twitter profile:  (https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1255907213568208896)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 05/01/2020 02:05 am
https://twitter.com/Caspar_Stanley/status/1256000490644570115
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: kdhilliard on 05/01/2020 04:01 am
Render request: Could one of our artists scale down the Dynetics and National Team entries (using astronaut size for scale) and paste them into the Lunar Starship image to give us a good size comparison?

Edit: And throw in a LEM for good measure.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 05/01/2020 04:45 am
Just seen this from the Human Landers for Artemis Moon Missions NASA's on site
 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-selects-blue-origin-dynetics-spacex-for-artemis-human-landers (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-selects-blue-origin-dynetics-spacex-for-artemis-human-landers)

Credit: NASA and SpaceX

Edit: Spelling

Oh my god, this is massive. Confirmation of a lunar-specific Starship variant?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _----_- on 05/01/2020 05:06 am
Render request: Could one of our artists scale down the Dynetics and National Team entries (using astronaut size for scale) and paste them into the Lunar Starship image to give us a good size comparison?

This was done on a Reddit thread over here (https://reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/gb6bd4/one_of_these_is_not_like_the_other_to_scale_using/)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/01/2020 02:20 pm
All right you guys, get busy rendering the new design. Should be a piece of cake. Come on what are you waiting on!  :^)

John

Ugh, I just couldn't get the render done before bed last night. Here is the WIP model. Still need to add textures, RCS thrusters, solar panels, and an elevator:) I will post an update once those are done.

I haven't seen anybody mention this yet, but the tip of the nose looks flattened. Any chance that they put the docking adapter in the nose to simplify rendezvous with gateway/orion? It seems feasible given that they might not need the header tank in the nose if its never coming back to earth...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 05/01/2020 02:45 pm
All right you guys, get busy rendering the new design. Should be a piece of cake. Come on what are you waiting on!  :^)

John

Ugh, I just couldn't get the render done before bed last night. Here is the WIP model. Still need to add textures, RCS thrusters, solar panels, and an elevator:) I will post an update once those are done.

I haven't seen anybody mention this yet, but the tip of the nose looks flattened. Any chance that they put the docking adapter in the nose to simplify rendezvous with gateway/orion? It seems feasible given that they might not need the header tank in the nose if its never coming back to earth...
I believe the going theory is that Lunar Starship will indeed have a Dragon 2 nose with docking port, along with Dragon 2 trunk style solar panels (the black area around the docking port) and Draco (not Super Draco) thrusters.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 05/01/2020 03:23 pm
...and Draco (not Super Draco) thrusters.

The selection statement said that SpaceX's RCS system was complex and a schedule risk, which hardly sounds like Draco.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Gliderflyer on 05/01/2020 03:31 pm
I don't know if this has popped up anywhere, but it's on the office trailer at the Boca Chica emergency center. (Maria's old place)

Looks like Super Heavy now has Falcon 9 style legs.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/01/2020 03:42 pm
Updated Moon SS render, now with textures added for extra flavor. Hmmm... How to create the silicon look of solar panels with textures & shaders.

Comments/criticisms welcome. Still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: groknull on 05/01/2020 05:00 pm
https://twitter.com/Caspar_Stanley/status/1256000490644570115

Rafael,

Are you rendering 4 sets of 3 landing thusters?

From the released images I'm wondering if there are actually 3 sets of 3 in the design, lining up with the 6-fold symmetry of most aspects of Starship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 05/01/2020 06:56 pm
Rafael,

Are you rendering 4 sets of 3 landing thusters?

From the released images I'm wondering if there are actually 3 sets of 3 in the design, lining up with the 6-fold symmetry of most aspects of Starship.

That's not my render, credits to @Caspar_Stanley (I linked his tweet)

But since you asked, judging by the official renders it does look like there could be 3 sets of 3 thrusters, one set being on windward. The thruster clusters depicted in official renders are perfectly aligned between two legs so that's a good indication. I suppose they can do it since there won't be any need for TPS. maybe also windows on the other side  :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/02/2020 02:45 pm
Here are some updates. I think I got all the main components other than the docking adapter at the nose.

I have a few more I will post later.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/02/2020 03:20 pm
https://twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1256512512796831746

https://twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1256442558173102080
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 05/02/2020 08:25 pm
Here is a higher resolution image.

Edit:
image from
https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1255902522792988672 (https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1255902522792988672)

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/02/2020 08:50 pm
The last two from the overnight render session.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 05/03/2020 04:23 pm
Anybody want to give the new Super Heavy a go?

May 3rd 2020 Updates:  Super Heavy and Vacuum Raptor Update

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1256857873897803776
Tweet Contents:  Is superheavy being designed right now?
A little. Will have 31 engines, not 37, no big fins and legs similar to ship. That thrust dome is the super hard part. Raptor SL thrust starts at 200 ton, but upgrades in the works for 250 ton.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1256858214282391554
Tweet contents:  Has development on vacuum raptor engine started?
Yes, about a month away from testing Raptor Vacuum
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Jcc on 05/03/2020 04:41 pm
I don't know if this has popped up anywhere, but it's on the office trailer at the Boca Chica emergency center. (Maria's old place)

Looks like Super Heavy now has Falcon 9 style legs.

Artistic license.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/03/2020 04:52 pm
Side by sides and a fuel transfer mock-up.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/03/2020 08:44 pm
https://youtu.be/odzU3j3mU8I

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Stanley Creative

I have modeled the newly released Lunar optimized Starship configuration, and I thought I would create some cool animations for you! So here you go, the new Starship config on the surface of the Moon, firing those 12 mid-section engines/thrusters.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 05/03/2020 08:50 pm
Side by sides and a fuel transfer mock-up.

May I make a suggestion? I'd assume that the tip of the ship is just black, not flat.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/03/2020 09:07 pm
Side by sides and a fuel transfer mock-up.

May I make a suggestion? I'd assume that the tip of the ship is just black, not flat.
Of course. I actually sort of assumed that it would have a flip open nose cone like the dragon 2 capsule, under which is the docking adapter. I haven't had time to model that yet.
Is that what you meant? That it should have a nose, and either it be black or at least present (not flat?). Thanks Rafael!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/04/2020 11:00 am
https://youtu.be/0gyTPdQr4t0

From video description:

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This short video shows a virtual flight over the Starship Facility in Boca Chica, TX on May 2nd, 2020. It is kept as simple as possible with major focus on BUILDINGS, JIGS and STARSHIP-Parts.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/04/2020 11:34 am
Now we’re talking  :D  My sons will love this ...

https://twitter.com/panagio35127568/status/1257269846401855490

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I can confirm, sn4 is gonna fly
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: topopesto on 05/04/2020 07:38 pm
The last two from the overnight render session.

I can't refrain from congratulating with you for your beautiful drawings.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/04/2020 07:47 pm
The last two from the overnight render session.

I can't refrain from congratulating with you for your beautiful drawings.

Thank you very much, friend! I really appreciate it. Glad you like them.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/06/2020 10:43 am
Another great image - thanks Alex! Looking a little cosy in there ...

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1257977376694124545

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It should look something like this! (very quick and dirty edit)

They do actually fit - just. Plumbing is going to be serious business I imagine.

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1257978510359973891

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3D model used for basic placement guide on that last edit. So many raptors...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/07/2020 10:57 am
https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1256695381448183809

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Starship. Lunar and Aero version. #Starship @SpaceX

https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1257058266821144577

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smaller  fins, legs like Starship and 31 engines

https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1257066651004133384

https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1258173519059464195

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If Super Heavy´s engine bay is to be 9-m dia, the legs must fit inside the (too thick) fins. (* I * would add a skirt)

https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1258179163749482496

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Lunar Starship and Super Heavy #STARSHIP
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/07/2020 10:59 am
https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1255871726908514305

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SN4 assembly by Homem do Espaço @spacex #STARSHIP

https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1257822918731542538

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SN4 @SpaceX

https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1258167589164982272

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SN4 business end #STARSHIP
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/08/2020 06:19 pm
Hi guys, thought i would throw my hat in the ring here.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1258476335552479240?s=20

Working on these in inventor seen as i have nothing else to do now.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/08/2020 06:50 pm
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/08/2020 06:55 pm
Those are some great models Thors. I really like the detail on the up-skirt render you just posted. I like the family photo too. I need to work on a better environment for my renders. That landing pad looks sweet :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: LMT on 05/08/2020 07:01 pm
Someone might enjoy rendering a notional MineShip (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22073.msg2079186#msg2079186).

It would be quite a visual, to see it as it might appear in operation, up close from below.  For max interest, you could try to render a full complement of grain ballast and outrigger wheels, all within a frenzy of vapor/dust agitation and ballistic grain rejection.  The lower hull should be a dusty, frosty mess.

Maybe set it in a lozenge of reflected (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50816.msg2076576#msg2076576) sunlight, on a representative 10 degree PSR slope (https://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/lunar-south-pole-atlas/maps/Lunar_South_Pole_Ridge_Slope_V9_300dpi_Flat.pdf)?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/08/2020 08:19 pm
Those are some great models Thors. I really like the detail on the up-skirt render you just posted. I like the family photo too. I need to work on a better environment for my renders. That landing pad looks sweet :)

Thanks man, your stuff is sweet too. Still in the process, adding little details now.

Some more, did make a start at the interiors and had a go at a Dragon inspired control panel for her.

Also dragon smol.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 05/08/2020 08:27 pm

Really enjoy these renders - nicely done. One small note - on the perimeter of the aft skirt looking up - just outboard of each of the folded landing legs is the latch receptacle where the SN4 currently latches to the launch mount and will most likely be the latching points for mating the Starship to the Super Heavy. There are also the prop and other lines, but I know that's probably in flux as we've only seen one set on SN4 where as there will have to be a mirror set for butt to butt refueling.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/08/2020 08:29 pm
Welcome to the forum Thors! Fab renders, thank you for sharing with us.

I particularly like the family shot that makes clear the lunar Starship differences. Will be interesting to see if the different designs converge or diverge more over time.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/08/2020 09:16 pm
Some more Full Stack!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/08/2020 09:36 pm
Sick! What's up with the Maersk stuff? I used to work for a freight forwarder, so I am familiar :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/08/2020 09:50 pm
Sick! What's up with the Maersk stuff? I used to work for a freight forwarder, so I am familiar :)

Haha nothing really i just wanted to put a logo on it and give it a name so i looked up Maerks first ship and named it after it.  :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aceshigh on 05/08/2020 10:21 pm
Some more Full Stack!

Hi Thors. What height did you use for each deck?

ok, so I did this simple 3D showing what seems to me would be the probable deck heights and locations for Starship "Normal" and Moon Starship.

Also, at the side of the 3D Starship models, we can see some renderings of normal Starship by Kimi Talvitie (which I think the decks are too close to each other, if each deck has a row of windows) and a rendering of Moon Starship by Caspar Stanley.

Matching the Moon Starship external render, we have a much higher "cargo" deck, with space for a NASA Moon Electric Rover, then 2 2.5 meters high decks with windows, one 2.5 meters high deck WITHOUT windows, and the topmost deck, which is covered externally by solar panels.
(https://i.imgur.com/nMitTuq.png)

and well... just for comparison...

NASA's Lunar Electric Vehicle in the cargo bay (it doesn´t quite fit, but I think the wheels can go up and down. If the vehicle goes down, it would fit.)

And Orion... docked to the nose tip AND inside the uppermost deck (only the capsule)
(https://i.imgur.com/mLbnvXg.png)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aceshigh on 05/08/2020 10:24 pm
what are your takes on the exterior walls width? Meaning... whats the internal diameter of Starship in the straight section?


I am somewhat in doubt of the central hole everybody is using in their internal renderings. That central passage looks all fine for a space only craft.

But one that will land on the vertical??? When that happens, either the central hole becomes unused volume or it becomes a trap... big risk of accident. Let's remember it's several decks tall

One solution I think of would be to have inverted fall stoppers in the tube...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lonestriker on 05/08/2020 10:27 pm

Really enjoy these renders - nicely done. One small note - on the perimeter of the aft skirt looking up - just outboard of each of the folded landing legs is the latch receptacle where the SN4 currently latches to the launch mount and will most likely be the latching points for mating the Starship to the Super Heavy. There are also the prop and other lines, but I know that's probably in flux as we've only seen one set on SN4 where as there will have to be a mirror set for butt to butt refueling.

Thanks much for the renders!  One other small note is that Elon has mentioned vacuum bells fixed to the skirt itself:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1131620991166078976
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/09/2020 12:05 am
Some more Full Stack!

Hi Thors. What height did you use for each deck?

ok, so I did this simple 3D showing what seems to me would be the probable deck heights and locations for Starship "Normal" and Moon Starship.

Also, at the side of the 3D Starship models, we can see some renderings of normal Starship by Kimi Talvitie (which I think the decks are too close to each other, if each deck has a row of windows) and a rendering of Moon Starship by Caspar Stanley.

Matching the Moon Starship external render, we have a much higher "cargo" deck, with space for a NASA Moon Electric Rover, then 2 2.5 meters high decks with windows, one 2.5 meters high deck WITHOUT windows, and the topmost deck, which is covered externally by solar panels.
(https://i.imgur.com/nMitTuq.png)

and well... just for comparison...

NASA's Lunar Electric Vehicle in the cargo bay (it doesn´t quite fit, but I think the wheels can go up and down. If the vehicle goes down, it would fit.)

And Orion... docked to the nose tip AND inside the uppermost deck (only the capsule)
(https://i.imgur.com/mLbnvXg.png)

Well the window placement on my model is based on the rendered image on the website which seems to be at 1250mm between window strips with and i have my indows at 500mm i think.

I have attached drawing of the deck plan, i was more concerned with getting them between windows so im going to have to re do them 18.m is a bit too crampt... should be fine for cabin decks (or even less).

My payload door i have at 3 x 3 meters.

what are your takes on the exterior walls width? Meaning... whats the internal diameter of Starship in the straight section?


I am somewhat in doubt of the central hole everybody is using in their internal renderings. That central passage looks all fine for a space only craft.

But one that will land on the vertical??? When that happens, either the central hole becomes unused volume or it becomes a trap... big risk of accident. Let's remember it's several decks tall

One solution I think of would be to have inverted fall stoppers in the tube...

As for the central shaft i wanted to keep it clear because who wouldnt want to float all the way up and down the ship in one go... also was thinking that there could be say 2 or 3 lightweigt removable deck pieces so they can make it not so much of a drop when on mars. ( or even just some mesh netting that can be pulled tought enough to walk on.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/09/2020 02:15 am
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1258941284863139840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


A few new renders from the last few days. Spent some time adding a nose cone and docking adapter to my moon SS. Should be to scale. I think I'm going to work on my raptor for a bit.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aceshigh on 05/09/2020 04:01 am
Some more Full Stack!

Well the window placement on my model is based on the rendered image on the website which seems to be at 1250mm between window strips

 yes, which makes no sense, unless you have two windows per deck, and thus a total deck height of 2.5 meters

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I have attached drawing of the deck plan, i was more concerned with getting them between windows so im going to have to re do them 18.m is a bit too crampt... should be fine for cabin decks (or even less).

yes, 1,8m deck would force people to walk like hunchbacks the entire time when Starship is landed on vertical.

It's a doable configuration ONLY for zero gravity... as on the ISS, where you have 1,82 meters height corridors without protusions... because it's zero gravity so astronauts are always floating in a kind of "half seated" position, not fully erect.

But you can´t have 1,8 meters floor to floor... otherwise your real floor height will be even shorter than ISS. For a vehicle that will land on vertical and where 1,8 would already be too short for people to walk.


Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 05/09/2020 06:18 am
I have attached drawing of the deck plan, i was more concerned with getting them between windows so im going to have to re do them 18.m is a bit too crampt... should be fine for cabin decks (or even less).

yes, 1,8m deck would force people to walk like hunchbacks the entire time when Starship is landed on vertical.

It's a doable configuration ONLY for zero gravity... as on the ISS, where you have 1,82 meters height corridors without protusions... because it's zero gravity so astronauts are always floating in a kind of "half seated" position, not fully erect.

But you can´t have 1,8 meters floor to floor... otherwise your real floor height will be even shorter than ISS. For a vehicle that will land on vertical and where 1,8 would already be too short for people to walk.

Agreed, 1.8m decks is a non-starter, especially in lower gravity, where you'd skip around more and bump your head all the time. No, you need at least 2m floor to ceiling height, maybe even 2.5m or more. There is plenty of room, no need to make it claustrophobic.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/09/2020 08:49 am
https://twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1257383031880417284

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Orion Docked to Lunar Starship, in preparation for a landing!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/09/2020 11:36 am
I have attached drawing of the deck plan, i was more concerned with getting them between windows so im going to have to re do them 18.m is a bit too crampt... should be fine for cabin decks (or even less).

yes, 1,8m deck would force people to walk like hunchbacks the entire time when Starship is landed on vertical.

It's a doable configuration ONLY for zero gravity... as on the ISS, where you have 1,82 meters height corridors without protusions... because it's zero gravity so astronauts are always floating in a kind of "half seated" position, not fully erect.

But you can´t have 1,8 meters floor to floor... otherwise your real floor height will be even shorter than ISS. For a vehicle that will land on vertical and where 1,8 would already be too short for people to walk.

Agreed, 1.8m decks is a non-starter, especially in lower gravity, where you'd skip around more and bump your head all the time. No, you need at least 2m floor to ceiling height, maybe even 2.5m or more. There is plenty of room, no need to make it claustrophobic.

Yeah i am going to be doing a rework on the interior ar some point, was just the initial pass on i, will try to make each deck a minimum of 2 meters with a commons deck a bit larger.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 05/09/2020 04:05 pm
SpaceX's Starship Super Heavy on launch pad by Gravitation Innovation (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/05/spacex-starship-on-launch-pad-by.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 05/09/2020 04:51 pm
No umbilical to the different stages. All fueling is from the bottom.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/09/2020 05:09 pm
No umbilical to the different stages. All fueling is from the bottom.

Regardless its a beautifull render, hope to get on par with this some day haha.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nevyn72 on 05/10/2020 12:35 am
No umbilical to the different stages. All fueling is from the bottom.
Actually we don't know this, all we believe so far (all things can change) is that the SS is fueled from below.
We have no definitive information for the SH yet.*

* I believe the render video didn't show any connections to the stack.....
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 05/10/2020 02:36 pm
Agreed, 1.8m decks is a non-starter, especially in lower gravity, where you'd skip around more and bump your head all the time. No, you need at least 2m floor to ceiling height, maybe even 2.5m or more. There is plenty of room, no need to make it claustrophobic.

One of the lessons learned from Skylab is to not exceed the floor to ceiling height of the upward reach of an average adult male, which is 2120 mm (2.12 meters). Even though the lander will spend most of its crewed time on the surface in lunar gravity, there will be times when crew is aboard in zero-g. The problem, as learned the hard way on Skylab, is that it is actually possible in zero-g to get "stuck" in mid air between the deck and the ceiling, unable to reach something to use to push against or to pull yourself toward some surface  so that you're able to right yourself. The average height of an adult male is 1.75 meters so I would think that a 2 to 2.2 meter ceiling height would be sufficient. 2.5 meters could prove problematic.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: cdebuhr on 05/10/2020 03:26 pm
Agreed, 1.8m decks is a non-starter, especially in lower gravity, where you'd skip around more and bump your head all the time. No, you need at least 2m floor to ceiling height, maybe even 2.5m or more. There is plenty of room, no need to make it claustrophobic.

One of the lessons learned from Skylab is to not exceed the floor to ceiling height of the upward reach of an average adult male, which is 2120 mm (2.12 meters). Even though the lander will spend most of its crewed time on the surface in lunar gravity, there will be times when crew is aboard in zero-g. The problem, as learned the hard way on Skylab, is that it is actually possible in zero-g to get "stuck" in mid air between the deck and the ceiling, unable to reach something to use to push against or to pull yourself toward some surface  so that you're able to right yourself. The average height of an adult male is 1.75 meters so I would think that a 2 to 2.2 meter ceiling height would be sufficient. 2.5 meters could prove problematic.
Good lesson's learned, but if you need a higher-clearance cargo deck, you'll have to manage.  You could treat trips into that deck like an EVA, minus the spacesuit.  Use tethers, which in this case could be a simple a a web strap plus a couple carabiners.  A small, fan bases personal propulsion unit could get the job done.  Or, just use a buddy system.  One crew member is always tethered to a handrail, and is free to toss a rescue tether if needed.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Barley on 05/10/2020 05:16 pm
As for the central shaft i wanted to keep it clear because who wouldnt want to float all the way up and down the ship in one go... also was thinking that there could be say 2 or 3 lightweigt removable deck pieces so they can make it not so much of a drop when on mars. ( or even just some mesh netting that can be pulled tought enough to walk on.
Why not slope the "central" shaft?  Works just as well in zero-G, and better as a ladder/stair on the ground.  It would mean you'd need a track rather than a straight hoist for moving heavy cargo.  Asymmetric location of hatches on various decks might actually help layout, since you get larger clear spaces on top and bottom decks.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: GregTheGrumpy on 05/10/2020 05:18 pm
Heck, just make a standard equipment of a small air canister.  Point opposite of where you want to go and puff.

Edit, typos.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Barley on 05/10/2020 05:30 pm
The average height of an adult male is 1.75 meters so I would think that a 2 to 2.2 meter ceiling height would be sufficient. 2.5 meters could prove problematic.
You should be designing for the 5% female and 95% male, not just for the 50% male.

If the design constraints mean you can't handle everyone there are good reasons to select the crew from small people.

But to avoid stranding just make a selfie stick part of the uniform.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 05/10/2020 05:48 pm
Agreed, 1.8m decks is a non-starter, especially in lower gravity, where you'd skip around more and bump your head all the time. No, you need at least 2m floor to ceiling height, maybe even 2.5m or more. There is plenty of room, no need to make it claustrophobic.

One of the lessons learned from Skylab is to not exceed the floor to ceiling height of the upward reach of an average adult male, which is 2120 mm (2.12 meters). Even though the lander will spend most of its crewed time on the surface in lunar gravity, there will be times when crew is aboard in zero-g. The problem, as learned the hard way on Skylab, is that it is actually possible in zero-g to get "stuck" in mid air between the deck and the ceiling, unable to reach something to use to push against or to pull yourself toward some surface  so that you're able to right yourself. The average height of an adult male is 1.75 meters so I would think that a 2 to 2.2 meter ceiling height would be sufficient. 2.5 meters could prove problematic.

Good points. Here is a video showing something similar on ISS (although intentional) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC64gk117cc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: dgmckenzie on 05/10/2020 06:43 pm
That's why you have a small air pistol in your pocket.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mandella on 05/10/2020 08:50 pm
As the ISS video showed, it is possible to swim, albeit slowly, through air. Not to mention there should be some air flow anyway, just for circulation safety reasons.

I actually think that the compressed air can system might introduce unwanted spin -- has this been tested?

--and I just realized that this is the Render Thread. Sigh. I would suggest that 2.2 would clear all but the tallest humans, while providing grips close enough to prevent any but the shortest of strandings for the shortest of people.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: steveleach on 05/10/2020 09:11 pm
Can we keep this thread for renders please?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: GregTheGrumpy on 05/10/2020 09:55 pm
Heck, just make a standard equipment of a small air canister.  Point opposite of where you want to go and puff.

Edit, typos.
and
Can we keep this thread for renders please?

I believe the purpose (aside from some levity) was to discuss a detail of the renders and how to deal with the reality of getting stuck in space.

The observation that cargo areas would need to be larger than 2.2 meters makes having something on the person necessary and, by having such, makes it not a major concern that somebody's going to starve in a much larger volume and, therefore, should not be a major design criteria.

'just sayin

-g
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aero on 05/11/2020 01:48 am
Is anyone good enough with Photoshop to shop in an SH over an F9 RTLS landing? The SH is so much larger it would look as though it were just drifting down to touchdown. Much like the landing approach of a Jumbo jet looks very slow compared to that of a 737.

