Damon Hill - 1/6/2006 1:40 PMJust supplying the hydrogen for a single CaLV and other normal Cape operations will be interesting enough. That'll be considerably more cryogen to supply than Saturn V or Shuttle operations ever called for; lots of tank trucks or perhaps a new hydrogen facility constructed for the purpose? There's been an oxygen plant in nearby Mims since Apollo days.
Jim - 1/6/2006 2:03 PMQuoteDamon Hill - 1/6/2006 1:40 PMJust supplying the hydrogen for a single CaLV and other normal Cape operations will be interesting enough. That'll be considerably more cryogen to supply than Saturn V or Shuttle operations ever called for; lots of tank trucks or perhaps a new hydrogen facility constructed for the purpose? There's been an oxygen plant in nearby Mims since Apollo days.D-IV Heavy uses a lot of LH2, so it shouldn't be an issue. The LH2 comes from Louisana
bad_astra - 28/5/2006 7:51 PMIn liu of qualifying a 5 segment srb, would resurrecting the idea of the side-by-side stack proposed earlier make more sense now for a clv updated to compensate for lack of ssme's?Rather then the side-mounted shuttle-c looking thing, the idea would be as such: Two 4 seg srbs with Shuttle ET with j2-x at the center, with the CEV stack atop it. Lots of wiggleroom for weight gain. By keeping the 4 segment solids for the time being, there would still be time to decide to go with a quad 4-segment srb longfellow behemoth for CaLV or continue readying the five segment srb for Ares V use. It would also allow, in the future, the chance to fall back on the 5-segment/J2-X upperstage CLV "stick" if it proved to be more economical (as it almost certainly would). As it is, this wouldn't require much in the way of pad changes and could still be developed quickly, esp with no significant changes to the current SRB's. We could have no human spaceflight lag at all.
gladiator1332 - 16/6/2006 6:38 PMQuotebad_astra - 28/5/2006 7:51 PMIn liu of qualifying a 5 segment srb, would resurrecting the idea of the side-by-side stack proposed earlier make more sense now for a clv updated to compensate for lack of ssme's?Rather then the side-mounted shuttle-c looking thing, the idea would be as such: Two 4 seg srbs with Shuttle ET with j2-x at the center, with the CEV stack atop it. Lots of wiggleroom for weight gain. By keeping the 4 segment solids for the time being, there would still be time to decide to go with a quad 4-segment srb longfellow behemoth for CaLV or continue readying the five segment srb for Ares V use. It would also allow, in the future, the chance to fall back on the 5-segment/J2-X upperstage CLV "stick" if it proved to be more economical (as it almost certainly would). As it is, this wouldn't require much in the way of pad changes and could still be developed quickly, esp with no significant changes to the current SRB's. We could have no human spaceflight lag at all.I looked into this awhile back, except I kept the 5 RS-68s. THe problem with that was you were basically building the CaLV. I like your idea, really does sound like mixing the Ariane V with the Shuttle. I did a render in paint using some CaLV images. Please note that center engine in that image is the Vulcan from the Ariane V, just pretend that it is a J-2.