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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #580 on: 11/27/2025 11:10 pm »
AI may be a short-lived phenomena.  As soon as it starts getting fed its own output, it quickly degrades to garbage

https://alwaysthehorizon.substack.com/p/urban-bugmen-and-ai-model-collapse

This is a speed bump, not a brick wall.

This is the modern equivalent of saying "64K ought to be enough for anyone." It's based on assuming a certain technological paradigm will continue forever, but that's not how it really works.

"that's not how it really works".

Do, indeed, tell us how it works, how one avoids the AI feedback loop that will generate garbage in the long run, which numerous experiments demonstrate.
Simply scaling data size has reached diminishing returns. The innovation in the next 18 months will be algorithms, not "throw more [synthetic] data at it."
There are several additional possibilities. It's trendy to mention quantum computing, but some ancient techniques like using analog circuits may also apply.

Going beyond LLMs, we may get back to actually trying to model the real world, perhaps with tighter integration with the LLMs.

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #581 on: 11/28/2025 08:56 am »
I’m guessing it will be a long time before this effects aerospace & space being as people working in these sectors of the economy would I imagine be generally highly skilled.

MIT's new 'Iceberg Index' study claims AI already has the 'cognitive and administrative' capability to replace 11.7% of the US workforce

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/mits-new-iceberg-index-study-claims-ai-already-has-the-cognitive-and-administrative-capability-to-replace-11-7-percent-of-the-us-workforce/

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #582 on: 12/19/2025 09:36 pm »
https://twitter.com/leap_71/status/1989725508855287907

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Not designed by aliens. Designed by "the first AI that builds machines" as the press has called Noyron, our Large Computational Engineering Model. This hypersonic precooler we produced with @FarsoonAM uses a fractal folding algorithm to chill down superheated air.

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Ai engineered precooler. This is one thing i like about Ai being able to design new ways to do things and since it's computer based can likely do all its own flow path analysis and model simulations for total efficiency or material weight without compromising the structure. Maximising form and function.

So it isn't actually AI involved here, but rather some algorithmic design process that builds it from scratch based on physics rules:


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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #583 on: 12/21/2025 09:09 pm »
Installed claude code this last week.

A coding task that would nominally take a day or two took an hour - worked on third attempt (the only  real problem was due to something neither I nor the AI anticipated).  This is me using the tool for the first time and understanding nothing about its gotchas.

It was good code.  I had some nits about the coding style that were easily addressed.

Watching it think is like your listening to your inner dialog when working out a problem.  It even made a coding mistake I had made sometime in the past and fixed it in front of my eyes with no intervention.

In 2025, AI got an inner dialog.  This is an world-changing breakthrough.  Larger models were showing asymptotic results. This is not an asymptotic result, this is a step function improvement.

It'll get better once the speed of thinking improves and the cost comes down, because it'll be able to do more rounds of inner dialog.  (There will probably be an asymptote to that too).

Probably should anticipate more step functions coming down the road.

TL;DR my coding productivity went overnight from 1.5x (AI "suggestions" and small amounts of code creation) to 4x productivity improvement.

I've been trying to get AI to improve the algorithm for the multi-body trajectory problem particularly in cases where the hyperbolic orbits to planets break the existing pork-chop methods.   So far that has been a failure, the AI didn't have enough real-world examples to get it right

  If i get a chance during the holidays I'll try to get it to tackle this problem again (I'm trying to see if polar coordinates makes the problem simpler/faster/easier to understand).   I suspect the introspective AI is going to allow me to make more progress more quickly.


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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #584 on: 12/22/2025 12:28 am »
Installed claude code this last week.

A coding task that would nominally take a day or two took an hour - worked on third attempt (the only  real problem was due to something neither I nor the AI anticipated).  This is me using the tool for the first time and understanding nothing about its gotchas.

It was good code.  I had some nits about the coding style that were easily addressed.

Watching it think is like your listening to your inner dialog when working out a problem.  It even made a coding mistake I had made sometime in the past and fixed it in front of my eyes with no intervention.