And on the launch, how far up will the SS/SH stack be when we lose sight of it with the naked eye? I mean, it's big so we should see it for quite some time.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 05/11/2020 06:24 am
This one seems to have the thruster clusters correctly 120° apart.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/ghgnrd/starship_hls_burns_for_the_moon/
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/11/2020 03:30 pm
Bonus points for the fab stacking crane  :D

https://twitter.com/epicspacemodels/status/1259801050363514880

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Boca Chica, a few years from now...
@SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/11/2020 03:40 pm
Wow

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1259848220164980741

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Ok I went for it! Heres a future Starship AND Heavy Booster (people on the ground for scale)

Perhaps SN20? 🚀

After popular demand + all the great feedback from everyone after my last #Starship render edit, which was nice to see! #SpaceX #ElonMusk #Spaceflight #Technology #Mars

twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1259848224690647043

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Since it looked a bit odd standing without any support, I started working on adding an early launch tower as well.

Im not super happy with it yet, but thought it was a nice enough render to include regardless.
#SpaceX #Blender3D #Starship #3dmodeling #art

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1259848227781779456

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And as always, heres a comparison to the original photo by @elonmusk.

This feels like the perfect sendoff for SN04 ahead of its 150m hop - a look at the spacecraft SN04 is helping bring into reality! Exciting times ahead 😃🚀
#SpaceX #Starship #Spaceflight #Mars #ElonMusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/11/2020 03:41 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1259842135102230530?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/11/2020 04:38 pm
https://youtu.be/MIQDRlmXyzQ

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This short video shows a virtual flight over the Starship Facility in Boca Chica, TX on May 2nd, 2020. It is kept as simple as possible with major focus on BUILDINGS, JIGS and STARSHIP-Parts.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: aceshigh on 05/11/2020 05:59 pm
Can we keep this thread for renders please?

As I intend to hopefully do some internal render videos, this is of importance. But maybe we can create a new thread about internal Starship layout discussion?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/12/2020 08:15 am
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1260121328042082306

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Pretty close. It will look absurdly tall & have a lot more ground support equipment.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: denisjc on 05/12/2020 05:23 pm
Wow

https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1259848220164980741


Super cool render, but move it to the other pad that we think is for the Super Heavy.  Maybe even add some ground items like the pad and crane.  :) :o 8)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/12/2020 11:29 pm
https://twitter.com/dtrford/status/1260346597940002817

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#SpaceX #Starship Passing some Space Clouds on it’s way to TOI 700 D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/12/2020 11:40 pm
https://twitter.com/dtrford/status/1260346597940002817

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#SpaceX #Starship Passing some Space Clouds on it’s way to TOI 700 D

Love what he is doing with my renders, give him some love guys.

Also
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1260351487470960647
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/13/2020 01:55 am
Starship render from this afternoon with better raptor models, engine glow, fixed displacement mapping, and pop culture references for funsies. Credit to @Dtrford for the Space Balls idea ;)


Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 05/13/2020 05:03 am
Trying a 9m base for Superheavy. It fits 31 engines, as long as you move the legs outside

https://twitter.com/fael097/status/1260434873451454469

(attached full res version as twitter doesn't really like 8k)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: harrystranger on 05/13/2020 09:26 am
I just stumbled upon this cool render/video recapping most of the testing so far  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOtKdVIe_vo&t=29s
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/13/2020 07:43 pm
Hi NSF. I finally got around to modeling legs based on the peeks we got from Elon's tweets.
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1260654882962341888
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/13/2020 10:43 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1260699149705654276?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/14/2020 01:04 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1260716401775587330

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#SpaceX #Starship 1 ready for deorbit.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/14/2020 02:00 pm
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1260948438285463553

Hi NSF! I was working on a shader for a technical diagram and I got the idea to make a coloring page out of Starship. If you or your kids color this, send me a PM on the forum with a scan and I will post it on Twitter (or upload it yourself if you are on Twitter). Might be a fun way to get our kids engaged with science and space!

 I think this is the most interesting angle because of the detail of the engines, but let me know if you want any other angles rendered! I could do the cargo bay with the hatch open too.
Update: Added two new angles. They didn't take nearly as long to render because the Raptors are not visible :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/14/2020 05:15 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1260980131834802179
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/15/2020 01:12 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1261100016292298757?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/16/2020 12:43 am
The shear size of this lad....

S.S. Goliath... 18m starship concept. (WIP)

Goliath does not land on planet, planet lands on Goliath.

Any suggestions on other details e.g flaps no flaps or similar to ITS?

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1261456271393411072?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: moreno7798 on 05/16/2020 01:45 am
The shear size of this lad....

S.S. Goliath... 18m starship concept. (WIP)

Goliath does not land on planet, planet lands on Goliath.

Any suggestions on other details e.g flaps no flaps or similar to ITS?

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1261456271393411072?s=20

SSTO baby!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JamesH65 on 05/17/2020 05:54 pm
The shear size of this lad....

S.S. Goliath... 18m starship concept. (WIP)

Goliath does not land on planet, planet lands on Goliath.

Any suggestions on other details e.g flaps no flaps or similar to ITS?

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1261456271393411072?s=20

SSTO baby!

There is really no point to SSTO in our gravity well. Just stick it on a big booster. Cheaper per kg.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/17/2020 06:20 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1262082029434404864?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/17/2020 11:05 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1262154942661513217?s=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2wo9jN9D1c
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/19/2020 02:04 pm
https://youtu.be/bsLIn9U447w
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/21/2020 03:13 am
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1263303746181894151

Hey NSF - a quick update to my Raptor model. Already way more detailed than I was originally planning, but hey... why not. It's fun to model. Frustrating that it is impossible to tell where some of the pipes go from the images that are available so far. If you see anything majorly incorrect, let me know and I will fix it!

Thanks
Bart
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/21/2020 11:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQD9af6D0Pk

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/23/2020 11:37 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGGKXugCWro
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/24/2020 07:08 pm
https://youtu.be/NKFN6TkTj0w
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/25/2020 11:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0XVDAl-Zwc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/26/2020 03:06 pm
Hey NSF

Here are some renders of my updated Raptor Engine model. I think I am going to be done modeling for now. I can't do many more cables or wires without faking it because it is not clear where they go or what they do (to me anyway). Hope you like em.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1265296875063840768

"low poly" wireframe included for anyone that is curious what the model topology looks like.

-Bart
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/27/2020 10:21 pm
https://youtu.be/MM__nSV1Wjk

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With the Demo 2 mission postponed due to weather I thought I would share a composite video of SpaceX's Starship first test flight.  This is all speculation and with a centered Raptor engine, not offset like we expect to see for real.  Thanks to NASAspaceflight for the original Starhopper footage used to create this.  I also believe that is Everyday Astronaut's excited voice in the background.  I cant imagine how it will sound when the real thing hops.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/28/2020 05:08 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1265248732863508482

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1265421050193592322
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 05/28/2020 07:58 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1265421050193592322

(first of all, I assume these are yours, I have not been following the thread closely) ;)

The landing shot on Mars is really nice, but for the shot in space I would suggest some improvements:
- the sun light direction of your background is flipped, flip the background (or Starship)
- you have a tendency to make steel look too dark in space... Sure, most of it is reflecting blackness, but highlights that reflect the sun to the camera/observer should be crazy bright - (see image of an Atlas stage in space, the closest match to the Sharship surface) You could argue that it is an artistic choice, but then the planet background should be darker too.

EDIT: Here is another example (Hubble) of how shiny bright a reflective metal surface would be against a planet, if illuminated by the sun

Sorry for the nitpicking, but I think the modeling is great, but lighting improvement will take it over the top. :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 05/29/2020 09:53 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1265421050193592322

(first of all, I assume these are yours, I have not been following the thread closely) ;)

The landing shot on Mars is really nice, but for the shot in space I would suggest some improvements:
- the sun light direction of your background is flipped, flip the background (or Starship)
- you have a tendency to make steel look too dark in space... Sure, most of it is reflecting blackness, but highlights that reflect the sun to the camera/observer should be crazy bright - (see image of an Atlas stage in space, the closest match to the Sharship surface) You could argue that it is an artistic choice, but then the planet background should be darker too.

EDIT: Here is another example (Hubble) of how shiny bright a reflective metal surface would be against a planet, if illuminated by the sun

Sorry for the nitpicking, but I think the modeling is great, but lighting improvement will take it over the top. :)

Yeah they are mine haha.

I welcome the nitpicking lol, im only starting to get back into the program im using to render these (blender).

Still really learning the ropes on all the options it gives for lgihting. At the moment ive just been making it look good to my eye and somewhat semi realistic. Will have a go at making it more like the images you show.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jstrotha0975 on 05/29/2020 09:25 pm
Can someone make a render of Starship exploding?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 05/29/2020 09:28 pm
Can someone make a render of Starship exploding?

Impossible, its too sad.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: DigitalMan on 05/29/2020 09:35 pm
Can someone make a render of Starship exploding?

Better than Mary?  Nobody.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 05/29/2020 10:09 pm
Can someone make a render of Starship exploding?

Why? Do you have an urgent need? I can imagine it being mis-used in many internet "journalism" sites.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 06/05/2020 11:41 pm
Elon liked it... life = complete.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1268984190156058628?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/06/2020 11:45 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1269403854594064386

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Rendezvous of the Universe #SpaceX #Starship #Elon #Interstellar
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/07/2020 02:36 pm
https://twitter.com/alex_adedge/status/1269629236001660933

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MK1 tribute print is finally up to spec and printing. Had to rework a LOT of the model which took longer than I wanted... really rushed it the first time round, never again.

Added in some imperfect surface panels too, for that scrappy MK1 look 🚀

#SpaceX #Starship #3DPrinting
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/08/2020 06:49 am
A new STARSHIP FACILITY UPDATE covering the Boca Chica Site
on June 6th, 2020

(Side-note: Have to slow down my outup of videos in the future. I'm slowly heading back into some bigger projects as a freelance designer and just don't find time anymore to make weekly update-videos. anyway, will do videos as often as i can effort to spend some time for this.)

enjoy this one here:

https://youtu.be/nae3S3U7XlA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 06/08/2020 03:25 pm
I've been working on other things for a while, but I just built a new computer rig and wanted to test out some render times. Here is my SS cargo variant with payload bay open and a test render of Starship refueling in orbit. I love the earth reflection on the SS body, but I am not happy with the Earth's atmosphere yet. Earth is a 3d model as well, not a background photo.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 06/08/2020 11:00 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1269425355737247744?s=20
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Post by: Lars-J on 06/09/2020 01:28 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1269425355737247744?s=20
Very cool image (super lighting), but that 18m version is just... silly. IMO. It’s just too speculative and undefined to serve any useful purpose in such a comparison. :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 06/09/2020 10:32 am
Very cool image (super lighting), but that 18m version is just... silly. IMO. It’s just too speculative and undefined to serve any useful purpose in such a comparison. :)
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Yeah haha someone on twitter wanted to see an 18m comparsion so i just quickly enlarged and deformed the mesh for the 9m starship. I did make an 18m starship model that is more like the ITS in its design.
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Post by: Thors on 06/10/2020 03:36 pm
Expedition Galileo. Starships Ganymede & Europa arrive at Saturn to explore its rings and moons.

Follow on Twitter https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1270725373035114496?s=20
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/10/2020 06:12 pm
https://twitter.com/13ericralph31/status/1270779443015905281

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How big is 81 meters?  BIG!  This is a rough estimate for their heights, rounded to the meter.  That pixel is a big human!
18m =Starhopper 
21m =Onion Tent
2m =Human
30m =Windbreak
47m =Highbay
81m =Announced Highbay 2
52m =Starship Prototype
#SpaceX #Starship #highbay2
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 06/12/2020 07:19 pm
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1271455533648744453?s=19

A few renders from last night.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/13/2020 06:37 am
https://youtu.be/XrnhbHOGThA
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Post by: denisjc on 06/13/2020 10:42 am


LOL wonderful kerbal review of the SN4 many thanks

 ;D :'( 8) :o
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Post by: Thors on 06/13/2020 11:16 pm
Falcon9 v Starship comparison.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1271922753772367874?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 06/15/2020 04:05 pm
Here is my rendition of Starship with 240 Starlink satellites as payload. Comments and criticism welcome.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1272537724101300225
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 06/15/2020 04:19 pm
Here is my rendition of Starship with 240 Starlink satellites as payload. Comments and criticism welcome.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1272537724101300225

The payload capacity of SS should allow for 400 Starlink satellites, and I recall reading Gwynne saying that 400 was possible.

Not sure how they would all stack in, but it looks like there should be room for a 5th stack in front of the two stacks and right under the chomper lid.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 06/15/2020 04:32 pm
Here is my rendition of Starship with 240 Starlink satellites as payload. Comments and criticism welcome.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1272537724101300225

Very cool visualization - but why do you have the chomper fairing as being two separate pieces on top of each other? It seems like a very unlikely setup.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 06/15/2020 04:40 pm
Here is my rendition of Starship with 240 Starlink satellites as payload. Comments and criticism welcome.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1272537724101300225

Very cool visualization - but why do you have the chomper fairing as being two separate pieces on top of each other? It seems like a very unlikely setup.

Acoustical shielding and/or visual interest to make the render look more realistic?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 06/15/2020 04:41 pm
Very cool visualization - but why do you have the chomper fairing as being two separate pieces on top of each other? It seems like a very unlikely setup.

Acoustical shielding and/or visual interest to make the render look more realistic?

No, what I mean is that there appears to be two doors. A door within a door.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 06/15/2020 05:07 pm

The payload capacity of SS should allow for 400 Starlink satellites, and I recall reading Gwynne saying that 400 was possible.

Not sure how they would all stack in, but it looks like there should be room for a 5th stack in front of the two stacks and right under the chomper lid.

Yes, there is plenty more room. I remember elon saying 240 per launch at some point, but I could be mistaken about that. That is why I chose 240. Other designs would require different configurations of the starlink locking mechanisms.

Very cool visualization - but why do you have the chomper fairing as being two separate pieces on top of each other? It seems like a very unlikely setup.

This is just my artistic license. I asked the forum a while ago what the inside of the bay would look like IRL, so I modeled white acoustic paneling to protect the payload. The chomper within a chomper is just my idea because it allows a fully  symmetrical fairing halves much like Falcon 9. The outer chomper cannot perfectly split Starship on the XY plan because the flaps and TPS get in the way. This way, i figured it might be easier to seal the fairing interior if the payload compartment was split symmetrically on the XY plane. 

Also, I am not saying this is likely, but it would allow for a removable sealed payload compartment that could be integrated and sealed in a clean room and then hoisted into the Starship cargo bay. This would help for private, scientific, and military payloads that require clean environments.
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Post by: _MECO on 06/15/2020 05:17 pm
Very cool visualization - but why do you have the chomper fairing as being two separate pieces on top of each other? It seems like a very unlikely setup.

Acoustical shielding and/or visual interest to make the render look more realistic?

No, what I mean is that there appears to be two doors. A door within a door.

That's what I meant. But it's been answered, so whatever
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: hallmh on 06/15/2020 06:28 pm

The payload capacity of SS should allow for 400 Starlink satellites, and I recall reading Gwynne saying that 400 was possible.

Not sure how they would all stack in, but it looks like there should be room for a 5th stack in front of the two stacks and right under the chomper lid.

Yes, there is plenty more room. I remember elon saying 240 per launch at some point, but I could be mistaken about that. That is why I chose 240. Other designs would require different configurations of the starlink locking mechanisms.

Even if 400 Starlinks can't be made to fit, I don't see why they should be limited to the existing form factor. That's optimised for a Falcon 9 fairing, which will swiftly become irrelevant.

I'm sure a Starship-friendly satellite shape will be revealed in due course.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 06/15/2020 06:41 pm
Falcon9 v Starship comparison.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1271922753772367874?s=20

The black on a black background doesn't work well.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 06/16/2020 11:27 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1272672911195848711?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/17/2020 09:19 pm
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1273362021896146945

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SpaceX Starship docking with the ISS. I think Starship is gonna need a bigger station to dock with when the time comes. #ElonMusk #iss #SpaceX #Starship

https://youtu.be/GK_I6LwFyMA
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/17/2020 09:22 pm
Couple more

https://youtu.be/GZ5A6XM41i8

https://youtu.be/Q-s1Rj9MKD4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: envy887 on 06/19/2020 02:48 pm
I asked the forum a while ago what the inside of the bay would look like IRL, so I modeled white acoustic paneling to protect the payload. ...

Starlink launches don't currently need the acoustical panels, since the satellites are designed to withstand the launch noise environment.
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/20/2020 09:24 pm
https://youtu.be/9teb6PZalaA

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Here is just the Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly form the History of
SN-4 animation.  I rendered this one at 120 FPS so it can be slowed down for all fun little details.  So long and thanks for all the data!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/21/2020 08:39 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1274492884205608962

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SpaceX Launch Site.

#SpaceX #Starship #Elon
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Post by: Ice on 06/22/2020 04:18 pm
Mars Base Alpha concept art by Konstantin Ermolaev (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/06/spacex-starships-at-mars-base-alpha-by.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 06/24/2020 08:05 pm
Technically speaking, this is a render....

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1275882203982049281
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/25/2020 08:35 pm
https://youtu.be/6TVEYfJ_g5Y
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/26/2020 07:13 pm
https://youtu.be/9Ceyvmmx4pg

https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1276575956103073792

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That highbay will be tall!!!
What we have now (left) is apparently just the "midbay" according to @elonmusk. Can't wait to see a Superheavy stack 😲
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 06/27/2020 01:01 pm
That doesn't look tall enough to stack a Starship on it's booster.  Is the plan that that's an outdoors-only activity?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: V96 on 06/27/2020 01:28 pm
That doesn't look tall enough to stack a Starship on it's booster.  Is the plan that that's an outdoors-only activity?

The plan was never to stack Starship on Super Heavy at the shipyard.
The plan has always been to move Starship and Super Heavy separately to the launch site and stack them on the launch pad with the use of a very tall launch tower crane.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brendan290803 on 06/29/2020 12:55 am
Here's a comparison between the mk1 aft fins and the newly delivered ones captured in one of RGV's flyover pics.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 06/30/2020 02:43 pm
My latest render. These are high cube containers 40 x 8 x 9.5 ft btw. The dude is 6 ft tall.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1277947493787906049

Enjoy!

-Neo
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/02/2020 08:56 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1278782235412508672

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Crewed Launch Day, 2024. #Starship #SpaceX #Elon

Model by @Dtrford
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/03/2020 12:40 pm
https://youtu.be/xx8A4jmz85c
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 07/03/2020 09:46 pm
Nice work on the camera angles, thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 07/04/2020 09:23 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen this is your captain speaking, we will be commencing our decent burn to Lovell Spaceport shortly. Please return to your cabins and ensure all items are secure and thank you for flying #SpaceX #Starship.   

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1279523249945219074?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/05/2020 07:00 am
https://youtu.be/Y_bNUhFWiVM

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NickHenning3D
Here is an animation of how the various sections of SpaceX's Starship are built.  This is of course a extremely simplified and not completely accurate depiction and may change as the ship continues to develop.  The animation is based off what we can see, watching closely as SpaceX has built Starship SN-1 to Starship SN-8 in Boca Chica, Texas. 

A huge thanks to,

NASASpaceflight https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUu...
LabPadre
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFwM...
What About It?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Xv...

Your content makes animations like this possible.  Thanks again!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 07/07/2020 05:25 pm
Hi NSF!

Here is a couple renders of a Falcon 9 fairing inside the Starship fairing. Inverse.com reached out and used a couple of these in an article that dropped yesterday.  Article: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-starship-vs-falcon-9

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1279394212237230081



Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 07/07/2020 07:47 pm
Renders are very nice, however I am curious about the whole "NEOPORK" moniker?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 07/07/2020 08:28 pm
Renders are very nice, however I am curious about the whole "NEOPORK" moniker?

LOL! It has been my online alias since 1999. If you are actually curious, it is a combination of Neo - yes the character from the Matrix, and Porky, which was an endearing middle-school nickname given to me by a female friend. I had long hair for a couple years (I was really cool... not) and then I showed up to a middle-school dance one day and I had cut it all off and spiked it.  She thought I looked like a porcupine and started calling me Porky.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 07/08/2020 06:28 am
My original read/translation was that it was perhaps sarcasm!  (perhaps I am too literal at times!)

Neo = New

Pork = well, "pork", which could also be read as Boeing, Sen Shelby, the military industrial complex, etc.

Glad to know it has a benign origin, and was not meant as a SpaceX slam - which given the quality of the render(s) did not quite make sense!  ::)

Thank you - 
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Post by: Neopork on 07/08/2020 04:49 pm
Hi NSF. This is how Starship looks with the famous James Webb Space Telescope in the fairing. Chris B asked and I verified the dimensions. It is to scale.
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1280867381666099202

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/09/2020 03:34 pm
I don’t think this has been posted before

https://youtu.be/ajW_7D_bi3w
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: harrystranger on 07/10/2020 01:56 am
A pretty fun video :)
Edit: Not 100% accurate but still fun
https://youtu.be/5C-w90Nx1wM
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 07/10/2020 03:41 am
Multiple Raptors?  Did I miss the memo?  ???
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 07/10/2020 09:03 am
https://youtu.be/Y_bNUhFWiVM

Quote
NickHenning3D
Here is an animation of how the various sections of SpaceX's Starship are built.  This is of course a extremely simplified and not completely accurate depiction and may change as the ship continues to develop.  The animation is based off what we can see, watching closely as SpaceX has built Starship SN-1 to Starship SN-8 in Boca Chica, Texas. 

A huge thanks to,

NASASpaceflight https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUu...
LabPadre
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFwM...
What About It?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Xv...

Your content makes animations like this possible.  Thanks again!

Hey NickHenning3D, what's your handle on Nasaspaceflight.com?

I love this animation, it really makes things clear to me. BUT! I so missed the stacking of the different elements! If you could manage to add that the video would be absolutely perfect.

Thanks again, really great video.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 07/12/2020 12:33 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1282124461924323333?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 07/13/2020 05:00 pm
Cutaway diagram of SpaceX's Lunar Starship by Rocket Posters (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/07/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-lunar-starship.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 07/13/2020 07:29 pm
Holy crap that is awesome.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/14/2020 12:44 am
Very nice work, though obviously at least somewhat speculative.  Also, of course, Musk has stated that several things need to be done with the design before Starship can land on the moon, one of which being a redesign of the landing gear system to give it a wider stance.  At 1/6 G, this Starship design is very likely to tip over upon landing.

But for what is known now -- extremely fine work!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/14/2020 01:31 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1283012188442112000

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Low Earth orbit spaceport.

Direct transfers to Moon, Mars & more!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ZChris13 on 07/14/2020 08:28 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1283012188442112000

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Low Earth orbit spaceport.

Direct transfers to Moon, Mars & more!
I find the followup to be even more compelling.


https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1283044312800952327
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Post by: Neopork on 07/16/2020 06:59 pm
Hi NSF. Here is the full Starship/Super Heavy stack. I painstakingly sculpted the weld lines on Super Heavy and included tack welds, etc. Detail that you can only see if you zoom in. Hope you like it. I threw in a few Raptors and a 6ft person for scale.

Twitter limits the resolution, but the attachment to this post should be 8k.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1283744798441119744
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 07/16/2020 07:28 pm
Awesome picture but I'm curious if they'll have fins on the booster in the end.  Those six fins at the base will be at the FRONT coming in.  Wonder what that would do to the CL and if the grid fins would have enough control authority to keep that end forward.  ???
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: starskale on 07/16/2020 08:00 pm
Would also like to see a launch ready stack someday. Based on the frosting and venting that occurs during cryo testing.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 07/16/2020 09:36 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1283872351227191297?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/18/2020 09:04 pm
Love this

https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1284472991682723840

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Who knew Starship could hide so many rockets behind it?! 😲
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: harrystranger on 07/21/2020 07:50 am
Another cool cinematic animation  :)
https://youtu.be/QPXqKBHKM4U
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 07/23/2020 03:22 pm
Wassup NSF. Here is a render of Starship Cargo variant and the moon lander next to each other, both on Super heavy boosters. Enjoy!

