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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1420 on: 11/27/2024 02:40 am »
https://x.com/Starlink/status/1861544221683114066

The FCC has granted Starlink a US commercial license to provide supplemental coverage from space

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-24-1193A1.pdf

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In this Order and Authorization (Order), we grant in part and defer in part, with
conditions, the application, as amended, of Space Exploration Holdings, LLC (SpaceX) to construct,
deploy, and operate a constellation of second generation non-geostationary orbit (NGSO) fixed-satellite
service (FSS) satellites, known as its Gen2 Starlink constellation (SpaceX Gen2 Application, as
amended). We also grant in part and defer in part, with conditions, SpaceX’s modification application,
as amended, to provide Supplemental Coverage from Space (SCS) within the United States and to operate
on certain frequency bands for the purpose of performing direct-to-cellular (direct-to-cell)  operations
outside the United States using its previously authorized 7,500 Gen2 Starlink satellites (SpaceX SCS
Modification Application and SpaceX SCS Modification Amendment) and grant SpaceX’s modification
application to operate using V-band frequencies at altitudes ranging from 340 km to 360 km (SpaceX Vband Modification Application).

2. Specifically, we authorize SpaceX to operate its previously authorized 7,500 Gen2
Starlink satellites at the previously proposed altitudes of 340 km, 345 km, 350 km, and 360 km. SpaceX
is authorized to communicate with these satellites in the previously authorized Ku-, Ka-, E-, and V-band
frequencies, in conformance with the technical specifications SpaceX has provided to the Commission.

Implications of this:


https://twitter.com/longmier/status/1861612177158975616

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Any telco that signs up with @Starlink Direct to Cell can completely eliminate cellular dead zones for their entire country for text and data services. This includes coastal waterways and the ocean areas in between land for island nations.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1421 on: 11/28/2024 04:57 am »
For reference, do they get to crank up D2C power in international waters?

Wonder how that works out when a Starlink passes over a cruise ship already using Starlink terminals, especially if there are arrangements to have picocell/nanocell service provided by the cruise line, backhauled by Starlink terminals?

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1422 on: 12/02/2024 01:52 pm »
Cross-post of ISS observation of Starlinks clusters:

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1423 on: 12/09/2024 12:05 am »
Not sure if anyone else noticed. 

But, there appears to be a new variant of VX.x Mini (non-DtC) on the Group 12 launches.

Two photos attached.

First from the December 4 Group 6-70 launch.
Second from the earlier November 25th Group 12-1 launch

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1424 on: 12/09/2024 12:35 am »
Not sure if anyone else noticed. 

But, there appears to be a new variant of VX.x Mini (non-DtC) on the Group 12 launches.

Two photos attached.

First from the December 4 Group 6-70 launch.
Second from the earlier November 25th Group 12-1 launch

Yes, I noticed that, too, when I watched it. I'm glad you documented the difference. It seems a bit longer. I wonder if it's the same on the other side.  Or are the ones closer to the camera smaller?
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1425 on: 12/13/2024 09:12 pm »
Crossposting.

Confirmed by a SpaceX board member that current terminal manufacturing capacity at Bastrop is 4.7 million per annum and growing.

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The @Starlink manufacturing line is the closest thing to a fully-automated alien dreadnought that I have ever seen.

It makes 4.7 million terminals per year, and growing. One subsection is the largest printed circuit board factory in America.

2:31 PM · Dec 13, 2024

https://twitter.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1867653566040858906

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56590.msg2648458#msg2648458

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1426 on: 12/17/2024 12:12 am »
https://twitter.com/sandra_i_erwin/status/1868816741633319326

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SpaceX’s satellite internet service Starlink is projected to reach $11.8 billion in revenue next year, driven by strong consumer demand and growing U.S. military contracts, according to a new report from @QuiltySpace

https://spacenews.com/starlink-set-to-hit-11-8-billion-revenue-in-2025-boosted-by-military-contracts/

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1427 on: 12/28/2024 05:49 pm »
I think it is time to start a separate Starlink thread with a poll on when the IPO will occur.