In 2025, AI got an inner dialog.  This is an world-changing breakthrough.  Larger models were showing asymptotic results. This is not an asymptotic result, this is a step function improvement.

It'll get better once the speed of thinking improves and the cost comes down, because it'll be able to do more rounds of inner dialog.  (There will probably be an asymptote to that too).

Probably should anticipate more step functions coming down the road.

TL;DR my coding productivity went overnight from 1.5x (AI "suggestions" and small amounts of code creation) to 4x productivity improvement.

I've been trying to get AI to improve the algorithm for the multi-body trajectory problem particularly in cases where the hyperbolic orbits to planets break the existing pork-chop methods.   So far that has been a failure, the AI didn't have enough real-world examples to get it right

  If i get a chance during the holidays I'll try to get it to tackle this problem again (I'm trying to see if polar coordinates makes the problem simpler/faster/easier to understand).   I suspect the introspective AI is going to allow me to make more progress more quickly.

Why did you go with Anthropic's Claude in particular?

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #585 on: 12/22/2025 04:06 am »
Installed claude code this last week.

A coding task that would nominally take a day or two took an hour - worked on third attempt (the only  real problem was due to something neither I nor the AI anticipated).  This is me using the tool for the first time and understanding nothing about its gotchas.

It was good code.  I had some nits about the coding style that were easily addressed.

Watching it think is like your listening to your inner dialog when working out a problem.  It even made a coding mistake I had made sometime in the past and fixed it in front of my eyes with no intervention.

In 2025, AI got an inner dialog.  This is an world-changing breakthrough.  Larger models were showing asymptotic results. This is not an asymptotic result, this is a step function improvement.

It'll get better once the speed of thinking improves and the cost comes down, because it'll be able to do more rounds of inner dialog.  (There will probably be an asymptote to that too).

Probably should anticipate more step functions coming down the road.

TL;DR my coding productivity went overnight from 1.5x (AI "suggestions" and small amounts of code creation) to 4x productivity improvement.

I've been trying to get AI to improve the algorithm for the multi-body trajectory problem particularly in cases where the hyperbolic orbits to planets break the existing pork-chop methods.   So far that has been a failure, the AI didn't have enough real-world examples to get it right

  If i get a chance during the holidays I'll try to get it to tackle this problem again (I'm trying to see if polar coordinates makes the problem simpler/faster/easier to understand).   I suspect the introspective AI is going to allow me to make more progress more quickly.

Why did you go with Anthropic's Claude in particular?

one reason is talking to a friend who works at an AI centric company.  So personal recommendation.

The other is I develop on Linux and it integrates completely at the CLI. I just tell it "hey look at this code that does something close to what I want to do.  Now make it do this other thing, cloning the code to another directory".    It not only did all that, it cleaned up some of my messes I'd left behind.

On different chunk of code, I had it review some Rust code.  It found only one logic bug, but it did help me clean up some messes, and I changed all my logging from ad-hoc to a standard format, making almost no errors along the way.   Never got a compiler error.  Never got a run time error other than one formatting choice for un-parsed JSON I wasn't happy with (easy fix).

Early in 2024 in the same code base the AI was emitting stuff wouldn't compile all the time.  Claude Code has yet to make that kind of error in several thousand lines of code changed/generated.

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #586 on: 12/22/2025 04:11 am »
Yeah, Claude is pretty incredible. I haven't used it, but in terms of what length of tasks it can handle (at 50% success rate), it's a massive leap above everyone else. https://x.com/emollick/status/2002208335991337467?s=20
(Really makes me want to try it...)
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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #587 on: 12/22/2025 04:35 am »



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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #588 on: 12/22/2025 04:40 am »
Yeah, Claude is pretty incredible. I haven't used it, but in terms of what length of tasks it can handle (at 50% success rate), it's a massive leap above everyone else. https://x.com/emollick/status/2002208335991337467?s=20
(Really makes me want to try it...)