Most of my work is on Twitter https://twitter.com/Neopork85
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/23/2020 07:00 pm
twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1286371098666442753

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The 5 SpaceX Starship iterations current in development or planned. Can't wait to see the Starship future becoming reality. More cool animations on my YT channel. Link in Bio.
#SpaceX #Starship #Elonmusk

https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1286371280728588294

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The names turned out to be too blurry and not so well visible, so I think I will work on another version soon.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zanzalur on 07/26/2020 04:41 pm
A digital drawing of SN5 hopping i threw together.

EDIT: I made 2 alternative versions, one at night and one during a cloudy day
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 07/26/2020 05:03 pm
A digital drawing of SN5 hopping i threw together.

Reminds me of a line from Apollo 13.   Jim Lovell’s mothering saying “Don’t worry if they could get a washing machine to fly my Jimmy could land it.”
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/28/2020 06:27 pm
https://youtu.be/FWfpfJA1HGY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Tulse on 07/28/2020 08:37 pm
I'd add one more version: the fuel depot version.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 07/28/2020 08:56 pm
Colony Fleet preping for Mars burn.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1288215758070325248?s=20
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/04/2020 03:07 am
https://youtu.be/WO7HrovRlyo
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/04/2020 03:08 am
https://youtu.be/ZTX_cwAs0eM
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/04/2020 03:39 pm
https://twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1290670307192254465

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Well, I made this during the hope attempt countdown, so that's neat. I'll probably have it up on my Thingiverse in a couple days. I'll make another tweet when I do
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/05/2020 07:46 am
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1290907138328612864

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The Space Shuttle Orbiter, SpaceX Starship SN5 and 2019 SpaceX Starship to scale.
SN5 source photo credit
@austinbarnard45
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/06/2020 07:47 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1291457743082201093

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@elonmusk said V2.0 legs will be:
- Much taller ✅
- Much wider ✅
- Like Falcon (outside, not in the skirt?) ✅
- Capable of landing on unimproved surfaces ✅
- Auto-leveling ✅

twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1291457745649111041

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I'm assuming here "Falcon like" legs mean that they are moved out of the skirt. Not that they'd be folding out similar to F9 legs currently do.

With both of the Raptor variants (SL, rVac) AND cargopods filling up the skirt, I cannot imagine how they'd fit any... 2/x

https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1291457754444505090

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..taller or wider legs (not to mention they'd need to fold out for wider stance) between rVac nozzles and cPods, a place where space is already at premium. Pic related.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 3/3
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Post by: Tulse on 08/06/2020 08:00 pm
Those legs are reminiscent of the style used on New Shepard.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: canadero on 08/06/2020 08:16 pm
Re. legs, it does raise the question of whether this image from a couple weeks ago is involved:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51332.0;attach=1955911;image

Credit: BocaChicaGal
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: OneSpeed on 08/07/2020 12:28 pm
SN8?

Edit: I've had another go at this, stretching the background to allow for a 50m ship. By way of explanation, the body flap shape is just an estimation from here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51474.msg2115629#msg2115629 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51474.msg2115629#msg2115629)

My reasons for moving the forward flaps aft are that with the Super Heavy fins removed, the centre of pressure of the full stack will be tending forward of the centre of mass, which is inherently unstable (arrows don't fly backwards). Also, by moving the forward flaps aft, it may not be necessary to have a landing tank right at the nosetip. It might even be possible to embed it in the top bulkhead, similar to the second landing tank in the common dome.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: V96 on 08/07/2020 12:40 pm
SN8?
That's a very short starship.

You're missing 5 rings between the tanks and the nosecone.

And the upper wings sit entirely on the nosecone, at an angle.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: OneSpeed on 08/07/2020 12:51 pm
SN8?
That's a very short starship.

You're missing 5 rings between the tanks and the nosecone.

And the upper wings sit entirely on the nosecone, at an angle.

Yes, it's about 42m, or 8m short. The 50m version didn't fit in the SpaceX image. We don't know exactly how the body flaps sit just yet, just that the design has been simplified somewhat.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/07/2020 10:36 pm
https://youtu.be/Lg2nyx5ny5g
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 08/07/2020 10:57 pm
SN8?
That's a very short starship.

You're missing 5 rings between the tanks and the nosecone.

And the upper wings sit entirely on the nosecone, at an angle.

Yes, it's about 42m, or 8m short. The 50m version didn't fit in the SpaceX image. We don't know exactly how the body flaps sit just yet, just that the design has been simplified somewhat.

as high as possible, so not parallel to the aft fins
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/08/2020 01:04 pm
https://youtu.be/aooSD_YNbIc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/09/2020 06:32 am
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1292271319355207680

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Soon. Can't wait to see three (Veloci)Raptors fly together.
#SN5 and/or #SN6

@elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brendan290803 on 08/09/2020 06:52 am
https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1292352345490116609?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/10/2020 08:52 am
https://youtu.be/bSaQwu3Y4m0

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*THIS IS MY OWN DESIGN* - After multiple tweets from Elon Musk regarding the landing legs of both Starship and Superheavy, I decided to take a guess at what they will look like.
- Support me on Patreon: https://patreon.com/stanleycreative


Compiled tweets I designed this by: https://twitter.com/Caspar_Stanley/status/1292510963443408898
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They are clearly a derivative of what we saw in the official Lunar Starship (HLS) renders, but I adapted them to what I think better fits the details revealed by Musk. Take this animation with a grain of salt I am a simple 3D artist, not an engineer. Thanks for watching!
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SPECIAL THANKS TO THE PRODUCERS OF ROCKET EXPLORER:
Tim Dodd, NielsNB, Felix Schlang, Andrew Law, Anush Patel, Marcus House, TJ Cooney, and Adrian Kougianos! 👨‍🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/10/2020 08:54 am
How about a game of chess?

https://twitter.com/spacenosey/status/1292720675023724544
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 08/10/2020 01:37 pm
How about a game of chess?

https://twitter.com/spacenosey/status/1292720675023724544
Crew dragon as King, and Starlink sats as pawns.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 08/11/2020 02:38 pm
Hi NSF. I've been silent for a bit while I worked on this, but it's mostly done. Every detail on this model is hand painted with the exception of the landing leg welds on the skirt - those were ripped from a Mary @bocachicagal photo. Looking for informed feedback on where the RCS thrusters are most likely to be placed on more flight-worthy prototypes. Let me know what you think!

Hope you like it!
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1293179475543429121
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 08/11/2020 06:07 pm
Looks very nice, but I very much doubt it would have a single COPV exposed like that. All COPVs will likely be hidden in the sides, or in the cargo under the nose.

RCS thrusters will likely be in side aerosurface/raceway covers, or just built into the tail section. (Like they are built into the nose - see image here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50773.msg2083215#msg2083215 )
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 08/11/2020 06:15 pm
Looks very nice, but I very much doubt it would have a single COPV exposed like that. All COPVs will likely be hidden in the sides, or in the cargo under the nose.

RCS thrusters will likely be in side aerosurface/raceway covers, or just built into the tail section. (Like they are built into the nose - see image here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50773.msg2083215#msg2083215 )

Thanks! Yeah, I know about the COPV. It actually has all 7 of them but you can only see this one. I forgot to hide it before rendering. This model is intended to be chopped up so I can render several iterations of the prototype, including the current ones with COPVs :)

Thanks for feedback on the RCS!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SteveU on 08/11/2020 06:21 pm
Very nice Neopork.  the detail is great.

One minor nit - probably all access ports will be on the leeward side - none on the windward.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 08/11/2020 06:30 pm
Very nice Neopork.  the detail is great.

One minor nit - probably all access ports will be on the leeward side - none on the windward.

You know.. that makes a lot of sense :) I was referencing SN5 a lot which has those cut-in ports on both sides. Will change for future models :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/11/2020 07:09 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1293258827895386114

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So I've been building up the interior of #Starship for couple of days now. Here's  a peek of the shaft that connects the decks together.

6 decks -- two for cargo, three for crew quarters and the viewing deck up top.

PS. It fits 102 people plus cargo
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: philw1776 on 08/11/2020 08:24 pm
Suggest that each floor to floor should be offset so that in gravity situations folks or items couldn't fall several stories.
Better yet consider offset deck holes but with ladders that fold up to and then along the ceiling out of the way. No space wasted on all decks unless utilizing the ladders.  In free fall you gain a huge amount of cubic meters with just simple hatches.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/12/2020 04:14 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1293580245048729602

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#OccupyMars
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 08/12/2020 04:31 pm
Hi NSF.

I fixed the COPV for "SN8"(by removing it) and moved the access ports to the leeward side. Cranked up the grunge a little bit. Starship prototype front and back.

Enjoy! The picture is massive.

Bart/Neopork

patreon.com/neopork (http://patreon.com/neopork)
twitter.com/Neopork85 (http://twitter.com/Neopork85)
reddit.com/u/neopork (http://reddit.com/u/neopork)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/14/2020 11:04 am
https://twitter.com/homemdoespacobr/status/1294221748095901696

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one prototype with fins and external hardware - just a test
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/14/2020 05:38 pm
twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1271211383514857473

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@Erdayastronaut @elonmusk What do you think, SN6 or SN8?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1294326695546122241

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Impressive

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1294331497550249984

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SN8
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/15/2020 12:20 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1294296086543323150
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/15/2020 02:23 pm
https://twitter.com/axm61/status/1294090208997244929

https://twitter.com/axm61/status/1294092153807867906

https://twitter.com/axm61/status/1294538491678859264

https://twitter.com/axm61/status/1294538675662053376
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/17/2020 09:21 pm
Wow

https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1295459409154498565

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With more and more hardware showing up at the construction site, #SN8's 20km hop and belly flop are feeling a little more real, despite how unreal it'll look.

@elonmusk
@Erdayastronaut
@NASASpaceflight
@FelixSchlang
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 08/17/2020 09:38 pm
Wow

https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1295459409154498565

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With more and more hardware showing up at the construction site, #SN8's 20km hop and belly flop are feeling a little more real, despite how unreal it'll look.

@elonmusk
@Erdayastronaut
@NASASpaceflight
@FelixSchlang

"Very impressive render. Note, legs will be bigger & there’ll be way more stuff in engine bay. Main engines actually do majority of work in turning ship vertical before landing."
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295473111081447424
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 08/17/2020 11:28 pm
Reminds me of the "Adama Maneuver" during the infamous "Battle for New Caprica", without the FTL jump prior to touchdown/impact.  However, give Elon enough time and I could see him coming up with a Jump Drive!  ;)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/19/2020 04:42 pm
https://youtu.be/H0iIWGcGSpY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/21/2020 01:07 pm
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1296763423838134273

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Here it is. Just few more things to add and this scene is ready. Stay tuned for more updates on the new video!
@elonmusk @Erdayastronaut @FelixSchlang @spaceXcentric @MarcusHouseGame @TJ_Cooney
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: ZachF on 08/22/2020 03:45 pm
Hi NSF.

I fixed the COPV for "SN8"(by removing it) and moved the access ports to the leeward side. Cranked up the grunge a little bit. Starship prototype front and back.

Enjoy! The picture is massive.

Bart/Neopork

patreon.com/neopork (http://patreon.com/neopork)
twitter.com/Neopork85 (http://twitter.com/Neopork85)
reddit.com/u/neopork (http://reddit.com/u/neopork)

Beautiful!

Will you be doing any with the TPS tiles attached?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jsteve on 08/22/2020 07:51 pm
 Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: billh on 08/22/2020 08:36 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
This is great! Very clever. I have to say, though, you guys building all these Starship models remind me a bit of this guy.  :D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 08/22/2020 08:59 pm
Hi NSF - here are some new renders that I dropped on Twitter today. Enjoy!

2 were even Elon approved (liked). Woot woot.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85

www.patreon.com/neopork
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mandella on 08/23/2020 02:39 am
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.

The little astronaut at the base really completes the model!!!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 08/23/2020 10:09 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.

Coffee cans.... Great idea.

Looking at your lovely model I cannot help thinking of the old "spam in a can" expression...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/24/2020 01:31 am
https://youtu.be/t6TmkZ-IZJ4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/24/2020 01:35 am
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1297638492877361152

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Some big things being built in #Bocachica by #SpaceX. 
Estimated height comparisons

#Starhopper 18 m
Onion tent 21 m
Low bay 30 m
Mid bay 47 m
#Starship prototype 52 m
High bay 81 m
#Superheavy booster 72 m
Orbital launch pad/tower 156 m?
Starship/booster stack 124 m
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: kdhilliard on 08/24/2020 02:59 am
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
That's awesome!

The little astronaut at the base really completes the model!!!
Agreed, but does the scale mean that your astronaut is 4/3 normal size wrt SS/SH?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jsteve on 08/24/2020 12:14 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
That's awesome!

The little astronaut at the base really completes the model!!!
Agreed, but does the scale mean that your astronaut is 4/3 normal size wrt SS/SH?

he/she is 8 feet tall.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rsdavis9 on 08/24/2020 01:39 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
That's awesome!

The little astronaut at the base really completes the model!!!
Agreed, but does the scale mean that your astronaut is 4/3 normal size wrt SS/SH?

he/she is 8 feet tall.

Must be a martian. Martian grown may be taller!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: V96 on 08/24/2020 02:06 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1297638492877361152

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Some big things being built in #Bocachica by #SpaceX. 
Estimated height comparisons

#Starhopper 18 m
Onion tent 21 m
Low bay 30 m
Mid bay 47 m
#Starship prototype 52 m
High bay 81 m
#Superheavy booster 72 m
Orbital launch pad/tower 156 m?
Starship/booster stack 124 m

Why is midbay so unnaturally wide in this render? It's not as wide as highbay.

A couple things wrong with this:
Midbay is not that wide. And it's roughly 45 m tall.
The orbital launch pad that the booster sits on is taller than that, almost twice as tall as that render. The tower is accurate. So it should be closer to 170 m.
Starship/booster stack is 122 m. Starship is 50 m, 52 m when legs are extended. The legs are not extended when it sits on Super Heavy.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: [email protected] on 08/24/2020 02:21 pm
Starship/booster stack is 122 m. Starship is 50 m, 52 m when legs are extended. The legs are not extended when it sits on Super Heavy.
More like the Super Heavy is 72 m, and the Starship is still 50 m
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: V96 on 08/24/2020 02:24 pm
More like the Super Heavy is 72 m, and the Starship is still 50 m

Yes that is what I'm saying. Super Heavy is 70 m and then 2 extra meters from the fixed legs that Elon recently said SH will have.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Malatrope on 08/24/2020 02:49 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
This is great! Very clever. I have to say, though, you guys building all these Starship models remind me a bit of this guy.  :D

Build it, and they will come!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 08/24/2020 03:11 pm
I would not be surprised if the crane/fixed service tower also had a water tower built into it. 

Make it multi use.

I'm still surprised that the mid bay was built tall enough to install a nose cone. 

I trust Elon and crew know what they are doing, but biggest short coming, to me, is not having a bridge crane in the mid and high bay.  That would clean up handling of vehicles and components a great deal. 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: kdhilliard on 08/24/2020 04:50 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
That's awesome!
The little astronaut at the base really completes the model!!!
Agreed, but does the scale mean that your astronaut is 4/3 normal size wrt SS/SH?
he/she is 8 feet tall.
I was wondering what it would look like to pour 100 of them into the payload section.

If they only differed from appropriately scaled human figures by a 4/3 linear factor, that would make them (4/3)^3 = 2.37 times as voluminous as they should be.  But I understand that Lego characters run rather stout.  Brick Architect's LEGO figures in Scale models (https://brickarchitect.com/scale/) page states that the typical healthy human adult has a height to width ratio of 170 cm / 40 cm = 4.25, but that for a Lego MiniFigure it is more like 4 cm / 1.6 cm = 2.5, making them 4.25/2.5 = 1.7 times wider.  If that holds here (and perhaps it only does because they are wearing an EMU), then your astronaut figure is 2.37*(1.7)^2 = 6.85 times as voluminous as a realistically scaled astronaut in street clothes.

Let me say again just how much your model rocks!  I'm sharing annotated copies of that photo with friends, showing where the current prototypes fit in with the final design.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jsteve on 08/25/2020 08:10 pm
Almost (3/4) Lego scale rendering of SS/SH stac in coffee cans, paper mache, flashing and Popsicle sticks.  Fins will need re-doing when we see what they really look like.
That's awesome!
The little astronaut at the base really completes the model!!!
Agreed, but does the scale mean that your astronaut is 4/3 normal size wrt SS/SH?
he/she is 8 feet tall.
I was wondering what it would look like to pour 100 of them into the payload section.

If they only differed from appropriately scaled human figures by a 4/3 linear factor, that would make them (4/3)^3 = 2.37 times as voluminous as they should be.  But I understand that Lego characters run rather stout.  Brick Architect's LEGO figures in Scale models (https://brickarchitect.com/scale/) page states that the typical healthy human adult has a height to width ratio of 170 cm / 40 cm = 4.25, but that for a Lego MiniFigure it is more like 4 cm / 1.6 cm = 2.5, making them 4.25/2.5 = 1.7 times wider.  If that holds here (and perhaps it only does because they are wearing an EMU), then your astronaut figure is 2.37*(1.7)^2 = 6.85 times as voluminous as a realistically scaled astronaut in street clothes.

Let me say again just how much your model rocks!  I'm sharing annotated copies of that photo with friends, showing where the current prototypes fit in with the final design.

Here are 18 off-watch giant astronauts (all I could find)  at the bottom of a SS hab module.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/28/2020 01:05 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1299037432533233665

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With a possible first flight of #SpaceX #Starship SN6 only days away, I wanted to share what it has took to get here.
This is each major test, from #starhopper to SN6 static fire.
Also here is a link to an animation of each test.
youtu.be/Lg2nyx5ny5g

The animation is posted up thread - here (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47144.msg2117568#msg2117568).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/28/2020 01:50 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1299341237124620288

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Starship’s  SN-6 is all set to launch over the next few days, here is an infographic look at the last few days of its journey. @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/29/2020 04:16 pm
https://youtu.be/i7fQTZEXhr0

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Published on 29 Aug 2020
An animation of a sunset hop of SpaceX's SN6 Starship prototype.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/29/2020 05:20 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1299735762175393792

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Superheavy SN1: Two Raptor engines. Some wack prototype legs. Smol people. Done by October? Damn.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/29/2020 09:13 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1299815628270981120

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Made an animation of Superheavy SN1 as I think it might look. Let me know what you think!

When do you think we will see a full stack? When will it fly?

▶ youtu.be/K9SOQ4cpaU8

https://youtu.be/K9SOQ4cpaU8
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 08/30/2020 06:02 am
Crappy pen and ink doodles are still allowed, right?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/30/2020 06:56 pm
Another fab animation by retrojet

SpaceX Starship Facility Update / August 28th, 2020

With a little focus on upcoming SUPERHEAVY Prototypes.
How will they look like next the the High Bay or on the Orbital Launch Mount!
That Thing is Huge!!!!

https://youtu.be/P9xUtnthr1s
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/31/2020 03:21 pm
https://youtu.be/0N6oQLTWmVY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/02/2020 06:19 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1300793971229306884

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28 engines, 20 fixed outer ones, and 8 in the middle around thrust-puck. 4 legs. Am I even close? @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/02/2020 10:16 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1301279799093137409

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First Crewed StarShip Mission with a Celebratory Space Walk. (2023)

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 09/03/2020 01:01 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1301279799093137409

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First Crewed StarShip Mission with a Celebratory Space Walk. (2023)

#SpaceX #Starship

That render image is unlikely. This is SpaceX. So where is the Astronaut in a scarlet & gold flying EVA suit similar to the one on displayed at the Hawthorne lobby.  ;D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/03/2020 11:40 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1301304646053498880

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The @SpaceX SN6 test flight should happen over the next few days. In my latest infographic I show launch preparations and how the flight should unfold. Once the flight is completed I’ll post an update of the historic event here & a free 150dpi version at tonybela.com
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/03/2020 03:25 pm
Cool 360 animation

https://youtu.be/_poU7A9LYwQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/04/2020 06:36 am
https://twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1301719579471867904

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Starship landed on Mars. Modeled by me in Fusion 360 over the past few days.

#SpaceX #Starship #Mars
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brendan290803 on 09/05/2020 02:42 am
https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1302072705009594368?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/05/2020 10:39 am
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1302193918684127232

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We were really busy these few days but now we are back and ready to finish this project. Can't wait to share it with you!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/05/2020 04:15 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1302277221588054018

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V A C T O R 😆😍🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/05/2020 06:01 pm
https://twitter.com/erdayastronaut/status/1302287251779530753

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I have a new pride in life 😍 Charles made this absolutely stunning Raptor engine for me and now I think I need a whole collection of engines at scale... how awesome is this?!?! 🤯 I am blown away!!!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/05/2020 09:52 pm
I’m continually amazed by the amount of work people put into animations like this:

https://youtu.be/TUWMgshx-Hw
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/06/2020 07:39 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1302398323794509824

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Starship Orbital Refueling is a Game-Changer.

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1302398780172632065

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The  Starship Highfive.👋
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/06/2020 08:38 am
twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302373768170438658

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Comparison of our 2 future Deep Space ship options!

https://twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302374225165000706

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Orion model by Mark Piatowski

https://twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302384505915953155

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Just realized that if I make the cargo door 1m wider Orion can fit to go through! Starship could be an mothership for Orions, carrying a few of them in her cargo bay! 😄
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brendan290803 on 09/06/2020 08:39 am
https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1302501491303874566?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 09/08/2020 10:53 pm
twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302373768170438658

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Comparison of our 2 future Deep Space ship options!

https://twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302374225165000706 (https://twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302374225165000706)

Orion is not really a DS option. It's only a LEO/cislunar taxi to take the *massive crew* of 4 to the as yet totally undesigned (even unconcieved?) NASA DS option. Starship on the other hand ....
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 09/12/2020 11:21 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1304740873612255233?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/12/2020 02:11 pm
This is nicely done

https://youtu.be/HrDOGsQSaQo

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1304792968130224128

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Cool
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/13/2020 01:37 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1304918058713198594

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SpaceX StarShip SN8 20Km Testflight.

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/13/2020 10:20 am
More SN8 previews? :)

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1305085420364083200

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The SkyDive Maneuver.

#SpaceX #Starship #Bocachica
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lykos on 09/13/2020 10:58 am
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Orion model by Mark Piatowski
https://twitter.com/sotirisg5/status/1302384505915953155
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Just realized that if I make the cargo door 1m wider Orion can fit to go through! Starship could be an mothership for Orions, carrying a few of them in her cargo bay! 😄

If you want to be correct and far, you have to ad the Service Modul to the Orion-Spaceship!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 09/13/2020 09:20 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1305254512039546880?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/15/2020 12:06 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1305652455607275520

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Project is done!👇

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1305683470107148288

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Pretty accurate simulation, although SN8 will use 3 Raptors. If SN8 craters, SN9 & SN10 are close behind. High production rate allows for fast iteration.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/15/2020 03:18 am
 8)

https://twitter.com/gameplay_review/status/1305648996980068353

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Thanks to the images and videos shared by @BocaChicaGal @NASASpaceflight and @RGVaerialphotos I was able to build pretty good Starship SN5 and SN6 Prototypes in #KSP.   Of course thanks also goes out to @SpaceX and @elonmusk for building them :D Showcase video to follow soon :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/15/2020 09:51 am
Here’s the cool video

https://youtu.be/bVkq3isEHmA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Slarty1080 on 09/16/2020 05:46 pm
I have created some Starship floorplans in this thread:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47064.msg2129648#msg2129648

I would like to convert them to 3D images, but I don't have the required skills, although I'm happy to learn.
Does anyone have any suggestions for software to use and does anyone have a 3D model of the latest version of Starship that I could play with with emphasis on the interior?

I don't want to high-jack this thread into a long software discussion, but I thought a few posts would be appropriate here rather than starting a new thread.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 09/16/2020 09:24 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1305983461182840832
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/17/2020 09:10 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1306695479590359040

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Made this quickly here tonight to show off the mad scale of Superheavy. 🤯
 
It's gonna be crazy, I can't wait to see the first full ring stack!... 🚀 @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/18/2020 10:33 pm
 :)

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1307084857777025030

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How To Crater An Interplanetary StarShip.

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 09/19/2020 01:47 am
:)

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1307084857777025030

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How To Crater An Interplanetary StarShip.