Shotwell first floated the idea of a spinoff for Starlink in 2020 and Elon has stated it would occur when Starlink was profitable and revenue flow was more predictable. We are very close to that point, if not there, with Starlink achieving profitability in 2024. A Starlink spinoff makes sense as a separate business like Tesla while leaving SpaceX to continue with its core business as a launch provider while pursuing EM's vision of colonizing Mars.

My prediction is that by the end of 2025 Starlink satellites will be launched with Starship and become routine in 2026 leading to an IPO by the end of 2026.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1428 on: 12/30/2024 02:43 pm »
I think it is time to start a separate Starlink thread with a poll on when the IPO will occur.

Shotwell first floated the idea of a spinoff for Starlink in 2020 and Elon has stated it would occur when Starlink was profitable and revenue flow was more predictable. We are very close to that point, if not there, with Starlink achieving profitability in 2024. A Starlink spinoff makes sense as a separate business like Tesla while leaving SpaceX to continue with its core business as a launch provider while pursuing EM's vision of colonizing Mars.

My prediction is that by the end of 2025 Starlink satellites will be launched with Starship and become routine in 2026 leading to an IPO by the end of 2026.

I don't think Elon will want to give up any amount of control over any of his businesses until he is forced too.

I think he will keep Starlink private as long as possible.  Eventually if it becomes large enough with a global foot print there maybe political pressure about a private entity controlling that much bandwidth.  However, he has cozied up to the authorities so maybe that won't happen anytime soon.

I think Starlink is a trillion dollar enterprise, eventually.  One that could throw off ±$20 billion a year in profits.  That can fund alot of Starships and payout investors.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1429 on: 12/30/2024 06:42 pm »
I think it is time to start a separate Starlink thread with a poll on when the IPO will occur.

Shotwell first floated the idea of a spinoff for Starlink in 2020 and Elon has stated it would occur when Starlink was profitable and revenue flow was more predictable. We are very close to that point, if not there, with Starlink achieving profitability in 2024. A Starlink spinoff makes sense as a separate business like Tesla while leaving SpaceX to continue with its core business as a launch provider while pursuing EM's vision of colonizing Mars.

My prediction is that by the end of 2025 Starlink satellites will be launched with Starship and become routine in 2026 leading to an IPO by the end of 2026.

I don't think Elon will want to give up any amount of control over any of his businesses until he is forced too.

I think he will keep Starlink private as long as possible.  Eventually if it becomes large enough with a global foot print there maybe political pressure about a private entity controlling that much bandwidth.  However, he has cozied up to the authorities so maybe that won't happen anytime soon.

I think Starlink is a trillion dollar enterprise, eventually.  One that could throw off ±$20 billion a year in profits.  That can fund alot of Starships and payout investors.

Even when they IPO Starlink I still expect SpaceX to own like 80% of it for a while.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1430 on: 12/31/2024 03:06 pm »
https://twitter.com/starlink/status/1874118239049154913

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In 2024, the Starlink team focused on expanding coverage, increasing speeds and lowering latency for our now 4.6M+ customers and counting around the world → https://starlink.com/stories

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1431 on: 12/31/2024 03:47 pm »
https://twitter.com/starlink/status/1874118714217685306

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This past year, we activated Starlink in 27 new markets, and are now covering a global area home to 2.8 billion people, including those who live in some of the most remote places on Earth

https://twitter.com/starlink/status/1874121830983950590

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With Falcon 9’s increased launch rate and the enhanced V2 Mini satellites, we were able to add more than 300 Tbps of capacity to the network

https://twitter.com/starlink/status/1874122446443581530

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And with a glimpse of the future, views from Starship entering Earth’s atmosphere were made possible by Starlink.