Just to be clear, I'm referring to the *agent* version of Claude Opus 4.5, which is called `Claude Code`.

no more copy and paste from a chat window.   High level requirements and some details in, code out.

I have used Claude-Opus 4.5 using the chatbot version and it is definitely better than GPT 5.x.

But the agent is a whole other level of productivity improvement.

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #589 on: 12/22/2025 05:56 am »
Yeah, Claude is pretty incredible. I haven't used it, but in terms of what length of tasks it can handle (at 50% success rate), it's a massive leap above everyone else. https://x.com/emollick/status/2002208335991337467?s=20
(Really makes me want to try it...)

Just to be clear, I'm referring to the *agent* version of Claude Opus 4.5, which is called `Claude Code`.

no more copy and paste from a chat window.   High level requirements and some details in, code out.

I have used Claude-Opus 4.5 using the chatbot version and it is definitely better than GPT 5.x.

But the agent is a whole other level of productivity improvement.

aaand that was fast.  about 2 1 (check the post timestamp) hours of work and I got a polar version of a lambert solver (simplified).  Here's some results.

I note that the AI is creepy and refers to it as "our" solver.  Heh.

This is for a Mars transit. The public porkchop plot solvers can't handle hyperbolic trajectories very well and can't solve for deltaV allocation to limit the aerobrake interface entry to 7.5km/sec.  This one can.



| Budget    | Transit  | Departure | Braking  | Arrival (pre-brake) |
  |-----------|----------|-----------|----------|---------------------|
  | 3.6 km/s  | 205 days | 3.6 km/s  | 0        | 4.0 km/s            |
  | 4.0 km/s  | 148 days | 4.0 km/s  | 0        | 7.5 km/s            |
  | 6.0 km/s  | 130 days | 4.3 km/s  | 1.7 km/s | 9.2 km/s            |
  | 11.0 km/s | 105 days | 5.1 km/s  | 5.5 km/s | 13.0 km/s           |


Comparison to off the shelf solver

  | TOF      | Our Solver | Lambert (Izzo 2015) | Error |
  |----------|------------|---------------------|-------|
  | 257 days | 2.80 km/s  | 2.96 km/s           | 5.5%  |
  | 205 days | 3.06 km/s  | 3.34 km/s           | 8.5%  |
  | 146 days | 4.30 km/s  | 4.65 km/s           | 7.5%  |
  | 107 days | 6.55 km/s  | 6.95 km/s           | 5.8%  |
  | 82 days  | 9.88 km/s  | 9.67 km/s           | 2.2%  |
  | 66 days  | 13.95 km/s | 12.78 km/s          | 9.1%  |




Performance Comparison:

  | Solver              | Time/call | Calls/sec | Speedup     |
  |---------------------|-----------|-----------|-------------|
  | Our solver          | 0.026 ms  | 37,927    | 3.1x faster |
  | Lambert (Izzo 2015) | 0.081 ms  | 12,353    | baseline    |

  Pork Chop Plot (100x100 grid):

  | Approach               | Time   |
  |------------------------|--------|
  | Our solver             | 0.26 s |
  | Lambert (single phase) | 0.81 s |
  | Lambert (phase search) | 39.9 s |


  Why we're faster:
  - Our solver: analytical Kepler equation + conservation laws, no iteration
  - Lambert: iterative algorithm to find the orbit connecting two points

  The catch: Lambert gives you exact velocity vectors for specific positions. Our solver gives you the transfer characteristics for optimal departure geometry. Different problems, but for "how long to Mars with X delta-V" questions, ours is faster and sufficient.
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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #590 on: 01/02/2026 08:56 am »
Will AI Ever Be Conscious?


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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #591 on: 01/04/2026 04:56 pm »
Will AI Ever Be Conscious?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VAFEmFSMfTg

But the real question is, is AI flooby??

Since we don't have a precise definition of either word, both questions are equally meaningful.  ???

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #592 on: 01/07/2026 11:31 am »
AI helps robot fly autonomously inside the International Space Station

https://scienceclock.com/first-autonomous-ai-robot-flight-iss/

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