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk
https://twitter.com/ErcXspace/status/1307099057576435713
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/20/2020 07:01 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1307750082075398149

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My SpaceX Orbital Mount Progress. (Render)

#SpaceX #Starship #Bocachica
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 09/20/2020 07:55 pm
Hi NSF,

I posted these yesterday on Twitter so you may have already seen them, but here they are in full resolution.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/20/2020 09:32 pm
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1307794212868501504

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Starship SN8 landing after successful belly flop maneuver!
Can't wait for this to happen!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/20/2020 10:02 pm
https://youtu.be/K2EjuTAyn6E
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: dgmckenzie on 09/20/2020 10:35 pm
Hmm, nice.

But it looks like it could collapse on failure.

Need a design that is less likely to collapse when weight is a applied.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Lars-J on 09/20/2020 10:39 pm
https://youtu.be/K2EjuTAyn6E
Nice video, but the concept bit too “rube goldberg”, IMO.

Like the lunar lander concept showed, they are still looking at leg options that are external rather just than internal. They will choose whatever approach is simpliest while still providing the self-leveling capability.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Keldor on 09/20/2020 11:12 pm
https://youtu.be/K2EjuTAyn6E

If the lower leg sections rotated the other direction, the legs could lock rather than relying solely on the extension hydraulics to keep them from folding under the weight of the rocket.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 09/20/2020 11:12 pm
https://youtu.be/K2EjuTAyn6E
Nice video, but the concept bit too “rube goldberg”, IMO.

Like the lunar lander concept showed, they are still looking at leg options that are external rather just than internal. They will choose whatever approach is simpliest while still providing the self-leveling capability.

The mechanism to level the vehicle upon or after landing seems to me to big a huge challenge. 

I love this video but share the thought that it looks like it could collapse with a failure.   However the hydraulics could help level it.  But not sure hydraulics can react quickly enough on a landing.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 09/20/2020 11:50 pm
https://youtu.be/K2EjuTAyn6E (https://youtu.be/K2EjuTAyn6E)
Nice video, but the concept bit too “rube goldberg”, IMO.

Like the lunar lander concept showed, they are still looking at leg options that are external rather just than internal. They will choose whatever approach is simpliest while still providing the self-leveling capability.

The mechanism to level the vehicle upon or after landing seems to me to big a huge challenge. 
Ball screw actuators would seem to fit the bill. (On second thought though, with moon dust being as abrasive as it is, maybe not.  It would be interesting to know how well those on the V-22 hold up in the Middle East environment.)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brendan290803 on 09/21/2020 12:19 am
https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1307836585719734273?s=19
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/21/2020 09:10 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1308146045835186176

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Starship Crew Access Arm

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: equiserre on 09/22/2020 05:47 pm
Awesome work everybody. One suggestion: the Superheavy booster must have raceways somewhere. It doesn't have strakes to hide piping and cables like Starship does.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: MKremer on 09/22/2020 06:53 pm
Awesome work everybody. One suggestion: the Superheavy booster must have raceways somewhere. It doesn't have strakes to hide piping and cables like Starship does.
I agree; at least shallow raceways for cabling and small diameter tubing. The main propellant piping could still be internal.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/24/2020 09:27 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1309226348615999490

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Stacking has begun. Next up - Nosecone. Stay Tuned.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Pheogh on 09/24/2020 10:36 pm
Just adding to the leg speculation. Sorry in advance for the rough renders but just wanted to get the idea out there. The goal was to make sure the legs were completely inside the body. Incorporate the F9 pneumatic extenders. Reinforce the skirt internally to meet up with the forces after deployment. I'm sure it's a flight of fancy, but also thought it would be cool if there was some kind of ranging that could be done on descent such that the legs were already prepositioned at touch down. Again these are working renders just for concept blocking. 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 09/24/2020 11:42 pm

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1309270584510078977?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/25/2020 01:14 pm
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1309437041839611911

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Just a few more of these and then we'll start working on the updated  model!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/25/2020 11:22 pm
https://twitter.com/mariusmeyer3/status/1309567638918647808

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Enjoyed the part about the proposed Leg Options. Here is my proposal in the form of a rudimentary animation. (3 - 4 Legs) I'm sure your 3D artist can do much better. I enjoy your shows very much.  Felix, you rock!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/26/2020 02:10 pm
https://youtu.be/1WQTCYsiS_s
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/30/2020 06:37 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1311369990344409088

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Making Life Multiplanetary.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 09/30/2020 11:56 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1311369990344409088

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Making Life Multiplanetary.

#SpaceX #Starship

- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 10/01/2020 12:13 am

- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: moreno7798 on 10/01/2020 12:24 am

- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?

The point is that that will be the same way in-orbit fueling will work. So why not a common system?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 10/01/2020 12:37 am

- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?

The point is that that will be the same way in-orbit fueling will work. So why not a common system?

You can still do that through the interstage section of Super Heavy. 

I won't be surprised if they use umbilical arms for fuel and oxidizer. 

I fully expect there will be an umbilical arm for a air duct to the payload bay and interstage.  That duct will be pretty big so they won't want to the weight and size penalty of routing that through the vehicle. 

Edit: Gorgeous renders, thank you!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SteveU on 10/01/2020 12:39 am

- Very nice, but I would expect to see anti-sway arms to stabilize against wind.
- Also, propellant and umbilical lines are planned to enter from the bottom.

John

John

but what really is the point of fueling starship through superheavy?

The point is that that will be the same way in-orbit fueling will work. So why not a common system?
Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

Edit - ninja’d by wannamoonbase
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 10/01/2020 10:33 am
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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

Edit - ninja’d by wannamoonbase

Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SteveU on 10/01/2020 12:11 pm
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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

Edit - ninja’d by wannamoonbase

Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
I've never really bought into the belief that the full stack would be fueled/serviced by a single GSE connection.  While minimizing the number interfaces, you've significantly increased the complexity of the SH plumbing system by adding valves to shift flow from one vehicle to another and added the mass of the extra piping and valves, etc.

I would also imagine you'll now need to fuel SH and SS sequentially significantly increasing the length of time needed.

While there are pros and cons to each method, I just cannot see the benefit of having a single GSE connection to the stack - especially at the bottom.  As aesthetically pleasing as it may be.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sebk on 10/01/2020 01:06 pm
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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

Edit - ninja’d by wannamoonbase

Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
I've never really bought into the belief that the full stack would be fueled/serviced by a single GSE connection.  While minimizing the number interfaces, you've significantly increased the complexity of the SH plumbing system by adding valves to shift flow from one vehicle to another and added the mass of the extra piping and valves, etc.

I would also imagine you'll now need to fuel SH and SS sequentially significantly increasing the length of time needed.

While there are pros and cons to each method, I just cannot see the benefit of having a single GSE connection to the stack - especially at the bottom.  As aesthetically pleasing as it may be.

We're off topic here (in this thread). But this is about simplicity of the operations. Connections close to ground level simplify operations. You want simplicity if you want to fly tanker 3 times a day.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 10/01/2020 01:14 pm
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Yes - but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to have an umbilical tie in at the SH portion of the interstate section then feed the SS from there. By doing that a lot of extra mass in plumbing and electrical cables could be eliminated from the SH.

Edit - ninja’d by wannamoonbase

Which adds quick disconnect interfaces which can (and have) fail and umbilicals which can fry from the big blowtorch. Internal they're protected.
I've never really bought into the belief that the full stack would be fueled/serviced by a single GSE connection.  While minimizing the number interfaces, you've significantly increased the complexity of the SH plumbing system by adding valves to shift flow from one vehicle to another and added the mass of the extra piping and valves, etc.

I would also imagine you'll now need to fuel SH and SS sequentially significantly increasing the length of time needed.

While there are pros and cons to each method, I just cannot see the benefit of having a single GSE connection to the stack - especially at the bottom.  As aesthetically pleasing as it may be.

We're off topic here (in this thread). But this is about simplicity of the operations. Connections close to ground level simplify operations. You want simplicity if you want to fly tanker 3 times a day.

You're right. Too much discussion in the render thread. May this crude but symbolic doodle of the first orbital Starship zeroing out its apogee as it falls down to the target altitude and comes up to orbital speed usher a safe return of the thread to pictures of cool CGI renders.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/01/2020 07:11 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1311369990344409088

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1311743665467994112

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Great render! The circumferential welds & skin panels will be much smoother in future builds.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/03/2020 04:37 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1312425073123487746

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Sunset Boarding.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/03/2020 05:44 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1312440232332062721

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What will the first orbital Starship look like? 

Here is my concept for what we might see during the #SpaceX #Starship presentation latter this month.  Smaller test windows, exterior mounted legs, and a full belly of thermal tiles. 

What do my fellow space fans think?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: geza on 10/04/2020 05:41 pm
Very nice. My only objection is the protruding leg covers on the winward side. They will mess with the hypersonic flow, I guess.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/04/2020 08:04 pm
https://youtu.be/jR04Xne1oIw
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 10/06/2020 03:23 pm
HI NSF!

I have been working hard on my SN8 model and it's ready for debut. Redid the flaps, aero, legs, and 100% new textures. Added external wiring and pipes. Definitely the best thing I have done to date. Let me know any constructive criticism!

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/06/2020 03:26 pm
HI NSF!

I have been working hard on my SN8 model and it's ready for debut. Redid the flaps, aero, legs, and 100% new textures. Added external wiring and pipes. Definitely the best thing I have done to date. Let me know any constructive criticism!

Amazing! Thanks so much for sharing - a like just isn’t enough!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: OldGold on 10/06/2020 04:52 pm
HI NSF!

I have been working hard on my SN8 model and it's ready for debut. Redid the flaps, aero, legs, and 100% new textures. Added external wiring and pipes. Definitely the best thing I have done to date. Let me know any constructive criticism!
This is the best Starship render I’ve seen anywhere.  Very well done!  Would love to see some rotations, maybe the windward side with flaps partially folded, as we expect during a bellyflop?


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Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 10/06/2020 05:00 pm
Here you go.

Belly flop renders are coming, but I need a few days to get them ready. I will probably do some spin animations and some other animations with this guy too.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Crispy on 10/06/2020 05:27 pm
One small thing FutureSpaceTourist: The engines should have the same planar symmetry as the wings, with one RapVac at the dorsal (leeward) position.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 10/06/2020 05:56 pm
One small thing FutureSpaceTourist: The engines should have the same planar symmetry as the wings, with one RapVac at the dorsal (leeward) position.

Future Space Tourist is the curator - he finds these and posts them here. Nick Henning is the artist and he has already gotten this feedback on Twitter :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/06/2020 06:46 pm
Wow, a great 20s to tease us ...

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1313547604911939585

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Something Huge is on the Horizon.

#SpaceX #Starship
@FelixSchlang @smvllstvrs

Edit to add: couple of hi-res stills

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1312734649077112833

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Beautiful Boca Chica.👀

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/07/2020 08:02 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1313903557234634753

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Starship Enterprise.

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1314113154696310784

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Great render. Note, there will need to be an arm that lifts booster to launch stand & ship to booster.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 10/08/2020 06:10 pm
I am particularly proud of this one :)

Enjoy
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/08/2020 10:30 pm
twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1314330441340669952

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We're getting there

https://twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1314328667561091074

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Getting the bottom skirt done as well
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: moreno7798 on 10/09/2020 01:07 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1313903557234634753

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Starship Enterprise.

#SpaceX #Starship #ElonMusk

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1314113154696310784

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Great render. Note, there will need to be an arm that lifts booster to launch stand & ship to booster.

Great render. Definitely the tower will need to be taller in order to have enough clearance for the ship to be lifted onto the booster.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Hog on 10/09/2020 02:16 pm
So this render would require a "Musked" version of a hammerhead crane for stacking operations?

Nice work NEOPORK!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/09/2020 09:20 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1314534122937815041

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Trying some new Tiles™ 🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/10/2020 02:19 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1314928681098321921

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Descent in the atmosphere  (L ö ö p i n g  animation 😙👌)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/10/2020 06:48 pm
https://twitter.com/smvllstvrs/status/1314996612410806272

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Check out the cargo & passenger Starships next to each other. I think I made the cargo bay door too small and open too wide, but I still love how this render looks!

@ErcXspace @elonmusk @FelixSchlang   @MarcusHouseGame @Caspar_Stanley @Neopork85
#spacex #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/14/2020 07:25 pm
Congratulations to Neopork on fab renders liked by Elon.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316442326777110536

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More great renderings! Significant improvements coming to the welds.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 10/14/2020 07:39 pm
Congratulations to Neopork on fab renders liked by Elon.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316442326777110536

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More great renderings! Significant improvements coming to the welds.

Thanks FST :) Here they are in full resolution. Twitter compresses the hell out of them.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: 1 on 10/14/2020 08:08 pm
Excellent renders.

Also, my compliments for the most unobtrusive watermark I've ever seen.  ;)
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Post by: Neopork on 10/14/2020 09:02 pm
Excellent renders.

Also, my compliments for the most unobtrusive watermark I've ever seen.  ;)

At this point people know they're mine I think. Haha.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/15/2020 06:56 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1316520039017852928

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Literally Space Gray.

#SpaceX #Starship #StarlinkDeliveryMachine
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JaimeZX on 10/15/2020 08:16 am
Thanks FST :) Here they are in full resolution. Twitter compresses the hell out of them.
Those are amazing, bro.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/15/2020 11:49 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1316704173384179713

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Yo, it's SN8's Nose Fins!:

Fin movement by different artist:

https://youtu.be/kv4-qkH0dK0
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/15/2020 04:02 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1316743440131072002

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Reworked my #Raptor models to have more deets and updated the nozzle for RVac.

Three of these bad bois will be pushing the SN8 to the skies in the upcoming hop to 60k ft
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 10/15/2020 09:31 pm
Unadulterated Power!

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1316850925181579264?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/16/2020 01:47 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1317096374102523908

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Rigged the #Raptor SL model with hydraulics. Simple to animate with just one control point. 15 deg of travel each way.

@elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/17/2020 03:41 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1317490269101633538

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Full pitch, yaw and roll control with just the three #Raptor engines. Still 15 deg of travel without intersecting bells, even in roll config

@elonmusk @spacex @AlitaArmy
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 10/17/2020 03:47 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1317490269101633538

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Full pitch, yaw and roll control with just the three #Raptor engines. Still 15 deg of travel without intersecting bells, even in roll config

@elonmusk @spacex @AlitaArmy

Kimi flexing pretty hard with this one. Amazing work dude.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/18/2020 03:28 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1317849521108537351

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Closer (and longer) look of the whole #Starship, gimballing #Raptor's and some other stuff 😉 Sound on 🔊

@elonmusk @SpaceX  @AlitaArmy
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nevyn72 on 10/18/2020 10:12 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1317849521108537351

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Closer (and longer) look of the whole #Starship, gimballing #Raptor's and some other stuff 😉 Sound on 🔊

@elonmusk @SpaceX  @AlitaArmy

Oh WOW!  :)

A link directly to the Youtube video.

https://youtu.be/h1mAWWBMMNA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/19/2020 05:05 pm
Can’t wait for this

https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1318233364218834945

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Within the week it’s quite possible we will see @SpaceX ‘s SN8 make the history books. Here is a sneak peek at my infographic (I will upload on launch day) detailing step-by-step, how the flight should play out, then followed with an update on how it flew. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/19/2020 06:14 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1318251975658688520

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Evening StarLink Launch, 2022.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/19/2020 09:11 pm
https://youtu.be/1PC47YrDtFs
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/19/2020 10:18 pm
https://twitter.com/rogerlewisholt/status/1085257602500620288

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I was thinking about what it would be like for internal space inside the SpaceX Starship, so I made this to scale comparison image of the internal layout of the SpaceX Starship and the Skylab space station. @John_Gardi @DrPhiltill @Avron_p @julia_bergeron
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 10/19/2020 11:44 pm
https://youtu.be/1PC47YrDtFs
Thought the header tanks were "simply" for the orientation burns, and that the main tanks would take over again once flow was established - no?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Pheogh on 10/20/2020 06:13 pm
Still very IP on this but thought I'd share where my model is at right now. This is a hybrid of real and conceptual elements.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: loekf on 10/21/2020 04:04 pm
https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1318944093918015491?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: TRS717 on 10/21/2020 04:36 pm
https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1318944093918015491?s=20
All these renders are terrific, but there's something incredibly retro and appealing about those from Tony Bela. They make me feel like a little kid getting excited about rockets again.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 10/21/2020 09:39 pm
https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1318944093918015491?s=20 (https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1318944093918015491?s=20)
All these renders are terrific, but there's something incredibly retro and appealing about those from Tony Bela. They make me feel like a little kid getting excited about rockets again.
I can't remember ever being this excited about rockets and spaceflight, and I can remember watching the Enterprise drop tests.  If Starship/Super Heavy works as advertised it will deliver the paradigm shift the Shuttle promised and never delivered.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 10/22/2020 03:43 pm
https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1318944093918015491?s=20
All these renders are terrific, but there's something incredibly retro and appealing about those from Tony Bela. They make me feel like a little kid getting excited about rockets again.

Agreed! Somewhere, Robert A. Heinlein has a big damned grin.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Zanzalur on 10/22/2020 05:47 pm
Digital Painting i made of a Starship landing on Earth.

https://twitter.com/SpaceZanz/status/1319331293151268870
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/23/2020 11:15 am
Ok, so SN8 is officially big!

https://twitter.com/spaceintellige3/status/1319588767712378880

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Size comparison, SpaceX Starship Sn8 vs A380 vs Tesla Cybertruck. First render.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/23/2020 12:19 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1319598870180077569

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Because everyone wants SpaceX stuff... 🚀

Here's my smallsat launcher comparison from yesterday, but with some big ol' SpaceX rockets that you guys know very well ;)

(Added a smol human too)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/23/2020 01:03 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1319624661752307713

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After 62 hours of rendering, 6 hours of fixing in post, crying in shower for 2 and it is finally done!

The Rave Cave

@elonmusk I'm expecting an invitation to the Giga Berlin opening rave, will bring glowsticks 😉

https://youtu.be/tosHQWkuaXQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: captainoverboard on 10/23/2020 01:34 pm
Hello, I hope this is not too off topic. 
I'd love to see folks adapt Mark Holderman's Nautilus-X concept to Starship.

https://youtu.be/hObbL4DCesI
https://youtu.be/04HyXw-kcC0
The payload segments would work with the cargo version of the SpaceX Starship.

Best,

Tom
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/24/2020 10:06 am
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1319943053629657088

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#BocaChica high bay model coming along nicely.
Massive thanks to @RaceOrbit for ~accurate measurements
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/24/2020 11:01 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1320131919858860032

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Just a reminder that SpaceX will actually offer a 22-meter extended fairing variant of Starship to future customers. 👀

Current fairing is 17.24 meters tall.

It might not look like a big difference here, but that's an extra 4.76 meters, which adds a good ~239m³ of volume! 🤯
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/25/2020 06:46 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1320132184427081729

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Boost Up.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/26/2020 12:39 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1320721172871479297

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High Bay (and the bar up top) coming along nicely. Added 13km x 9km of actual scenery from #Boca with a realistic atmosphere
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/26/2020 04:24 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1320752811554926593

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#SpaceX #Starship
Falling back to the world

Here is a quick shot of my speculative future design of a starship (SN26?)  Using is areoflaps in the upper atmosphere.

Here's to the hopefully successful first flight of Starship SN8. 

@spacex @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: KBK on 10/26/2020 05:15 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1320131919858860032

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Just a reminder that SpaceX will actually offer a 22-meter extended fairing variant of Starship to future customers. 👀

Current fairing is 17.24 meters tall.

It might not look like a big difference here, but that's an extra 4.76 meters, which adds a good ~239m³ of volume! 🤯

Which is exactly what is required to launch sections for a toroidal space station.

Mass of the sections is not particularly high, even when fully outfitted with a radiation shield. Each section is calculated to be no more than 40% of the max LEO. Which gives headroom for all kinds of directions and whatnot, to happen, per given flight.. or... re the orbital of the finished assembly.

Additional hardware can be launched at the same time as the section, balancing the load out, etc.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/27/2020 08:53 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1321202084738437126

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Highspeed. For everyone.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/30/2020 07:20 am
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1321793430780022784

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Starship lift-off from Starship sea launch platform.
#SpaceX #ElonMusk #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/30/2020 08:20 am
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1321483272828997633

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So, I was planning on having a video done this week about Raptor. I may have (slightly) underestimated how long 4K footage would take to render, so it's looking like it won't be done until the middle of next week

Until then, enjoy a frame from that upcoming video.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 10/30/2020 03:38 pm
Starship Super Heavy sea launch/landing platform concept by Roger Bootsma (SpaceXvision) (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/10/spacex-starship-super-heavy-launching.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/30/2020 08:47 pm
https://twitter.com/jack_meets/status/1322133875636768769

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Just finished my first SN8 renders, but there's still a lot of work to do to get to the level of @Neopork85 . I need to rework the skirt, flap and nose textures, add COPV's into the skirt and finish the aero covers.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 10/31/2020 02:05 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1322508760355659778
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/01/2020 12:23 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1322709129518002182

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HOW STARSHIP WILL CONTROL! 🚀

This is a quite new way of controlling a rocket, so it will be really interesting to see it tried for the first time soon!

Edit to add:

https://youtu.be/9WCvUE5iBXk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/01/2020 01:15 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1322721612618223616
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/01/2020 06:41 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1322725112848609280

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My latest @SpaceX Starship SN8 infographic. After the mission launch I will adjust the visuals and data then repost. Follow me and look out for updates.

High-res version available at http://www.tonybela.com/ (doesn’t explicitly say free for non-profit use so I’m not attaching)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/01/2020 11:55 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1322883882325282816
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/01/2020 11:21 pm
https://youtu.be/ZDXazpbe2Iw
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/02/2020 02:40 pm
Elon seal of approval:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1323288694955061257

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Very close to actual expected flight!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/02/2020 06:57 pm
https://youtu.be/mdoXiwKiRpU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/03/2020 12:58 pm
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1323625398341697536
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 11/05/2020 03:39 pm
Sketch of Starship SN8 15km flight by Colin Doublier (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/11/sketch-of-spacex-starship-sn8-15km.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 11/05/2020 05:39 pm
Crew Transfer in Lunar orbit.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1324418809474797568?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/05/2020 10:04 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1324485467526627337

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Martian Twilight.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/07/2020 12:47 pm
https://youtu.be/QCwN00ozWa8

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I'll never really look at this engine the same way again. This video is an extremely simplified cutaway of SpaceX's Raptor engine, currently in use powering the company's Starship prototypes. Even the simplified diagram really shows the level of engineering that goes into starting just one of these engines, and that really puts the engineering challenges of starting 28 of these on a Super Heavy Booster into perspective.