Soon, Starship will launch our V3 Starlink satellites, which will add 60 Tbps of capacity to the network per launch – more than 20x per Falcon 9 launch today
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1432 on: 12/31/2024 05:01 pm »
Damn, so that’s roughly ~1TB per Starlink sat… jeez  :o

I remember when ViaSat 3 having a terabit sat was a big deal now SpaceX is going to launch a card deck worth of them every launch!
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1433 on: 12/31/2024 05:07 pm »
Damn, so that’s roughly ~1TB per Starlink sat… jeez  :o

I remember when ViaSat 3 having a terabit sat was a big deal now SpaceX is going to launch a card deck worth of them every launch!
Yep, and that's using V2 mini. The big V2 that launches on Starship will have even more bps/satellite.

What's even more impressive: what goes up must come down. They need teleport Earth stations to match that user demand.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1434 on: 12/31/2024 05:23 pm »
Damn, so that’s roughly ~1TB per Starlink sat… jeez  :o

I remember when ViaSat 3 having a terabit sat was a big deal now SpaceX is going to launch a card deck worth of them every launch!
That is an insane amount of bandwidth per satellite and per launch, and therefore pretty valuable.  I'm a little surprised they aren't pushing harder to make orbit and deploy some payloads.  Even a single launch would be quite a significant increase in revenue.  They are already capped in a lot of key markets

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1435 on: 12/31/2024 05:32 pm »
Damn, so that’s roughly ~1TB per Starlink sat… jeez  :o

I remember when ViaSat 3 having a terabit sat was a big deal now SpaceX is going to launch a card deck worth of them every launch!
Yep, and that's using V2 mini. The big V2 that launches on Starship will have even more bps/satellite.

What's even more impressive: what goes up must come down. They need teleport Earth stations to match that user demand.

Rather, it's the V3 that has 1 Tbps on the front and 4 Tbps on the back.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1436 on: 12/31/2024 05:41 pm »
The document with all that info is available at the linked https://stories.starlink.com/ page.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1437 on: 12/31/2024 06:22 pm »
Damn, so that’s roughly ~1TB per Starlink sat… jeez  :o

I remember when ViaSat 3 having a terabit sat was a big deal now SpaceX is going to launch a card deck worth of them every launch!
Yep, and that's using V2 mini. The big V2 that launches on Starship will have even more bps/satellite.

What's even more impressive: what goes up must come down. They need teleport Earth stations to match that user demand.

Rather, it's the V3 that has 1 Tbps on the front and 4 Tbps on the back.

The V3's sound like beasts, but I can already imagine a V4 that is one full sized slice of a Starship payload bay.  Will be huge!
When do we see the first Superheavy reuse?

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1438 on: 12/31/2024 07:01 pm »
Damn, so that’s roughly ~1TB per Starlink sat… jeez  :o

I remember when ViaSat 3 having a terabit sat was a big deal now SpaceX is going to launch a card deck worth of them every launch!
Yep, and that's using V2 mini. The big V2 that launches on Starship will have even more bps/satellite.

What's even more impressive: what goes up must come down. They need teleport Earth stations to match that user demand.

Rather, it's the V3 that has 1 Tbps on the front and 4 Tbps on the back.

The V3's sound like beasts, but I can already imagine a V4 that is one full sized slice of a Starship payload bay.  Will be huge!
Yep. Same number of satellites in orbit, but each one throwing a lot more beams (and/or co-hosted earth observation). At some point the world will wake up to the dangers of the Kessler syndrome and strongly regulate the number of satellites and the requirements for active collision avoidance and controlled deorbit, and the resulting cap on the total number of satellites will dictate the use of these big beasts to replace smaller ones.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1439 on: 12/31/2024 07:22 pm »
Just for comparison, Cloudflare has a total network capacity of 321 Tbps, which is 23 times greater than the largest DDoS attacks ever recorded.  Starlink is rapidly approaching that number, which blows my mind. 

Total Internet bandwidth is estimated at 1,500 Tbps for reference, which means at the rate they are launching, Starlink could legitimately be a significant chunk of overall bandwidth for the entire planet.

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