If you like to help support future videos: https://www.patreon.com/C_Bass3d
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/07/2020 01:48 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1325087260463648768

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In the coming days SpaceX will launch their Starship SN8 to a height of 15km. The test flight will gather data to help improve the flight & landing capability of future Starship prototypes. Many firsts will be attempted on this mission in the first of many. Good luck team SpaceX.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/08/2020 07:30 am
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1325339814615511041

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Starship crew access arm retracting for an on-time Starship sea launch to the international Star station (yes I do think we need to think about Star stations now, ). The animation is rendering right now...can't wait.🤓
@elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/08/2020 03:31 pm
https://youtu.be/XD6LMHmPcTU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 11/09/2020 11:34 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1325535384453910529?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/09/2020 12:20 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1325787042354094081

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A few people have been asking if I could upload this image. Here is my schematic interpretation of SpaceX’s Starship SN8, (please note that this is not offical) it’s based on my research of dozens of photographs and illustrations.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/09/2020 06:48 pm
https://youtu.be/1iRvOjbESGg

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1325937554236043266

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There’s no entry/braking burn & hypersonic angle of attack is ~70 degrees
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Sohl on 11/09/2020 06:54 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1325535384453910529?s=20

Looks a bit like a "You are here" diagram.   ;D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/10/2020 11:32 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1326320459835641856
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/12/2020 03:44 pm
https://youtu.be/VtAC6s4PYj8
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/13/2020 07:03 am
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1325948469949984769
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/14/2020 08:23 am
2nd half of this 6 min video contains animation of what Starship interior could be. Design includes 64 sleeping berths on 2 decks of 32:

https://youtu.be/aoaBb9trRA0
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: brendan290803 on 11/14/2020 12:02 pm
https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1327595571603931137?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/14/2020 12:02 pm
https://twitter.com/gameplay_review/status/1327589379389284352

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Stock Kerbal SN8 Flight Test Video is about to go live, I hope you all make it to the Premier :)

https://youtu.be/XoB_qrHtFDs
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/14/2020 01:26 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1327601554497679362
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 11/14/2020 04:47 pm
2nd half of this 6 min video contains animation of what Starship interior could be. Design includes 64 sleeping berths on 2 decks of 32:

https://youtu.be/aoaBb9trRA0


Some images from the interior layouts (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/11/spacex-starship-interior-concept-for-64.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/14/2020 09:01 pm
https://youtu.be/EoFthb8LWQc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/15/2020 04:16 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1327999154505834502

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1328022211530272771
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/15/2020 08:23 pm
https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1328083096651112448

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Awesome render of StarShip on a prototype launch tower

It’s from a SpaceX video that I think was shown in a talk and was uploaded but is no longer listed by SpaceX. There’s a copy at:

https://youtu.be/GX-VLlnd9Ks
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/16/2020 11:00 pm
https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1328485965053255689
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/17/2020 02:46 pm
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1328708293343252483

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WIP. New video. What if I told you we modeled every single room in this bad boy?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/18/2020 06:49 am
https://twitter.com/theprimaldino/status/1328724938002403332
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: alexterrell on 11/18/2020 07:37 am
https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1328083096651112448

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Awesome render of StarShip on a prototype launch tower

It’s from a SpaceX video that I think was shown in a talk and was uploaded but is no longer listed by SpaceX. There’s a copy at:

https://youtu.be/GX-VLlnd9Ks
Any thoughts as to why the whole stack is on a raised platform?

The platform would have to support the full thrust of the engines. Or maybe it would have holes for the exhaust, which means the Booster would be protected from flames?

Or maybe the artist just thought it would look cooler?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: docmordrid on 11/18/2020 07:41 am
https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1328083096651112448

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Awesome render of StarShip on a prototype launch tower

It’s from a SpaceX video that I think was shown in a talk and was uploaded but is no longer listed by SpaceX. There’s a copy at:

https://youtu.be/GX-VLlnd9Ks
Any thoughts as to why the whole stack is on a raised platform?

The platform would have to support the full thrust of the engines. Or maybe it would have holes for the exhaust, which means the Booster would be protected from flames?

Or maybe the artist just thought it would look cooler?

Considering SpaceX is now building raised platform pads for Super Heavy & Starship at Boca Chica and LC-39A, the video is prescient.

The difference is in the design details. The one at LC-39A resembles the rectangular version in the video, but the one being built at Boca Chica is a 6 legged platform.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/18/2020 11:37 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1328803670075596805

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New Project.👀🌑

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/18/2020 02:04 pm
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1329049832275767296

https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1329078199934861313
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/18/2020 02:09 pm
https://youtu.be/eezVoXFcyJI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/18/2020 10:25 pm
https://youtu.be/qazp94Q3Xh4

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SpaceX Starship monument on Phobos, a moon of Mars in the year 2120.  This is the first landing site of a Starship on Phobos.  Now a monument to that historic event in 2031 on the outskirts of the city. 
 
A tribute to classic retro Sci-fi.  This is a complete fiction, just some fun with CGI.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/19/2020 11:49 am
https://twitter.com/ncc1701xuwenjun/status/1329310535989350401

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Historical moment! Real picture of the first human Starship landing on Mars successfully! @elonmusk @Erdayastronaut @TheMarsSociety  @robert_zubrin  @AngelaOCISLY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/19/2020 12:58 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1329429273577467904

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UPDATED INFOGRAPHIC: The story so far: In the next few weeks we should see the 15km test flight of @SpaceX Starship SN8. The test will be filled with many firsts and the data gathered will be a giant step toward a future Starship launch to Mars and beyond.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/19/2020 07:10 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1329513130683150336
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/20/2020 03:43 pm
Live modelling stream

https://youtu.be/zGj_Bf1dNuI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/20/2020 07:16 pm
https://youtu.be/EoFthb8LWQc

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Here is an update to my re-entry animation after Elon Musk noted that there will be no de-orbit/re-entry burn and the ship will have a 70% angle of attack when it hits the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/21/2020 02:10 pm
twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1330161666064068608

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Orbital Starship assembly animation featuring dancing @elonmusk for scale comparison.

https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1330161755910262789
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 11/21/2020 04:27 pm
Fantastic job by Deepspacecourier!

Everything about the video is great. As for slight suggestions, I think dancing Elon could hang around a bit longer. Also both clips ended rather abruptly and should be spliced together.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/22/2020 12:44 pm
This will be great video when finished

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1330311618803224581

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1330490705345646599
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 11/22/2020 05:02 pm
This will be great video when finished

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1330311618803224581

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1330490705345646599

is there a "Top" is space?  Wouldn't it be more like +/- X, Y or Z  ;D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: V96 on 11/22/2020 05:31 pm
is there a "Top" is space?  Wouldn't it be more like +/- X, Y or Z  ;D
I think we can all agree the nose is the top.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 11/22/2020 05:45 pm
I think it’s customary to refer to the pointy end as the bow, and the flamey end as the stern, with directions being fore (towards the bow) and aft (towards the stern).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: daveglo on 11/22/2020 10:53 pm
I think it’s customary to refer to the pointy end as the bow, and the flamey end as the stern, with directions being fore (towards the bow) and aft (towards the stern).

And the various elevations inside the habitable volume as "decks".

So, Starship likely would have a "bridge deck', an "observation deck", one or more "cabin/habitation deck(s)", "cargo deck", etc.  Have fun planning your own deck layout.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 11/22/2020 11:24 pm
I think it’s customary to refer to the pointy end as the bow, and the flamey end as the stern, with directions being fore (towards the bow) and aft (towards the stern).
Nose and tail.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/25/2020 06:37 pm
https://youtu.be/SdkUQOAcQ1U
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/26/2020 04:51 pm
Click on the tweet for the full image

https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1332018858203303936
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/26/2020 09:49 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1332065575573598218

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Happy Thanksgiving!

I would just like to say, I'm thankful for all of you ♥️ You have all somehow managed to make 2020 not that bad for me, which is an incredible achievement. Thank you so so much! 🚀

// Caspar 👨‍🚀

https://youtu.be/vuQYUjIv1Wg
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/26/2020 10:52 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1332106909567111176

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Home Sweet Home.

#SpaceX #Thanksgiving
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/27/2020 08:46 pm
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1332440176229044225

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Suborbital Pad A - December 3, 2020.

Hopefully...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/27/2020 10:48 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1332462992592605184

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Lunar Excursion.

#SpaceX #Moonship

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1332478685954322432

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Imagine Returning to the Comforts of Starship after a Long Moonwalk.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 11/28/2020 03:33 pm
a set of 4 incredibly detailed posters of Starship SN8 15km test flight by Tony Bela (https://www.humanmars.net/2020/11/incredibly-detailed-posters-of-spacex.html)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/29/2020 02:08 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1333042379293683712

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A Huge Thank You to Everyone for Supporting Me to this Milestone, You Are Awesome.😄🚀✨
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 11/29/2020 07:25 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1333068112669913093?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/30/2020 01:47 pm
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1333103578865659904

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3 Starship variants nicely tucked away in the belly of Sea Base Alpha. Could probably fit more without social distancing rules. :)
#ElonMusk #starship #spacex
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 11/30/2020 02:35 pm
My latest render showing a couple SpaceX cargo Starships landing on Mars. Feedback welcome.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/30/2020 04:02 pm
I wonder if we’ll ever see this

https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1333455695275028481

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Two complete Starships!🚀🚀
#spacex #bocachica #starship
(2200ft msl, 11/27 PShopped)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Sohl on 11/30/2020 04:05 pm
My latest render showing a couple SpaceX cargo Starships landing on Mars. Feedback welcome.

I'd laugh so hard if Elon Musk actually paints a Neopork logo on a real Starship, even if just one of the prototypes.  ;D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 11/30/2020 05:37 pm
I wonder if we’ll ever see this

https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1333455695275028481

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Two complete Starships!🚀🚀
#spacex #bocachica #starship
(2200ft msl, 11/27 PShopped)

Elon doesn't wonder about that:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1333477514581336066
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 11/30/2020 07:45 pm
twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1333512073498812417

 8)

https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1333512418970963977

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Make sure to check out @hoppar_app for developing this awesome AR app!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/01/2020 12:18 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1333552319963729920
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 12/01/2020 06:17 pm
Pressed for Flight. 

"Ladies and Gentlemen this is your AI speaking, we will be departing shortly. Please ensure all loose items are stowed, cabin and launch tower crew prepare for departure. T-10 minutes."

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1333850232988295169?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/01/2020 11:09 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1333901045592944644
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/02/2020 07:55 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1334237562823725056

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Here is my weird Starship Leg Design, 2 deployable inside the skirt and 2 inside the flaps. All self levelling. (Really rushed the modelling part on this one, please excuse me😅)

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1334321901783511041

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Not bad
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 12/03/2020 11:03 am
Whoa, quite the accolade there, Erc X!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 12/03/2020 02:23 pm
Just another quick variation on my Mars landing render. Hope you like it.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mandella on 12/03/2020 05:49 pm
Whoa, quite the accolade there, Erc X!

Not only that, but it makes me wonder if that isn't actually one of the proposed landing leg systems -- putting two in the fins.

I do remember Musk saying recently that the topic of landing gear was still a hot one at Boca Chica...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: steveleach on 12/03/2020 08:11 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1334237562823725056

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Here is my weird Starship Leg Design, 2 deployable inside the skirt and 2 inside the flaps. All self levelling. (Really rushed the modelling part on this one, please excuse me😅)

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1334321901783511041

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Not bad
I don't get this design at all.

First, where does the exhaust from the Raptors go? How does it avoid blowing the skirt to pieces?Surely it needs longer legs, not shorter?

Second, it seems to be using the flaps to position legs on the leeward side, but that isn't where the problem is. You could easily put external legs there. The problem is windward.

What am I missing?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/03/2020 09:29 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1334615418749775873

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Spaceport Discovery.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/05/2020 03:47 pm
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1335211617303339008

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SLSS (Single Launch Space Station) prototype ready for a sea-base launch on a reusable super heavy booster & expendable second stage. 2* internal volume of ISS.
@elonmusk Do you think this is feasible? If so I will make this thing fly in space.(digitally of course :)))
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/05/2020 09:33 pm
https://youtu.be/M4WFs4kF5RA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/06/2020 09:06 am
Click through for full height render

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1335373741577089030

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Ad Astra.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/06/2020 03:39 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1335619493645725696
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/06/2020 11:57 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1335687809726881794
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 12/07/2020 07:27 pm
To celebrate the upcoming test flight, I put out a couple new renders of launch and belly flop.

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1335969685523795970
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/08/2020 01:03 pm
https://youtu.be/ylYgfsbJp_8
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/09/2020 12:57 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1336671003255062528

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So SN8 didn’t launch yesterday, it may not launch today, if not, I hope to provide you with a sneak peak at what to look forward to. The real thing will be worth the wait. A bit of artistic license was used to depicted the illustration as a dusk launch. Free to use, everywhere.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/10/2020 11:57 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1337199029793533952
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/11/2020 01:39 pm
This is amazing! Seamless blending of Super Heavy booster animation with actual SN8 flight footage. Wow!

https://twitter.com/pockn_cg/status/1337367072024612865
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/11/2020 11:05 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1337530237563924481
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/13/2020 12:44 pm
https://twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1337818434491588610

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SN8 render time babyyyy

https://twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1337843797041016845
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/13/2020 04:41 pm
https://youtu.be/T4RfhGPBTiw
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/14/2020 07:20 pm
https://youtu.be/FYsnXRLMWrY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/15/2020 04:52 pm
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1338903868302831618

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Here is some SpaceX Starship Tanker version eye candy. Pure hard-rolled steel, providing planet exploring Starships with hard-launched fuel.
@elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/19/2020 06:52 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1340106982120943619

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The result of spending a week perfecting things for you.🚀✨

(Last week, and tonight.)😄
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/20/2020 02:35 pm
https://youtu.be/lzk9Gnorh_M
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/21/2020 05:28 pm
https://youtu.be/mF7t3pPDuAw
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/23/2020 05:38 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1341812766395514880
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 12/25/2020 02:31 pm
Look at all those presents!
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1342491550190882816?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/26/2020 01:59 pm
https://twitter.com/anduong_91/status/1342484277951410183

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One step closer to my 3D printed starship 1/12 scale model! 😆

Next step - make a proper Thrust Punk to mount these engines

@SpaceX
@elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/27/2020 03:22 pm
😍

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1343229470111633411

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Everything’s Bigger in Texas.

#SpaceX #Moonship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 12/27/2020 08:24 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1343306175073415169/photo/1
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/29/2020 07:25 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1343648742688382978

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Superheavy Touchdown.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/29/2020 08:07 pm
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1344026367042727937

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If my PC could speak it would beg me to stop.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/30/2020 06:15 am
https://twitter.com/friesfx/status/1343935108542320640

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Lunar Landed

#space #SpaceXStarship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/30/2020 02:06 pm
https://twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1344263224766689280
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: maquinsa on 12/30/2020 02:29 pm
Don’t know if it counts as a render. I’ve finished my 3D printed SN8 model to scale with the lego Saturn V
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Docabilly on 12/30/2020 11:33 pm
Do the wings flap?  Did you attach the flaps or are they printed in place with a hinge?  Looks great
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Robotbeat on 12/31/2020 12:40 am
Don’t know if it counts as a render. I’ve finished my 3D printed SN8 model to scale with the lego Saturn V
Do you have the stl file? (STEP file?)

I wonder if that could be added to allowed file types.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: maquinsa on 12/31/2020 09:54 am
Do the wings flap?  Did you attach the flaps or are they printed in place with a hinge?  Looks great
Yes they do, they are printed separately and then they click into place

Don’t know if it counts as a render. I’ve finished my 3D printed SN8 model to scale with the lego Saturn V
Do you have the stl file? (STEP file?)

I wonder if that could be added to allowed file types.

Yes, I’ll try to post them here when I finish improving a few details.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mongo62 on 12/31/2020 12:36 pm
From the SpaceXvision twitter feed (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpaceXvision), a 13m Starship-derived station concept:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1344361933126979586/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1344361933126979586/photo/1)

https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1344364702181289989/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1344364702181289989/photo/1)

https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1344367973683834880/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1344367973683834880/photo/1)

Check out the Twitter feed, there are loads of high-quality Starship/Superheavy images and animations there!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 12/31/2020 01:30 pm
https://youtu.be/dNIjB1r59OI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Robotbeat on 12/31/2020 03:02 pm
Do the wings flap?  Did you attach the flaps or are they printed in place with a hinge?  Looks great
Yes they do, they are printed separately and then they click into place

Don’t know if it counts as a render. I’ve finished my 3D printed SN8 model to scale with the lego Saturn V
Do you have the stl file? (STEP file?)

I wonder if that could be added to allowed file types.

Yes, I’ll try to post them here when I finish improving a few details.
Very nice! Thank you!
Might need to use thingiverse or similar for hosting.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: daavery on 12/31/2020 05:47 pm
SS & SH 3D print.  Thingiverse 4633979 and 4674219. Rescaled in Z to 91.44%.  aero surfaces all move and the SS surfaces are print inplace. Almost all parts are printed as 5 ring stacks so should fit most printers
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: SDSmith on 12/31/2020 06:24 pm
SS & SH 3D print.  Thingiverse 4633979 and 4674219. Rescaled in Z to 91.44%.  aero surfaces all move and the SS surfaces are print inplace
Beautiful. I love the twist to lock on the stage.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Mongo62 on 01/01/2021 04:48 pm
Follow-on to my earlier SpaceXvision (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpaceXvision) post:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1345045443038871553/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1345045443038871553/photo/1)

https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1345010399419183105/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SpacexVision/status/1345010399419183105/photo/1)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/01/2021 08:00 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1345083707812687874

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Midnight Launch, 2023.

#SpaceX #Moonship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/01/2021 10:49 pm
https://twitter.com/tomdixondesign/status/1345114092890165254

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SpaceX Starship Cutaway. This was a great collaborative project with @austinbarnard45 .
You can find the design on:
https://teespring.com/stores/bocachicalegends-2
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 01/01/2021 10:55 pm
Fine-looking render!

I wonder where the downcomer from the lox header tank is?

A couple of small errors: "Raptors Engines" should be "Raptor Engines".
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/02/2021 11:58 am
https://youtu.be/PiQGWWZyxgA

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NOTE: Work on this animation started before SN9 rolled out the pad. I did not expect SN9 to be placed on Pad B as opposed to Pad A.

SN8 got SO close. In the next few weeks, SpaceX will attempt to stick the landing with the next Starship Prototype, SN9. The flight will likely be very similar to SN8's flight, though the exact altitude may be different.

If you like to help support future videos: https://www.patreon.com/C_Bass3d


Twitter: https://twitter.com/C_Bass3d
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/02/2021 12:37 pm
https://twitter.com/anduong_91/status/1345096734742093835

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New update on my SpaceX’s starship CAD Model [01/01/21]

If you want to follow me on this project on every step that I make, please bookmark this link to your web browser: https://morethan3d.com/starship-dev/ 😁👍

@SpaceX
@elonmusk
@Morethan3dLtd
#Starship
#3Dprinting
#SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/02/2021 02:47 pm
twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1345246188166123521

Jesus, Trans Rights, and a pretty low-value Starship render have nothing to do with Boca Chica Photos. 

Can we apply some discretion and not allow NSF to be an inadvertent pass-through entity where anyone can self-promote any topic by tweeting something SpaceX related.  I already think that C Nunez is far too self-promotional and in love with himself and wonder whether that should be sanctioned.  But at least the quality of his pictures makes up for that and his tone-deaf fascination with silly captioning.

My apologies, I muddled up my browser tabs and failed to spot I’d posted in the wrong thread :(   Now fixed by moving to this thread.

The artistic, or other merit, of any particular render is very much in the eye of the beholder. I’m very happy for people to feedback to me views on what is, or is not, worth including on this thread. I included this render as I don’t recall many that show the proportions of the full stack with clearly visible ring structure.

On the wider point of user names, tweet content etc that is off-topic for NSF - again views welcome. Personally I try & draw the distinction between off-topic and hateful/abusive etc. I appreciate different people may well draw the line in different places. If just off-topic but the ‘main’ content is relevant I’m ok with posting. In this case I consider the render on topic (for this thread) and I took the one word in the tweet as an expletive about the proportions of the full stack. YMMV
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: KSHavre on 01/02/2021 03:38 pm
twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1345246188166123521

Jesus, Trans Rights, and a pretty low-value Starship render have nothing to do with Boca Chica Photos. 

Can we apply some discretion and not allow NSF to be an inadvertent pass-through entity where anyone can self-promote any topic by tweeting something SpaceX related.  I already think that C Nunez is far too self-promotional and in love with himself and wonder whether that should be sanctioned.  But at least the quality of his pictures makes up for that and his tone-deaf fascination with silly captioning.

My apologies, I muddled up my browser tabs and failed to spot I’d posted in the wrong thread :(   Now fixed by moving to this thread.

The artistic, or other merit, of any particular render is very much in the eye of the beholder. I’m very happy for people to feedback to me views on what is, or is not, worth including on this thread. I included this render as I don’t recall many that show the proportions of the full stack with clearly visible ring structure.

On the wider point of user names, tweet content etc that is off-topic for NSF - again views welcome. Personally I try & draw the distinction between off-topic and hateful/abusive etc. I appreciate different people may well draw the line in different places. If just off-topic but the ‘main’ content is relevant I’m ok with posting. In this case I consider the render on topic (for this thread) and I took the one word in the tweet as an expletive about the proportions of the full stack. YMMV

Funny, that is exactly what I said when I saw the first full stack to scale render! And, this is my favorite of Dylans work, amazing engine compartment and tile work:

https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/1345222813054074880
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/04/2021 12:46 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1345906533343916033
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/04/2021 05:32 am
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1345925480952676353

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Boca Chica Interplanetary Spaceport 2024

This is my guess at what the launch/test pad will look like when #spaceX sends its first #starship to Mars.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/04/2021 11:38 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1346242933570351104

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The Old and the New.

#SpaceX #Moonship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/05/2021 08:43 pm
https://twitter.com/latestinspace/status/1346502024230273024

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Interior concept of the SpaceX Starship for 64 passengers, from Swedish space designer Erik Corshammar.

Deck 0: Cargo hold
Deck 1: Egress area & spacesuits
Deck 2/3: Crew bunks
Deck 4: Gym, shower, bathrooms
Deck 5: Mess hall
Deck 6: Control bridge
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/06/2021 01:44 pm
Great looking animation, until Elon changed things ...

https://youtu.be/Zw9d6gVp2-k
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/07/2021 11:07 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1347329474266685441

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Its a foggy night for a launch.

#SpaceX #Starship interplanetary spaceport. 

Ready for the 2024 #Mars launch window?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 01/08/2021 02:14 pm
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1346854760511631361?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/10/2021 08:42 am
https://youtu.be/8iwQERHgqco
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/10/2021 12:12 pm
https://twitter.com/anduong_91/status/1348240213118742529

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Raptors installed! 😍

For more information about this 1/48 3D printed Starship, visit  morethan3d.com/starship-dev/

@kimitalvitie: close enough to your animation? 😀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/11/2021 04:00 pm
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1348667003041705986

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The Single Launch Space Station can also be customized according to clients' wishes. One billionaire wanted that sporty feel for his observatory/zero-G sports hall.
Launched with #SpaceX custom launch services. (fiction...for now)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/12/2021 01:00 am
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1348811858606780419

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I've been working on a new version of my Starship model. The scale of the thing, especially the payload bay, is difficult to get into words. It's such a unique design.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/12/2021 08:05 pm
https://twitter.com/kimitalvitie/status/1349077782647730177
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/13/2021 02:09 am
https://youtu.be/Ki9houd4Z_8

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I wanted to give you awesome space fans a tease of what I have been working on.  This will be the whole history of SpaceX's Starship test program, from Hoppy to SN-9 including the development of the launch complex in Boca Chica, Texas.  I hope to have the final animation done in early 2021 so enjoy this teaser in the meantime. 

As always, thank you so much for your interest! 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/13/2021 07:09 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1349124566715609089
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 01/15/2021 11:37 am
https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1349798581276979201?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 01/17/2021 02:14 pm
High Bay & High Bar.  Still a Work in progress but finally got around to making the high bay for the Roci and Super Heavy. Little bit on the High Bar with balcony.

Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1350822172818857987?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/17/2021 06:39 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1350890348277608452
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Staticalliam7 on 01/20/2021 05:11 pm
My ok render by hand
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JaimeZX on 01/20/2021 09:54 pm
Really solid work there, Staticalliam7!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Staticalliam7 on 01/20/2021 09:56 pm
Really solid work there, Staticalliam7!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Staticalliam7 on 01/20/2021 10:14 pm
starship SH stack


not my best lol
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 01/21/2021 08:26 am
starship SH stack


not my best lol


Don't say that. I think it IS your best and for a 7-year-old you really have a lot of talent.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Staticalliam7 on 01/21/2021 03:47 pm
starship SH stack


not my best lol


Don't say that. I think it IS your best and for a 7-year-old you really have a lot of talent.
haha.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/21/2021 10:10 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1352391784698150923

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Lunar Starship to dock through Nosecone?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 01/22/2021 08:32 pm
I thought my fellow space nerds might appreciate this more than the general population.
I am reworking almost everything on my Starship model now that we have a better idea of what the flight prototypes actually look like. Here is a render of the current gen internal piping that I am still working on. Any feedback welcome. I have not yet added the Ox filling tube or the pipe from the Ox header tank (probably tonight).
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 01/22/2021 08:46 pm
I thought my fellow space nerds might appreciate this more than the general population.
I am reworking almost everything on my Starship model now that we have a better idea of what the flight prototypes actually look like. Here is a render of the current gen internal piping that I am still working on. Any feedback welcome. I have not yet added the Ox filling tube or the pipe from the Ox header tank (probably tonight).

Well, the good news is, that's a great render!

...the bad news is, they already changed it.  :o

This post (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=52398.msg2180762#msg2180762) has images of the current puck design, showing how the methane distribution manifold runs through the center of the cone now.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 01/22/2021 08:49 pm
I am aware  ;D

That's why I said current generation. I have not seen any images of what the other piping looks like given the new downcomer that goes through the puck or how the methane downcomer splits on the outside of the puck.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 01/22/2021 09:54 pm
I am aware  ;D

That's why I said current generation. I have not seen any images of what the other piping looks like given the new downcomer that goes through the puck or how the methane downcomer splits on the outside of the puck.

A reasonable guess is a triangle; I don't think any other arrangement fits in the available volume, given the width of the flanges on the fuel lines.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/22/2021 11:01 pm
 8)

https://youtu.be/AhpvTJQBkrg
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: waveney on 01/23/2021 09:35 am
My six year old Granddaughter has just made me a model SN9 starship.

It is hollow and if as it lifts of you gently squeeze the two sides together, it produces a stream of exhaust (torn up bits of red paper)

Enjoy!

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: maquinsa on 01/23/2021 11:47 am
My six year old Granddaughter has just made me a model SN9 starship.

It is hollow and if as it lifts of you gently squeeze the two sides together, it produces a stream of exhaust (torn up bits of red paper)

Enjoy!
Fantastic model. She’ll probably be a great engineer
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/23/2021 02:10 pm
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1352996635601735681

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New Video! This video is a remake of a video I made a while ago, but this one shows more detail and does a better job of showing the fuel movement during an actual flight.

Full Video Link:

https://youtu.be/KycyWcxWTcY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/23/2021 06:39 pm
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1353064593606668289

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Used Starship. I have to imagine the skin will get some heat discoloration during reentry and just like the sooty Falcon 9s, you'll be able to spot a used Starship just by looking at it.

Really gives it unique, almost rustic look.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/23/2021 07:16 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1353073529852334080
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Alex69 on 01/24/2021 05:26 pm
Sn9 render made by @maathislm on Twitter !

https://twitter.com/maathislm/status/1353399971576471552?s=19
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/28/2021 03:43 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1354574023712272385

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1354574227718991874
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/28/2021 07:41 am
https://twitter.com/mattr5226/status/1354443553997377540
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/29/2021 03:26 pm
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1355189652819501060

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A white-painted Starship. @elonmusk could this help with reflecting some of that sun? So the inside stays cooler?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/30/2021 07:45 pm
https://youtu.be/EHASCqyBw9E
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: punder on 01/30/2021 07:58 pm
I love this stuff.

That said... it must be really hard to model frost on cryogenic boosters. I don’t recall ever seeing it in one of the animations. Of course maybe I haven’t seen them all.  :)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rpapo on 01/30/2021 11:18 pm
https://youtu.be/EHASCqyBw9E
Elon Musk responded to this video on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1355627125802299393
"T/W will be ~1.5, so it will accelerate unusually fast. High T/W is important for reusable vehicles to make more efficient use of propellant, the primary cost. For expendable rockets, throwing away stages is the primary cost, so optimization is low T/W."

My only question about the above is simply this: How will they accelerate unusually fast in the first part of the flight without making MaxQ much worse than usual?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AC in NC on 01/30/2021 11:31 pm
My only question about the above is simply this: How will they accelerate unusually fast in the first part of the flight without making MaxQ much worse than usual?
Throttle Down?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rpapo on 01/30/2021 11:41 pm
My only question about the above is simply this: How will they accelerate unusually fast in the first part of the flight without making MaxQ much worse than usual?
Throttle Down?
You would have to throttle down a lot, and that would negate much of the benefit of the jackrabbit start.  And even if you do throttle down, the rocket will hit MaxQ at a lower altitude than usual, making the dynamic pressure higher.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: AC in NC on 01/30/2021 11:59 pm
My only question about the above is simply this: How will they accelerate unusually fast in the first part of the flight without making MaxQ much worse than usual?
Throttle Down?
You would have to throttle down a lot, and that would negate much of the benefit of the jackrabbit start.  And even if you do throttle down, the rocket will hit MaxQ at a lower altitude than usual, making the dynamic pressure higher.
IANARS, but ISTM that maximum usable T/W minimizes gravity losses regardless of how much you have to throttle down.  The existing F9 maxQ throttle down is a minor portion of the overall ascent and so it only matters if the higher T/W is not usable due to exceeding G-loads.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/31/2021 12:54 pm
A fab old-school render ...

https://twitter.com/spacebrandonb/status/1355712154930982913

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SN9 drawing complete. I used an awesome picture taken by @austinbarnard45 to do this one and I think this came out as one of, if not my most realistic drawing. I think from now on I’m going to draw every completed Starship. Let me know what you think! @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: edzieba on 02/01/2021 03:26 pm
My only question about the above is simply this: How will they accelerate unusually fast in the first part of the flight without making MaxQ much worse than usual?
Tolerate a higher Q. At the extreme, if your vehicle's ability to withstand aerodynamic pressure is sufficiently high you do not need to throttle down at all.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/02/2021 07:58 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1356210140312027142

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ILLUSTRATION OF SN9 & SN10: a little tease of what we all are waiting to see in the next few days... probably won’t be at sunset though (artist’s interpretation) but it will still be a spectacular display, we are guaranteed of that.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/03/2021 07:37 am
https://twitter.com/bojay_stellar/status/1356658509186801665

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Starship SN20 concept, Work in progress! Will SN20 be orbital? what do you think? @elonmusk @Erdayastronaut
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 02/03/2021 11:35 pm
Personally I don't believe that ANY Starship launch without the SH booster will be orbital because it will not have the propellant reserves to return to the ground. It would be abandoned in orbit and that is not SpaceX's style.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: HeavyOrbitalIndustriesLtd on 02/04/2021 12:09 am
You're correct but I highly doubt the artist meant to suggest that SN20 would go orbital on its own.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: rakaydos on 02/04/2021 12:23 am
You're correct but I highly doubt the artist meant to suggest that SN20 would go orbital on its own.
I suspect SN15 to be "orbital class" on top of BN1, even if they havnt stuck the landing after SN11. They don't need to land successfully to put Starlinks into orbit.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 02/04/2021 06:29 pm
I do not believe that SpaceX will launch a Starship into orbit, of any serial number, until it has perfected the vehicle's ability to land.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Slarty1080 on 02/04/2021 10:05 pm
Folks this is the render thread
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/06/2021 03:05 pm
https://twitter.com/kendall_dirks/status/1358067989283749891

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Launch Day -

My first Starship render!
#SpaceX #Starship #render
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/07/2021 11:21 am
https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1358380564118712322

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SpaceX Starship dual launch site concept. I went for a more rough industrial look for the tower with enough space for them space peeps to get ingressed by ninjas.
@elonmusk do you think a more industrial look for the tower is more likely?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/09/2021 07:30 am
https://twitter.com/harry_wixon/status/1359046039265705984

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Starship Tanker landing on Drone Ship v2.0

twitter.com/_anshuumaan_/status/1359050137360732162

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That looks like an offshore platform not a droneship

https://twitter.com/harry_wixon/status/1359051019661889536

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I called it Drone Ship v2.0 because it could potentially be a Starship version of Falcon 9 landing pad but yes it’s a modified oil rig/ offshore platform.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Thors on 02/11/2021 01:09 pm
Bon Voyage.

https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1359864968401858565?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/13/2021 08:52 pm
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1360615001896198146

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#SpaceX #Starship Superheavy OLM (Orbital Launch Mount) all-round inspection of the new steel structure.
The longer I look at it, the more likely it seems to me that they belong together.
But I can also be 100% wrong!
@SpaceX @elonmusk can you confirm that it belongs together
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Hysot on 02/13/2021 11:36 pm
Admin, If 3d printing render are not allowed, feel free to delete this post :)

I've been working on a 1/50 scale 3d printed SN8. As detailed as it can be and stackable following the real sections pattern :). I had made a version 1 as a prototype with only few details. Now printing the v2.
On the first picture you can see the v1.0 with the first 2 section of the v2.0.
The second picture shows you the inside plumbing of the v2.0 as it should be on SN8 up to SN12
Finally the fully stacked tank section of SN8 v2.0

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/14/2021 09:04 am
https://youtu.be/rzNJiVEAWQU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/16/2021 06:08 pm
https://youtu.be/Ne4lk8lxEHc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/17/2021 11:00 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1362187393768562689
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/22/2021 06:53 pm
Starhopper & Starship relative to other rockets

https://youtu.be/_qH2hI9GwFQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/23/2021 12:10 pm
Great rig render, although looking a little crowded! (As usual you need to click through to twitter to get the full height  >:( )

Elon being optimistic as ever ...

twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1364181225095786497

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Any further details on the Rigs?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1364181510295744514

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I hope we don’t go bankrupt building them!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ludus on 02/23/2021 04:55 pm
Great rig render, although looking a little crowded!

I don’t think the original drilling rig tower, the shorter one that comes to a point, has any utility for SpaceX. They also need larger more robust landing pads than the original helipad. As Elon’s comment suggests, they will have to spend a lot more to refit the platforms than they paid for them and this is all new expense unrelated to Starship itself or other SpaceX operations.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/23/2021 08:44 pm
https://twitter.com/spxadrian/status/1364329810118369283
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/23/2021 09:39 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1364338958017167363
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/25/2021 06:21 pm
https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1365012665765134337

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Another progress teaser of my #SpaceX #Raptor engine model this time with some friends mounted underneath #Starship #SN10. Still lots of work left on both the engine and the engine bay of Starship but the overall shape is now coming together.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: lamontagne on 02/26/2021 12:32 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1364338958017167363
What is the left hand tower for?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: russianhalo117 on 02/26/2021 01:55 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1364338958017167363
What is the left hand tower for?
The left hand tower is the original drilling tower and is not shown removed.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Izan Ramos on 02/26/2021 11:09 am
Hi guys! I just found this thread and it's amazing, awesome work of the community!!
I hope you like my model of the raptor engine, I'm making as much detail as possible. This takes a lot of effort. I'll make it available when finished so it can be used for animations or 3d printing...
I will definitely need help to properly name all the parts of the raptor

https://twitter.com/IzanRamos2002/status/1365021182064553988
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/26/2021 02:54 pm
It seems everyone is working on Raptor ...

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1365317363730636802

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Hi Space Twitter! I've been working on this @SpaceX Raptor Engine model for 4 months and it is FINALLY ready to be released into the wild! Let me know what you think and RT if you like it!
High quality renders available on my @ArtStationHQ page
@elonmusk #SpaceX #Raptor #3dart

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1365317376632324106

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1365317388053397509

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1365317403236777993
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/27/2021 10:19 pm
 :o

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1365779301325496332

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You requested this - you are welcome! 😉
Let's fire this Raptor up!

@3drenderbot #SpaceX #Raptor #3dart #3dmax
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 02/28/2021 07:55 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1366121086824423430

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Played around with some Fire-simulations today, loved @Erdayastronaut ’s Abort System thumbnail so thought I would give it a go!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/01/2021 01:38 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1366384037552480263

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This is an illustrated depiction of SN10. Thought I’d share this artwork with you as we eagerly awaiting the flight and more importantly, a successful landing of a @SpaceX Starship in the coming days.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/01/2021 04:44 pm
Bit of a wayward plane ...

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1366367919240790021
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/01/2021 05:53 pm
https://youtu.be/--cK3okXo9k
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/02/2021 07:35 pm
Not just cybertruck ...

twitter.com/pslavi/status/1366658005333237761

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Rendered out this short animation. Hopefully 1 day mankind will visit. I believe #SpaceX will do it! 6x6 Cybertruck is waiting👀.... @elonmusk

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1366847507725127681

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Cool
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/03/2021 01:27 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1366846124548628481

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Progress update: realtime version of the Raptor and exhaust flames.
I know Raptor's nozzles don't glow in real life, but I just like the way it looks. It's just for a test.
(! too loud)
#SpaceX #Raptor #3dart #unity3d
@madewithunity

https://youtu.be/tZf3H-VgqMI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/03/2021 06:49 pm
Neopork absolutely killing it!

https://twitter.com/neopork85/status/1367111046557745155

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It's happening!!!! 🐷 I am... LAUNCHING... my new @SpaceX  Starship SN10 model on the same day that SN10 hopefully flies. This is what we are hoping to see folks, a SAFE landing. Retweet if you like it!!
2 months of work right here.
@elonmusk #SubstancePainter @Gwynne_Shotwell

https://twitter.com/neopork85/status/1367131641366392834

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Neopork 🐷🐷🐷bringing you the 8k Starship shots that would be impossible to get! Here is my new SN10 model doing the belly FLOP before landing successfully 🤞🤞🤞
Retweet if you like it!  @elonmusk @Gwynne_Shotwell @Substance3D

https://twitter.com/neopork85/status/1367165724788224006

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Come on @SpaceX !!!! Good luck with the SN10 flight attempt! Here is a new desktop-sized belly flop render to celebrate! 🐷🐷🐷🐷🚀🚀🔥
Retweet if you like it! @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/04/2021 01:43 am
It’s getting harder and harder to distinguish reality from animation

https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1367300783188946946

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Well, that looked a little familiar... #SN10
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 03/04/2021 01:47 pm
Hi NSF! Here is a desktop background I made yesterday with my new Starship model. It was based heavily off of Starship SN10.

These are 8k. Zoom and enjoy.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: jpo234 on 03/05/2021 12:03 pm
SN20:

https://youtu.be/s5ulyRa2mGU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/06/2021 10:33 am
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1367891415712235523

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With all the talk about #Starshipsn10 landing legs I wanted to show an idea I had for a more finalized version for future flights. 

However after the #dearmoon renderings we may see something completely different!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/06/2021 03:43 pm
https://youtu.be/kmh2xqFXM80
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/06/2021 09:22 pm
https://twitter.com/pslavi/status/1368318059044167680

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My Starship model flapping👀 I rendered out this control surfaces animation.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: b.lorenz on 03/07/2021 07:36 am
https://youtu.be/kmh2xqFXM80

Its very dramatic and cool.

But everybody died since they missed Mars by some hundred kicks and could not aerobrake and land?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/08/2021 12:04 pm
https://twitter.com/pslavi/status/1368872570238468099

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Still image render of my Starship Model. Still reworking. #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/09/2021 06:58 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1369051985023033344
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/10/2021 01:02 pm
https://twitter.com/kendall_dirks/status/1369649252553678856

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Touchdown! - Crewed Starship lands on Mars delivering members of the first mars colony.

#Spacex #Starship #render
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/10/2021 08:18 pm
Seeing the plans, of what SpaceX is building right now, rendered in 3D really brings home just how astounding it all is.

https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1369668482611240973

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A small update to the current state of work.
Test render from the #SpaceX  #Starship Launch Site in Boca Chica.
@elonmusk @MarcusHouse @FelixSchlang @SpaceX

https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1369697807779643392
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/10/2021 11:11 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1369791827071664137

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The new large upper windows as seen in recent DearMoon renders, located on the Activity Deck. Question is if they still plan on using Transparent Metal?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nascent Ascent on 03/10/2021 11:19 pm
https://twitter.com/kendall_dirks/status/1369649252553678856

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Touchdown! - Crewed Starship lands on Mars delivering members of the first mars colony.

#Spacex #Starship #render

Nice.  They better deploy those legs soon!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/11/2021 06:15 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1369412448181252099

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Coming to reality in 2021.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/11/2021 11:00 pm
https://youtu.be/FCUPWrv1rdk

https://youtu.be/hbzlndFnmlw

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/11/2021 11:09 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1370163554188398600

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Passenger Boarding of Flight Worn Starship.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/12/2021 12:25 pm
OMG

https://twitter.com/dstarship3/status/1370364085406203904

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Some new shots of #Starship SN8 in the belly flop position
#SpaceX
#3Dprinting
@Erdayastronaut
@elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/12/2021 04:06 pm
https://youtu.be/T9EFqPcoTwU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/13/2021 07:14 am
1/48 scale, 109 cm tall and 4 kg

https://youtu.be/Y5QtPJjP7fY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/13/2021 02:01 pm
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1370751513350434819

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Things are now in motion that cannot be undone. @Neopork85 @C_Bass3d @AlexSvanArt
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/13/2021 06:48 pm
https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1370812052625842176

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Continued progress on my #SpaceX #Raptor model. Still working on fine details but I got a bulk of the texturing done. With the new engine design out in the wild, I may hold off adding fine details to this design and instead included them in a remodel of the new engine design.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/15/2021 01:59 am
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1371251697637543951

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Landed on a distant frozen world.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/15/2021 08:49 am
Given the standard of renders these days, I’m beginning to wonder if we all live in a simulation after all!

https://twitter.com/pslavi/status/1371391132836405250

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It would be awesome to one day see the Starship flying by the ISS filmed from the inside 👀 Here's an animation I created for some visual.. I believe #spacex will achieve great things! @elonmusk

Edit to add: now reposted as

https://twitter.com/pslavi/status/1371915501157249024

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After several messages asking me if I could tweet my animation again I decided to put it back on. #Starship buzzing the ISS... WARNING: might trigger some sensitive people on it's distance and speed lol! #spacex @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/19/2021 06:35 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1372582952333238278

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If a static fire test is completed and successful in the next 24 hours or so, we may see a launch on Saturday of SN11. Here is some desktop wallpaper art of what we may see in the coming days.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 03/19/2021 02:09 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1372582952333238278 (https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1372582952333238278)

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If a static fire test is completed and successful in the next 24 hours or so, we may see a launch on Saturday of SN11. Here is some desktop wallpaper art of what we may see in the coming days.


I really like that Golden Era style you use on some of these.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/19/2021 06:18 pm
https://twitter.com/spacexvision/status/1372939067130793986

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Starship Cargo, delivering the last cargo module to the OCT (Orbital Cargo Transporter) after which it will leave for a 9 months journey to Mars. In Mars orbit. Starships will ferry the modules to the surface.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/20/2021 11:15 am
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1373202870745636865

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Saturday update! 3D #SpaceX Launch Site & Starbase City

Main Players 2

The Super Heavy Booster of the Starship is the largest of its kind.
For controlling, grid fins are needed.

Form: Artistic Representation
Functionality: My thought
Size: about 95% correct

@elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/20/2021 12:41 pm
https://twitter.com/c_bass3d/status/1373259965255782408

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Please enjoy these concept/test renders for the upcoming collaboration with @Neopork85 and @AlexSvanArt (check out those beautiful Raptors!). Tune into @MarcusHouse's latest video for a bit more information on this project. I cannot wait for you all to see what we're working on!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/21/2021 06:19 am
https://twitter.com/bojay_stellar/status/1373446095800569858

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Exploring the true scale of starship in VR...
most textures didnt transfer right, but the effect still holds. @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/21/2021 07:11 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1373338686281162753

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Reality is inching closer to Mad Max by the minute.

#SpaceX #Starship

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1373338990322061315

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Huge props to the smallstars team for getting the Raptors to look this good!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/21/2021 08:28 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1373746829628690432

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Starship Passenger Gallery.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/24/2021 06:43 am
https://twitter.com/pslavi/status/1374558959470739457

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I created this short animation visual of the #starship docked with the ISS. Probably never happen but here it is before heading off to Mars..👀🚀 enjoy.. #spacex @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/24/2021 03:50 pm
https://twitter.com/izanramos2002/status/1374756931894706177

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Update on my Raptor Engine 3D model. All main objects are finished, I hope I have them right, it's really hard figuring all that stuff. Now starts the real pain. Chapter 2, Pipes. @elonmusk #SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/26/2021 12:54 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1375445464166764548

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Free poster art of SN11. Very high resolution versions (300dpi) of this & much more are available to download from my Patreon page. Please consider supporting me by becoming a patron so I can continue to provide you with more illustrations into the future. patreon.com/TONYBELA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/26/2021 05:48 pm
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1375374180787613697

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#Spacex Boca Chica Launch Site.
The new GSE tanks have now arrived on my 3D tank farm.
About 30 meters high without foundation.
The connections of the tanks I will do when I know more precisely.

@elonmusk @SpaceX @MarcusHouse @FelixSchlang
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/28/2021 06:37 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1376235130956738570

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Nosecone Sleeving of Starship Interior.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: fael097 on 03/29/2021 03:48 am
Where's mah booster?  ;)

https://twitter.com/fael097/status/1370051899601342471
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 03/29/2021 02:10 pm
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1376530732101828609?s=20

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nascent Ascent on 03/29/2021 03:32 pm
Does anyone think that the final production version of SS will look cosmetically different than these prototypes?

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/29/2021 06:49 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1376601414026297347
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 03/30/2021 06:53 pm
I've been wanting to try a more infographic style render and this is my first attempt. Let me know if you like it and what'd you like to see on future images like this! I have a full interior on my Starship too, so I will probably do a naked one at some point to show internals. Full res image is 5940x7920 and is available for all my Patrons just FYI!

-Neo.
https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1376959691868282881?s=20

@neopork85
patreon.com/neopork
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 03/31/2021 04:56 pm
https://youtu.be/KNAlklMAWZk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ice on 04/01/2021 05:00 pm
SpaceX Starship interior concept for 100 passengers by Joseph Lantz (https://www.humanmars.net/2021/04/spacex-starship-interior-concept-for.html)

There are layouts for every deck.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/01/2021 07:57 pm
https://youtu.be/zWAn8E2XjlY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/02/2021 09:11 am
https://twitter.com/bojay_stellar/status/1377730626716110854

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Starship SN11 without the fog.
edited photo from a reconstruction animation I'm doing.
@elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/02/2021 09:20 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1377678747348971525

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Animation of SN11 Explosion behind the Fog! This was made to showcase Starships orientation and when/where the explosion originated, all with a clear sky!🌤

The debris field is not accurately represented.

#SpaceX #Starship @elonmusk @smvllstvrs

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1377678749638987777

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Special thanks to @NASASpaceflight for allowing me to use their audio, and @DJSnM for help in figuring out what might have caused the explosion and how it might have looked.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/02/2021 04:05 pm
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1377557344381513733

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#SpaceX Boca Chica construction site!
It gets crazier and crazier.
Mysterious parts were mounted on the nose cone. 🤔
I did not expect this. Although the lightweight construction of the curved elements was a hint that it is an assembly of the Starship.
@elonmusk @MarcusHouse
👇
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/02/2021 07:46 pm
https://twitter.com/markomakuch3d/status/1378013855390044162

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Reworked my old #starship sea launch platform.

#SpaceX #Blender3d #dearMoonCrew
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2021 06:41 am
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1378233522834522117

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Wow, here I am in mine!
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/05/2021 01:52 pm
https://youtu.be/MatnEjNFXgc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/05/2021 06:36 pm
https://youtu.be/A4pQZgRDWM4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Izan Ramos on 04/06/2021 08:55 am
https://twitter.com/IzanRamos2002/status/1379137103582392326
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/07/2021 07:31 pm
twitter.com/julius_burton/status/1345436609848684550

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Catching super heavy, the perfect solution!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1379876763807850496

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Nice
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/07/2021 11:33 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1379913656247406599

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I for some reason thought of a giant zip-line when @elonmusk mentioned catching Starship without a landing burn. So here it is, ZippyMcCatchFace🤪🚀:
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Post by: _MECO on 04/08/2021 09:11 pm
While unceremoniously waiting to see if my second Pfizer dose is going to have a reaction I just made this mobile wallpaper using crusty online tools. Credit to fael097 for the line graphic and of course Bocachicagal for the background!
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/13/2021 07:32 am
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1381871309752242177

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#SpaceX Boca Chica Starbase!
Another big challenge for @SpaceX is the limited completion of Deimos the floating spaceport by the end of the year.
Key data
Pontoons 56' x 24' x 310'
Moon Pool 30' x 120'
Columns 50' x 45'
Keel to Main Deck 97' 0"
Main Deck 240' W x 255' L
@elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/13/2021 05:59 pm
https://twitter.com/izanramos2002/status/1381987938444185603

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Spaghetti!!!! I had to make those pipes that stick out of it. I love the pipe mess of the Raptor #SpaceX #starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/14/2021 07:27 am
https://twitter.com/anduong_91/status/1382186405670043648

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Finally managed to get some time to design a Launch Pad to my Starship-S1 model (M1 will be next) 😅

STLs of this Launch Pad will be free to download via https://morethan3d.com/starship-s1/ soon!
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/14/2021 07:39 am
https://youtu.be/30PiSlePOYU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/14/2021 11:42 am
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1382283035270320135

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#SpaceX Boca Chica Launch Site!🚀

The Olm!
Is the launch table really going to be placed on the pillars?🤔
And are they going to use a whole new clamp system here.🤔
In my animation, I used the Classic Falcon 9 clamps this time.
ideas?
more tomorrow!🔧
@elonmusk @SpaceX
👇👇👇
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/14/2021 07:04 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1382096113860239365
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/15/2021 07:40 am
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1382584359606181895

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#SpaceX Boca Chica Launch Site!

a small update of the 3D launch site.
Added the new launch towers and updated launch table with a second version of the clamps.

7 tanks are on my OLP fuel farm and I am curious what will be built instead of the 8th tank.🤔
@elonmusk @SpaceX
👇👇
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/16/2021 05:56 pm
https://youtu.be/Nk7BjoDtCpM
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/17/2021 12:11 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1383245097068765191

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LUNAR STARSHIP 2024
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/17/2021 01:06 pm
https://youtu.be/Fo7sqZRi0J4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 04/17/2021 11:59 pm
I photoshopped the Apollo 11 Lunar module into the Moon Starship image.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 04/18/2021 01:55 am
A shot worthy of For All Mankind.   ;D
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/18/2021 08:37 am
https://youtu.be/MotP-cc6GzA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/18/2021 09:45 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1383717299266355200

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Humans landing on the Moon for the first time since 1972
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JaimeZX on 04/19/2021 09:03 pm
Why is there sound?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: _MECO on 04/19/2021 09:06 pm
Why is there sound?
What's the matter, afraid of a little artistic license?
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Post by: Okie_Steve on 04/19/2021 09:11 pm
Ask Gene Roddenberry, it's all his fault  ::)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/19/2021 09:13 pm
Starship Orbital Launch render by.. me.  :P

https://twitter.com/Neopork85/status/1384205512300908549?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/21/2021 12:40 pm
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1384848160711979009

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#SpaceX Boca Chica Launch Site!🚀

The first pillar is on the concrete base of the launch tower.👏
The different drillings in the gusset plates tell us how to proceed for the time being.
I will keep watching and show it in actual 3d renders here.

@elonmusk @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/22/2021 06:14 pm
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1385218317351374849

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#SpaceX Boca Chica Launch Site!🚀

1⃣A massive plate was mounted on a column of the launch table using 16 strong threaded rods.

2⃣The narrow segments on the launch table were closed on the outside. in the upper third of each segment there is an eyelet.

@elonmusk @SpaceX
👇👇👇
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 04/22/2021 08:10 pm
Why is there sound?

Because he placed the microphone inside the Ship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/23/2021 04:42 pm
https://youtu.be/UCvyCUPLfp4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/24/2021 08:31 am
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1385587429671845888

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#SpaceX Boca Chica Launch Site!

A short view inside the launch tower.
Massive steel beams were mounted halfway up the concrete base. Preparation for a central core?🤔

in the overlay picture we see a newly delivered part that fits to the columns of the launch table.
@elonmusk 👇

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1386272025719812096
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/24/2021 01:41 pm
https://twitter.com/bl3d_eccentric/status/1385947342935842817

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My 3d Boca Chica launch site!

#SpaceX conceptual site layout(as of 11.24.20) serves me as a template to create real environment parameters.
I create all 3d models in the dimensions of their originals.
There is still a lot to do but it is in progress.🔧
Opinions?
@elonmusk
👇👇
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/24/2021 09:42 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1386059531839361030

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To the moon.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/25/2021 11:40 am
https://youtu.be/yh_kzfg7brY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/26/2021 02:28 pm
https://youtu.be/Hn3O-tqtjNc
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/26/2021 07:59 pm
https://twitter.com/izanramos2002/status/1386728895257448458

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Time to post this one! I've been making some of the smallest pipes, also playing with color luts. This is the first time I render 2 full subdivided Raptors at once. #SpaceX #Starship

8K res version at: https://imgur.com/a/C9c9QZX?nc=1
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/27/2021 06:51 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1386799319282499586

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SpaceX Lunar Launch, 2024.

#SpaceX #Starship

Plume by the talented @EritoKaio .
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/28/2021 02:29 pm
https://youtu.be/MPXgugehu8Y
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/28/2021 02:40 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1387402984292687875
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Neopork on 04/28/2021 08:21 pm
My new favorite render that I have done. Enjoy!

I posted it on twitter today but had a couple errors. Whoops. I am happy with this one.
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Post by: Ice on 04/29/2021 06:04 pm
Starship interior concept for 20 to 40 passengers by British interior architect / designer Paul King
https://www.humanmars.net/2021/04/spacex-starship-interior-concept-for-20.html
(there are design layouts for all the levels in the link)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/30/2021 12:50 pm
https://youtu.be/72srD74euaA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/01/2021 10:42 am
https://twitter.com/sketchfab/status/1388433078541029376

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New staff pick: South Texas Launch Site with SN15 by @Spaceport3D. Check it out in #3D, #AR or #VR: bit.ly/3vnEkAQ

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/south-texas-launch-site-with-sn15-33cd23b2245b422e926b37d2172e3e4e
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/01/2021 02:02 pm
https://youtu.be/KyJvvOrRZc4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/02/2021 01:03 pm
https://youtu.be/4Pyun5eAGVI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: CrazyHorse80 on 05/02/2021 03:16 pm
https://youtu.be/4Pyun5eAGVI

Nice animation but I think it is missing one section... Isn't it supposed to be 469ft high and each section close to 50ft?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/02/2021 08:28 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1388948298040496130

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Starbase, TX.

Powered by @Spaceport3D!

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1388950995179290626

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This is a testament to @Spaceport3D ’s great work, all I’ve done so far is import the model - add tower and lighting - render.🙌 Go support their work on Patreon!
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/04/2021 02:49 pm
Not sure this animation of the flip manoeuvre is entirely accurate ...

https://youtu.be/EKJcs6SZIHQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: steveleach on 05/04/2021 05:03 pm
Not sure this animation of the flip manoeuvre is entirely accurate ...

Not a bad concept for the landing legs though.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 05/04/2021 05:29 pm
Chesley Bonestell wasn't too far off the mark... (Illustration from a nice book on my shelf, Willy Ley: "Conquête de l'Espace", 1952)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/05/2021 03:09 pm
https://twitter.com/bojay_stellar/status/1389877222819962881

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SN20. Giant towers of steel moving around in microgravity....
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/06/2021 09:58 am
https://youtu.be/etm5BgSsZbE

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My take on the SpaceX Super Heavy Booster landing catch mechanism and the converted oil rig for launching. Hereby some Explanation.

I changed the design of the grid fins to be more stronger with a central axis and modular grid panels for easier maintenance and possible lighter materials. This design avoids the grid panels having any contact with the ring during landing.

I added fins to the bottom of the booster that can fold. I do not think they are necessary, but some commenters on my previous video insisted they are.

The red lights are for the camera's and sensors to pinpoint the booster trajectory more precise.

The rings are electric and have redundant motors.

I know Elon Musk has a plan to fly the Starships to the platform, but I think it is an unnecessary risk and payload integration is easier on land. The reason the full stack launches from the platform is because of noise and shockwaves. The Starship landings are relatively not so noisy when landing and can be done in Florida or Texas. There they can be checked and stocked and send to the rig.

Fueling has to be done from a separate tanker ship that can be connected with a long umbilical to a buoy. Not sure about that yet. Maybe I will make a launch video with the whole process. Let me know in the comments if you like to see that.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/07/2021 06:51 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1390414602329116680

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Orbital 2021, here we come!

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/07/2021 10:18 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1390355372439867393

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Update v2: What a fantastic outcome, 30 hours of no sleep but worth it. Not really sure how Marcus, Tim, Felix & all the other YouTubers do this daily. Correct Raptors now firing on my artwork, will update my main infographic soon, thanks to my fellow Twitterers for the heads up.
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/08/2021 12:00 pm
twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1390846393590468613

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Hey guys!
A little gift from me to our amazing SpaceX Community: my Raptor 46 model is available for free.
I've made a lot of changes, fixed some issues and it's finally finished. 
Please read this thread for some info.
#RAPTOR #SpaceX
#3dmodeling

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1390846399974084611

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The model is available in MAX and FBX formats.
Parts are separated by type - pipes, wires, etc.
It's not textured, yet absolutely all parts are unwrapped - feel free to pick any software and renderer.
Parts are named by type for easy navigation in layers.

twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1390846403153440770

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Well, as I said - it is 100% free for use. Just don't forget to mention me😉 (it's up to you of course). If you want to thank me - you can send some #doge my way 😄💪  (please read the Licence file).
I never asked to share my tweets but this time please do.
Thank you all!

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1390846404898304003

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Download link:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1o6fPiY4ouqlu9V-YgpQgg1lmFpzftHq2

If you run into a download limit, just "Save to my drive" a copy and it's gonna be ok.
Have fun!

twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1390851150484738056

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Forgot to say: all meshes are in "low poly" state, therefore you can apply SubDivs the way you like.
There is no need to subdivide the pipes or safety wiring, they are quite smooth already.

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1390856289413107714

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OBJs are available too. Please re-download the archive.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/08/2021 01:45 pm
https://youtu.be/THNfqrkFV6g
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/09/2021 09:28 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1391183688105398275

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I wonder if the plan to hop-test Super Heavy is scrapped?

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/09/2021 10:39 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1391520140777381891

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Super Heavy’s Mothers Day Hug.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/10/2021 03:19 pm
https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1391774247681417217

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After a successful flight and landing, #Starship #SN15 gets a pat on the back from #Starhopper for a job well done. SN15 is the first Starship prototype to successfully complete the flip and burn maneuver resulting in a soft touchdown on the landing pad.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/11/2021 09:08 am
Great explanation of launch tower construction

https://youtu.be/wM__mW6quC8

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After two almost complete segments are waiting to be brought to the launch tower, work also continues on the construction site of the launch tower itself. NEW are the steel grids walkways mounted inside the base structure.
I have divided the launch tower into individual assemblies and made them distinguishable by color.
You can see that, for example, the inner structure (center) is missing a structure that will most likely be used for elevators and the like. In the steel framework you can see the yellow qudratic steel beams.

Whether SpaceX and Elon Musk have already integrated the catch structure for the Super Heavy Booster at the end of the completion of the launch tower remains open.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/11/2021 09:06 pm
https://twitter.com/markomakuch3d/status/1392203848970813445

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Trying out something!
Thanks @3DDaniel1 for providing me with the smoke!

#spaceX #Starship #WIP

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/markomakuch3d/status/1392404694040027137

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Fully stacked #Starship performing a cryo proof test.

#spaceX #ElonMusk  #Blender3d
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/13/2021 07:00 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1392732211472855041

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Starship HLS desktop wallpaper patreon.com/posts/starship…

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1392815355546849281

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A look at what SpaceX have planned. These are based on the most recent concepts and current iterations for Starship and Moonship (not my ideas, just my interpretations). This is all part of a bigger infographic I’m working on. Next up, Earth Moon rendezvous.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/15/2021 11:51 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1393715403726147586
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/16/2021 12:16 pm
https://youtu.be/FfjgkTUjMdo
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/19/2021 03:19 pm
twitter.com/bojay_stellar/status/1395031385363070985

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This will look intimidating.... Can't wait for the first uncrewed docking to the ISS!

https://twitter.com/bojay_stellar/status/1395034559469789187

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Didn't want to spend hours making an ISS in Blender, so this was made in Minecraft, with photoshop edits. Looks a bit weird up close but pretty decent from afar.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Izan Ramos on 05/19/2021 03:54 pm
https://twitter.com/IzanRamos2002/status/1395018097308880902?s=20
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/20/2021 07:52 pm
https://youtu.be/KhDAK03vVUg

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Streamed live 2 hours ago
Let's figure this octopus-looking thing out! Thanks to Mary/BocaChicaGal from NasaSpaceFlight for the awesome photograph that makes it possible for us to model this Superheavy Downcomer Structure today!
Support me on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/stanleycreative
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/20/2021 08:24 pm
Starship billionaire edition

https://twitter.com/13ericralph31/status/1395463117736267779

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someone asked me to do it
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/21/2021 12:13 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1395695824722702340

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Let's look at *just* the spider structure for Superheavy we saw at the build-site, and how it will connect to the center 8 Raptor engines.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/21/2021 02:24 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1395744378023342080

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There is a slight ripple, but I definitely added subtle ripples on the water, you can see it better in this image.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/21/2021 09:27 pm
Some great Lunar Starship renders and animations in:

https://youtu.be/XeIfsqXENoo

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Premiered 54 minutes ago
NASA's next moon lander is a lot different than everyone (even NASA themselves) ever dreamed of. In this video, I breakdown alternative ways NASA could use their SpaceX HLS Starship to bring more cargo and people to the moon.

Thanks to Dale Rutherford @Dtrford on twitter for the thumbnail art.

Animations from the great and talented:
ERC X https://www.youtube.com/c/ErcXSpace
Deep Space Courier https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdi...
Hazegrayart https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh2d...

Timeline

0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Current Plan
8:22 - Split Crew & Cargo
10:40 - One Way Cargo
15:31 - Round Trip Crew
25:27 - Comparison
34:33 - Final Thoughts
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/22/2021 12:01 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1395882834699640832

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1396059207179415556
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/23/2021 06:59 am
https://youtu.be/NsgOpmaZUQU
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/24/2021 01:27 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1396819811670261760

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PART 3 Lunar Starship lander:
A look into the not too distant future. These are based on the most recent concepts & current iterations by @NASA & @SpaceX (not my ideas, just my interpretations). This is all part of a bigger infographic I’m working on.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/24/2021 07:33 pm
https://youtu.be/Yv8N-6b-EWA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/26/2021 06:52 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1397140728153788416

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I think this is what puts the "Super" in Superheavy:
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: [email protected] on 05/26/2021 10:59 pm
https://youtu.be/Cjq85zVUW7A
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/27/2021 06:43 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1397745560854073347

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Who wants some wallpapers? 😉
You can download them here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/182zR2
Just scroll down.
2.5 K resolution, 48 bpp.
Enjoy!
#STARSHIP #wallpaper #SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 05/27/2021 09:09 am
https://youtu.be/Cjq85zVUW7A

Really spectacular! Look forward to seeing an animation that also covers the folllowing stages of EDL.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/29/2021 02:08 pm
https://twitter.com/kendall_dirks/status/1398640498223587334

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Starship fuels up before liftoff on its offshore launch platform Deimos!

#SpaceX #Starship #Deimos #Render
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/29/2021 02:11 pm
https://youtu.be/dK_m9Bh3ZiA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: livingjw on 05/29/2021 05:05 pm


Outer engines do not need, and will most probably not have the 90 degree flex couplings since they won't be pivoting. Plumbing will likely go straight into the CH4 pump. Outer engines are a different design. They will need a larger throat, larger pumps, and simplified control and plumbing.

John
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 05/29/2021 05:32 pm
Also I think that all engines will be on one level
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/29/2021 10:54 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1398766719859048450

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29 Raptor Engine Booster, I do wonder how they will fit 32 under that 9m skirt?🤔

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1398768429574787072

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Mighty.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: CamiloPasin on 05/30/2021 08:40 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1398766719859048450

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29 Raptor Engine Booster, I do wonder how they will fit 32 under that 9m skirt?🤔

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1398768429574787072

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Mighty.

That render is wrong unfortunately, the outer engines is not mounted in the correct place. Their LOX inlet is almost center in the perimeter of the 9m diameter ring.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/31/2021 05:23 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1399146737483321344

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Possible 32 Raptor layout, the 3-9-20! (Center engines gimball, the rest are fixed.)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1399221133711446018

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Pretty close. Inner ring is closer to center 3, as all 12 gimbal together. Boost back burn efficiency is greatly improved in this config.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/31/2021 03:54 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1399295687653724160

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Space twitter, wish me some luck 😀🤞

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1399382909199556608

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8415 so far :-)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/31/2021 05:36 pm
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1399372644093415426

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9 Center engines!
~ Some major changes needed for 32 engine design / 12 center engines.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 05/31/2021 11:38 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1399508182322589699

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Flamey End.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/01/2021 02:37 pm
https://twitter.com/kendall_dirks/status/1399727683404288009

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Thanks everyone for all the love on my sea launch scene! Here's some studio renders of my platform model with an astronaut for scale!

I'll do some renders with the tower and fuel tanks next.
#SpaceX #Deimos #Render
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/02/2021 07:20 am
https://twitter.com/caspar_stanley/status/1399853403874992128

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You're loved, every single one of you beautiful people ❤🏳️‍🌈
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/02/2021 09:36 pm
https://youtu.be/S8EMYhGBTXY
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/04/2021 06:55 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1400481731011022851

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Allright, an updated model by @Neopork85 and my tiles. Dope or not? Does this fix what Elon said in his comment? That's my N1 concern right now, before I move on. 🙏

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1400674116651393024

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I am 99% positive I will go with this layout.
1. Almost no info from EM ( 1 confusing comment 😄)
2. These are areas where plasma hits in CFD I did. It's not correct but compared to 0 information available it is something I can rely on.
3. A lot of discussion here on Twitter

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1400675497391144961

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White tiles - abrupt transition from black heat tiles to steel feels dangerous, so I added that transition layer. At lease that's how I see that.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/04/2021 06:58 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1400595796794425344

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Full-stack.

#SpaceX #Starship

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1400669726322302976

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😍
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/04/2021 11:16 am
twitter.com/_brendan_lewis/status/1400756806805114883

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Here it is everyone!! My Starship Blueprint shirt has been updated with the new Superheavy tank design and 32 Raptor engine configuration! Go check it out and buy one if you'd like!

https://twitter.com/_brendan_lewis/status/1400769205339758593

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And here's a version to use for a wallpaper!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/05/2021 05:36 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1400968589490987012

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10min to Boarding.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/05/2021 12:11 pm
Going live on the next hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFt_LsFRFEQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 06/05/2021 01:52 pm
Going live on the next hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFt_LsFRFEQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFt_LsFRFEQ)
Should check this out for some good reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=527fb3-UZGo
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/06/2021 01:37 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1401352084851724289

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Thee more renders.
I must say this was one hell of a task but it is over and I can't describe how happy I am. 😉🙂
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: cdebuhr on 06/06/2021 02:55 am
I am not sure where to post this, as it isn't worthy of a render per se. 


Looking at the image provided by BCG and assuming that the unique cutouts circled in orange are significant to future designs, i went ahead and extrapolated to get a 29 engine puck design. 


The proximity of some engines, marked by a light blue line make me think that those inner 4 engines will be extruded further out the back of the booster to make more room.
You've missed the memo, I think, about what the thrust puck is doing.  It's only supporting the inner steerable engines (i.e., the central 9).  The outer 20 engines are to be affixed to a support ring that is the same diameter as the outer skin of the booster (i.e., 9m).  I don't know the actual diameter of the thrust puck (anyone?), but it's nowhere near 9 metres, and 29 raptors wouldn't even come close to being able to fit, no matter how you arranged them.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 06/06/2021 02:28 pm
I advise to delete that so it won't cause confusion for those not so deeply into superheavy design.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 06/06/2021 09:45 pm
No, leave it, it's a great thrust puck design for the next-gen 75-raptor Super Super Heavy!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/06/2021 11:44 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1401685015482798080
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/07/2021 06:54 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1401790944383586304

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Closed tasks:
*) 3D Tiles
*) Some changes to @Neopork85 Starship model (required for animation and FVX)
*) New hinges.
Current tasks:
*) Old Raptors removed -> Install my Raptors
*) Prepare the model for complex VFX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/09/2021 05:34 am
twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1402440845375197184

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The Ship that survived.
WIP of burnt tiles and steel effects.

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1402442064269398018

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Plasma contact swipe area (I don't know what to call it :-) )
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/10/2021 06:32 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1402798846841872386

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Production diary:
SN20 with tiles and 2 sets of materials (clean and burned) are done and ready for VFX.  😉🤘
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/10/2021 12:13 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1402961117794635778

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Work-in-progress on my infographic poster of @SpaceX’s Starship orbital test flight. A few words to add but still not quite sure how that landing and retrieval is going to work out. Only one person can help me there.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/11/2021 12:57 pm
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1401569039030308865

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#SpaceX Starship and booster ready for Lift-off from Deimos!!

[ 3D Rendering ]


https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1403248775401988098

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Super heavy and Starship fueling process on deimos!.
3D Render, Animation will come soon probably.! With some amazing smoke simulations!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/12/2021 09:53 am
https://twitter.com/eritokaio/status/1403554233002102785

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Better rig than my previous raptor. Thanks @Caspar_Stanley for showing me how to do the bendy CH4 pipe.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/13/2021 09:26 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1404184060629499904

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Rvacs by @Neopork85 converted, textured and installed.
#3DSN20ProductionDiary
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/13/2021 11:26 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1404214866718740482

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Orbital Pad A.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/14/2021 05:55 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1404037903030775810

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Version 1.0: Work-in-progress of @SpaceX’s Starship orbital test flight. I will continue to update artwork and add details right up until the orbital launch.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/14/2021 03:24 pm
https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1404446952046141444

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On May 5th, 2021 #SpaceX #Starship #SN15 performed the belly flop maneuver on its way back to #Starbase TX. For the first time ever, the vehicle pointed its nose to the north before attempting the flip-n-burn maneuver.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/14/2021 07:07 pm
twitter.com/izanramos2002/status/1404515569559293957

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This is it. Modeling part is finished on my #SpaceX Raptor engine, now uvs and textures...

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/izanramos2002/status/1404515762681827328
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 06/18/2021 09:48 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1404037903030775810

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Version 1.0: Work-in-progress of @SpaceX’s Starship orbital test flight. I will continue to update artwork and add details right up until the orbital launch.

Tony, for me it is a bit too busy. Could you cut out a couple of the Starships and boosters? Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 06/18/2021 11:05 am
Or make it larger and spread the elements out a bit.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/18/2021 12:17 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1405857190666072068

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The money shot we never got... can you guess what I'm referring to.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/18/2021 01:28 pm
https://twitter.com/dstarship3/status/1405877085479051265

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Here you go! SN11 is released!! 🎉 🎉
Download the files from https://www.starship-3d.com/ and enjoy the ship you never really saw flying :))

@SpaceX
@elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/18/2021 04:27 pm
https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1405907807631818753

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#SN15 Decent Wallpapers!
I had a few requests after releasing my latest render for some wallpaper formats. Here are a few variations in different sizes.
Desktop - 3840x2160
Phone  - 2048x3840
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/19/2021 08:29 pm
https://twitter.com/romana97470935/status/1406238978420838402

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First of many!
Starship reaching Max q, on assent to orbit.
(Thanks to @sebastianhrmn with help on the render)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/19/2021 08:39 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1406349357989961734

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I didn't want to share this video yet but what the hell, let's add some fuel to the hype. 😉🙂
I've changed a lot of stuff in the project recently and this video is no longer a part of it anyway.
#3DSN20ProductionDiary
#SN20
#SpaceX
@Neopork85 @Bl3D_Eccentric

https://youtu.be/MlwVzKldOL4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 06/19/2021 09:39 pm
Sweet reflection of the launch tower, Alexander.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/21/2021 09:49 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1407086088452198401

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Gridfins have started to pop up at Starbase (via @BocaChicaGal). There are still many unknowns on how they will operate during the landing mid-air catch, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/22/2021 06:03 am
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1407213378993635331

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SN20, ready for splashdown!

A short 3D render from me!
Huge thank you for @MarkoMakuch3D for providing his starship model!! ✌😁

Animation will come soon!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/22/2021 01:11 pm
twitter.com/infographictony/status/1407316301891047428

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SpaceX Orbital flight test Parts 7 to 12. Parts 1 to 6 in earlier tweets. Will update as new details emerge.

https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1407316312586559492
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/23/2021 02:45 pm
https://twitter.com/romana97470935/status/1407698318403072000

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Starship Schematic!
@elonmusk #spaceX #starship #3d #ElonMusk #NASA #3dart #autodesk #mars #Fusion360 @ADSKCommunity @adskFusion360
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/24/2021 12:24 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1407845750663430144

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Starbase Texas.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/24/2021 06:21 am
https://youtu.be/KtcWazJ00RM

twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1407923843818311680

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Production diary update: ascent phase. 
This one was the hardest VFX ever, phew.
@jinsprucker voice adds a lot to the realism.
(Narration is temporary of course).
FullHD version: youtu.be/KtcWazJ00RM
#3DSN20ProductionDiary
#SN20
#SpaceX
@Neopork85 @Bl3D_Eccentric

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1407944055170940928

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Wow!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/25/2021 06:45 am
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1402235910083780610

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Accidentally deleted this tweet, so here it is again!
#EpicRocketRender #liftoff #spaceX #launchTower #Blender3d
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/25/2021 06:11 pm
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1408487508044922885

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#Starship #LandingLegs
Concept by: @steveMmattison
Springblade absorbs shock, wide stance, minimal space, indiv. adjustable = levels ship or lift 2 legs to test/repair leg in-between, holds ship 2m off surface, redundant, simple, light TiNi, elegant, fun! #goelon @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/26/2021 05:39 am
https://youtu.be/PM1BAHpzkwQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/26/2021 05:51 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1408585776921825280
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/26/2021 06:30 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1408843737875288071

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Speaking of the catching system and arms.. Since there is no info on that I've spent a few hours to design and model something that will look more or less realistic in my video. I think that looks OK for 5 hours of urgent concepting in 3D on the fly for a CGI version.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/27/2021 10:32 am
The finished video will be amazing

https://youtu.be/TeZqiAuRCOA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/28/2021 08:13 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1409605582319984641

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Starship at Staging Area.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: PraetorArcher on 06/29/2021 02:00 pm
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1408487508044922885

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#Starship #LandingLegs
Concept by: @steveMmattison
Springblade absorbs shock, wide stance, minimal space, indiv. adjustable = levels ship or lift 2 legs to test/repair leg in-between, holds ship 2m off surface, redundant, simple, light TiNi, elegant, fun! #goelon @elonmusk

Might be better for another thread but I would love to see some numbers for this proposal.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/29/2021 10:06 pm
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1409991035078459396

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#SpaceX #Blender3d #Starship #SN20

#Render of my new #superheavybooster catch arm model on the tower. Added big cushions on top of the arms for a soft touchdown!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/30/2021 06:13 am
twitter.com/smvllstvrs/status/1409565598439383040

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Happy Birthday @elonmusk! Enjoy this catching system designed to help SpaceX bring Humanity to Mars!

Applicable for both Starship & Superheavy™, the light-weight system greatly increases margins for a successful catch. Full explanation here: youtu.be/fLjS8JqtnYM

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1409735124124635138

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Not bad
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Izan Ramos on 06/30/2021 02:58 pm
https://twitter.com/IzanRamos2002/status/1410012105500246016
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/01/2021 06:28 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1410372285664575501

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New tower section arrived at Boca Chica.
Ok ok, kidding 😀
I decided to remodel it completely (using @Bl3D_Eccentric model as a 3D reference (thanx Owe!))
and added all new elements that we see on new photos (and some imagination).
#3DSN20ProductionDiary
#SN20
#SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/02/2021 11:21 am
twitter.com/infographictony/status/1410538605047517185

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First animation I’ve done in about 5 years. Happy with this rough result. Really worked hard to get the look of my infographics. Hope to put together a more lengthy clip and do some tests on how I can work these into my graphics.

https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1410557619366809600

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Clean version without color grading.

https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1410642558271721474

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A little fun on my iPhone, passing the time away while we are in a 3 day covid lockdown. Tomorrow I’ll get back to some serious business and update my Orbital Starship infographic now that we have learnt a few new things.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/02/2021 11:29 am
https://twitter.com/panose_wl/status/1410893879151321088
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 07/02/2021 01:16 pm
twitter.com/smvllstvrs/status/1409565598439383040

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Happy Birthday @elonmusk! Enjoy this catching system designed to help SpaceX bring Humanity to Mars!

Applicable for both Starship & Superheavy™, the light-weight system greatly increases margins for a successful catch. Full explanation here: youtu.be/fLjS8JqtnYM

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1409735124124635138 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1409735124124635138)

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Not bad
Reminds me of the blue temporary towers here:
(1:05)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmyn-Y8AZ8s
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/04/2021 10:22 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1411808051934511106
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/05/2021 10:41 pm
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1412179414671056896
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/08/2021 01:29 pm
https://twitter.com/minigcyt/status/1412887012680556548

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So I’m taking a 7 day vacation and this means I won’t be able to post new renders… So here is my new HLS render! Hope you like it! I’ll be back with a new render in 7 days!
#spacex #starship #nasa
@spacex @elonmusk @NASA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/09/2021 08:48 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1413597115075399684

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Starship Deep Space Telescope.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 07/09/2021 10:45 pm
I think the main aperture should use the full Starship diameter. That would be the way to really improve on Hubble.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/10/2021 07:42 am
https://youtu.be/jVeFM5dEp0c
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/11/2021 02:46 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1414234214652858372

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Production update.
This is the result of all brainstorms and discussions. Looks pretty plausible, right?
I am freezing this version and moving on but I still would love to hear what you guys think. 
#3dsn20productiondiary 
#SN20
#SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/12/2021 02:13 pm
https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1414584945033498626

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#SpaceX has been working tirelessly to build out the infrastructure needed for the first orbital launch attempt of the #Starship system from #Starbase Texas. If all goes smoothly, this site should see a launch by the end of the year with #S20 atop #B4.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/12/2021 06:57 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1414658555005730817

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Work-in-progress (low resolution version) my interpretation of the heat tile configuration on @SpaceX’s orbital starship, update to my main step-by-step infographic coming soon.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/13/2021 03:51 pm
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1414972206862438403

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#Starbase #3drender #superheavyCatcher @elonmusk @Michael10711597 @AlexSvanArt #Blender3d My more accurate version of what Spacex's #starship launchtower and catching system could look like!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/13/2021 03:56 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1414976794705473539

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I decided to remove all vertical panels because at that altitude they will act as huge sails and might damage everything. Also - weight. This version looks more realistic to me.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/14/2021 02:10 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1415123537564782594
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/14/2021 07:06 pm
https://twitter.com/eritokaio/status/1415385613524635651

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Here's my newest final renders of my plasma effect scene Everyone can download them from Patreon. Includes mobile format. Up to 8K res
patreon.com/posts/53658310

Oh and you can buy prints :)
artstation.com/eritokaio/prin…
(MORE BELOW)

#SpaceX #Starship #Blender3d #BNPR #ElonMusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/15/2021 12:09 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1415460661803507713

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Looking down at Orbital Pad A.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/15/2021 08:50 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1415290234984538116

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This appears to be the most obvious and simplistic configuration for a Superheavy with 33 Raptor engines, any variations in the configuration are just reinventing a perfectly good wheel. That said, the wheels internal spokes have to be able to gimbal… so to speak.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/15/2021 01:31 pm
https://twitter.com/dstarship3/status/1415657408244817922

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SN15 Nose cone WIP. This work is based on the study of the weld marks visible on the nose cone as well as pictures of parts at the build site and SN11 wreckage.
You can see the different structures for the RCS COPVs and flap hinges. Still lots of work to do!
@SpaceX
@elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/16/2021 08:25 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1415775898675130372

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Booster 4 waiting for it’s Starship.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/17/2021 05:27 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1416166582628327430

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Possible Booster 20-10-3 Raptor config.

#SpaceX #Starship

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1416168229924397056

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Very accurate!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/19/2021 02:40 pm
https://youtu.be/hmhvfHORKPU

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In the coming years, SpaceX's Starship vehicle may compete with commercial airliners in point to point Travel. The Starship will be able to carry close to 1000 people at a time, and will be able to make almost any trip around the world in less than 30 minutes. The cost of this trip will eventually not be much more than that of a first class airliner ticket.

Link to Video Without music and overlays: https://youtu.be/xeRKcJC-Al8

This project has been in the works for the past month in a half, so some of it is outdated. Luckily, compared to how fast SpaceX was changing thing back earlier this spring, they have not changed much since. The few notable things that I know are not up to date:
Future Versions of The Superheavy Booster will have 33 raptor engines, this one only has 32
The Grid Fins on the Superheavy Booster will be on the top ring, not 2 rings down
The Raptors on the Superheavy Booster will not be protected by any shroud - like on Starship
The Superheavy will and may hover before being caught, unlike the pretty hard catch here

If I missed anything, let me know in the comments

I will be taking a little break before my next video, but it will hopefully be worth it as I am planning something big.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/21/2021 05:41 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1417641429606748160

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Beyond the Kármán Line.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/21/2021 11:43 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1417802820724666373

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1417815812031791106

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"from dusk till dawn"
(no arms, no crane etc. it's still being built, right? And I know about Mechazilla but I like my version of the name)
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/22/2021 02:08 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1417993278033735682
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/22/2021 11:37 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1417985644744396802

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Ok, I am back. Let's go:
Production diary update (did you miss this? 😉😁)
Early morning launch must be a sight to behold. 
It's just spin-off render because it looks cool.
#3DSN20ProductionDiary
#SN20
#SpaceX
@Neopork85  @Bl3D_Eccentric

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1418010806147600384

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"Dreaming of spaceflight"
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/22/2021 04:53 pm
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1418252226183770127

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"Wen Hop"
Updated aft flaps
#3DSN20ProductionDiary #SN20 #SpaceX @Neopork85
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/22/2021 11:21 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1418349658364071940

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Short Hop Around the Globe.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/23/2021 06:25 am
twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1418379652951945219

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1418395602606596096
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/23/2021 04:20 pm
https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1418606838988169219
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/23/2021 04:59 pm
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1418616349476200461

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Photoshopped image of Starship 20 & Booster 4🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/24/2021 10:38 am
https://youtu.be/U4h7WhAfPmI
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Ludus on 07/24/2021 06:02 pm


Creative and well executed. It first struck me as just illustrating taking it over the top and way too Las Vegas for something this serious.

It may be though that where this belongs is a few miles away on South Padre Island as part of a Starbase Expo. Starting with something like a SpaceX version of the KSC Visitor Center theme park but a permanent Exposition of Technology Innovation with many attractions. This would be Elon’s version of Stark Expo in Ironman 2. The Starhopper and other early Starship prototypes would of course move there too. The giant raster would have an appropriate setting there. There should be plenty of retired Starships and Superheavy boosters to go with it. Exhibits, gift shops inside. Bar/restaurant at the top.

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/27/2021 05:03 am
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1419786398169813002

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New Cargobay Testing as seen at Starbase. Now a bit shorter than previous versions - still huge.

(Image via @NASASpaceflight )

#SpaceX #Starship

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1419786716391616523

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Third image, what do you guys think of the change?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Tangilinear Interjar on 07/27/2021 03:29 pm
As I'm completely incapable of producing anything that wouldn't look like a Kindergartener drew it, I'm going to suggest an idea for cargo bay that one of these artists might take a stab at.

With the shorter door people think that there will be a lot of lost space but the deployment mechanism is going to be pretty significant and if that were tucked up in the nose it might actually give more room for the actual cargo.

Also imagine a chomper that hinged at the top rather than the bottom. Just kinda reverse the whole thing.

As for support, there could be a small/short retractable mechanism on the top dome but that wouldn't take up any significant volume.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/30/2021 06:12 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1420890919784566787

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Starman is Eager to Fly.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Nonexistence on 07/30/2021 01:15 pm
These are all spectacular

 I keep wondering where and how they will get crew and other personnel to the ship. Seems like another crew access arm is needed.


Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/30/2021 02:51 pm
https://twitter.com/kendall_dirks/status/1421108675926798339

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Liftoff! Starship takes flight from offshore launch platform Deimos!

#SpaceX #Starship #Render
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/30/2021 03:27 pm
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1421129995854954496

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fueling has finished... #SpaceX #Starship

T-3 minutes

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1421199753619070977

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SN20 Liftoff!!!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/31/2021 03:58 pm
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1421488669832237059
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/31/2021 11:02 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1421603121835515914

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Warp 9 Activated.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/01/2021 08:04 pm
https://twitter.com/cnunezimages/status/1421923857808691202
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/02/2021 08:16 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1422269609562951703

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"Good Night Earth"

The #Starship #HLS on the moons southern pole.  Hunting for ice during the long polar night. 

With the speed #SpaceX and #NASA are going we may see this sooner than latter.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/02/2021 09:23 pm
https://youtu.be/UYwrOaQCIWk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/03/2021 04:26 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1422591623427461120

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Mechazilla Catching Super Heavy.

#SpaceX #Starship @elonmusk
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/04/2021 07:46 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1422561913008009224

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Finished model with all current fixes and updates
#3DSN20ProductionDiary #SN20 #SpaceX

https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1422704570707451908

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New gridfins
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/04/2021 06:34 pm
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1422989241320185859

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GO SpaceX, GO SN20, GO BN4!!!

A short animation will come hopefully tomorrow or in 2 days!
If everything goes right!😁
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/05/2021 09:09 am
https://twitter.com/alexsvanart/status/1423080078913769477

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Remember glass Raptors? 😉
Just having some artistic fun before I hit the sack.
These renders include models by @Neopork85 @Bl3D_Eccentric
#SN20 #Starbase
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 08/05/2021 02:28 pm
Cheap and quick render but fun comparison now that we actually have Starship, Superheavy, and the GSE in the same frame.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: c4fusion on 08/05/2021 03:28 pm
Cheap and quick render but fun comparison now that we actually have Starship, Superheavy, and the GSE in the same frame.

I am sorry, but I have to ask is the scale correct? I thought falcon 9 is 70 meters and should be more than a payload fairing taller.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: xvel on 08/05/2021 03:36 pm
This is completely wrong all those rockets are bigger, please fix this or remove.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: JCopernicus on 08/05/2021 03:50 pm
That looks about right?

at least quick glance per wiki, maybe like ten or twenty feet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: billh on 08/05/2021 05:23 pm
This is completely wrong all those rockets are bigger, please fix this or remove.
Maybe you're not accounting for the orbital launch table. When I do that it looks pretty plausible to me.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 08/05/2021 05:43 pm
Cheap and quick render but fun comparison now that we actually have Starship, Superheavy, and the GSE in the same frame.

I am sorry, but I have to ask is the scale correct? I thought falcon 9 is 70 meters and should be more than a payload fairing taller.
This is completely wrong all those rockets are bigger, please fix this or remove.
It was a quick and dirty render using this image (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V#/media/File:Super_heavy-lift_launch_vehicles.png) from Wikipedia, but on review it looks like the scale of the Wikipedia image is significantly off. It has the Saturn V S-IC stage at 42 pixels wide and Starship at 40 pixels wide (making the S-IC stage 5% wider than Starship) when in reality the S-IC's 10.1 meter diameter makes it 12.2% wider than Starship. As a result everything is about 6.4% smaller than it should have been.

I was using width rather than height because it is unclear exactly how far down into the launch table Superheavy is sitting. I'll re-create the image and check the sizes by hand this time.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 08/05/2021 06:37 pm
This is completely wrong all those rockets are bigger, please fix this or remove.
Maybe you're not accounting for the orbital launch table. When I do that it looks pretty plausible to me.
Moved them up even with the orbital launch table.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/08/2021 08:59 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1424473919508131840

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New Starship Orbital Refueling Method as described by @elonmusk .

#SpaceX #Starship

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1424652008288620544

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🔥🔥
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/10/2021 12:56 pm
https://twitter.com/ds_courier/status/1425050714808721410
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/10/2021 06:23 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1425160600045309956

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STARSHIP UPDATE - What is known so far: In recent interviews & Starbase with Tim Dodd, Elon Musk shared some great insights of what @SpaceX have planned for their upcoming Orbital Test Flight of Starship S20. I thought it was time to do an infographic update.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 08/11/2021 12:49 am
Not sure if this is the right place for it.  From reddit:

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/11/2021 09:16 am
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1425380449828974599

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How SpaceX could catch the super heavy booster with Mechazilla!

3D Rendering by me! - (still in work)!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/13/2021 02:33 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1426188761461841932

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Mechazilla <1 Hour Turnaround.

#SpaceX #Starship @elonmusk

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1426192793035186182

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Pretty close. Booster & arms will move faster. QD arm will steady booster for ship mate.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/13/2021 11:46 pm
https://youtu.be/l2bnv7hL6NA
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/14/2021 08:24 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1426536250954113031

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Mechazilla is now even closer to reality thanks to @hoppar_app ! Try it out yourself, we made it free for everyone to enjoy.🚀🥢🤖

twitter.com/hoppar_app/status/1426535371366670337

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#MECHAZILLA is now in #HoppAR free for all! Retweet!
Thanks @ErcXspace and @smvllstvrs for sharing your awesome 3D model and making it possible!
@elonmusk how close is it to reality? Any comments?
hoppar.app/store #SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/16/2021 09:28 am
https://twitter.com/nick_stevens_gr/status/1427181878772129792

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4k render of a Raptor engine, with transparency and edge effects to show the details.
vimeo.com/587727633

The superb model is by Alexander Svan, @AlexSvanArt

https://vimeo.com/587727633
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/17/2021 07:55 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1427416927585116160

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Believe in the future…

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/17/2021 01:37 pm
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1427577301869293572

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QD and catch arm to come. Oh and that minor thing of re-stacking then launch, we all need this, thank you @SpaceX
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/18/2021 12:26 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1427964707609137154

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New Starship flap design as described by @elonmusk .

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/18/2021 03:06 pm
https://twitter.com/io_nathaniel/status/1427709744744120320

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30 days after seeing Falcon Heavy go to orbit I had quit my job and started Digital Spaces. Seeing what the @SpaceX team was able to accomplish inspired me to dream bigger.

Watching #Starship stack last week inspired me again - this time to visualize #SN20 in orbit.

🌎🚀
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Asteroza on 08/18/2021 11:04 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1427964707609137154

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New Starship flap design as described by @elonmusk .

#SpaceX #Starship

With the leeward side pointing down, the new forward flap layout is giving catfish face vibes...
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/19/2021 01:58 am
https://youtu.be/iS3hxLhTCwQ
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/20/2021 06:56 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1428561021258502157

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My interpretation of the suggested design change to the forward flaps. Would tiles need to cover more of the nosecone, also how vital is articulation of the forward flaps (used for stablization only?), would solve many issues if they were fixed. Could RCS do the [email protected]
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/23/2021 01:05 pm
twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1429616036572184580

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Eagerly Waiting…

#SpaceX #Starship

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1429616317888335877

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Heatshield progress:

Main hull mostly done. —> Flaps next.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/24/2021 01:23 pm
Well, it’s a bit different from the normal Starship renders …

https://twitter.com/m_tijn/status/1430157419611664388
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/24/2021 05:53 pm
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1430212685375971329

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So, here is a 6K Rendering of this scene!! :D
Enjoy the beauty!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/25/2021 02:39 pm
 :o

https://twitter.com/izanramos2002/status/1430536392749236237

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First test renders of my Raptor with textures. Do you like it? Does it look realistic to you? Wait for when it's finished. #SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/26/2021 11:24 am
https://twitter.com/infographictony/status/1430851208588169217

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"Standing on the shoulders of giants"
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Oersted on 08/27/2021 10:09 pm
I'd love to see a rendering of the Starship and the Saturn V side-by-side on their respective, historical milk-stools.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/30/2021 07:07 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1432128170568863746

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Boarding All Passengers.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 08/31/2021 05:34 pm
https://youtu.be/ajXHjWw-Vt4
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: thebraylonwilliams on 08/31/2021 08:33 pm
https://youtu.be/ajXHjWw-Vt4
Would this be connected to the fuel depot or a private space station?
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/02/2021 07:03 am
https://twitter.com/3ddaniel1/status/1433319376556593152

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Here is a short test animation of a future starship flight... still not completely done, still need more work on certain things...
But I hope you like this one for now.✌
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/03/2021 01:40 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1433244106977906692

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Progress on New Starship Model.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/04/2021 04:23 am
Liked and retweeted by Elon:

twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1433934231353413633

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Starbase 2023.

#SpaceX #Starship

Edit to add:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1434053234298015745

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2022
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 09/05/2021 02:35 pm
https://youtu.be/ajXHjWw-Vt4 (https://youtu.be/ajXHjWw-Vt4)


None of it is designed to be held that way.  They should have it "hanging" from the nose, like it was hanging from a crane.  Hell, the people would even be able to walk around on the floors of the Starship:



Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/06/2021 01:00 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1434681828775014402

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Roll Out.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/07/2021 01:49 pm
New SpaceX Starship render (with complimentary coffee at the Satshow today)

https://twitter.com/nova_road/status/1435233942471315464
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Cheapchips on 09/07/2021 04:11 pm

High res version of the above image

https://twitter.com/SuperclusterHQ/status/1435262536081870852?

Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: clongton on 09/07/2021 05:02 pm
Everyone seems to be forgetting the well documented experience that the astronauts had on board Skylab. If your "open space" is large enough that you can not grab onto something, somewhere, then in zero gravity you may very well be completely stuck in the middle of that nowhere, unable to move up/down/left/right/forward/backward; literally stuck there in the open until somebody else can get to you who CAN reach something. They learned this the hard way.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/07/2021 05:41 pm
https://twitter.com/nickhenning3d/status/1435293065225203714

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Will #SpaceX practice a controlled "landing" of #Starship booster 4 for their upcoming orbital flight test? 

I hope we get to find out very soon! 
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: sferrin on 09/07/2021 05:51 pm
Everyone seems to be forgetting the well documented experience that the astronauts had on board Skylab. If your "open space" is large enough that you can not grab onto something, somewhere, then in zero gravity you may very well be completely stuck in the middle of that nowhere, unable to move up/down/left/right/forward/backward; literally stuck there in the open until somebody else can get to you who CAN reach something. They learned this the hard way.


Just put up nets that span the space during weightless conditions.  Easily removable, light weight, etc.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/07/2021 10:24 pm
https://twitter.com/daenwiggan/status/1435345208493936644

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@elonmusk @RingWatchers
This is what I think the crew access will eventually look like. Well, at least this is what we are 3D printing for tower version 2.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/11/2021 08:22 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1436781638994829315

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12m Starship.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/17/2021 08:30 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1438575082125803529

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MECO - Stage separation.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/18/2021 05:40 am
https://twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1439089845159317508

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Here's a render of what we could see from SpaceX's Super Heavy booster in the near future!
We're seeing a lot of progress down at Boca Chica, and we're getting closer to seeing the tower complete. I'm wanting to show what we can expect to see from the next steps for Starship.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/18/2021 04:16 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1439261350522494976

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SpaceX Orbital Refueling Depot.

#SpaceX #Starship

twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1439261361217867782

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Additional Images.

https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1439261363923259395

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Credit to Michael Powell for the station model made in 1999(!) based on 2001 a Space Odyssey.
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/20/2021 09:34 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1440066230572830724

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Pathfinder 1.

#SpaceX #Starship
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: Yiosie on 09/21/2021 12:21 am
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1440066230572830724

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Pathfinder 1.

#SpaceX #Starship

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https://twitter.com/ErcXspace/status/1440067621630595079
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/22/2021 01:46 am
https://twitter.com/semraudylan/status/1440467528921223170

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Here's *yet another!* Starship render!
The vehicle will get super frosty as the cold methane and liquid oxygen fill the tanks. When the vehicle is full and ready to launch, we should very clearly see ice and large clouds of gas venting out the side.
Hope y'all enjoy this one!
Title: Re: Big Falcon Hopper onwards - Starship Hopper, Starship, Super Heavy Render thread
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/22/2021 10:36 pm
https://twitter.com/ercxspace/status/1440806963068096520

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Mechazilla Catching Starship.

#SpaceX #Starship
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